I have seen from several members posts that there is a good game(s) called Larry. I am interested in playing this game so if anyone can help me with:
1.Some information on the story,
2.If its AGS or non-AGS or,
3.Where I can find it, would be most grateful.
Cheers ;D
1. A middle aged man called Larry Laffer wants to lay as many women as he can. That's the story. Of all 7(?) games. :)
2. Non-AGS, made by Sierra.
3. The Leisure Suit Larry Games are all commercial. So you might want to search ebay for them. ;)
An overview can be found here (http://www.sierraplanet.com/~ugarte/LSL/LSL.htm).
Also there are some famous AGS games in a series called "Larry Vales". These can probably be found on the games download page. As for the Larry games by sierra, I'm sorry that you're not familiar with them, as they are timeless classics. This is not a Warez forum though, so I don't think you'll get any advice on where to download them. The latest game in the Larry series is out now on PC, Ps2 and Xbox (i think), but I hear that in the new game they abandoned the adventure genre and made it more of an action/click on time game. If I remember correctly there was a fanmade point and click version of Larry 2 (the original game used a text parser) made with AGS that you can probably find in the download pages.
Quote from: khrismuc on Wed 22/12/2004 23:59:43
3. The Leisure Suit Larry Games are all commercial. So you might want to search ebay for them. ;)
But hey, Redrum did make a point&click version of LSL2 with AGS, right? ;)
Larrieh Vaulehs!
http://www.phil-reed.com/games.html
you know, contrary to popular belief, search engines, and indeed ebay, work better than asking on these forums, funny that...
OK thanks guys, ill have a smooch around the web and on the AGS Games Showcase Section and try to find it. If and when I do Ill tell you how to find it (for your own personal means or if someone else sks you then you at least know where it is)
Cheers ;D
Skip the AGS Showcase, you can download Larry 2 point'n'click here (http://www.freewebs.com/skimbleshanks/). And you won't find any of Sierra's Larry games there (of course).
Just to make it clear: All Sierra games were/are commercial, so the only legal way of obtaining them is to buy them. That's why I mentioned ebay.
What about abandonia?
I was going to mention them, but figured that I don't think that these forums endorse abandonware...
And contrary to belief, Abandonia is NOT a warez site.
Does Abandonia have commercial software that's copyright to respective owners?
Yes?
Then... IT'S A WAREZ SITE!
Just to make things clearer: Just because it's abandonware, doesn't mean it's not warez.
Actually it doesn't. And don't count DOTT or the MI games. The links for those aren't to a download but to the buying site. >:(
But the downloads work for some of the Sierra games (and lots of other games), right? It IS a warez site.
Abandoned wares, most of the time, is just an alternative name for warez, it just makes the people who download them feel better. That a company didn't charge someone for downloading its commercial products doesn't mean it's legal (it's just probably they don't want to care anymore).
Only products that are officially announced abandoned (or had past its life period due to some laws in your place, or the owner of the rights no longer exists) can be considered really free and legal to download.
Adding to what Gilbert said...
http://www.insidemacgames.com/news/story.php?ArticleID=1668
My favourite part in the article is the part that proves you wrong, Fawfulhasfury. Especially lines like, "Despite the newness of the concept, abandonware is as illegal as warez" and "In late 1997 the IDSA and the Software SPA sent cease-and-desist letters to a number of the nascent abandonware sites".
Are you still 100% sure Abandonia isn't a warez site? If so, what is your rationale? And did you divise this rationale while riding a magical unicorn headed for the lost city of Atlantis?
Well on a second look the site did contain some Lucasfilm adventure games to downlod too, like Indy3 and loom for example.
I was under the impression that abandonia had some sort of deal with Sierra, of something. Besides, it IS the ONLY site to feature virtually ALL of sierra's earlier games.
QuoteI was under the impression that abandonia had some sort of deal with Sierra, of something.
Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me: allow Abandonia (and no other website) to distribute old Sierra games for free in exchange for nothing.
There are other sites that host old Sierra games, you know. I just can't mention them here cause, y'know, the whole warez thing.
I musta read something somewhere and mis-interpreted it. It only stuck because, as you say, no other site is distributing them.
Quote from: Rui "Puss in Boots" Pires on Wed 29/12/2004 12:32:40
It only stuck because, as you say, no other site is distributing them.
Quote from: DGMacphee on Wed 29/12/2004 12:14:08
There are other sites that host old Sierra games, you know. I just can't mention them here cause, y'know, the whole warez thing.
Heh. Talk about sticking my foot in my mouth - twice in a row.
One more thing no one's mentioned yet but which should be if DeathWish is that much a newcomer to Larry - don't waste time looking for Larry 4, and don't waste time getting Larry 8. Larry 4 was never made, and Larry 8 seems to be, by general consensus, not worth having (at least not by LSL standards) (not that I've played it myself, note).
Quote from: Gilbot V7000a on Wed 29/12/2004 01:34:34
Abandoned wares, most of the time, is just an alternative name for warez, it just makes the people who download them feel better. That a company didn't charge someone for downloading its commercial products doesn't mean it's legal (it's just probably they don't want to care anymore).
Only products that are officially announced abandoned (or had past its life period due to some laws in your place, or the owner of the rights no longer exists) can be considered really free and legal to download.
Abandonware is
not the same thing as warez. I think it's natural to download a game if it's the
only way to possibly get it. Abandonware is supposed to be a term for software that is no longer availiable through purchase. I have too noticed that some warez sites have begun using the term "abandonware" along with "warez" to get more search engine hits, but that's the internet for you. Serious abandonware sites like the underdogs (http://www.the-underdogs.org) take down their downloads as soon as a game is back in production since there's no more need for it, and I think they have a great policy behind what they do as well. The underdogs don't have any of the Larry games, though.
Quote from: DGMacphee on Wed 29/12/2004 03:28:27
And did you divise this rationale while riding a magical unicorn headed for the lost city of Atlantis?
Ouch!! ;D
Thanks and I was just following some rumours from school about an AGS porn game and I thought it might have been the Larry games. I only thought this because i saw a game in the shops called Leisure Suit Larry. It was an 18 and it had uncensored on it.
Quote from: kjetting on Thu 30/12/2004 22:30:18
Abandonware is not the same thing as warez. I think it's natural to download a game if it's the only way to possibly get it.
Quote from: DGMacphee on Wed 29/12/2004 03:28:27
http://www.insidemacgames.com/news/story.php?ArticleID=1668
And just to make things totally, absolutely, 100% clear...
ABANDONWARE IS JUST AS ILLEGAL AS WAREZ, YOU THIEVING BASTARDS! STOP RATIONALISING YOUR PETTY CRIMES!People like you are the reason why I once found a destitute Ron Gilbert smacked-out of his mind in a back-alley in Soho as he offered me a blowjob for a dollar.
But.....It's still okay to download movies and music for free of the internet right?....
Hi there.
1. Abandonware IS illegal, we have never said that it was legal.
Then why on earth are we distributing these games?
To understand why there is a lot of abandonware sites out there, you need to understand this fact; All games are still protected by their copy-rights, no matter if the game in question is Alley Cat or Doom 3! The difference is that Alley Cat is no longer sold, or supported in any way. By placing that game available for download we are not harming anyone - and thus the law looks through it.
(It is kinda like listening to a CD-player in public, or borrow a friend a CD or a movie. Both are illegal in terms of copy-rights. Listening to a CD in public (without head-phones) is considered public broadcasting - something only radios are permitted to do. And borrowing something to a friend is distribution - if your friends want to see a movie or listen to a record or play a game, he MUST (according to the laws) BUY IT!)
The above scenarios are both illegal by law, but are not punished as no-one are hurt. The same goes for abandonware. In fact it is worse to borrow out CD's and such, than it is to give out abandonware. This is because the CD's are still sold, so you are actually harming sales. ESPECIALLY since I know that a lot of this borrowed stuff gets copied by the borrower, so that he or she gets a completely new CD without paying for it. This harms the industry.
But you still haven't answered my question... Why are you doing it when it is illegal?
We do it because we love these old games, and because we don't want to see them disappear for good. There is nothing more to it. None of us gets paid for this. The little income we get from ad-clicks are used to pay the server costs. You can in a way say that we are a museum dedicated to preserve artifacts from a forgotten past, because in many aspects that is exactly what we do.
When all this is said, we have an obligation towards the producers and copyright-holders; if anyone involved in the game-making tells us to remove the game - we will. This has happened in the past, and it will happen in the future as well. We have nothing but respect for these people.
One of the main reasons why abandonware sites gets shut down, is because the people involved refuse to remove games on the request of the producers.
The next scenario may seem a bit far-fetched, but it portraits what happens in the above statement; You are about to borrow your Robbie Williams CD to your best friend, when suddenly Robbie himself comes round the corner. He sees that you are distributing one of his CD's. If he don't care and walks by, then everything is fine. If he tells you not to give out his CD, then you MUST comply to his wish. He is the copyright-holder, and he has the power to take you to the court if you don't respect his wishes.
2. There are actually sites out there with a special permit to offer Sierra's games for download.
One of these is www.spacequest.net. Franz have (believe it or not) WRITTEN permission to offer all Space Quest games and manuals for free download. When it comes to the games on our site; Larry, Space Quest, Kings Quest and Police Quest was placed up by me, and I made sure that I got permission to do this before I added them. (The only thing I did wrong at the time, was that I took the manuals from the above mentioned site and placed them on our site. Franz pointed this out to us, and we removed all the Space Quest manuals at once. Afterwards I wrote to him explaining my error, and we agreed to link to eachother's sites).
3. Abandonware is just as illegal as warez, correct. However warez harms the gaming industry, whereas abandonware don't harm anyone.
There are sites that offer Doom 3 for free download. For every copy that is downloaded, a copy in the store remains unsold. To compensate for this loss of income, the producers have to increase the price of their product. The only thing warez accomplishes is creating absurd prices for games - while at the same time turn game-companies into angry beasts. These companies then goes out and tries to kill the warez sites, but have a hard time with it. (Warez sites are well protected, and they are not easy to find as they usually don't offer many titles. Abandonware sites are VERY easy to find, since they are not trying to hide and offer several hundred games for download). Very often these companies blows out their steam over abandonware sites...
I hope this answered some, if not all, of your questions.
Abandonware IS illegal.
Warez IS illegal.
But there is still a great line dividing the two.
Happy new year!
-Tom Henrik
Thanks. That's just about what I was trying to say. I'd also like to point out that neither I nor anyone else have described abandonare as "legal".
Quote from: Tom Henrik on Fri 31/12/2004 13:40:28
(It is kinda like listening to a CD-player in public, or borrow a friend a CD or a movie. Both are illegal in terms of copy-rights. Listening to a CD in public (without head-phones) is considered public broadcasting - something only radios are permitted to do. And borrowing something to a friend is distribution - if your friends want to see a movie or listen to a record or play a game, he MUST (according to the laws) BUY IT!)
I'm not entirely surprised to see that your beliefs about copyright law are completely inaccurate.
Loaning a CD to a friend is not illegal. As long as it's not being copied, the CD can be transfered around as many times as you like. How do you think libraries can have a CD section?
You say that abandonware is not hurting anyone. However, a company might have good business reasons for not allowing an old game of theirs to be distributed. For instance, they might want to release a version on (say) a mobile phone in the future, and therefore not want people to have played it for a long time. Or they might reason that it competes with other games they're selling. Or they might believe that it hurts their brand name (because of its nature or its quality). Or they might feel that allowing people to get one game for free makes us expect to get all games for free, and therefore encourages warez. Or they might be planning a compilation. Or have a licensing deal in the works that might be jeopardized if they're perceived to not be able to control their properties.
There are a hundred ways in which abandonware can hurt the copyright owners. Pretending anything else is lying to yourself.
Thank you, Tom Henrik. ;D
If the company does such a thing, snarky, the game will be removed at once.-
Tom, although your intentions of preserving old software is honourable, I still find that many people use the term abandonware to justify doing something that is technically illegal. Why justify it? Why pussy-foot around? A certain piece of software not supported anymore? Big whoop! Downloading it is still illegal. And no amount of rationalisation (from "It's not supported" to "It's not harming anyone") doesn't change that. I think people should grow some balls and say, "Hey, we're practically stealing!" instead of hiding behind words like 'abandonware'.
Just my two and a half cents.
Well, take your lousy cents. :P
Your mother costs two and half cents! :P :P
hahaha...I wonder what would happen if they actually put up a message like that in abandonware sites. Just before someone could click to download, they would have to agree to terms that said:
Quote from: DGMacphee on Fri 31/12/2004 18:22:06
I think people should grow some balls and say, "Hey, we're practically stealing!" instead of hiding behind words like 'abandonware'.
Quote from: Fawfulhasfury on Fri 31/12/2004 18:17:34
If the company does such a thing, snarky, the game will be removed at once.-
Dude, Vivendi isn't going to come out and say "We don't want people to distribute the old Larry games because it shows off how bad the new one is". However, if that's the case then you
are hurting the copyright holders.
Yeah, in most cases the companies probably don't care. However, abandonware is not in general a victimless crime.
I still download old games that I can't buy. If the company won't sell it to me, I frankly don't care if I'm hurting their business strategy a tiny bit. But I know that it's not legal, and I don't pretend that it should be.
The owner and admins of the site occasionally check on the ABWness of the games. But anyway. Enough chat about this.
I must say, i think abondonware is good idea, those old games cannot be bought anywere and as so many of them are good i think they should be avalible for anyone who wants it,.. i support that kind of site
Support it as you like... as long as you know it's illegal. ::) Me, I also like abandonware sites, but I've stopped kidding myself. I'm doing something illegal whenever I download something "abandonware". Ethically it's probably right, because of yadda-yadda-yadda-already-discussed, but it's legally wrong.
I buy games because I want to support the people who create those games. Besides, then you get the box, the manual, and all that cool tangible stuff.
Look up the game on google, and I guarantee you sooner or later you'll find a download link, be it warez or abandonware.
Besides, those really old games can be bought for only a matter of a few dollars these days.
Smoking pot is totally fun, and it doesn't hurt anybody but me. And maybe the guy who works at McDonalds when I visit. Therefore, not illegal. I'm not a drug-user. I only smoke pot.
Bt
[THIS MESSAGE WAS BROUGH TO YOU BY NORML. This is in no way an endoresment of Marijuana in any concievable manner]
QuoteBesides, those really old games can be bought for only a matter of a few dollars these days.
For the most part, unless you're buying these old games from the company itself, then those few dollars don't really support the company who produced them. That is, if it's really abandware.
You could argue that you're supporting the electronic boutique's and whatnot, but those guys make enough money as it is.
I'm all for abandware, illegal or otherwise!
-MillsJROSS