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Title: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: DBoyWheeler on Tue 12/03/2013 00:32:57
I know we've done one on TMNT, but what if there were more 1980's and 1990's cartoons made into AGS-made Adventure Games?

I just thought of that while listening to the intro theme of the ol' Heathcliff animated cartoon:
[embed=425,349]<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Ml8mnc7WciA?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>[/embed]

So let's take this as an example--what if there were a Heathcliff AGS game?  Or maybe an AGS game with the Cadillac Cats (maybe Riff Raff and the trio have to rescue Cleo from some baddie).

Just something to think about for a future AGS project where a lot of us can work together on it.  ;)
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: Babar on Tue 12/03/2013 03:15:18
...There's a TMNT adventure game?

WHAT?! WHERE?! I WAAAAAAAANTS.
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: Renodox on Tue 12/03/2013 03:20:37
It's been YEARS since I've seen this show.  However, I remember one episode where the fat cat in Riff Raff's team made a giant robot out of the Junkyard trash.  He used it to drive off a gang of cats using the junkyard equipment.

As for Heathcliff, he usually had to catch mice but didn't like to do so.  His favorite activity was beating up on the dog next door.  As for game quality, I'd say that it would be best if he has to deal with stopping a burglar.  There was an episode where he was sent to a shrink and listened to everything he said which allowed a burglar to get away with stealing from the house until he came across Spike.  The burglar kicked Spike which got Heathcliff angry as he said, "No one gets to do that to Spike but me!"
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: MiteWiseacreLives! on Tue 12/03/2013 05:06:18
I don't think i appreciated how nicely drawn those cartoons really were.. BTW I want a DuckTales game, will settle for Darkwing Duck though.
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: Cyrus on Tue 12/03/2013 09:39:28
Cooooool idea :D I'd say, either Bonkers or Freakasoid.
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: Stupot on Tue 12/03/2013 10:15:33
How about Dr. Zitbag's Transylvania Pet Shop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmdLV_CmePE)? I used to love this one.  Why is children's telly so crap these days?
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: Gilbert on Tue 12/03/2013 10:26:13
When making fan games of commercial properties, be prepared that you may face copyright problems and that you may need to abandon your game anytime (or change it to something else not bases on any established properties) though.

There're numerous cases of this (many are adventure game related). For cartoon/comic properties, there was once an AGS game about a certain fat orange cat and the author received a C&D and had to put the game offline.

But of course there are "big" licenses and "small" licenses, while some copyright owners prohibit unlicensed fan works from being made, some don't even care (or even encourage the actions). That particular fat cat license is of course a big one (and the fact that he has officially licensed adventure games doesn't help), so it may still be safe to work with lesser known licenses (the duck ones someone mentioned here are certainly in the dangerous zone, quite obviously).
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: arj0n on Tue 12/03/2013 10:28:18
Quote from: Stupot+ on Tue 12/03/2013 10:15:33
Why is children's telly so crap these days?
Indeed.

Loved this one:
[imgzoom]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsvfos6hkU1r1ubfio1_500.jpg[/imgzoom]

Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: CaptainD on Tue 12/03/2013 12:18:02
An adventure game based on Ulysses 2013 would be exceptionally cool!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d3/Ulysse31-Ulysse.jpg/100px-Ulysse31-Ulysse.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/83/Ulysse31-Telemachus.jpg/100px-Ulysse31-Telemachus.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/43/Ulysse31-Themis-Noumaios.jpg/100px-Ulysse31-Themis-Noumaios.jpg)

Pixel Hunt could sing the theme song!  Nothing would stop the incredible wave of sheer awesomeness!
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: mkennedy on Tue 12/03/2013 13:35:14
That 'Fat Cat' adventure was available on underdogs for a while and I downloaded and played it. But then I ran into a timed puzzle and couldn't progress any further. Other than that the game wasn't too bad.

An adventure game based on the old Transformers cartoons would be cool, but one based on the Gobots would probably be easier to get away with. Other cartoons that could use a fan game are "Heman, Masters of the Universe" and "G.I. Joe" but they may also have the same copyright problems.

Has 'Robot Chicken' ever been issued a C&D order? Or are they able to get away with their skits under the premise of parody?
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: selmiak on Tue 12/03/2013 13:48:58
Quote from: Babar on Tue 12/03/2013 03:15:18
...There's a TMNT adventure game?

WHAT?! WHERE?! I WAAAAAAAANTS.

maybe this one? (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/game/1250/)

Captain Future would make a nice game. Or Saber Rider. But what the world really needs is a breaking Bad Adventure game!
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: DBoyWheeler on Tue 12/03/2013 14:29:40
Quote from: Renodox on Tue 12/03/2013 03:20:37
It's been YEARS since I've seen this show.  However, I remember one episode where the fat cat in Riff Raff's team made a giant robot out of the Junkyard trash.  He used it to drive off a gang of cats using the junkyard equipment.

As for Heathcliff, he usually had to catch mice but didn't like to do so.  His favorite activity was beating up on the dog next door.  As for game quality, I'd say that it would be best if he has to deal with stopping a burglar.  There was an episode where he was sent to a shrink and listened to everything he said which allowed a burglar to get away with stealing from the house until he came across Spike.  The burglar kicked Spike which got Heathcliff angry as he said, "No one gets to do that to Spike but me!"

The fat cat on Riff Raff's team is named Mongo.  Hector is the tall brown cat, and Wordsworth is the white cat with headphones who always talks in rhyme.

Well, I gotta admit, having a game with Riff Raff and friends might be a good idea too.
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: Cyrus on Wed 13/03/2013 14:34:44
Maybe the Mask or Dumb and Dumber? (like I suggested (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=33176.msg561210#msg561210) about 2 years ago) Or Sylvester & Tweety Mysteries?
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: Ghost on Wed 13/03/2013 16:13:28
Captain Future, yeah, that would be all sorts of awesome. Their canon universe was beautifully over the top, with all those weird aliens. All sorts of puzzle opportunities, too.

Ulysses 31, though, that would take the cake. SF version of the classic greek myths? Innocently cute blue-skinned alien girl *and* annoyingly cute robot sidekick? Laser gun that is ALSO A SWORD? How much *more awesome* can a game get?

I think the trick is to chose a source that's not too heavily guarded by their owners. They exist; there are fangames using copyrighted characters which are benevolently ignored by the copyright owners (I think there's even an Inspector Gadget fangame). Hannah Barbare is known to protect their stuff with a lot of force, but other material, well... we're living in internet times. I think I'd actually try to contact the current copyright holder and just *ask*.
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: Anian on Wed 13/03/2013 16:57:07
OR...you know...make something that is inspired by those stories.
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: Cyrus on Wed 13/03/2013 17:30:25
Quote from: Ghost on Wed 13/03/2013 16:13:28
I think there's even an Inspector Gadget fangame.

Hmm, now that's interesting. I only know the official adventure game (http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/inspector-gadget-mission-1-global-terror). Could you please give the link to the fangame?
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: Ghost on Wed 13/03/2013 21:08:28
If I can find that link, sure. Gimme a while, it's been ages...  :-[

And, if everything else fails, can we have a game based on THIS?
[embed=425,349]<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/qtURoWuzfpE?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>[/embed]
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: Cyrus on Thu 14/03/2013 12:59:28
There are already two games based on the Killer Tomatoes franchise, but an adventure game would rock! I'd say the same about Bonkers: something along the lines of "Toonstruck meets Blade Runner".

[embed=425,349]<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/CbqFGapihP0?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>[/embed]
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: mkennedy on Fri 15/03/2013 14:48:17
What about an adventure game based on the Smurfs? There were a few console games made.
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: Eggie on Fri 15/03/2013 21:05:41
Kids cartoons these days are crap?
Are. You. KIDDING? This is indisputably the golden age!! THEY HAVE NEVER HAD IT SO GOOD!

This is the era of kid's cartoons where epic, beautifully realised worlds and meaningful character development GET DIRECTLY BEAMED INTO THE EYEBALLS OF OUR YOUTH ON AN ASTOUNDINGLY FREQUENT BASIS
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR7x699Nr_bF2OtkH7PRBxi3rBdPOgdhV2oC6Pcp4ZCSJSKrRcE) (http://victoriamaderna.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Adventure-Time_VictoriaMaderna-200x150.jpg) (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120708015026/gravityfalls/images/thumb/f/fe/S1e5_mabel_spinning_on_globe_1.png/200px-S1e5_mabel_spinning_on_globe_1.png)

And funny, amazing visual moments that used to mean sending a shot back to Korea eighteen times until they did it right are popping up everywhere because of amazing (not that) new technology and shrinking costs!
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e232/azumonkey/class25.jpg) (http://i.cdn.turner.com/tbseurope/big/CN_UK/thumbs/EN_CP_CLPGUM0033_01.jpg) (http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/Rfabaw-KRVQ/mqdefault.jpg)

This is the era where even the crappy crappy crapcrap old cartoons from other decades are getting rebooted, retooled and recrafted with RIDICULOUS GLOOPY LASHINGS OF LOVE AND TALENT into brilliant, clever, multi-layered shows
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS7Xq3wTo3IGo7UQ1w4uiKepLvTJgvpa1cMOedJ5ykThWIV4HIdlw) (https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR7aqA0BE8hLW3-Zav9Mk3oMA-gBW_BY6w6zGstRM-eMVa6CT4E) (http://i2.listal.com/image/1779914/936full-scooby--doo!-mystery-incorporated-screenshot.jpg)

Aw, but man... When I was a kid though, man. Those creators doing stuff when I was a kid; Genndy Tartakovsky, Craig McCracken. They were the greatest, you'll never get them agai- OH WAIT YES YOU FUCKING WILL THEY NEVER WENT ANYWHERE THEY ARE STILL MAKING GREAT STUFF
(http://www.cineholics.com/reviews/Resources/hoteltransylvani.jpeg) (http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7gwjkAV1K1rxow8bo1_500.jpg) (http://www.mdcu.fr/upload/news/th/news_illustre_1329812734.jpg)
And now we've got to movies OH MY GOD

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTkdiPyBvjvTluHHr0bCNDKyxMnfZ7RMSN0D_FiQEhwtgLQA3q5) (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_W1ueYt1O3xs/S00Cb_v06QI/AAAAAAAATFc/oTzo31pS5VQ/s200/Cloudy%20with%20a%20Chance%20of%20%20Meatballs%20(5).jpg) (http://ho1.files-media.com/ud/video/imgs/1/14/40390/90eb1-200x150.jpg)
OH MY GOD LOOK AT THAT HOW DID IT GET MADE IT'S SO COOL?! Flash in the pan though, right. I mean great animated films for kids with great jokes, I mean THAT'LL never happen often with Disney dominating the-
(http://pix.qmde.de/www.quotenmeter.de/pics/paramount/features/megamind/megamind_03.jpg) (https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRhT47ixRwLmFKEPBZfZvFyp3nVwpMSFYEYoe-xh7kt0lDlPTtJ) (https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSoSlPGnd35gUgICLdK859jRnr5QqDGB5OcBcgBBGZjP_Tx8bRg)
OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!

Okay so studios are upping their game but I'm sure Disney, the big one, is just reeesssting on it's laurels like alw-
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gFOcA6o8HhA/Sz0tq0Sk_-I/AAAAAAAAAH8/YJze2LSDZOg/s200/Princess.jpg) (http://www.3dartistonline.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Wreck-It-Ralph-interview-200x150.jpg) (http://im01.coolwallpapers.org/wallpapers/32/3266/thumb/200_Tangled-tangled-16106113-1920-1078.jpg)
ARGH! OH CHRIST I'M GOING TO DIE!

Well fine kids have got it pretty good for breezy comedy and adventure movies but I'll bet there's nothing out there for them that's kinda dark and scary and
(http://c534909.r9.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Coraline.jpg) (http://c534909.r9.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Paranorman-Image-bo.jpg) (http://cdnbakmi.kaltura.com/p/695492/sp/69549200/thumbnail/entry_id/1_e7qgp4t1/width/0/height/0)
OH! OH SHIT!! OH NOOOOO!!!

I DIDN'T EVEN MENTION PIXAR! BECAUSE I DIDN'T EVEN NEED TO MENTION PIXAR!! BECAUSE I'M TIRED OF PEOPLE ACTING LIKE PIXAR IS SOME ISOLATED EXAMPLE OF INCREDIBLE ANIMATED SHIT THAT THE TINY, STICKY CHILD-PEOPLE OF THE WORLD CURRENTLY HAVE ACCESS TO!!!
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!
KIDS ANIMATION IS SO GOOD RIGHT NOW! THERE IS QUALITY POURING IN FROM ALL SIDES!
NOSTALGIA CAN SUCK MY DICK THERE WERE NEVER THIS MANY COOL CARTOONS WHEN I WAS GROWING UP THERE WAS NEVER THIS MUCH RESPECT OR APPRECIATION FOR COMMERCIAL ANIMATION I NEVER WANT THIS INCREDIBLE OUTPOURING OF CREATIVITY THE INDUSTRY HAS RIGHT NOW TO END!

Anyway. How about a Freakazoid adventure game? They parodied them on the show once! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS3Jl2Q1eFM)
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: DBoyWheeler on Fri 15/03/2013 21:51:35
@Eggie: *holds up the Sarcasm sign from Big Bang Theory, concerning some of the cartoons--though there were a few gems among the junk*
Oh, and yeah, a Freakazoid Adventure Game might be good... maybe in the style of Torin's Passage, but modernized in a way.
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: Darth Mandarb on Sat 16/03/2013 00:11:47
A few years ago I had an idea to do an adventure game on Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1c1G24GWDg).  Never got much past the idea stage though.  Always loved that cartoon when I was a kid.
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: Eggie on Sat 16/03/2013 00:51:59
Quote from: DBoyWheeler on Fri 15/03/2013 21:51:35
@Eggie: *holds up the Sarcasm sign from Big Bang Theory, concerning some of the cartoons--though there were a few gems among the junk*

Megamind's got more laughs than every season o' your Big Bang Bollocks put together shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
B)
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: Snarky on Sat 16/03/2013 01:22:41
I'm with Eggie. Although there were a few good cartoons in the 80s and 90s (Darkwing Duck, Animaniacs, early Simpsons and so on), kids have it way better these days.

Grownups too, what with shows like Archer and The Venture Bros. plus a bunch of others I hear are really good and twisted.

I do miss the Disney 2D cartoon features, though. Bob Iger said they're not coming back for the foreseeable future. Booo! All this CGI shit (Tangled, Wreck-It Ralph) just isn't the same. I'll take computer-aided drawings if necessary: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xx5d23_paperman-full-animated-short-film-vo-hd_shortfilms
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: Anian on Sat 16/03/2013 01:30:58
Quote from: Eggie on Sat 16/03/2013 00:51:59Megamind's got more laughs than every season o' your Big Bang Bollocks put together shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
B)
The series has gone bad from about 3rd season onward I agree and I've stopped watching it and for example the IT crowd did a cooler job of the subject, but still Megamind wasn't THAT good.

On the old vs new cartoons, I kind of agree. Since about middle 90s animation has been getting better and cooler, as much as it is vectorised, there's much less repeating and silly animations tricks with much more effects and even the great blend of 3d (Futurama, Simpsons, Gravity Falls, Warner DC direct to dvd movies etc. or hell even SW: Clone wars series). Characters today are in some case really developed and creative, while most of 80/90s stuff is tropes of characters and stories, either anime or western toy selling ones.
Of course there is exceptions to everything, but most of the old cartoons are held to a certain level by nostalgia, while things like Adventure time I can watch even today and still find and interesting story and a lot of dark stuff and innuendos that kids probably miss (and that older cartoons definitely don't have).

The problem with G. Tartakovsky and McCracken (and Hotel Transylvania is not really a good example of his work) is that they have become more dormant and are not such powerhouses these days even though they and WB/Spielberg/DC have brought major changes in the 90s. One thing they certainly did bring is freedom of creativity without focus on selling toys and that is great, not that everything about it was bad, but it was holding things back in some areas.

OT: all these teams fighting villains...I really don't see potential for making it an adventure game, not that it can't be done, but I think it would lose any of the charm and atmosphere the cartoons have.
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: Cyrus on Sat 16/03/2013 11:46:48
Quote from: DBoyWheeler on Fri 15/03/2013 21:51:35
Oh, and yeah, a Freakazoid Adventure Game might be good... maybe in the style of Torin's Passage, but modernized in a way.

Wow, there are already three people on this thread who want a Freakazoid game! Time to start a project?
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: Monsieur OUXX on Sat 16/03/2013 19:40:31
Quote from: CaptainD on Tue 12/03/2013 12:18:02
An adventure game based on Ulysses 2013 would be exceptionally cool!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d3/Ulysse31-Ulysse.jpg/100px-Ulysse31-Ulysse.jpg)


Neeeeeeeeeed.
PS: 2013 or 2031? :D
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: CaptainD on Sat 16/03/2013 21:02:31
Oops yeah, 2031.  But to be released in 2013?!?!?  ???
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: Cyrus on Tue 19/03/2013 10:03:02
BTW, in case anyone's still interested in Freakazoid, these could be used as loading screens:
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/8595/35263674.jpg)
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/460/57228994.jpg)

And OMG, we can finally include Frikazette!

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3422xNG3p1qb380ao1_500.png)
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: Cyrus on Mon 25/03/2013 18:29:55
Throwing in some other random suggestions:
1) Darkwing Duck (there's even a sprite sheet (http://buci01.deviantart.com/art/Darkwing-Duck-Sprites-80879457) on the Net:
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR0IgKbHGlMAI9WFgFB80wjL_8XHXFXTtcGFkmbxEtvjFSoXkJ1)
2) Freaky Stories
[embed=425,349]<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ogVgj1pevD0?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>[/embed]
3) Tom & Jerry: The Movie
[embed=425,349]<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ERKyNU1ECcU?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>[/embed]

Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens on Wed 27/03/2013 06:05:12
Ducktales?  It would be pretty fun to see an adventure game based around Scrooge McDuck.

[IMGZOOM]http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr218/ProgZmax/ducktales2_zps07801422.gif[/IMGZOOM]
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: CaptainD on Wed 27/03/2013 08:59:51
Quote from: Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens on Wed 27/03/2013 06:05:12
Ducktales?  It would be pretty fun to see an adventure game based around Scrooge McDuck.

Loads of potential for a great adventure game with DuckTales... unfortunately I think the potential for legal action against such a game is a lot higher than any of the other ones already mentioned!
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: Cyrus on Tue 10/12/2013 16:11:01
Just in case someone's still interested... A line of Frekazoid characters in 8 bit:
(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs51/f/2009/313/4/6/Freakazoid_Characters_by_UnManuel.png)

And a perfect recreation of one of the show's best moments (http://michaelleelunsford.deviantart.com/art/12DoN-Freakazoid-274926296):

(http://th01.deviantart.net/fs70/200H/i/2011/354/0/7/12don___freakazoid_by_zet-d4jomhk.png)
Title: Re: Making Adventure Games on 1980's and 1990's toons
Post by: dactylopus on Tue 10/12/2013 22:12:16
Most of these are really cartoony kiddie properties.  Not that there's anything wrong with that, a lot of these were really fun when I was a kid.

I was more of a fan of Transformers, GI Joe, Thundercats, SilverHawks, Voltron, He-Man, and other stuff like that.  There are a couple of reboots worth mentioning, like the new Thundercats and GI Joe Renegades, but most fall short.

I personally think these beat anything in this thread, including Eggie's list (except maybe Adventure Time and Burton entries).  As for Disney movies, they are able to do a lot more in a visual sense these days, but aside from that the newer ones don't compare with older stuff like Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, Snow White, Little Mermaid, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, Lion King, and a few more that fell in between.  The same goes for non-Disney works, as nothing on this list compares to Dark Crystal, Labyrinth, or Secret of NYMH, except that they look really good because of modern technology.  Tartakovsky and McCracken are great, but haven't done anything as notable as Powerpuff Girls, Samurai Jack, Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, and Dexter's Laboratory.

Admittedly, there are a lot of cool things going on now, and the tech is incredible, and I'm very happy to see that animation is a big industry these days.  But to say that what they have now is better than what was around in the 80s and 90s is a stretch.  There's just a lot more of it, and it's better looking.  Maybe it is nostalgia, but I think it's objective analysis.

But if we're focusing on the really cartoony stuff here, let's throw Inspector Gadget, Aaahh!!! Real Monsters, Rocko's Modern Life, Ren & Stimpy, Marsupilami, the Tick, and Tale Spin out there.

Sorry if I sound a bit opinionated, but I love my cartoons.