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Title: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Grundislav on Tue 31/07/2007 23:57:47
Hello everyone,

This year in Canada we tossed around a few ideas for the location of next year's Mittens.  Nothing concrete was decided, but there were a few suggestions for France.

I'm all for France and think it would be fun, but I am also presenting a second option just in case nothing happens with it.  If we do go with France, then consider this my bid for 2009.

I would like to host Mittens here in my hometown of Miami, Florida.  I've been looking and found that there are indeed camping areas within the city, and not way the hell out in the middle of the swamp as I previously thought.  One I was browsing offers cabins that sleep 14-16 for $169 a night, and has a pretty decent location.  If we did like this year and rented a van, it would be easy to get around and go anyplace within the city.  I'm sure there are also other places with comparable rates, so that's good to know.

So, my reason for starting this thread is to ask two questions: the first is, if we do France, who will organize?  The second is, if we don't do France, who would be interested in Mittens Miami?  (Same question applies if we do France).
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: Privateer Puddin' on Tue 31/07/2007 23:59:00
France is OK, Florida is awesome. I'm interested in both.

France is close which is good for me and I've loved the time I've spent in Miami and the rest of Florida.  I also want to go to another Mittens!
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: Pesty on Wed 01/08/2007 00:01:06
200 Pete Votes for Mittens Miami!
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: Disco on Wed 01/08/2007 00:45:20
Hehe, you silly Team Foxhumpers, there was a consensus on the way back to Toronto on the final day that it would be France. :P

The first notion was to ponder over the Netherlands since Jet and Radiant were in attendance, but further discussion led to France.

While I would prefer the French countryside, Miami sounds sexy. I've never been anywhere near the South.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: Pesty on Wed 01/08/2007 01:00:23
Quote from: Disco on Wed 01/08/2007 00:45:20
Hehe, you silly Team Foxhumpers, there was a consensus on the way back to Toronto on the final day that it would be France. :P

The first notion was to ponder over the Netherlands since Jet and Radiant were in attendance, but further discussion led to France.

While I would prefer the French countryside, Miami sounds sexy. I've never been anywhere near the South.

Funny, I don't seem to remember agreeing on France. You Party Van people and your decisions!!
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: on Wed 01/08/2007 01:01:22
I think it'd be nice to hold it in france in 2008, giving more europeans a chance to muck in. There seems to be huge popularity this side of the pond yet when we hold American mittens for some reason the Americans shy away or something ;) SO I'd vote 2008 for France (so I actually have a chance of going this time) and 2009 Miami. (Miami would be awesome btw) I'd still also like to hold the 10th anniversary in the carribean.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: Darth Mandarb on Wed 01/08/2007 01:18:03
If we hold it in Miami I will DEFINITELY be at it!!

However I would be very interested in France as well! 

I intended on going this year ... but work got in the way.

I would be happy with either Miami or France.

I just realized my post here is pointless and doesn't help :)
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: on Wed 01/08/2007 01:46:22
I'll throw a spanner in the works. If it's Miami next year, I will personally dislike Grundislav for 10 years minimum after that.

:P
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: AGA on Wed 01/08/2007 01:51:57
If needs be, I'll organise it/help organise it in France.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: Finkenstein on Wed 01/08/2007 01:59:05
I vote for Miami until there is a legitimate plan for France. Really the only reason is that Miami is easier to get to for me and has sexy beaches (and possibly sexy Disneylands)
Also it would have sexy Grundislavs who could sexily show us around, sexily.

But I would also be totally excited to go to France, I hear they also have sexy beaches.
And if Pete doesn't come to France I vote for a mid-year Petetins.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: on Wed 01/08/2007 02:01:23
Sorry, you must have at least 10 posts on the AGS forums before your vote can be counted.

;)
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: Finkenstein on Wed 01/08/2007 02:03:05
I WIN!
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: AGA on Wed 01/08/2007 02:06:37
France has a sexy Disneyland too. And it'll have like 99% fewer fat people.

I just did a quick search, and there are tons of properties all over France with pretty awesome facilities. There are lots of big places with pools/saunas/hot-tubs and other such luxuries, available for 15-20 people, that range from really cheap (about £40 per head for a week) to more-expensive-but-still-decently-priced (£125pw).

I think that we could find a great place pretty much anywhere in France, depending on what kind of location and scenery people wanted.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: Ubel on Wed 01/08/2007 02:08:17
Hey, it was in America this year! I will not tolerate any of this Miami-crap!

France! FRANCE! :D
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: on Wed 01/08/2007 02:11:44
Pareeeeeeeeeeeee! And Jeremieeeeeeeeeeee! Lumbruso special guest. Awesome.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: Pesty on Wed 01/08/2007 02:14:37
Screw all of you selfish europeans! You've had way more Mittens, let us Americans have another one! I want to see Eric and Jess again!

Also, I am fully willing to host an inbetween Peteins anytime of the year!
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: Grundislav on Wed 01/08/2007 02:14:51
Alright, but let it be known that I'm calling dibs on Mittens 09 being in Miami!
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: on Wed 01/08/2007 02:15:33
Screw you American cheap skates! Come over this side of the world for once for thousands of dollars!

:P
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: Pesty on Wed 01/08/2007 02:19:11
Quote from: m0ds on Wed 01/08/2007 02:15:33
Screw you American cheap skates! Come over this side of the world for once for thousands of dollars!

:P

There is a difference between being a cheap skate and being poor! All you european people are secretly rich! I just know it!
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: AGA on Wed 01/08/2007 02:32:15
Just starting swimming now, you lazy bastards.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: Disco on Wed 01/08/2007 02:33:02
Quote from: Pesty on Wed 01/08/2007 02:14:37
Also, I am fully willing to host an inbetween Peteins anytime of the year!

Good. Between your Peteins, the AGS Formal I would someday like to organise, and the Amerittens that, you never know, might actually take off this year, opportunities for the budget-minded are endless.

And if all else fails, we'll always have Paris. Er.... ::)
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: Darth Mandarb on Wed 01/08/2007 02:33:42
Quote from: AGA on Wed 01/08/2007 02:32:15Just starting swimming now, you lazy bastards.

I can't swim ... but I do have a row-boat.  It seats 2 comfortably, so if anybody wants to help row let me know!
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: Domino on Wed 01/08/2007 02:35:08
I don't fly, so i will row with you Darth.

(Last time on a plane was 1982, when i was 9 years old) But i am to afraid to get into an airplane now.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: Disco on Wed 01/08/2007 02:36:52
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Wed 01/08/2007 02:33:42
I can't swim ... but I do have a row-boat.  It seats 2 comfortably, so if anybody wants to help row let me know!

Depends. Could we take the Red Cross with us?   :P
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: Quintaros on Wed 01/08/2007 03:27:14
If there's one thing I learned from organizing this year's event, it's that you can't please everyone and that if you ask for everyone's input it's impossible to reach a consensus. 

Typically a Mittens location is decided during the prevous year's event.  I'm not exactly sure why but my guess would be because having a discussion on the forums would be unwieldly and many people who can't realistically get their shit together to attend anyway will sway the vote.  We tried discussing next year's location a few times last week but for the most part we were too busy having fun to really address it properly.  When we were riding back into Toronto on the final day, we took the time to make a decision and it came up France.  Maybe that seems a little unfair because some attendees were absent but these things are never representative of the overall community.

Ultimately it doesn't matter much to me where Mittens is because I'll attend regardless.  I just want an organized plan in place.  People might have thought I was nutty when I was trying to get committment from people in December of last year but it really did require early organization to book a good venue.  So I want to see the same thing for next year's event.

Quote from: Pesty on Wed 01/08/2007 02:14:37
Screw all of you selfish europeans! You've had way more Mittens, let us Americans have another one! I want to see Eric and Jess again!

Pete, it's great that you and the rest of Team Foxhump are new Best Friends Forever but I don't know if that's really what Mittens should be all about.  I don't think you made many attempts to interact with others.  If you want to get together with Eric and Jess again, go for it but if you're going to form a tight little clique anyway there isn't any need to call it Mittens.

Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: MrColossal on Wed 01/08/2007 03:48:20
Wow Rudey McHarsh, that was quite uncalled for, I'm sure Pete was joking around.

If anything Team Hot Tub was more of a clique than people who rode in the same car together three times, jeez.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: AGA on Wed 01/08/2007 03:51:00
So aside from Pesty, is there any real objection to France, apart from 'I'd love Miami, but France is fine too', which lots of you seem to think?
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: MrColossal on Wed 01/08/2007 03:52:29
The objection to france I would have would happen when I find out how much a ticket would cost to get there. Also my slowly evolving fear of flying... But I'm sure I can overcome that...
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: Quintaros on Wed 01/08/2007 04:09:42
Quote from: MrColossal on Wed 01/08/2007 03:48:20
Wow Rudey McHarsh, that was quite uncalled for, I'm sure Pete was joking around.

If anything Team Hot Tub was more of a clique than people who rode in the same car together three times, jeez.

Eric, I spent a lot of time debating whether or not to post that because I didn't want to appear unneccessarily harsh but it was my perception of things.  It went beyond just the car rides because there was a certain exclusivity of private jokes established during the car rides that were continued all week.  Maybe I could have stated it more eloquently but Pete is over the top enough herself that I thought I was speaking her language. 

Team Hot Tub was never a clique...because there was no Team Hot Tub.  Some people used it some people didn't.  All were welcome.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: Grundislav on Wed 01/08/2007 04:23:52
The main reason I started this thread was because, not having been in the van on the way back, I didn't know that France had been officially decided as next year's location.  As this is the case, I add my support to it.

But I still call dibs on '09!  ;D
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: Darth Mandarb on Wed 01/08/2007 05:15:23
I'm down with France ... as long as we can go to Paris and there are lots of pretty French gals hittin' on me with their sexy French accents.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: AGA on Wed 01/08/2007 05:17:54
Hmm. While I realise it's a bit early to expect any definite answers, the earlier I/we can get started arranging, the better. So: who would at least TRY to attend if Mittens 2008 was in France, sometime late July, early August next year? If I can get approximate numbers, I can start scoping out likely places.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Grundislav on Wed 01/08/2007 05:19:23
I see no reason why I shouldn't be able to make it.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Ubel on Wed 01/08/2007 05:26:50
I will try my best but it's very very unsure for me because army is coming up next year and stuff. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: AGA on Wed 01/08/2007 05:35:38
Okay, I'll start a list:

AGA
Andail
Becky
Chrille
Creed Malay
custard
Dark Stalkey
Darth Mandarb
DaveGilbert
Disco
Disco's sister
DutchMarco
Esseb
Ghormak
Grundislav
Helm
Jess
Layabout
LimpingFish
Lorena
Matt Goble
miez
MillsJROSS
minimi
m0ds
MrColossal
Nacho
Pablo
Pesty
Petteri
Quintaros
Radiant
scotch
Sinitrena
The Ivy
Tuomas
Zoot

Total: 37
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Disco on Wed 01/08/2007 05:49:33
I have no doubts as to my attendance, would be glad to leave this hemisphere again.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Pesty on Wed 01/08/2007 06:07:31
Quintaros, I'm sorry you felt like I only hung out with a couple people during Mittens, or that anyone was  being "clique-y",  that was never my intention, nor anyone else's I'm sure.
I was absolutely only kidding, as my only real opposition to France is that it'll be extremely expensive for me, and me going to Miami is much more possible.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: AGA on Wed 01/08/2007 06:09:08
That is another benefit of getting this started so soon - people know roughly how much they need to save, and have almost a year in which to do it.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Esseb on Wed 01/08/2007 07:11:03
Yes, get cracking, Pete!

Put me down for likely, also. I want to make it to at least one Mittens. Those fancy titles under your nicks look so excluding.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Nacho on Wed 01/08/2007 07:44:57
I think Lore and me are in if it' s in France, and if it is close to the Pyrinées(Someone mentioned the final location?), count also with two bikes, one mine and one lended from my biking touring business, for Quitaros, the triathlete!

It' s not only that the Pyrinées are closer to Spain, therefore, less driving (I hope to get the lisence asap), but also because I love the place, Argelés-Gasost is lovely and close to some touristical places like Lourdes (If you believe in such things, you know?)

Anyway, if someone wants to see Paris, I wouldn' t mind... Champions League champions, aaahhhh, good memories!  :)
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Radiant on Wed 01/08/2007 09:09:33
Add me to the "likely" list.

And also,

(http://data1.blog.de/blog/w/whynot/img/euro_vs_america.jpg)

:)

Seriously though, given the trouble some people have at "crossing the pond", I think it's only fair to hold next Mittens in Europe if the last one was in America. Also, we should try to hold one in Australia one of these years.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Ghormak on Wed 01/08/2007 10:54:29
I want to go!

France or Miami both sound good. Neither are going to be cheap for me, but obviously crossing the ocean to Miami would be a little more expensive. Either way, I'll start saving.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Grundislav on Wed 01/08/2007 11:45:08
Quote from: Radiant on Wed 01/08/2007 09:09:33
Seriously though, given the trouble some people have at "crossing the pond", I think it's only fair to hold next Mittens in Europe if the last one was in America. Also, we should try to hold one in Australia one of these years.

This really goes both ways, as you're going to have people on either side who can't/won't come every time.  Australia would be great, but we've already tried that once and it didn't work.

Also, I don't really think the "it's fair to hold it in Europe because it was in North America last time" argument is valid, considering the first 2 Mittens were in Europe, followed by the USA one, then two more consecutive European ones before this year's in Canada.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Sam. on Wed 01/08/2007 12:02:03
If it is France, I may be living there by then and be able to find accomocation.

I vote france.

Bit early for plans though isnt it?
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Pet Terry on Wed 01/08/2007 12:06:21
Quote from: Grundislav on Wed 01/08/2007 11:45:08
Quote from: Radiant on Wed 01/08/2007 09:09:33
Seriously though, given the trouble some people have at "crossing the pond", I think it's only fair to hold next Mittens in Europe if the last one was in America. Also, we should try to hold one in Australia one of these years.

This really goes both ways, as you're going to have people on either side who can't/won't come every time.  Australia would be great, but we've already tried that once and it didn't work.

Also, I don't really think the "it's fair to hold it in Europe because it was in North America last time" argument is valid, considering the first 2 Mittens were in Europe, followed by the USA one, then two more consecutive European ones before this year's in Canada.

Agreed.

I would vote for Miami, but there doesn't seem to be any vote anymore, so it doesn't seem to matter. I have always wanted to visit Florida, but I have never wanted to visit France. So the question is, should I skip Mittens France and save the money for Mittens Florida so that I can definitely afford to go there, or should I go to France and hope I can afford to go to Florida too?

It seems that flights to France are quite cheap, though, so it's likely I could afford it. And seeing that other Finns might be going too I'll just start saving now.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: magintz on Wed 01/08/2007 12:12:37
I also think France would be better for selfish reasons, I know I have very little money and can say that many people are in the same boat and the majority of people are European based so keeping the costs low for as many people as possible would be better; it would also give me two years to save up enough money for Miami.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Radiant on Wed 01/08/2007 12:13:42
Quote from: Grundislav on Wed 01/08/2007 11:45:08
This really goes both ways, as you're going to have people on either side who can't/won't come every time.

Yes, it does go both ways. If the 2008 Mittens is in France, I would use this argument to reason that the 2009 Mittens should be in America. Or Australia :)
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: on Wed 01/08/2007 13:31:23
Put me down for France. It's also kind of cool to think we're saving the mighty CJ a bit of money, too.

Although it's become obvious he doesn't spend his money on anything other than AGS events.

:p

PS - GHORMAK ATTENDS?!?!1 Many people have been awaiting this day!!!

I think it'd be good to get many more group activities on the go in France. I don't know what you really got up to group wise in Canada, but we really do need to sort out this segmenting thing. From the second Mittens to the last I attended, I've seen it happen, and like Quintaros, it pisses me off too. We should ALL learn to float about :)
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: The Ivy on Wed 01/08/2007 14:28:48
For all the fun we had at Mittens, I can't believe we're arguing about group stuff now. Those of you who went know what a fantastic week it was, we had plenty of group activities, and I also had plenty of chances to talk to everyone individually. I for one don't really want to spoil that by arguing small points over the internet. Everyone play nice! ;)

As for France, I went to Paris this year, but I'd love to go back and see more of the country. If we travel outside the big cities, though, there's less chance that the locals will speak English. Can we do a quick show of hands of people who actually speak French?

*raises hand*

I played translator for my family this year, but it was exhausting by the end of the week. It'd be nice if we had a few other speakers along too (Radiant, I'm looking in your direction ;)).

Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: AGA on Wed 01/08/2007 14:29:53
Quote from: Zooty on Wed 01/08/2007 12:02:03Bit early for plans though isnt it?

No, it isn't. Places book up far in advance, and what would you prefer - getting a perfect place, or having to opt for somewhere less good because we left it too late?

I can read French pretty well, and speak it passably.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Quintaros on Wed 01/08/2007 14:32:36
Quote from: Pesty on Wed 01/08/2007 06:07:31
Quintaros, I'm sorry you felt like I only hung out with a couple people during Mittens, or that anyone was  being "clique-y",  that was never my intention, nor anyone else's I'm sure.
I was absolutely only kidding, as my only real opposition to France is that it'll be extremely expensive for me, and me going to Miami is much more possible.

Thanks Pete.  I never suspected that anyone was deliberately excluding others.  There will always be certain friendships that develop within large groups that are stronger than others.  I guess I made it out to be a bigger deal than it actually is.  So I'm sorry to have mentioned it.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Nacho on Wed 01/08/2007 14:48:31
I can speak french like the american Indian natives spoke English in the early Western holywood movies, but as a Spanish, if they are friendly and they speak slow, I can understand quite a lot.

Anyway, Dart speaks french. Could someone do the effort to localise her and ask her to come to mittens?
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: on Wed 01/08/2007 15:15:15
What exactly do you mean by "localise"? Wink wink nudge nudge..
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Sinitrena on Wed 01/08/2007 15:24:56
France sounds great - and not too expansive for me. I would probably attend.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Creed Malay on Wed 01/08/2007 15:33:45
Colour me French, man. I shall be there. After years of attending AGS meets, I shall finally get a snazzy title under my name!
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens on Wed 01/08/2007 16:36:05
If it was Florida I could possibly, maybe say possibly yes.  If it's France I will positively, always say no.

Perhaps I will just hunt down Frankie in Miami and feed him to the Skunk Apes...and then you'll never see him in France except during badly dubbed reruns of Harry and the Hendersons  :=
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: scotch on Wed 01/08/2007 18:57:53
Miami sounds cool, I may not be able to afford it but I'd try. I want to meet the Americans most of all.

France sounds unexciting but practical. Like probably most Europeans I've been there. I would prefer virtually anywhere else in Europe (besides previous AGS meet locations). On the other hand it's quite central and inoffensive. If you can find somewhere cheap to rent I'll almost certainly come. I would have thought French rentals anywhere nice in Summer are far from cheap, though?

Personally I was thinking further east in Europe this year... cheaper, just as pretty, probably new territory for more people... downsides: less big tourist attractions, less people that speak the local language.

If it's France, I'd vote for the Alps.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Pumaman on Wed 01/08/2007 18:57:59
Interesting proposition, Grundy! Both options sound good to me, but I guess I'd come down slightly in favour of Florida because we'd have a local host and the people there speak English ;)
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Darth Mandarb on Wed 01/08/2007 19:48:58
Quote from: Pumaman on Wed 01/08/2007 18:57:59
Interesting proposition, Grundy! Both options sound good to me, but I guess I'd come down slightly in favour of Florida because we'd have a local host and the people there speak English ;)

You've obviously never been to Miami ;)

I want to throw my hat in the ring for whatever location we decide on.  I live in Ft. Lauderdale and there's tons of stuff to do up this way too (about 30-45 minutes North of Miami).  But I would love to visit France too.

Either way.  Put me down as attending.

I've been here for almost 4 years ... suppose I should finally attend a mittens!
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Matt Goble on Wed 01/08/2007 20:21:13
I'm a likely for France next year, and Miami the year after.

Make sure there's a bigger hot tub next time!!!
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: AGA on Wed 01/08/2007 21:03:10
Some of the places I'm looking at have heated swimming pools. You can't get any bigger than that!
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: on Wed 01/08/2007 21:18:57
Yes, a pool would completely shit on your silly little Canadian hot-tub. ;)

And AGA, you're missing me from your list.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Matt Goble on Wed 01/08/2007 22:11:00
Quote from: m0ds on Wed 01/08/2007 21:18:57
Yes, a pool would completely shit on your silly little Canadian hot-tub. ;)

And AGA, you're missing me from your list.

No shitting in the pool!

Just came across this - can the people of Miami do any better:

http://break.com/index/56-percent-of-french-people-are-stupid.html (http://break.com/index/56-percent-of-french-people-are-stupid.html)
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: LimpingFish on Thu 02/08/2007 02:45:39
I would have to say "L'Hooray!" for France. Depending on the region, it can be a suprisingly cheap place to spend a week or two...so I'm told.

Miami would be super, but very expensive to attend.

So, France for me! L'Hoo...oh, I already said that.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: AGA on Thu 02/08/2007 03:16:57
There are some pretty excellent and luxurious places available, all over France, for a pretty low price. Obviously the more people come, the more limited our options are, but it'll also be cheaper per person.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: AGA on Thu 02/08/2007 03:23:28
Okay, we're getting into the 20s now with potential attendees. I think if the list gets much larger than about 25 we may have to actually start turning people away. Finding a place that big would be very difficult. So we'll see how it goes. I have found a 24-person place that looks very nice, so I'd really like to keep it on or below that number.

Also, most of the nice places I've looked at will cost something like £120-130 per person for a week. This might seem expensive compared to the camping at past Mittenses, but the facilities will be so much better.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Andail on Thu 02/08/2007 09:53:42
Why are we filling spots for Mittens 2008 already?

Quote
I think if the list gets much larger than about 25 we may have to actually start turning people away.

Hold your horses, young shaver, how about we start turning people away in, like, May or something? When people who have signed up now have at least a modicum of insight whether they can actually attend or not. Otherwise dozens and dozens of people will sign up just in case.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: magintz on Thu 02/08/2007 09:54:40
I assume that the current "yes" and "no" though is not an official roster of attendance as it is still quite early. Maybe in a few weeks time there will be some more definite answers from people as I can't see that everyone who has said yes will be 100% attending.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: GarageGothic on Thu 02/08/2007 11:07:16
If we end up choosing France (or anywhere else in Europe), consider me a possible attendee.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Monsieur OUXX on Thu 02/08/2007 11:08:20
Quote from: GarageGothic on Thu 02/08/2007 11:07:16
If we end up choosing France, consider me a possible attendee.

Just when i definitely relocate to Ireland. Be cursed, all of you ;)
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Nacho on Thu 02/08/2007 11:44:13
Quote from: m0ds on Wed 01/08/2007 15:15:15
What exactly do you mean by "localise"? Wink wink nudge nudge..

Locate?
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Monsieur OUXX on Thu 02/08/2007 12:05:54
By the way; you are right on one point : France could be called "the best place in the universe", since there are chocolate houses where little sprites live and wait for you to give you some candies, naked women waiting for Point n' click makers in a lascivious attitude, and money distributed in the streets if you say that you know Chris Jones.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Nacho on Thu 02/08/2007 12:13:14
True, but remeber it' s full of french people.  :-\

;)
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: AGA on Thu 02/08/2007 13:59:16
Quote from: Andail on Thu 02/08/2007 09:53:42
Hold your horses, young shaver, how about we start turning people away in, like, May or something? When people who have signed up now have at least a modicum of insight whether they can actually attend or not. Otherwise dozens and dozens of people will sign up just in case.

If we leave it anywhere near as late as May pretty much everywhere will be prebooked. What with Tour de France and the general popularity of France, it's really better to get organised as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Nacho on Thu 02/08/2007 14:13:05
Well, we don' t know the period of this 2008 mittens, no? Or the final EXACT location? I lauched the idea of the Pyrinées as a lovely dream (I know that at least one miteneer liked the idea  ;)), but I don' t want anybody to feel forced to "accept" my propossal. I hosted a mittens, my right to choose places is "on hold" for some years!  ;)

But, if we go to the Pyrinées, going during the Tour is a no-no... Too much people, and too much hours of waiting (maybe a day) to see the riders for 3 seconds. Tour the France is only reasonable to see with bikes.... And I don' t imagine Helm riding a bike, his hair would clog in the cog.

So, why don' t we decide the place before deciding the period and asking people to tell if they might appear?
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: on Thu 02/08/2007 14:19:42
LimpingFish, if you go, you can't leave the next day.

:P
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Becky on Thu 02/08/2007 17:08:03
I find it mildly disturbing that organising location and attendees of Mittens for next year has already started.  At this rate, I highly doubt that the people putting their names forward will be the ones that come May or wahtever have the time off/money to attend.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: on Thu 02/08/2007 17:16:57
Becky Cootalot: Pessimists Ahoy!
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Pumaman on Thu 02/08/2007 18:10:00
Whilst I agree that it's good to get somewhere booked early, with Mittens events you can't really expect people to have a reasonable idea of whether they can come this early. There's certainly no harm in scoping out places, and since there seems to be quite a bit of interest we could plan on setting a maximum of 20 people and looking and what would be available to fit that many.

Then in a couple of months time perhaps we could present the options and people would have more certainty about whether they can go or not.

Personally, I'm 99% sure to attend, wherever it is.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: LimpingFish on Thu 02/08/2007 18:32:41
Quote from: m0ds on Thu 02/08/2007 14:19:42
LimpingFish, if you go, you can't leave the next day.

:P

Stop spreading falsities about moi! I was a Britteneer for a full...

Furious mental arictma...aritic...ari...sums!

...42 hours! Tueday night through thursday afternoon! HaHA!

Ha...ha...um...

...stomps off.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Dave Gilbert on Thu 02/08/2007 19:01:43
I vote for "le mittens francais."
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: on Thu 02/08/2007 19:04:25
Awesome! I vote "please answer my PM dave thank you please very much".

It's just south of Miami.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: AGA on Thu 02/08/2007 19:57:17
Obviously I don't intend to actually book anywhere for a few months yet.  I'm just trying to avoid the hassle Quintaros had having to contact various different places trying to find us a location.

I'll probably leave any actual organisation until the new year, which is when people usually get their vacation from work allotted. People organising time off ASAP would be wise.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Radiant on Thu 02/08/2007 21:16:39
Quote from: Dave Gilbert on Thu 02/08/2007 19:01:43
I vote for "le mittens francais."

Moufles, actually :P


Quote from: The Ivy on Wed 01/08/2007 14:28:48
(Radiant, I'm looking in your direction ;)).

Moi? Parler Francais? Mais non, c'est ridicule!
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Pumaman on Thu 02/08/2007 21:20:58
Je suis parley muy bien francais.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Evil on Thu 02/08/2007 21:56:30
I'd love to go to Mittens one day, and I think Miami 2009 is a great idea. I know LGM would go, and we could probably dig Phil Reed out of his hole along the way.

What's the age limit? I'll be twenty by 2009. :/
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: AGA on Thu 02/08/2007 22:06:28
Age limit? There is none. The minimum age is 18 usually though.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: MrColossal on Thu 02/08/2007 22:10:13
If we couldn't dig Phil Reed out to go to Mittens NY I don't think we can get him to Florda... That jerk!
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Privateer Puddin' on Thu 02/08/2007 22:17:50
I'm sure we could get him to go to Tampa.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: evenwolf on Fri 03/08/2007 08:56:19
According to Phil's facebook he actually LIVES in Florida these days. 

(http://photos-875.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sctm/v118/224/16/7928875/n7928875_39604211_1490.jpg)

Maybe we should all chip in & buy his airfare. (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=Cape+Coral,+FL&daddr=Miami,+FL&sll=26.507447,-81.758194&sspn=0.410461,0.6427&ie=UTF8&z=9&om=1)
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Evil on Fri 03/08/2007 20:36:30
Fort Myers is on the way (sort of) to Miami. And if LGM and I went, we'd probably drive.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: magintz on Fri 03/08/2007 22:31:12
Scrap my vote for France, I won't be coming next year.

I'd still like to make it Florida the following year however.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: on Sat 04/08/2007 01:39:40
What makes you think you can't attend Gayry?
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Andail on Sat 04/08/2007 10:37:51
I think France is a good idea. Preferably in the south :)

I understand how doing stuff in time is a good thing, but AGS is also more than mittens. Let's relax for a bit and we'll start organising this when it's at least 2008.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Chrille on Sat 04/08/2007 10:56:38
I'd love to go to Rennes-Le-Chateau, or at least somewhere near so you can visit it for a day or something. That's almost as far south as you can get. Could be expensive though, both traveling and staying.

I'm interested in both France and Miami though.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: magintz on Sat 04/08/2007 11:33:29
I'm not going to have time off next summer.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: jetxl on Sat 04/08/2007 12:06:07
Aboot the location; What aboot Finland. Plenty of active forum members there, eh? (omg, the accent stuck to me)
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: AGA on Sat 04/08/2007 12:30:39
Yeah, and we should call it something clever like 'Lapaset'.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Nacho on Sat 04/08/2007 12:31:59
Rennes le Chateau sounds good, Chrille, but maybe the enviroment is going to be too weird 'cos, if I am not mistaken, it' s an esoterical place which inspired some chapters of DaVinci's code and all that... Maybe there are some places less known and more interesting, like Bergerac, in The Dordogne River.

And Jet, if you propose Finland as an easy place for the host to arrange the meeting, I don' t think that, nowadays, with internet telephones and stuff, it should be too difficult for AGA or someone else to preppair mittens in France.  :)
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: AGA on Sat 04/08/2007 12:39:09
France is extremely easy to organise a holiday in, it shouldn't be any problem at all. A native French person isn't really necessary.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Chrille on Sat 04/08/2007 12:54:02
Nacho, perhaps. Havn't read the DaVinci Code. I'm mostly interested in going since Gabriel Knight 3 takes place in Rennes Le Chateau and it seemed like a nice location.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: AGA on Sat 04/08/2007 13:21:41
It's apparently a big conspiracy theory/Templar history/general nutcase type place to go. Might be nice, but also could be packed with crazies. I'll see what I can find out.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Nacho on Sun 05/08/2007 07:01:23
Sure Chrille, I am not saying it is not a nice place... I just saying that my "feeling" is that there might be nicest places less "mediatised".  :)

Well, France is full of castles and medieval towns, I name myself AGA' s helper, I will browse the internet as well looking for nice medieval towns. Doesn' t "The Catars country" sound good, as well?  :)
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: LUniqueDan on Mon 06/08/2007 13:04:41
Yeah Renne's attracting weirdos of all the planet and The DVC was the last opus who make it a total tourist trap. Anyway there's nothing so interesting to see there : 1 small middle age church a strange small tower and some tombstone that you wont be able to see cuz' the 500 other tourists will hide it from your eyes.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Nacho on Mon 06/08/2007 13:18:42
Quote from: LUniqueDan on Mon 06/08/2007 13:04:41
Yeah Renne's attracting weirdos of all the planet and The DVC was the last opus who make it a total tourist trap. Anyway there's nothing so interesting to see there : 1 small middle age church a strange small tower and some tombstone that you wont be able to see cuz' the 500 other tourists will hide it from your eyes.

I had a simillar idea... been there? Thanks to corroborate my initial feeling.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: LUniqueDan on Mon 06/08/2007 14:01:40
Nope - never. Heard a lots of horror story, by history students back from vacations.

I'm just following the RLC phenomenon since the end of the 80's and it was already an hotspot for treasure hunters, Templars junkies and telleruric wave surfers. So, put on industrial-scale DVC organised tour...
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Monsieur OUXX on Mon 06/08/2007 14:45:27
Quote from: Nacho on Sun 05/08/2007 07:01:23
Doesn' t "The Catars country" sound good, as well?  :)

Yeah, the Cathar (i think there is an H) region is definitely the place to go if you want to see tons of medieval castles. There is an historic background of religious wars, lords wars in deep valleys and castles on high peeks, etc.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Nacho on Mon 06/08/2007 17:14:48
Quote from: Monsieur OUXX on Mon 06/08/2007 14:45:27
Yeah, the Cathar (i think there is an H) region is definitely the place to go if you want to see tons of medieval castles. There is an historic background of religious wars, lords wars in deep valleys and castles on high peeks, etc.

Not in Spanish, that' s why of the mistake... anyways, thanks :)
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Monsieur OUXX on Wed 08/08/2007 10:44:57
Quote from: Monsieur OUXX on Mon 06/08/2007 14:45:27
There is an historic background of religious wars, lords wars in deep valleys and castles on high peeks, etc.

By the way, if you read "the name of the rose", the Cathars are mentioned.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Miez on Wed 08/08/2007 12:40:24
I've been to Rennes le Chateau - it's a purdy place! ;D Not a whole lot of exciting things to actually do there, however. Oh, and I'd like to attend Mittens08 - wherever it's going to be...
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: on Wed 08/08/2007 13:14:27
Awesome!!
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: MillsJROSS on Sat 11/08/2007 00:27:41
Can't say I read every post, so if I'm out of the times, I apologize. I'd go to Miami, but I'd go for just a gloves, let alone a mittens. I'd also attend France, now that I have a real job, I can afford things.

-Justin
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: on Sat 11/08/2007 01:03:57
Ooooh Mills on the move! And to Europe too! I like the prospect :D
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Layabout on Sun 19/08/2007 17:25:47
Hi. Put my name down. France or Florida, I am pretty sure i would have the funds to attend the event. I vote senlis. It has a great kareoke bar.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Minimi on Mon 27/08/2007 22:57:00
Hey haven't been here in a while, but still would love to attend to a Mittens one day! If it's france, I'm seriously giving it a thought to attend!

heck! I haven't started AGS for a year on my computer! Am I still allowed to come? I'll bring my own blue cup ;)
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Tuomas on Tue 28/08/2007 00:42:33
I was thinking... and people tell me I spend more money than I make. But, if it so happens, that I was to postpone my civil service, I would most probably be spending that valuable time doing at work, with the prospect of sunny afternoons in France, a glass of Merlot in my hand, in my mind. Also, the more French speakers the merrier, right? Well, can't promise anything, but I'll try hard to be available if there's room then. for I've yet to experience le pays d'amour... if that's correct :)
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: on Tue 28/08/2007 01:26:42
lol Minimi..blast from the past ;) I think it'd be great if you went, and I think having it in France would bring out some more interesting AGS characters :D
Title: Re: Mittens 2008?
Post by: DutchMarco on Tue 28/08/2007 14:43:04
Both are OK in my book, but since France is so much closer, I'll  vote for that. I've never been to a Mittens before, so I'd vote for France for my firrst-ever Mittens.

BTW I take it that Mittens is just a gathering of AGS-geeks (like us) as an excuse to hang out with each other, right? Being so globally dispersed and brought together only by the internet, this kind of meeting was invented as a way for like-minded souls to get physically together and meet up. See who's behind the avatar.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: AGA on Tue 28/08/2007 22:03:23
Quote from: DutchMarco on Tue 28/08/2007 14:43:04BTW I take it that Mittens is just a gathering of AGS-geeks (like us) as an excuse to hang out with each other, right? Being so globally dispersed and brought together only by the internet, this kind of meeting was invented as a way for like-minded souls to get physically together and meet up. See who's behind the avatar.

Correct.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Pumaman on Tue 28/08/2007 22:15:53
Well, it depends what you mean by "get physically together".
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: on Tue 28/08/2007 23:05:41
& Cj is the best person to ask about that!!  ;)
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Matt Goble on Fri 31/08/2007 20:06:21
Quote from: m0ds on Tue 28/08/2007 23:05:41
& Cj is the best person to ask about that!!  ;)

What happens in Benidorm stays in Benidorm...

:-* ;)
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: on Fri 31/08/2007 22:46:17
LOL!  :-X
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Layabout on Sun 02/09/2007 02:23:09
how many people did you kiss that night mark?
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: AGA on Sun 02/09/2007 09:00:18
People? How many men did you kiss that night, Mark?
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: on Sun 02/09/2007 11:32:32
Sex :D I mean six ;)

LOL oh my homosexual times galore.

no regrets  :=

Im just glad I didn't see Farlander's penis (mittens 05) :p
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: LimpingFish on Sun 02/09/2007 20:12:27
The ritual buggery at Brittens '07 was a bit of a surprise.

Astonishing how fast people will adapt.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Becky on Mon 03/09/2007 16:18:31
I am expressing an interest on behalf of Adam and I.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Disco on Tue 04/09/2007 02:14:20
I suppose I should mention that I have asked for my sister's name to be added to the waiting list-


(http://www.lumpcity.co.uk/~disco/kayla-money.jpg)
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: ildu on Tue 04/09/2007 04:07:39
She looks like a million bucks!
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: DutchMarco on Tue 04/09/2007 17:28:29
Quote from: GarageGothic on Thu 02/08/2007 11:07:16
If we end up choosing France (or anywhere else in Europe), consider me a possible attendee.
Me too!
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: jetxl on Wed 05/09/2007 10:02:43
Quote from: AGA on Sun 02/09/2007 09:00:18
People? How many men did you kiss that night, Mark?


(http://www.grundislavgames.com/mittens04/medium_Dscf0052.jpg)
The suggestive camera never lies!

Quote from: Disco on Tue 04/09/2007 02:14:20
I suppose I should mention that I have asked for my sister's name to be added to the waiting list-


Your sister looks very familiar. I'd say I met her before, but that statement is so silly that it stirs up a spontanious laugh in me HAhah...ha.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: radiowaves on Tue 25/09/2007 20:36:51
In what season/month is the mittens going to be?
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: AGA on Thu 27/09/2007 14:43:44
July or August usually.
Title: Re: Mittens 2008: location debate
Post by: Sylvr on Mon 01/10/2007 03:32:29
Miami... definately easier for me to attend, but I don't know why I'm voicing my thoughts. I was annoyed with myself when I found out the 07 mittens was only an hour away from where I am now. Gah! So there's my half vote. Miami. Though I think you aren't taking votes anymore?