I might be a bit too soon with thish, but,
is there anything concrete on mittens 2004 yet?
is it going to be in the USA for real?
Maybe some members need to save money for an event like that :P
oh, and if anyone has a good tip for me how to fly to the USA, please tell me cause with our local airline I need to pay 900 euros, and that is too much I'm afraid ._.
maybe via londen or something?
^_^
N3tty
i'm pretty sure the only thing confirmed is that its in the USA.
i don't know whether going via London is any cheaper, but if you do, you will be able to meet up and travel with us brits going ;)
Nothing's set in concrete yet, I'm not sure if anyone has volunteered to host/organise it. I believe some of the following;
- It may be in New York
- It may be 10 days as apposed to five
- It may be teh cool
:)
m0ds
Yep, we're pretty sure it will be in the US, so long as somebody who lives there is prepared to be the organiser/co-ordinater, as m0ds was in 2002 and Andail in 2003.
It probably is a good idea to get this organised relatively early because transatlantic flights can get significantly more expensive the later you leave booking.
well as far as i know people have been asking me how mittens planning is going
here's the reasons why i should organize it:
there's an international airport less than an hour away from me Albany International Airport
there are campgrounds less than an hour away from the airport [i believe]
i live in upstate new york
i'm 20 feet tall
reasons i shouldn't
i'm lazy
And Eric is teh r0x0rs!
Yeah... Anyway, I have always wanted a live web cam from mittens. The last time I checked New York isnt really a camping area. Maybe a possiable live mittens contests broadcast? Just an idea... Ah, only 4 more years til I can go... Have fun whilst it lasts :)
If it turns out to be in New York (and most signs seem to point that way), I'd be more than willing to help out Eric with the organizing. I'm not sure I'd want to be "in charge" per se, but two heads are better than one.
Wow, I was hoping to go to Mittens, and I was hoping it was a little closer to The Netherlands, but it seems like I just can't pay the 900 euro, not now, and not in a year! So I'll just hope that next Mittens (2005... boy that seems a long time from now!), is closer to holland.. something like, United Kingdom, France, Germany, Spain... something like that. O well... I'm anyway, still a newbie... I guess it's for the best to wait another year.
we've done europe twice, bring on the aussies i say :P
evil: new york isn't a camping area?!
Adirondacks, Catskills, Sacandaga, Lake George, the scary inbred area of Corinth!
we've got tons of land and nothing to do with it! [thanks native americans! we bought most of this land off of you for the total of 36 dollars in beads!!]
ok just had a chat with the family
i need to know as best as it is humanly possible how many people would be coming
cause if it's a reasonable number I have a place we can all stay for free. it would basically be just like at andail's, cabin with running water and bathroom and kitchen and a private beach
please only say you're coming if you know you will, i need to get an accurate number none of this "Sure I'll come! If it was in Torkenslyblattvia which it isn't!!!! *sad face sad face sad face rolling eyes face*"
SURE! I'LL COME...IF ONLY IT WAS IN GRUNDISLATVIA, WHERE WE HAVE FREE NAKED LADIES AND BEER FOR ALL!1!!! :'( :'( :'( ::)
I WILL HAVE MY OWN MITTENS!!! IT WILL RULEZ YOU ALL!!!1!! 8) :-* ;D
In other words, yes, I'll be there.
Mittens 2005 has been locked into the Southern Continent since late 2001.
It's time that we can turn to Tyranny Of Distance on to others.
I shall be there to devour your planets and crush your souls.
I think Canadia has Mittens 2006 sowned up as well.
It's a complex formula, but they have the seniority to beat any Euro country for the prize bar the UK and Sweden who have each had an innings.
Then to break the monotony and the reward just about the most senior AGSer, 2007 is going to Hong Kong.
I think for a lot of the Europeans it'll be hard to say they're going with absolute certainty..
I think there's a high chance I'll be going, can't really say any more than that. Don't know which airport we travel to, it may well not be the closest to wherever mittens is so I wouldn't worry about that, we didn't mind travelling around Sweden from our remote airport, the language barrier might be a little bigger than when we went to sweden but I'm sure we'll work it out.
ah yes airport
there is Albany International Airport... just so you know... that's the best airport to shoot for cause that's like RIGHT there and I'm like RIGHT here and my camp is BOOM! right over there and it's all a nice thing with happy and glitter
eric
Is there a tentative date set?
I can´t say that I will definitely go... But I really wish. As for a London rendevouz, I did it, and I had a really nice night in Stanstead airport, playing arcade, invited with m0ds, and enjoying the nice floor of the terminal, hehe... ;D
Well, if this is going to be definitive, we could arrange some meeting, with beds and something. :)
I will be there.
MITTENS ............????
Fingerless gloves babies wear ?
2004 pairs ??
what about BOOTIES too.......?
Come on, San Francisco! Come on, San Francisco! No? Ok, come on, San Diego! Come on, San Diego! No? Damnit.
Well, there's no way I can be sure either way. It totally depends on the specific dates for me, particularly if it's 10 days. It would certainly be feasable (particularly if lodging is free), as long as everything is decided enough in advance that I could save up for the airfare. Just keep us all posted, I suppose.
What exactly goes on at Mittens? Are there planned events or is just a social gathering? Is there anywhere I could read about past Mittens events?
http://screen7.adventuredevelopers.com/mittens/index2.htm
It's mostly an opportunity for agsers to meet up, there are some organised activities, such as going to a themepark, mostly the fun is in meeting people you've known online in person.
there are 2 wonderful campgrounds in Western-Central New York that are perfect, one is Allegheny State Park & the other is Letchworth State Park. But it doesn't matter, because most of Upstate New York is beautiful and should be seen. I won't go because of my NOOB status, but thought i would let you know.
Shawn
I've been doing a lot of work here in Maryland, checking out campgrounds, even a large one that is owned by the county schools, and its 10 minutes from Baltimore Washington International (BWI)airport. I'm hoping to make enough money in the coming months to be able to afford at least one bus and driver, if not two plus the campgrounds for us, or just bug the parents. The one place can hold like 125 people, and I do know theres a lot of Americans hoping to come, and of course we all want the international agsers to come.
I can say without a doubt, I will be there. Even if I have to walk. Worse case scenerio, I ask my parents to loan me the money for the trip, and then pay them off later. Of course, for me it's a bit more feasible, where airtravel to NY is only 2 to 3 hundred dollar round trip.
Eric, we need to set a date for mittens. Preferably not near major holidays (at least, not when we arrive), otherwise rates begin to rise. June/July?
-MillsJROSS
I'll be there. As long as a trusted and well-respected member as Eric will orginise it, I'll be there.
The previous mittens have, as you all know, all been handled by well-respected, mature, trustworthy and nearly iconic members of the AGS elite.
I would be there, if I somehow could arrange myself to the US... gotta think. If any other finn from around where I live is going, I'll try to tag along ;D
I'm there, dude. I can definitely help out with picking people up from airports or whatever.
-Dave
ah, pick ups from the airport would be great
As for the meet in London, would be cool too, then we'd have a nice time in the plane too ;)
And then I could finally shake Farlanders hand :P
There's gotta be a cheaper way no?
m0ds how much would it cost you to fly there?
I'll be there.
I'm saving money.
b.t.w.
from Amsterdam to Washington
from Washington to New York
from New York to L.A.
form Orlando to Chicago
from Chicago to Amsterdam
-----------------------------------
total air fair 670 euro
I don't know how my travel agent pulled it off.
Maybe we should all stay in the pensilvania hotel in NY city.
100 euro per night, but it was so AWESOME. (I think is met Dennis Hopper in the elevator!)
I'm going, that's pretty sure.
Hey TK, if you're going, we could probably have a same flight! I wouldn't want to travel alone :P
hey Jetxl, I think it would be a good idea for us to go on the same plane then,
me you, fruittree, maybe def and others :P
Boo
http://www.cheapflights.co.uk/flights/New-York-City-NYC-NYC/Heathrow-LHR-LHR/index.html
It's like £250 on average one-way, so I expect a two-way thing would cost about £450-500...
EDIT:
http://www.britishairways.com/travel/fx/public/en_gb?eId=111011imestamp=1024122742 - it's £50 cheaper in June than July, the way I see it...
EDIT 2: www.lufthansa.co.uk - leaving 1 June, returning 14th June, it's £400.90 return...
evil: why is it four years until you can go?
Anyway, it seems my chances are very slim atm, unless there's someone else from israel going, and even then, it's very expensive...
I don't think you can get a precvise number now, but an approximate number maybe. Anyway i really would like to go, but my mom doesn't trust you :D
Scummbuddy: You live in maryland?
Oh well, maybe i'll just have to wait until it takes place in Israel or something.. heh, there are many israelis here after all.
Quote from: jetxl on Fri 24/10/2003 13:01:05
Maybe we should all stay in the pensilvania hotel in NY city.
100 euro per night, but it was so AWESOME. (I think is met Dennis Hopper in the elevator!)
Yeah, that hotel is pretty cool. I went to an event there just last week.
A night or two in NYC could be on the agenda, if people think it's a good idea. I can certainly put people up, although it would be a tight squeeze. (500 sq. foot studio, which includes the bathroom).
Dibs on the bed, Dave :P
non holiday times tend to be bad for us student people (due to exams somewhen in june?)
Quote from: AGA on Fri 24/10/2003 14:48:20
Dibs on the bed, Dave :P
Sorry dude. I already got you marked down for the bathtub.
End of summer term is something like the 20th June for university-goers, custard. Dunno what it is if you're in college...
7th july
I will definitely be there, even if only for 2 or 3 days, due to work. As long as it's not the last week of July or the first week of August. :)
I'd like it to be in San Francisco. But I think you all know why :)
I'd like to say I'm going, but I don't think I'll have the funds for it. Perhaps Mittens 2005... but I will of course be saving like hell anyway. Viva la revo--- mittens!
:O but you live in .... in AMERICA!
oh well :P
I found this:
vlucht 3884
vertrek Amsterdam 09:25, aankomst Londen Stansted 09:35
Flexibel internettarief 10.49 EUR (normaal tarief 17.49 EUR)
meaning...
Amsterdam - London = 10,5 euros - which is practacly nothing...
How much would a flight London to Albany cost?
Like I said above, around £400 return, which is about 575 Euro.
I'll be there :) n3t, it'll cost me whatever AGA just said it'll cost - 400 - 500 pounds.
Quintaros, yeah, here's a summary of what we did in a nutshell:
2002:
- drank alcohol, went to a theme park, got wet, played football and frisbee, cj ate an onion ring, john fell of a chair, we went to a computer game exhibition in London, we all talked about adventure games, I stole an ash tray.
2003:
- we did some sport. then a bit more sport. then some more sport. then a little bit more sport, and finally some more sport. Plus, we had a camp-fire and sat around and sung whilst Andail got very drunk, Helm and 2ma2 drew lots of things, there was a PC so we did a proper showcase of games, plus some people worked on a game, there was an "Urban Joe" tournament, Helm smacked a jelly fish, some of us went in a boat, Goldmund smoked some menthol cigarettes.
:)
m0ds
PS Yufster, I've said it before and I'll say it again >:(
dont forget goldmund falling off a chair ;)
So, any Finns going? Pessi? AJA? TK? Mikko??? (where are you BTW?) Or Ghormak perhaps? Somebody?
And I hope people I want to meet goes there aswell :P
While money isn't really a problem, timing is. I probably won't be able to go to this years mittens as we pretty much have no summer holiday in school this year.
Up state NY? no problem, I'll drive up, and since I work for my self, I'll stay for the whole time as long as loging isn't exspensive (i.e. free).
Eric: if you need help with planning, drop me an email, I'm only a few hours away.
C.
M0ds, I have answered before and I'll answer again. :)
As far as the school thing goes, I'm in college and we finish up in late/mid May. Colleges here tend to get out earlier than high schools, which generally let out in June. Early June would probably be the best for me. I know it's impossible to take everyone's preferences into account, but for completeness' sake there it is.
Well, since I never post and am hardly ever in #ags, I don't know who'd know me there, but I think I may be able to go if it's in July or August.
i know you (http://boards.ign.com/images/faces/love.gif)
Me too
Comma!
I thought you were gone forever.
Come back to #ags.
Edit: NOW.
I'd definately like to go, but as scotch says it's difficult for us Europeans to be certain this far in advance without knowing dates and so forth.
As has been noted, flights are significantly cheaper in June than July/August, but this may pose problems for people at college.
On a related note, it's probably important to re-state the minimum age for attendance, which as far as I remember is 16.
Quotehere's the reasons why i should organize it:
there's an international airport less than an hour away from me Albany International Airport
there are campgrounds less than an hour away from the airport [i believe]
i live in upstate new york
i'm 20 feet tall
Do you, AGS Community, take eric to be your lawfully wedded Mittens organiser, and Dave Gilbert as his associate; to have and to hold, in sickness and in health, until the gathering being over doth do us part?
are you gonna argue with a 20ft tall guy?
Uh, Mittens thing sounds fun.
I'd join but I have absolutely no finance for any trips, and living in Estonia, one of the eastmost countries in northern Europe doesn't make things any easier. After all, getting a visa to USA, for example means a lot of pain and cash, and I probably should take a boat to Finland,
because US Embassy in Estonia deals only with smaller things (what they could be, I wonder? Espionage and such?) and getting on a plane means another trip over Western Sea, beacuse planes to that far, take off in Finland.
Maybe our recent uniting to European Union makes things easier, but It's too recent, no big changes were made yet. And most Americans still think that we're communists and still USSR, so in their big fear'o' terrorists, getting a visa is much more difficult than making an adventure game... :(
Well, I don't think its that important how "well known" you are to attend. I remember JetXL turning up to 2002 and I certainly hadn't heard of him before :p That was a brave move, cos I don't know if anyone had! LOL.
None the less, you really must, when the time comes, let Eric (or whoever organises it) know that you wish to attend. People turning up randomly that hadn't told anyone they were coming can be a bit weird.
Comma - loads of people know you, you silly Brody :p
Quote from: Dave Gilbert on Fri 24/10/2003 14:45:33
Quote from: jetxl on Fri 24/10/2003 13:01:05
Maybe we should all stay in the pensilvania hotel in NY city.
100 euro per night, but it was so AWESOME. (I think is met Dennis Hopper in the elevator!)
Yeah, that hotel is pretty cool. I went to an event there just last week.
I have great memories of my stay at the 'cheap' Malibu hotel in NYC ($80 per night). I particulary enjoyed lying in bed at night, looking through the window watching 2 bums fighting eachother for their shopping carts. They even hit eachother with trashcans. ::)
Do you know this hotel, Dave? It's located at Broadway and 103st. West.
--Erwin
Petteri, I'm planning to go, once again. :P
This time I'm hoping to really really make it. I've always wanted to go to the USA and there isn't a better moment for it than this. I will try and raise enough money for the trip this time. I'm on the lookout for a job right now. Whoo.
Quote from: Erwin_Br on Sat 25/10/2003 13:50:27
I have great memories of my stay at the 'cheap' Malibu hotel in NYC ($80 per night). I particulary enjoyed lying in bed at night, looking through the window watching 2 bums fighting eachother for their shopping carts. They even hit eachother with trashcans. ::)
Do you know this hotel, Dave? It's located at Broadway and 103st. West.
--Erwin
Don't know that one. But it sounds pretty cool. :-D
I hope to be able to make it, even if it involves not eating and using my student loan to pay for it. And if Mr. Leksutin doesn't make an appearence this year then i'll damn well go to his house and drag him there!
Ginny: I'm only 14, I have $5.67, I cant drive, I can barely read, and the only things I am good at are making jokes and drawing. My guess is in 4 years I will have more money, out of my parents house, and have a bit more respect from the board.
A|\|D 8E SuRe T0 T4K3 T3H P1C&URES!
plus...its pretty hard for most kids under the age of 18 to get parental consent to go see a bunch of guys they only know from the internet, and where there will be..adult beverages.
Mittens sounds like a ball though. I'll prob be up in the upstate NY area at some point during june/july, and if the dates happen to coinside, I'll stop by and say hi to everybody
Heh, my parents are pot smoking hippies. I dont think the alcohol thing will be a problem. :)
Hm. Just a question: Have any girls from here been to Mittens yet?
nope
first off i STRONGLY STRONGLY urge everyone to put the idea of spending a few nights in NYC out of your heads.
if 30 people show up there is NO WAY IN HELL you are going to get 30 people to have fun or be comfortable at all in NYC. Especially since a lot of money will be needed to come even close to enjoying yourself in NYC [by that i mean sleeping in a bed and eating food]
now i do believe because this is the US the minimum age will have to be raised to 18. the reason there is a minimum age in the first place is cause if you are a minor then that means me as the oganizer am responsible for you. so anything stupid you'd do or firecrackers you'd eat cause CJ dared you to would be my responisibility. And I Don't Want That. [and please people don't eat anything CJ gives you, he's a trouble maker and a scalliwag!]
girls? there will be at least 1 girl at this mittens but she's mine. Pesty is coming because I'll swallow her soul if she doesn't.
and since school in the US usually gets out for summer in the april through july area [i got out may 1st, hell of a summer break!] why not just keep it in the july area? it'd have to be past july 8th cause that's my sister's birthday.
As far as it being 10 days, i think that's really up to the coordinat0r who is me and if I can't get you guys to stay 10 days then it ain't happening, at least not at my camp. my father goes up to camp every weekend in the summer as his time off for the year and i don't think he'd enjoy giving up any weekends to some pale ass adventure makers like us. But who knows, if there's a reason 10 days would be better we'll see [like payments schedules for flight and some suck]
pessi, if you came i'd have to swallow your soul, not cause i hate you but because it will give me powers! powers you wouldn't believe!!
eric out
If there are other girls going, I MIGHT be able to convince my parents to let me go too. I think they'd panic at the idea of me going anywhere with only guys that I've never met in person.
I'll have to stop buying things other than food until next September to afford it, but I'll try my best to get there.
I think 10 days might be a little much. I figure 4 to 5 days is ideal.
well, it seems like I have to save 500 euros then :-\
Hope it'll be worth it :)
Will there be any beer, I mean, there has got to be beer right? 8)
hmm girls... are you coming Yufster? ;D j/k
I think it's a good Idea the dutch would meet up with M0ds and the other s0ds in england. waddya say fellow-dutch?
I think 10 days is allright. What I've read of last years Mittens, 5 days was too short time.
Pessi, that's great to hear! I really hope you can go :)
Time to start saving some money...
BAH BAH What am i gonna spend my money on now? wheres an angry smiley when you need one
I'll probably go there earlier, or stay there longer, so I don't really care about the duration of the meeting. Ten days will probably work if there are arranged activities, otherwise it might get a tad too long, regardless of how long people have travelled or how much money they have spent. Then again, five days would be too short.
I also agree with the 18 years limit. It will make things easier when it comes to alcohole consumption and all of that.
I really hope Eric will manage to get some more girls there. Bringing only one's girlfriend to a party is an international crime and will be brought to Hague, or so I've read. As much as I like Eric, I would have to challange him on a deadly duel with bow and arrows and leave with his girl.
All in all, it sounds smashing
Quote from: Andail on Sun 26/10/2003 14:35:22
I also agree with the 18 years limit. It will make things easier when it comes to alcohole consumption and all of that.
Not when the limit is 21..
America is a long way for some of us to travel, so we thought 10 days would be a better period. I think it would. The five days went really quickly in Sweden, it almost felt like you were packing again just after you unpacked.
Plus, some people may go on to other places after Mittens, or something. But that was more of a personal preference thing.
m0ds
I agree that if you travel all the way to NY you'll want to spend more than a few days there. I plan to spend perhaps an additional 3 days doing the touristy thing with my g/f. Eric makes it sound pretty expensive to enjoy NY but I figure if I travel all the way there I shouldn't chinse once I arrive.
I concur with Andail - 5 days was really too short, but 10 days would probably be pushing it a bit. Perhaps Mittens itself could be 7 days, which would then leave people with a week to do the touristy stuff should they wish to do so (assuming that the best flight deals are for 2 weeks, as someone mentioned).
10 days would be good, then those of us who really wanna see New York (I definitely want to go again, I loved it the last time) could spend the remaining 3/4 days in NYC, perhaps a few of us together, maybe alone, whatever...
I personally don't have to see NY really... :)
I never visited it or anything, but it just doesn't attract me somehow :P
besides going to america itself is expensive enough for me ;)
But... you're Dutch! You should love New York!
And Marijuana!
:p
Stupid age limit ^_^
I'm going to be defectingmoving to West GermanyConnecticut early next year, and the probability of me being able to use some kinda car (albeit an illegal, uninsured, cheap ass hillbilly one), or even some kinda bus is reasonable. However, if you're going to set an age limit, I guess that means I'll have to stay at home, and not get the criminal record disowning by parents alchohol induced kidney failure experience of meeting AGS heroes I've always wanted. Bummer. ^_^
dont worry, it just means they have to hold another mittens in the USA so we can meet the americans .. and all the people that go in 2004 and more have to go
I promise to try very hard to get to Mittens, mainly because I do not want eric to swallow my soul (I need it!). I have the same problem Dragonrose has, what with being a girl going to visit males I have never met in person before. My mom thinks me going would be fun, but my dad's quite a bit more paranoid about me.
Money is the only other big issue. I'm unsure of where I'll be in a year or so, school or job-wise. I would start saving up now, but I have no form of income and you can't save up nothing and turn it into gold, now can you!
I know its a long way off but, for me at least ,the sooner a date is settled the better. I'm pretty sure I'll be coming regardless of what dates are chosen but it would just make it easier to start planning.
Those who have problems getting parents' permission should point out that at previous meetings, there have been really young people attending, albeit no girls of course, and there have been no problems whatsoever.
If necessary, we'll do a fruittree action, where we all adress your parents personally and tell them why you should be allowed to go.
Heh, nice idea Andail. Anyway with the new age limit (which i understand) I can't go, not would I have been able to anyway, lots of reasons. Anyway, I was just wondering if there's any idea of where the Mittens after 2004 (2005) will be held? I'll be 16 then, though finances might still be a problem..
Anyway, everyone enjoy Mittens, and take lots of pictures! :)
Mittens 2005 will be in australia.
Its already been decided...
first of all: I WILL be comming to the US mittens... It would be foolish of me not to, hell, if you reserve far enough in advance, you can go just about anywhere for about 99 bucks.
Secondly, I want to hit the 2005 Mittens, I may sell one of my kidneys to get the cash to do it.
C.
Quote from: c.leksutin on Tue 28/10/2003 16:52:08
first of all: I WILL be comming to the US mittens... It would be foolish of me not to, hell, if you reserve far enough in advance, you can go just about anywhere for about 99 bucks.
Secondly, I want to hit the 2005 Mittens, I may sell one of my kidneys to get the cash to do it.
C.
Teach me how to do that ._. :P
I heard it was in Benedorm, 2005. Anyway, its too early to dicuss 2005, please, lets not. It just gets everybody arguing. We've made it a rule that we discuss and decide where the Mittens to follow is decided at MITTENS, not on the forum.
Therefore if you want it to be held in your country, go to Mittens. :)
Also, to reassure parents hopefully a phone number or phone numbers will be available for a parent to contact the Mittens supervisors (or previous ones if necessary).
:)
m0ds
Benidorm?
Is Farlander gonna organise it??
Cool 8)
I will be there.
The sooner the basics are worked out the better.
Date?
Location?
$$ for extra activities?
$$$ for lodging?
Length of stay?
Money, as always, is tight so it may seem like it is really too early to say all of this for sure but, I really need a figure to shoot for. Doesn't have to be exact...how much did other Mitteneers spend in previous years? Not on travel, but on everyday stuff.
7 to 10 days sounds pretty good for the length of stay.
So, is Eric the official thingy and is New York State the offical place? I vote yay on both.
later,
-junc
Why, the locations all the way to 2007 have already been settled. It's just no one reads earlier posts in threads.
Quote from: m0ds on Tue 28/10/2003 17:45:58
Also, to reassure parents hopefully a phone number or phone numbers will be available for a parent to contact the Mittens supervisors (or previous ones if necessary).
Yes please! I think if my parents actually talk to someone they'd be okay with it. I was supposed to go to New York for a school trip last year anyways. It just never happened because of stupid George "The Chimp (http://www.bushorchimp.com)" Bush and his stupid warmongering. We'd even paid for most of it when the school board cancelled all out of country trips.
Grrr....
Eric - why over 18's only?
Quote from: m0ds on Wed 29/10/2003 21:38:51
Eric - why over 18's only?
My guess is that it's because 18 is considered adult age in the U.S., and I suppose it's just easier in terms of liability and so forth. For people under 18, Eric could possibly be legally at fault in some way if someone was injured or something under his supervision. That's my guess, anyway.
that is also my guess... what is the legal limit to adult hood in the us?
Er...what do you mean? You mean what can you legally do when you're 18 that you couldn't do otherwise?
i mean when are you not concidered a minor anymore... as in if a 30 year old shoots himself in the foot with a bow and arrow at my camp then too bad his fault
if a 6 year old does it then it's my responsibility
where's the line
18..
I think an age limit is fair not because we hate you youngins just legally speaking and considering how looked down on meeting people online is..
If you are dumb and can't walk and trip and break your leg it is all our (erics) problem and that just isn't fair..
and if i break your leg with my sledgehammer cause i don't like the looks-a-ya well.. that's the law of the land and if you don't like it then maybe you should take it up with the millions of soldiers who died freeing this land from the tyrrany of the Mohawk Indians!!
maybe you should let the parents of the minors sign a paper stating that they are responsible for anything that happens?
...and most importantly, to release the temporary "guardian" from any liability, legal or otherwise.
They can sign all the papers you want, but that doesn't necessarily make the organisers any less responsible in the eyes of the law. And as to a 30-y-o shooting an arrow in to the foot, make sure that all arrows have a disclaimer such as:
"Not to be inserted into body parts"
or they'll still sue your pants off
We had a meeting at work about health & safety law. In the UK, if you are senior to anyone, you can be criminally liable for anything bad that happens to them, even if its their own stupid fault. This is adults, remember. Not to mention your own and the company's civil liability.
For example, a woman who frequenty used the power-guillotine to chop paper was fed up with the safety buttons that she had to press which ensuredher hands were out of the way when it operated. So she went to the supply cupboard, got some glue and glued them on. After a while, she was a bit careless and lost a thumb or two. She sued the company and got a hefty payout.
so, it's maybe tough for the young-uns not to get a first-hand encounter with a semi-deity-onion-ring-eater, but the risks aint worth it!
no, ive already met him :P
Hrmmm. What if I was responsible for those between 16 - 18, or would that not work? Do I have to be an American citizen to be responsible, in America? Surely not.
m0ds
i do believe it's cause of the fact that i am organizing the event
who is it you want going?
Quote from: m0ds on Thu 30/10/2003 09:45:37
Hrmmm. What if I was responsible for those between 16 - 18, or would that not work? Do I have to be an American citizen to be responsible, in America? Surely not.
m0ds
No, you wouldn't have to be.
Custard raised the issue with me, he went to Sweden. And Magintz went to UK and Sweden.
But yeah, its your call. But i'm happy to be responsible. I'm a part time youth leader and used to help run Beavers, Cubs & Scouts, so I have no problems with being responsible.
m0ds
Magintz can't go iirc
Fruittree wants to go too, and he's minor too..
but I am a minor too in the states right? since I'm 18
N3T, under 18 is classed as a minor. Being 18 is not. :)
I'm a miner in the coal mines in Yorkshire.
Man that sounds like a tough job m0dsy :)
If you need any help, just phone me ;), I'm a mining expert
I waited for meeting custard, so I hope m0ds could be responsible :)
Oh, and do you have a map of New York to show? One of the flights me and Pessi are planning to take would go to the JFK airport, but it may be possible that we go first to London to meet up with brits and then to New York.
I know I am new here but I'm looking over the stuff about adulthood in the US and what not...
Mostly it depends on the state, but as a general rule it is 18. Like in the state of Missouri 18 is considered adulthood, but you can be charged with statatory (sp?) rape at the age of 17, which 17 is considered an adult in that case. However, in Missouri the MINOR that goes across your drivers license will be there until the age of 21 (legal drinking age). Which BTW is considered the minimal age of an adult in some states...
FYI, you Euros (BTW I spend 3 years living in Germany, and I traveled all over so I do know a bit about Europe) who are used to ordering beer and the stronger liquers, at the age of 15-16, can forget about it in the states. (Unless of course you can find someone to buy it for you, or you are over 21) which if you are caught drinking, the oldest person at the event (party or just chilling at the house) is the one charged with the crimes... Oh and no ciggies purchaces until 18... so if you are under the above ages, don't expect to procure these things yourself...
I think they could have mittens in sweden...or even better vaasa, Finand...maybe year 2015? ::)
petteri
jfk airport is in Jamaica NY which is in NYC
i would recommend getting in contact with Dave Gilbert about all affairs with NYC since he may know more about it/know people who know more about it
again i have to stress albany international airport, hehe
alynn, they don't have to worry about getting beer or anything because if they are old enough in the united states then it's fine with me. there will be no sloppy drunks because it isn't allowed and there will be no underaged drinking cause it isn't allowed [by me not just the united states]
and if you can't go a few days without getting shit faced then you have a problem
NOW, as for everything else, i will not be posting the address publicly so if you would like the address for setting up driving directions [mapquest] or seeing where exactly the place is [so you know what it isn't just a hop and a skip away from NYC] then PM me please and if you'd be so kind just tell me from where you'll be coming.
danke
eric
AJA said he would go to Mittens if they were held in Nastola. His place is big... it can surely hold group of people.... but I'm not sure of his pearents... :P;D
As Eric says, if you're coming to Mittens via NYC contact me. I can rent a jeep or somesuch and do pickups. NYC airports are pretty far apart, so it'll help if everyone ends up at the same airport, but I guess that'll be hard to coordinate. We'll figure it out as the time approaches.
And it's cool is people want to spend a few days in the city after Mittens is over. I know I'll be here.
Hmm... Looks like this'll cost me about $500 for the airfare. A lot cheaper than it'll be for Europeans, I'm sure, but still a pretty sizeable amount for me. I guess the sooner everything is finalized, the better.
EDIT: Also, it seems like flying into JFK can indeed by significantly cheaper than flying into Albany International.
How far is Albany from NYC? Looking at a map for the first time, it seemed pretty damn far.
really remixor? well damn... that sucks
only cause that means a 3 hour bus/train ride [not including cab to port authority/penn station] to get upstate
but things will be worked out i guess
quin: about 3 hours
America is stupid with their drinking laws. 21 is outragious. No wonder there are so many people shooting each other over there.
so that means I can't drink @ mittens??? >:(
man that sucks ... :-\
If everyone going via london would search for flights to albany, maybe we could locate the cheapest
bright idea?
how old are you netgraph?
I'm 18 years old eric
Quote from: MrColossal on Fri 31/10/2003 03:50:14
really remixor? well damn... that sucks
only cause that means a 3 hour bus/train ride [not including cab to port authority/penn station] to get upstate
but things will be worked out i guess
quin: about 3 hours
Well, the only reason I bring it up is because I interpreted Dave as saying he could possibly bring people from NYC to the Mittens site if we fly into the same airport. If I understood him wrong, never mind. Don't want to impose or anything obviously.
Is there an underground (metro, whatever you call the underground trains, I forget) stop at the PABT?
Quote from: remixor on Fri 31/10/2003 11:42:39
Quote from: MrColossal on Fri 31/10/2003 03:50:14
really remixor? well damn... that sucks
only cause that means a 3 hour bus/train ride [not including cab to port authority/penn station] to get upstate
but things will be worked out i guess
quin: about 3 hours
Well, the only reason I bring it up is because I interpreted Dave as saying he could possibly bring people from NYC to the Mittens site if we fly into the same airport. If I understood him wrong, never mind. Don't want to impose or anything obviously.
No, you heard right. I can definitely bring people from NYC to Mittens. Within reason, of course.
-Dave
Can you drive a bus, Dave? ;)
Ha. No. :-D
I'll see how big a car we'll need as the time approaches.
Drive down to Maryland and pick me up. Unless I do get a call back from this one great place we could host it.
I'm not going, nor do I live in the US, so my knowledge on this may be scratchy, but I get a quite heavy impression that the question of location had been settled to Upstate NY.
Well, heres hoping that a future Mittens is somewhere near Australia... or Australia, and then everyone can drink... mmm... :P
2005, pre booked since 2002.
Where's it going to be held?
hi, no, please not in this thread
Baba ganoush?
I reakin it should be on the gold coast
so we can show those pasty english what wun and sand is.
seriously, please stop...
Quote from: MrColossal on Sun 02/11/2003 10:38:05
seriously, please stop...
Hahahahahahaha..ha.... ha.
This thread turned out quite fun :D
Thanks eric for getting me happy again ;D
I reckon CObar, because it's derivative and off topic.
But now an explicit message requiring a returning to topic. Pronto.
ok now that that's over with
end of july? how is that for people? eh eh?
End of July's fine with me.
End of July would be pretty damn cold in Cobar
June is still better for me, but I can't imagine I'll absolutely not be able to come if it's in July.
End of July is fine, I'm trying to get a job for June so that I have some more money to spend at Mittens.
Any time from like the 20th July 'til mid-September should be cool.
I know I don't carry enough weight here for my schedule to make much difference, but any later than the month of July and I'm pretty much out, as I have to go back to school in early to mid August.
/me lends remix0r some lead
Ah, thanks--much appreciated.
July is fine for me I guess :)
I'm just curious... would it actually be possible if somebody (m0ds) could be responsible for those between 16 - 18? Because custard promised to buy me a (root) beer :P
we're going to have to drop the 'let custard go to mittens' campaign im afraid petteri :p
i'll find a way to make sure you have your (root) beer
Have your own meeting, and call it 'custardandPetterittens'.
Or not...
End of July is just fine for me Eric0rz
C.
Just to clear things up a bit more. In America, you...
...are responsible for yourself at the age of 18.
...can go to jail at the age of 17.
...can legally drink outside the home at the age of 21 (of course, your parents can let you drink inside the home).
...can drive at the age of 16, but only others after six months of having your license.
...can drop out of school at the age of 16.
1. yes
2. you can go to jail if youre like 10, but itd be more of a correctional institute
3.you can't drink anywhere if youre under the age of 21... just because youre inside your house doesnt make it alright. the parents get in so much trouble over here for allowing that.
4. thats only someplaces. i got mine when i turned 16
5. i think thats right.
you can only leave school at 16 with parental consent. otherwise, 18
What about sexual consent, involving someone that's not from the USA with someone thats not from the USA but is from Ireland?
lol j/k :P
Anyway, yeah, July anytime is fine :)
So that means I CANT drink alcohol?? >:(
/me sneaks a bottle of beerenburgh from Holland with him
THe thing about underage drinking... one wise ass once said (and it may have even been me)...
"It's only illegal if you get caught."
If you drink and you are underage, and you are doing it quietly at your house or someone elses... the odds of you getting in trouble are just about nil... however, in a public park, with a huge bottle of Jack Daniels in your hand, while yelling obsinities at children, will most likely get you canned...
So anyway...
But you'd do it with the knowledge that you're not risking your own arse in the shitter, but eric's as well.
can we drop the whole drinking thing? i could care less who wants to drink and who doesn't because it's already handled by the united states and their laws regardless of what country you come from or how you feel about said laws
if you're not 21 you do not drink anything alcoholic. simple as that. also, and this is the most important part, i will be purchasing nothing alcoholic so if you want to buy something either you have to get it when we go to the store or bring it with you and not many people will have that chance
and if you bring anything to drink with you it'll go in the pantry or fridge and as i said before there will be no sloppy assed drunk people because i said so and there will be no sneaking of drinks to people.
I understand some people like to drink but come on, these are the rules and if you don't like them tough, and it's only a few days, you can't NOT drink for a few days?
eric
Ok people, listen to the man. To summarize:
1. Yes, mittens will be in the USA, upstate New York, hosted by eric. There is no need to post saying you'd rather it was somewhere else or you hope it's somewhere else next year.
2. Yes, in the US you must be 21 to drink, yes it is a stupid backwards law compared with the rest of the world, but it's the law and eric as host would be responsible for anyone caught drinking underage. So respect that.
3. Unfortunately nobody under 18 can be accomodated, due to US law regarding minors. It is a shame, especially that you won't be able to come this year custard, but there's always next time ;)
4. Yes it will be a laugh and a chance to meet your favourite AGSers and tell them how much you love them.
Any further posts from anyone whinging about points 1-3 above will be ridiculed, saved for 2 years, then mailed back to you by recorded delivery.
yes but, will every one who goes to mittens 04 be at at the next one? doubt it, especially the americans :P
whoaa take it easy dudes :P
imo, America is odd
oh well guess I'll have to live with it
Quote from: N3TGraph on Wed 05/11/2003 09:43:31
whoaa take it easy dudes :P
imo, America is odd
oh well guess I'll have to live with it
Essentially CJ's second statement. ;)
Yikes
/me changes email address
I don't know, I've kind of gotten used to the idea of having to be 21 before you can legally drink alcohol. Maybe because we abuse alcohol the most, who knows?
And yes it is a backward law, but eh like CJ said it IS the law.
So upstate New York, awesome, that's like a 2-3 hour drive, not bad. I could ask for a few days off from work in a row, take the drive up there and meet you guys and tell you how much I love you and want to stalk you, and....and.....
Viva La Mittens 04! ;D
So, Mittens will be in the USA. But when will it be held? And will it be announced "officially" in the main site or as a forum sticky?
fjeronimo
Ps - I hope this hasn't been answered in the previous 9 pages of this thread, but since my connection is quite slow at the moment, I didn't really feel like checking...
Ps2 - Concerning American laws, I also hear that it's about the only country in the world (in some states at least) where you can go out at night and not get home with your clothes smelling like a tobacco factory (i.e. Bars and clubs without anybody smoking!!!!).
end of july, fjeronimo, is the current shootin' for date and it seems like that's the best for people
i had an idea, anyone be interested in a mini adventure-x? i can bring my computer up to camp and if anyone would like to give a talk on anything adventure game related or on the process of making an adventure game then they can and can bring things to show and such?
i'd gladly give a talk on anything but the only thing is, it would have to be more like a lecture not a step by step cause there's no way i'm sitting there and drawing an entire background while 15 people watch me... b.o.r.i.n.g.
Eric: yeah, I think that would be a great idea. I could sure as hell use some face-to-face tips, and I'm sure nobody else would be adverse to them either.
BTW: Do people with laptops usually bring them to Mittens? My PC is a laptop so it's not like it would be a hassle if people want an extra PC around. Is this normal or is it more exclusively a naturey woodsy sort of deal?
Nobody has brought a laptop to mittens in the past.
eric, that's great idea :) I could take a copy of Goldlagoon demo (if I finish it before mittens :P) and mitteneers could play it. Because I'm planning to make a demo but I'm not going to release it in internet.
if everybody takes a pc with him.... we could have a lan party ::)
I thought mittens was too get away from the pc for a while ;D
No way. I plan on bringing a demo of a game to show off at the place. I'll bring my laptop, and we can start a sign up for people with suggested and definite ideas for spoken tutorials and if anyone wants to claim them and begin work on it now, in time for mittens.
the one pc at mittens 03 worked very well, and did not become the main attraction :)
Yeah, well, we're American's and you know how pompous we can be. ;D
When the final preparations are taken care off, where will the data relative to this event be posted? The forums?
And how long will mittens 04 last? A day? A weekend? A week? Also related, I hope some of you guys who actually live there know of interesting (read good and cheap) places to stay, since I guess the trip will be 'hell' for Europeans (like myself)... :)
fjeronimo
mittens will last 3 hours and 13 minutes, the extra 13 minutes are for last minute packing [which i expect to be done in the final 2 hours of mittens, the first hour would be for unpacking]
but a definite date will be picked and i guess i'll tell mods and he'll put it on the mittens site
however the address will not be posted on the interweb
as for places to stay as of right this moment [because you don't want to read the thread] room will be free because it's at my camp... unless you want to pay that is then i'm more than happy
I guess I deserved to be kicked out of my lazy butt and "forced" to take a stroll to the mittens site... and to read this thread... :)
Quote from: MrColossal on Fri 14/11/2003 01:33:58
as for places to stay as of right this moment [because you don't want to read the thread] room will be free because it's at my camp... unless you want to pay that is then i'm more than happy
Yes... I have a HUGE surplus of money right now... It's such a pain to have to SWIM my way to the front door through all the bills everytime I want to leave my home... A five star hotel will come in handy...
fjeronimo
hehe i ment no ill will, just saying that it was covered in the thread
and it's good to see that you're offering to put us all up in a five star hotel! that's not really roughing it but hell, you seems eager to help, party at jeronimos!
I don't want to go unless I'm reassured there'll be a spotting of Godzilla.
:p
I (as always) would be interested in going. The only problem for me would be the money...
I plan on going (like it or not) and agree that anytime after February but before December is alright with me. Ideally, it'd be sometime in July (which has been determined). It'll be difficult to get any advanced-RSVP's until there's a definite date set.
Also, wanted to add that any potential attenders whose parents seem somewhat dubious might want to check out the official site: http://www.mittens.cjb.net/ (http://www.mittens.cjb.net/). You could even send aforementioned parents there since the site is rather well-done and does a decent job of answering basic questions. If anyone would like a letter or two written to their parents, you could just post a request and I'm sure that several over-21 members would be happy to oblige (except DG, he'd use the Fuck-word too often).