If and when I get better with this software...
I noticed the ratings system concerning language, nudity/sex, and violence for these games.
For my games... the nudity in them (if any) will be undetailed tasteful nudity (UTN for short). As they say in Monty Python, "no naughty bits". It'll be no worse than, say, Princess Sally (from Sonic) minus vest and boots. Or with humans, no worse than mannequins without clothes. That's as far as I go with nudity.
If there are any sexual scenes in my games (if and when I get better with AGS), they will only be between a husband/wife pair, and ONLY under such circumstances (heterosexuality is a given). But this too would be UTN.
I just want to say this up front, so others can know that at least I have SOME restraint in the material in my ideas.
I don't think you'll be judged on what you make no matter what it is.
Quote from: DBoyWheeler on Thu 23/06/2011 01:12:25
If there are any sexual scenes in my games (if and when I get better with AGS), they will only be between a husband/wife pair, and ONLY under such circumstances (heterosexuality is a given). But this too would be UTN.
I just want to say this up front, so others can know that at least I have SOME restraint in the material in my ideas.
Agree with Domithan that no-one should be at all offended (and anyone who would can choose to heed a 'mild nudity' warning).
As a side note, don't you think it's a little homophobic to suggest that 'UTS' between effectively two Ken (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_(Barbie)) dolls is somehow less acceptable than 'UTS' when one of them is a Barbie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbie)? The keyword is
tasteful, and if you adhere to that you should pretty much be in the clear either way.
After all, the puppet sex scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvdlvNdVI-I) in Team America has a man and a woman with no genitalia yet it's still [comically] graphic and full-frontal. ;D
1. Who the hell is Princess Sally and where was she in the first three Sonic the Hedgehog games no wait please don't tell me.
II. What's the deal with the heteronormativity, man? You can do tasteful, artistic shagging without limiting it to consensual sex between a married man and woman in the missionary position for the purposes of reproduction.
C. When you say "with humans," are you implying that these sexual interactions will not take place between humans? If so, then that may be your limiting factor on how seriously people take it rather than the level of nudity, and I'll leave it at that.
$. Instead of utilizing Barbie anatomy, you should instead just frame the shots in such a way so the audience understands what's going on without seeing the swimsuit area while not making them wonder what the crap happened to the characters' genitals and how they can manage to swap fluids or how they go to the bathroom or stuff
101: The best Monty Python movie, Life of Brian, showed naughty bits and was better for it. Consider adding something to your game that will illicit a reaction as satisfying as "huh, I've just seen Graham Chapman's willy."
Last: You say this post is your "restraint," but in the end, you should really be able to use your own judgement in matters of taste. I mean, it is nice that want to keep it classy but judging from your post, you don't seem like you'd accidentally include hardcore, cock-filled, piss-covered, upside-down buggery without making this post to keep yourself in check. I mean it already sounds more tasteful than anything Oceanspirit Dennis has ever been in.
And Scarab... I promise I will never die.
I find depictions of people without genitals way creepier and much more lacking in taste. Just saying :P
(also it is indie games, make whatever the hell you want, basically :=)
The OP strikes me as one big "No homo bro!". The whole thing smacks of sexual repression.
Only a 'husband/wife pair'? 'heterosexuality is a given'? Why?
If you want to make a game with a big ol' pair of breasts and a cock or two for good measure then you can do so.
In fact you have my support in doing so.
I think it's fair to say that I will support your genitals however is necessary.
Quote from: Calin Leafshade on Thu 23/06/2011 08:18:00
Only a 'husband/wife pair'? 'heterosexuality is a given'? Why?
+1
From reading the replies to your post, DBoy, it looks as if the community here will show you nothing but understanding and compassion should you lose control of yourself and release something disgraceful. ;)
I'd dare to even say there'd be even more downloads with a nudity warning
SEX
Just to let you know for future reference, if I at some point make a game with swear words, I will restrict myself to moderately offensive vocabulary (MOV). If you think I'm planning to write something like Mamet or Tarantino, absolutely not! My MOV will not be any worse than, for example, a Norm MacDonald stand-up show. That's as far as I go with swearing.
And of course, only sexual/genital references and ethnic slurs, no blasphemy or excretionary terms!
So... keep that in mind.
PRON OR DIE
Hang on folks, I think I see what's happened here. DBoy's previous posts were requests for people to draw his character animations for him. I think someone did.
DBoy isn't so much nailing his moral credentials to the mast (although he's doing that as well) he's leaving instructions for creative types as to how they should work, or not work, for him.
It's good to have clear specifications when working to order! :)
IMO ... if your going to add nudity....please, please ,please do it justice :o . So when is this mannequin porn flick coming out anyway ?
As for the only husband and wife mannequin sex, I suppose your wife was looking over your shoulder when you were writing that post. :P
Sorry, but... why are you telling us this? To my knowledge you haven't yet displayed any tendency towards creating smut of any kind, so I'm having a little trouble understanding why you decided to tell us this out of the blue. That's like a man walking into a police station shouting "I am totally never going to murder anyone, guys. FYI." I mean.. yeah okay, I guess? Good on ya?
Look, just worry about getting better at AGS and making some actual games first, then worry about any controversy they might stir up ;) You couldn't possibly offend us any more than that wifebeater game did...
Quote from: hedgefield on Thu 23/06/2011 19:35:47
You couldn't possibly offend us any more than that wifebeater game did...
Meh I wasn't offended one bit. It actually made me laugh cos it was so darn flippant. Now if I was the victim of marital abuse then I still wouldn't be offended as it's just a game. Games are not reality. Games are games are games.
This is my opinion but, unless you're some celibate pacifist monk who lives in a grotto but has access to video games, it doesn't make sense to be driven to the point of actual
offense by a game.
And OP, your explanation is bordering on bizarre. The is the internet not some PEGI committee. Now I start thinking about it, what the fuck is going on?
Quote from: Atelier on Thu 23/06/2011 20:33:44
Quote from: hedgefield on Thu 23/06/2011 19:35:47
You couldn't possibly offend us any more than that wifebeater game did...
Meh I wasn't offended one bit. It actually made me laugh cos it was so darn flippant. Now if I was the victim of marital abuse then I still wouldn't be offended as it's just a game. Games are not reality. Games are games are games.
This is my opinion but, unless you're some celibate pacifist monk who lives in a grotto but has access to video games, it doesn't make sense to be driven to the point of actual offense by a game.
And OP, your explanation is bordering on bizarre. The is the internet not some PEGI committee. Now I start thinking about it, what the fuck is going on?
A fair enough statement. If and when I decide I don't like the material of any given game, I simply choose not to play it. I think it would be wrong of me to not respect the game maker's choice in making whatever he or she wants to make.
Yay for Religious Upbringingâ,,¢!
The number one choice when it comes to shoving bigotry down your children's throat without having to explain yourself.
A warning about the possibility of maybe thinking about creating a game that might contain sex?
Proactive!
Quote from: DBoyWheeler on Thu 23/06/2011 01:12:25If there are any sexual scenes in my games (if and when I get better with AGS), they will only be between a husband/wife pair, and ONLY under such circumstances (heterosexuality is a given). But this too would be UTN.
OMG, what a shocking violation of the 1930's Hays code!!! :o :o :o
Married couples should only ever be shown in separate beds!
(http://thisrecording.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/thin-man-beds.jpg)
You should really try "The Journey to Kelabra".
Quote from: GarageGothic on Fri 24/06/2011 20:13:05
(http://thisrecording.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/thin-man-beds.jpg)
That pic, however, shows us a women in bed with a dog...
and the man's probably going to watch...
he could even be handing over a condom.
Whatever you decide to do, never show naked like in “The Sinner†[“Die Sünderinâ€] (http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/sub_image.cfm?image_id=993):
(http://www.lovefilm.de/lovefilm-de/images/products/screenshots/1/32491-4-large.jpg?section=gallery&sub-section=screenshots/1/32491-4-small.jpg)
...and avoid themes like prostitution and ... but wait - we left 1951 behind, didn't we?
Ã,,hem - if you completely avoid every theme for the story, to what people may have different opinions about (i.e. politics, religion, sexuality, ...), there is not much left to make it interesting, special or worth to talk about, but if you like the people to become sleepy .... It's your decision!
In shorter: Do what you want â€" just don't overdo it in your own opinion!
... and watch the discussion about it afterwards between the people - this is half the fun of it ;)
Nudity and sex is gross. Thank you Dboywheeler for having some morals in this day and age.
:P
Quote from: Phemar on Sat 25/06/2011 21:29:22
Nudity and sex is gross. Thank you Dboywheeler for having some morals in this day and age.
Don't forget that you need to be ashamed of it as well.
Quote from: GarageGothic on Fri 24/06/2011 20:13:05
Quote from: DBoyWheeler on Thu 23/06/2011 01:12:25If there are any sexual scenes in my games (if and when I get better with AGS), they will only be between a husband/wife pair, and ONLY under such circumstances (heterosexuality is a given). But this too would be UTN.
OMG, what a shocking violation of the 1930's Hays code!!! :o :o :o
Married couples should only ever be shown in separate beds!
(http://thisrecording.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/thin-man-beds.jpg)
I find much worse the very fact that she sleeps with her make-up on.
Quote from: Dualnames on Sat 25/06/2011 22:23:40
Quote from: GarageGothic on Fri 24/06/2011 20:13:05
Quote from: DBoyWheeler on Thu 23/06/2011 01:12:25If there are any sexual scenes in my games (if and when I get better with AGS), they will only be between a husband/wife pair, and ONLY under such circumstances (heterosexuality is a given). But this too would be UTN.
OMG, what a shocking violation of the 1930's Hays code!!! :o :o :o
Married couples should only ever be shown in separate beds!
(http://thisrecording.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/thin-man-beds.jpg)
I find much worse the very fact that she sleeps with her make-up on.
I find it disturbing that she's so HOTTT. Hot. Hoot. Oh no, impure thoughts... impure... thoughts...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/EggHeadCheesyBird/img1.png)
Ah, that's better...
Hmmn..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/EggHeadCheesyBird/img2.png)
HMMMN...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/EggHeadCheesyBird/img3.png)
Oooohhh...
Oh wait! No!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/EggHeadCheesyBird/img4.png)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
Classic :D
Quote from: Dualnames on Sat 25/06/2011 22:23:40
Quote from: GarageGothic on Fri 24/06/2011 20:13:05
Quote from: DBoyWheeler on Thu 23/06/2011 01:12:25If there are any sexual scenes in my games (if and when I get better with AGS), they will only be between a husband/wife pair, and ONLY under such circumstances (heterosexuality is a given). But this too would be UTN.
OMG, what a shocking violation of the 1930's Hays code!!! :o :o :o
Married couples should only ever be shown in separate beds!
(http://thisrecording.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/thin-man-beds.jpg)
I find much worse the very fact that she sleeps with her make-up on.
Hilarius! That is the biggest problem women face today... their face in make up... on the pillow looking back at them!
::)Smart alecks...
Well, maybe in one possible idea for a game with "nudity", maybe the characters are censored "Austin Powers style". (You know what I mean, right?)
I know what you mean, DBoy.
In fact, I was going to do the same thing in my own game. And then I never finished that game.
So I would recommend worrying about your game's content once the game itself is finished.
If the game never gets done, it doesn't matter if there are any naughty bits in it.
Come back and have this discussion again once you've made your awesome game.
Quote from: DBoyWheeler...maybe the characters are censored "Austin Powers style". (You know what I mean, right?)
All the boobies come equipped with machine guns? If no, then I don't have a clue.
As Oddysseus said, in all seriousness, don't worry about this until your game is finished. Do what you want to do and then get some beta testers and see what they have to add. You may find your "nudity" is just fine, or maybe they think there's too much of it where it doesn't blend with the game itself. You never know. Just finish your damn game and find out ;)
From my adventures in game design to date,
I think that censoring yourself is bad. It's one thing if you're uncomfortable with the portrayal of sexual content: that's okay. You don't have to have it in your game then.
Otherwise, if you would include it to some degree, I don't think there's any need to censor yourself. I'm with most of the other folks here that you won't be judged for its inclusion.
Oh come on, nobody complained at the censored sex scene in Leisure Suit Larry! :=
Quote from: ProgZmax on Thu 30/06/2011 19:21:08
Oh come on, nobody complained at the censored sex scene in Leisure Suit Larry! :=
IT WAS CENSORED I MEAN COME ON!
But it was censored in a hilarious way!