Has anyone ever paid for a commercial AGS game??

[Helm]

Also, ninjas, I think it comes down to something like this: because you deal in and understand art, you put emphasis on 'good' art because you require it personally, whereas music seems is not such a focus. You're projecting your own experience to reality though, because just as you untrained in music find most to be 'good enough samey generic techno' most people find boring basic 3d and omg lensflare to be good enough. And people find generic fantasy writing in games good enough. God, there's people who think Final Fantasy 7 has THE BEST STORY EVER WRITTEN, and for anyone who has ever read something other that the back of shampoo bottles, it's very clear that it's one big melodramatic cliche. And people find generic fps shootemup gameplay enough, strangely. So it's not about the graphics being (more than somewhat) upfront when it comes to quality, it's just that YOU understand good graphics more than the average consumer.

To illustrate how much the average consumer understands in a roundabout way, I believe for example that Flashback is one of the most beautiful games ever made. And I've read reviews where people go either 'the graphics are ok, they do their job' or even 'the main character is nicely animated, but he doesn't have enough colour'. Aesthetic and art direction go right over their heads. The cohesive style goes over their head. The technical proficiency it took goes over their heads.  Just as good electronic music versus bad electronic music goes right over some other people's heads.

[Kinoko]

Just because someone says "all [blah] is [blah]" doesn't mean they've heard/seen it all... people say that all the time. It doesn't mean they're necessarilly stupid either, they're just exagerrating.

My point, really, was that although I personally don't like people making statements like that when it's clear they haven't explored something properly, I also hate seeing people who are experts on said subject get angry because a lamen doesn't understand the intricasies of the genre. I don't know shit about techno and I don't -want- to understand the differences between all the different kind of music.

[InCreator]

I don't know shit about techno and I don't -want- to understand the differences between all the different kind of music.

This is acceptable.
If you can also avoid "all techno is [blah]" statements, world also accepts.

For example, I picked techno+ music for tempo. I just can't stay listening anything under 120 bpm (of course, there's exceptions) or, I hate vocals (main motto: the less singing, the better) and I get totally unstable and aggressive towards music playing equipment (radio, computer) if I have to listen to some rock-love-songs. Like Bryan Adams, Bon Jovi, etc. Or songs where grown up men sing in female voice (see above and add boy bands).
There's "best ROCK song ever" popular thread in this forum. It seems that majority of members dig metal. I wouldn't click the link even if paid for.

I could say that it's crap and gay (no minority discuss here, it's just typical uber-insulting-rating-to-something for heterosexual men).
I *do* think so, actually.

But I won't go out yelling it.

So, be ignorant but be quiet.

[ManicMatt]

Experimental Industrial Vocal Techno with elements of PunkMetal? Or other way around?


Hehe, I don't know. Your songs lack high sounds (beepy sounds) to go under any trance or techno subgenre and the beats go somewhere towards Jungle/Drum'n'Bass.

As many say, the genres usually collide and mix so there's really no strict rules what is what. Making genres is just putting similar tracks together, by bpm and amount of melody. And people don't listen to genres, they just usually scope for "right stuff". For me, "right stuff" is usually Progressive/Anthem/Epic (by this weird guide) trance tracks and lot's of different house. Other stuff is... too hardcore.

But I guess it's quite safe to call it Rave. Sounds like The Prodigy before they released any records and got super famous.

Listening at some tracks, I don't think that you developed an attachment to one genre yet.

Thanks for listening! Actually, this pleases me that you can't put a label on me! Maybe my music isn't attached to one genre because i listen to and can't help but be inspired by so many different styles of music? (Mostly with singing though)

A friend had came up with the term "gloomcore" for my music but now I see from that link you printed  that the gloomcore label has already been taken!

I'm not into dance related music myself (Unless Roni Size, Kosheen, and EBM count) but at least we both agree that boy bands suck. I hope the same applies to girl bands too. *Shudders*

Also, any fools that don't write their own lyrics. (For example a gay bloke singing he loves a girl, DO YOU KNOW WILL YOUNG EH?? And those boy-bands saying how they love this girl. What? All of them? All five members love the same girl?)

[simulacra]

One game I bought mainly for the soundtrack was Silent Hill 2 which has one of the best soundtracks ever. Though I found the game a bit repetitative, the soundtrack actually saved a rather dull gameplay.

The Silent Hill series was a great inspiration for me when making The Zone and I actually spent more time on music and sound than on graphics (excluding video footage). I realised that this was sort of dangerous, because of gamer fixation with graphics, but in retrospect I think it was a good choice be cause it added very much to the emotional aspects of the project.

I wanted some parts to have percussion and have a trashy electro sound - very much like the Fight Club soundtrack only much more twisted. (Some of these attempts can be heard in the demo of The Zone, especially in the intro, the air raid shelter and under the bridge.) These ambitions proved to the hardest to achieve. Looping samples is very seductive, since you lots of music very fast though loops get boring very quickly. I think it turned quite all right, but percussion scares the hell out of me.

(And you're welcome to play "Pick the genre" on my music as well) 

[Ninjas]

Helm,

I'm really not talking about myself (and my musical tastes are as refined as anyone I have met including pro musicians). My point really is about the views of game journalists.

[Helm]

Ninjas: okay.


Kinoko:

Just because someone says "all [blah] is [blah]" doesn't mean they've heard/seen it all... people say that all the time. It doesn't mean they're necessarilly stupid either, they're just exagerrating.

Then they should stop exagerrating. Isn't that a better solution that other people putting up with loud ignorance?

My point, really, was that although I personally don't like people making statements like that when it's clear they haven't explored something properly, I also hate seeing people who are experts on said subject get angry because a lamen doesn't understand the intricasies of the genre. I don't know shit about techno and I don't -want- to understand the differences between all the different kind of music.

Then don't discuss techno. The layman can stick to what he likes and not loudly condemn what he doesn't get in sweeping generalizations.

It's not that I'm going to cry when someone says something ignorant. But I just think it's going to the other extreme to 'learn to tolerate' ignorance just because it's widespread. I simply think you are wrong on this.

[Nikolas]

After having written two pages of post (the usuall), I deleted everything.

I don't see any argument here...

Any music can be easy to write. Good music is difficult to write. Any music in the end can sell, with extremly good managment and advertising. Good music, might not actually... Repeatition is not always easy to do, btw.

[Pumaman]

Then they should stop exagerrating. Isn't that a better solution that other people putting up with loud ignorance?

Ignorance is fun... the world would be a dull place if everyone thought before they spoke

[Kinoko]

Well said.

I listen to techno sometimes, but I'll say "Pff, techno sucks" if I feel like it. My favourite bands are Queen, Kiss and David Bowie but if someone goes "Pff, Kiss blow" or "Queen and David Bowie, man, those guys suck", I might sent a witty quip their way or insult them casually, but I don't care enough to want to educate them on why they don't get the music. Or, more in line with what we're talking about, someone might say "Pff, I hate rock music". Now, I know very well that's saying you hate about a hundred genres of completely different music right there, and I know that person can't possibly have listened to it all.

People say that stuff all the time. I think as long as they aren't saying it in a really serious way that's actually gonna have some effect, people should be allowed to say things like that without being labelled as 'ignorant' (unless, they're being labelled so in a jokey way).

[Revan]

I personaaly rhink the best way to 'make money' if u where into that (I just enjoy makin the games) then you could release a demo game to get interest, and then a paid for full game...