Hello, fellow Mitteneers! :-D
Mittens is going to take place in Portugal in this villa http://www.sol-domus.com/sintra-manor-house/ (http://www.sol-domus.com/sintra-manor-house/) from July 19th till July 26th.
Definite attendees
Disco (July 17th)
cat (July 19th 16:55 - 26th 16:45)
raeff (July 19th 16:55 - 26th 16:45)
AGA (July 19th 12:35 - 26th 20:05)
Arj0n (July 19th 13:45 - 26th 19:55)
Tamara (July 19th 13:45 - 26th 19:55)
Snarky (July 19th 11:55 - 26th 20:00)
Esseb (July 19th 10:10 - 26th 16:25)
MillsJROSS (July 19th 09:45 - 26th 12:35)
Andail (2014-07-21, 7.05 pm - 2014-07-25 7:05 am)
CJ (July 22nd 16:35 - 26th 16:10)
CJ's better half
violetnotpurple (July 17th)
DutchMarco (21:40)
Shown interest
bicilotti
LimpingFish
Radiant
Mods
Grundislav
Grim
Ascovel
Chicky
Miez
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Now is the time of the year, where many companies require their employees to plan their vacation days. So let's talk about next Mittens!
Last year we decided that next Mittens should be in a somewhat warmer place and we were talking about Croatia or Malta, also Portugal was mentioned as far as I remember.
What are your preferred times and locations this year?
AGA made a doodle poll, so vote for your favourite house:
http://doodle.com/gmpc8yqfpqkv3v9g (http://doodle.com/gmpc8yqfpqkv3v9g)
New poll: http://www.doodle.com/b2h88i2dxhu96hnb (http://www.doodle.com/b2h88i2dxhu96hnb)
Afghanistan - it should be warm enough and closer to my country, I can easily reach it within no time. :)
Aachen, Germany, so that I can finally make it to see you all!
Oh that's right. Man, I was just in Aachen over Christmas!
As for options, I think all of them would be nice. I'm a little less keen on Portugal, but not by much.
I've looked vaguely at Malta before, but it struck me as being (relatively) inaccessible, and hard to find suitable lodgings for so many people.
Croatia would be good though. Or Portugal, since I've never been to either.
Croatia is nice, but Portugal and Malta look nice too!
Does anyone have specific time constraints?
There seem to be plenty villas in Croatia that fit our needs, didn't check Malta or Portugal yet.
Quote from: bicilotti on Tue 07/01/2014 13:28:56
Does anyone have specific time constraints?
Yes, this year August will be difficult for me. I'd prefer June or July (which usually is also cheaper).
June is hard for me, July better. The end of July would be ideal.
I second July, and maybe this time I'll be able to make it (meeting just a few of you in real life during AdvX was surreal; it would probably be even better with more time to talk).
If we did it in July I could actually attend. Would the first time in years and years.
It'd have to be very late July or August for me.
I don't know yet when I'll be available over the summer, but Southern Europe is always nice to visit. Just plan something and I hope to be able to attend (it's been awhile for me, as well) but I can't promise anything right now.
For me end of July or August would be the best.
End of June/begin July will be hard for me.
I'm pretty flexible and could probably make it any time between June-August, maybe even early September.
Canada is lovely that time of year.
Portugal would be great but Croatia sounds just a bit more interesting to me. Depends on where we can find the best accomodations I suppose.
I am also flexible but would be better off with anytime after mid-June, but prefer closer to mid-summer.
Croatia sounds more interesting to me. I have no preference on month, yet.
Preferred time: 2nd half of July.
I took a look at some properties in Croatia and Portugal. There seem to be plenty of options available to our common group size. Some have good availability while others are nearly booked out.
The exact locations are something I overlooked as I am unfamiliar with Croatia, but I'm assuming most of the properties aren't too difficult to reach.
Any other ideas for locations?
Croatia
Location | Sleeps | Rent | Each | Deposit | Notes |
Villa Nichole (http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rental/p762810) | 14 | 4,060 EUR | 290 EUR | 500 EUR | |
Susnjevica Villa (http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rental/p3648738) | 14 | 2,370 EUR | 170 EUR | 300 EUR | |
Villa Moncitta (http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rental/p9440) | 15 | 2,795 GBP | 187 GBP | 20%(?) | Only available July 19 - 26 |
Zminj Villa (http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rental/p871792) | 15 | 2,800 EUR | 187 EUR | 300 EUR | Only available July 26 - August 2 |
Trget Villa (http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rental/p1083842) | 16 + 2 | 3,300 EUR | 184 EUR | 400 EUR | |
Villa Katarina (http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rental/p1054300) | 14 | 3,395-3,495 GBP | 243 - 250 GBP | 300 EUR | Available July 19 - August 2, will not rent to under-25s |
Vodnjan Villa (http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rental/p1200010) | 21 | 2,600-3,900 EUR | 124 - 186 EUR | 300 EUR | Available June 21 - July 19 |
Portugal
Location | Sleeps | Rent | Each | Deposit | Notes |
Viana do Castelo (http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rental/p82319) | 23 | 2,280 EUR | 100 EUR | ??? | A 4-star review mentions an inadequate kitchen for 18 |
Villa Cascais (http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rental/p84624?uni_id=1032418) | 18 | 4,500 - 4,800 EUR | 250 - 267 EUR | 650 EUR | Availability calendar is not maintained |
Ulgueira Farmhouse (http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rental/p515308vb) | 20 | 2,750 EUR | 138 EUR | ??? | Looks isometric |
Costa De Paiva (http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rental/p2153166) | 17 | 2,220 EUR | 124 EUR | ??? | |
Sesimbra Villa (http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rental/p854747) | 18 | 3,000 | 167 - 188 EUR (?) | ??? | May involve renting a nearby property for more than 16 |
Nice list! Out of interest, who speaks Croatian?
Other ideas = Holland, because we've talked about it for years, and because we have willing hosts for that land.
Cat and Bernhard have holidayed in Croatia, so I assume they were able to cope.
Quote from: Mods on Tue 21/01/2014 22:56:51
Other ideas = Holland, because we've talked about it for years, and because we have willing hosts for that land.
Well if it's in Holland (or any other part of the Netherlands ;)) I'll definately join. ;-D
Quote from: AGA on Tue 21/01/2014 23:55:55
Cat and Bernhard have holidayed in Croatia, so I assume they were able to cope.
Yeah, this shouldn't be a problem. And if we are going to Istria we can probably get along with Italian.
I've also had a look at various houses. I think we should aim for 18-20 people and either close to the beach or with a pool. However, it seems that most houses at the beach that would fit our group size are apartment houses. I think we need a large communal space and not several apartments with each a small kitchen and livingroom. I'll have a look and post some houses.
A pool is probably better than walking distance to the beach.
We can always commute a shortish distance to the closest beach one day or two, but lounging in/around a pool all week is a tradition by this point.
I agree, and tried avoiding any listings that said it was a collection ofr apartments. A decent sized kitchen is essential.
Also, a pool > proximity to a beach, but we should have little issue getting to the sea at some point from the looks of things.
Villa Katarina looks great, too bad it only sleeps 14. Dat view!!! Epic :o
The first and last one are also quite appealing, the first one especially for its communal areas and "whirlpool". Again only sleeps 14 tho. They all have some sort of charm (except for one of them which looks a bit bland), and one has pool table! Just my opinion on your list :) Alas, all but the last sleep under 20.
Anyone noticed how every time there's a mittens topic, certain specific mittens people just pop up out of the woodwork?
AGS needs you the other 51 weeks as well, damned cherry pickers!!
Just out of interest, has there ever been a Mittens in a country where none of the attendees were native or knew the native language? This is not supposed to be a criticism of Croatia as a place, I'm just wondering.
Ha, and what is it with everywhere having a Villa Katerina every year we look into this!!!
As for language - probably only...France? I think that was the only time we haven't had a native speaker with us, though a few people knew French well and the rest of us had a basic grasp of the language. In Greece only one person spoke Greek (Helm). I didn't understand a single thing whilst we were in Greece... In Sweden we had three maybe four natives? Spain would almost count, if we hadn't effectively holidayed in England in Spain, as only Farlander could speak English + Spanish - but again several knew the language and yeah, it was basically Britain so it wasn't tough... Italy could've gone the same way, but several non-Italians knew the language really well. The rest are pretty much English speaking destinations, and in Germany everyone seemed to know some (yourself included).
But that's why I ask. It does put on certain pressure on people who speak the language (if in this case only Cat and Bernhard) for them to do all the translating for all of us. That's why I asked originally, I just don't think it's so fair on people who perhaps want to enjoy a holiday and not be translators 24/7. This is usually fine with the natives, and perhaps it's fine with those who aren't native. But we really have no ties to Croatia other than it's been suggested and it looks quite nice. With what Berian says, this is going to fall on Cat and Bernhard - especially if it means meeting a Croatian person to pick up the keys etc. Unless of course someone from Croatia steps up, or there's a bunch of people who can speak it. I think it's worth considering how fair it would be to place that task on someone's head, and how many people can help with the language.
But yeah I'm not criticizing it either, I've heard people round here love Croatia and recommend it. But for practical reasons, with no natives, could make it a little difficult, or unfair on those who will have to do all the translating. But yeah that's not a "no way" just because of a lack of language abilities, just a bit of foresight.
Cat and Bernhard speak a bit of Croatian? Or am I misunderstanding you? :p
According to Berian they might, yes..
QuoteCat and Bernhard have holidayed in Croatia, so I assume they were able to cope.
edit oh and cat herself said
QuoteYeah, this shouldn't be a problem. And if we are going to Istria we can probably get along with Italian.
I thought they meant that you can get by okay with English in Croatia! :p
Oh, well I've no idea of that, though that wouldn't surprise me, some friends have been there and I can't imagine they speak any Croatian.
I don't speak any Croatian (except for "hvala") and neither does Bernhard. Also my neighbours go to Croatia every year for vacation and they didn't mentioned any difficulties. I think we will get along without problems, especially in touristy areas.
Quote from: Mods on Wed 22/01/2014 20:49:26
As for language - probably only...France? I think that was the only time we haven't had a native speaker with us
While not native, in France we had Ivy as a fluent speaker. About halfway though the grotte tour, she took over for the guide after they decided it would be simpler to hand Ivy the notes :P I think we managed nicely with the french we knew between us, and my only difficulty was trying to tell a clerk I wanted a baguette, but that only took a few seconds of pointing.
I didn't know what anyone was talking aboot in Canada, eh.
Quote from: Mods on Wed 22/01/2014 20:49:26
Spain would almost count, if we hadn't effectively holidayed in England in Spain, as only Farlander could speak English + Spanish
Hey! :angry:
You speak American, that doesn't count.
I had a quick look (don't be confused because of the German website)
This one looks very nice
http://www.fewo-direkt.de/ferienwohnung-ferienhaus/p264794t (http://www.fewo-direkt.de/ferienwohnung-ferienhaus/p264794t) 18 people, 3.839 â,¬
This seems to be the same house with different conditions:
http://www.novasol.at/p/CIL380 (http://www.novasol.at/p/CIL380)
A bit more rustic
http://www.fewo-direkt.de/ferienwohnung-ferienhaus/p2087078 (http://www.fewo-direkt.de/ferienwohnung-ferienhaus/p2087078) 21 people, 3.390 â,¬
More expensive
http://www.novasol.at/p/CIL945 (http://www.novasol.at/p/CIL945) 20 people, 5.320â,¬
Quote from: cat on Thu 23/01/2014 17:20:37
A bit more rustic
http://www.fewo-direkt.de/ferienwohnung-ferienhaus/p2087078 (http://www.fewo-direkt.de/ferienwohnung-ferienhaus/p2087078) 21 people, 3.390 â,¬
Lol, that was the ugliest villa I've ever seen.
I love it :)
I should have added this smiley :P
From Disco's Portugal villas Cascais and Sesimbra look nice, I think
Added a poll. Didn't give a multiple preferences option, since that will only end up resulting in a draw. Choose your favourite!
LOL. There seems to be an option missing, BERIANS MUMS HOUSE WITH SMELLY DOG!!
I'd love to go to Croatia or Portugal but I'm not too fond of the Netherlands (a week at a sunny pool is just much more appealing)
Quote from: Mods on Sun 26/01/2014 01:30:26
LOL. There seems to be an option missing, BERIANS MUMS HOUSE WITH SMELLY DOG!!
Both those dogs have been dead for like three years, so they're definitely smelly by now...
Yeah, I'm also pretty un-keen on the Netherlands (for Mittens â€" I'm all for it in general). Sun and warmth is the thing!
Please also take into account that most Dutch villas are in a rural area, about 2h with public transport from the nearest airport with non frequent busses (once an hour). You will be far away from big cities like Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Utrecht or The Hague. Swimming pools are also not that common and the chance is quite big that it's too rainy/cold to swim.
It's also a lot more expensive than the other two options (supermarkets, trips, activities, etc.).
This is a Dutch site with options, but I like them less than the Croatia/Portugal ones:
http://www.grote-vakantiehuizen.com/search
I'm all for the Netherlands, although I doubt that I can make it this year :~(
Quote from: abstauber on Mon 27/01/2014 14:52:27
...although I doubt that I can make it this year :~(
:(
D'oh! Still mowing that lawn, Dirk? ???
I'm not committing in or out but did spend a few hours yesterday following up Ken's lists, looking through websites for myself and stuff. When you get down to the details I have to admit Croatia and Portugal are really low on my desirable list, esp if trying to accommodate 20 people with any kind of ease.
So who is likely to drive, because hire cars look extremely necessary for either Portugal or Croatia. Can't imagine anyone would drive (from home) to either place? The big group options for Croatia are rapidly declining (in availability), and I have to say, they don't seem to have a very good grasp on accommodating large groups. Portugal looks like it'll be a lot of hot tiring travel to get to anywhere we want to be. Same for Croatia, the venues are really far from the airports. I also found it hard to find any flights into Croatia (from the UK) but I guess that's a basic judgement without knowing dates.
So IMHO, Croatia and Portugal just don't seem practical. Have you folks anything different if you've looked into it? None of the villas appear to be along any major rail routes or anything. I think it's best to choose somewhere on a practical basis (now that I'm getting older, lol), not just, book there, now try and get there. If I knew there was a 10 hour bus ride involved I'd probably just go to Cornwall instead ;) But that's how I see Mittens nowadays, like people saw tents being out of the question, I think ridiculous travel arrangements are also along that line these days. Just my view tho...
Germany, people could drive from all around and the transport connections were A+. Netherlands, we can all reach easy as pie for cheap and move around with ease, and again drivers. In fact go back several years and there hasn't been the desire to go somewhere quite as remote as Croatia. Why this time? :P Don't get me wrong, I wish one of those Croatian villas would just stand out, but once you've looked through them, and realize only one of them is available, and it's not even a very nice place or easy to reach, it makes you wonder... are we making the right choice? I realize it's early days... but if all these places are booked already... we do need to get thinking!
Perhaps Mittens has come along far enough where we can just enjoy finding somewhere easy to reach that just meets our requirements? We want sun and pool, to relax, and hundreds of places offer that. Ultimately there's no reason to go to somewhere (ie Croatia) anymore just to notch up a new destination "woz 'ere" for Mittens is there? As we know, we're not going there to meet anyone, to big up the AGS croatia crew or anything (is there one?).
For example, what about Tenerife? Easy for everyone to get to, cheap travel, sun, pool, ocean views, big villas that actually want to accommodate big groups, likely taxi from airport to villa etc... Like this one, with an INFINITY POOL! http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rental/p109825tr#summary
or these
http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rental/p1100968
http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rental/p50915tr
Much less expensive than Croatia, mod cons, easy to reach by rental car, plane etc. Some night life, chance to explore some island etc. or Corfu?
http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rental/p1238125
or some other island or something? Just somewhere with a tad more options and travel connections?
Maybe you guys have some other ideas, but I think it's worth everyone interested looks into the Croatia stuff and considers how we might actually get there (and of course, finding a villa that is actually available and can support our large number?). Also the drivers aspect. Will we have CJ? I for one won't drive in Cro/Portugal (sorry) but I would somewhere like Tenerife (where there's only one road, LOL). But then perhaps, numbers will decline and one of the say 14 people locations could be booked. In honesty, I'm about 15% interested in Croatia at this point, and 10% interested in Portugal, especially after looking into all the villas on offer, the location, travel arrangements etc. I'll go on an easy Mittens holiday, not one with hot, bothersome traveling etc to tiny remote place I doubt. Just my thoughts, like I say, not committing either way at this point :)
Tenerife? How very English of you. For me Mittens is about more than lazing around in the sun by the pool, so a bit of travelling really doesn't put me off at all. To me, Croatia sounds a lot more interesting than anywhere else mentioned so far. And price doesn't really matter, no Mittens is every particularly expensive.
Oh, and CJ is almost guaranteed to come if it's Croatia, but a lot less likely anywhere else.
Then we need to get a rough figures of numbers immediately, like I say, there's literally only one villa available (http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rental/p1083842) in Croatia at the moment for any group size over 14. And I looked on various other sites other than Ken's list, and they all have the same villas, and a few other ones that are already booked throughout July and August. Or you or someone else needs to find some further options pretty soon :) High season, place of high demand, place that doesn't provide many group options... Who are we looking at? Time to get our likely list I guess...?
Bicilotti also mentioned Malta. I have to agree on that one!!
likely for CROATIA
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AGA
Cat + Bernhard
Arjon + Tamara
Esseb
Disco
Snarky
CJ + 1
(10)
shown interest
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bicilotti
Andail
Mods
Grim
Abstauber + Christina
DKH
Grundislav?
MillsJRoss
Radiant
(10)
location specific
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Adeel
Ghost
Wyz
(3)
Total: 23
And yes, pretty British. If a small group makes it easier for people to holiday in Croatia, I'm happy to stand back so that you could get a nice 12-14 people spot (there are plenty of those and many still available) & hold a Brittens for those that can't make it. In Tenerife ;) There was one option of two adjoined villas, both with pools, both part of the package but seperated with a bush and fence and appeared to be in the middle of an estate somewhere, but I can't find that link, that seemed like an okay alternative for supporting a large group. Again, there was only one option I could find across the whole interwebs.
Main point is, it looks like there won't be ANYWHERE to go in Croatia as a single group above 14 if some decisions aren't made soon.
I chose Croatia by lack of other choice, Tenerife and Malta are very nice options!
Quote from: Mods on Mon 27/01/2014 17:07:55
Then we need to get a rough figures of numbers immediately, like I say, there's literally only one villa available (http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rental/p1083842) in Croatia at the moment for any group size over 14.
I posted some villas that still seem to be available (ok, one of them is ugly :P). I agree though, that we shouldn't wait too long until booking.
If it is in Croatia, we will definitely drive (having 4 free spots), but flight options might be limited indeed. The Portugal options seem to be close to Lisbon with an international Airport and rental cars, so no problem here. If we are going to Tenerif we would need a rental car as well, so this is not a valid point for me.
Quote from: cat on Mon 27/01/2014 17:46:36
I agree though, that we shouldn't wait too long until booking.
True
Quote from: cat on Mon 27/01/2014 17:46:36If it is in Croatia, we will definitely drive (having 4 free spots), but flight options might be limited indeed.
Croatia sound OK to me. I have really no idea though if the public transportation is alright (also for traveling between airport and the villa). Can you say something about that Cat?
(Edit: in germany it was nice having the tram that close to be able to go somewhere)
And, sorry for kicking an open door probably ;), it would probably be nice too if the villa comes with bikes and if if the location is 'near' some nice cities/villages, to go see things
(and/or having the ability to go out for a diner or something) and for those who wants to go do some activities in the area (think canoing, bowling, mini-golf, whatever)
I think Portugal would work, especially if it's close to the capital so we can combine city stuff with lazy stuff, as we did at Berlin.
It looks like Croatia isn't too practical for so many people, especially if the transport links aren't so good.
I will say that last year was one of only two Mittens I remember that had bikes. Probably not a good idea to only be searching for locations that can fit so many people, and also have bikes!
For Portugal, I've found some interesting places:
http://www.waytostay.com/lisbon-apartments/avenida-terrace-6720/
Available 19 u/I 27th July, 3,468.00. About half an hour from Lisbon Airport
http://www.waytostay.com/lisbon-apartments/angola-ii-9291/?arrivalDate=2014-07-19&departureDate=2014-07-27&numberOfPeople=20&city=33
Available 19 u/I 27th July, 3,831.84. About half an hour from Lisbon Airport
They don't have a swimming pool, but it's in Lisbon, so there should be plenty to do and there seems to be a beach nearby.
I also looked at plenty other options (both via Faro airport as Lisbon Airport), but they all seem not to be reachable via public transport (checked via maps.google.com)
Public Transport in Lisbon seems to be quite good (similar to Germany)
Since Croatia seems not to be practical for so many people, this may be a realistic villa/location.
I'd like to change my vote to Portugal.
What do you think of it?
Honestly, I don't think an appartment is a good idea. There should be at least some kind of private garden so I think a house is a must.
I'm not sure if public transport is really that important, there wasn't much in Italy either. An airport is necessary which is probably difficult in Croatia.
I think neither Croatia nor Portugal, Tenerif or the Netherlands (according to Tamara) offer lots of public transport in rural areas (where houses of our size usually are). Are there strong opinions against renting cars?
I can't drive, but I'm happy to pay my share to be driven around!
You're right about that Cat, didn't think of that.
If rental cars are an option, maybe this is too.
Didn't check it in detail yet, but 'castle' sounds interesting. Up to 24 persons.
http://www.homeaway.co.uk/p2089254
Personally I prefer not to be a driver of a rental car, but I think it's also a good option.
Arjon doesn't mind to drive though.
But what will be the definitive choice?
I think it's good to pinpoint at least a country as soon as possible.
With rental cars the options of Mods and Bici are also a possibility
I would be a bit nervous, though not completely against sharing driving duties. Mostly it is the preference for manual transmissions (which I am over ten years out of practice on) in Europe that deter me.
As for location, I voted Portugal in the poll, but am open to other ideas. One idea I just had is a return to Spain. Sure, we spent 2006 there, but that was our last year "roughing it", before we turned to villas, so it would be an entirely different experience. We could (please! :P) stay somewhere other than Benidorm, and the number of villas there outnumber almost anywhere else on these sites.
I am of course all up for new places, but revisiting different places in former locations is still a good option.
Thoughts?
I'm completely with Mods on this one. Please forgive me for speaking freely but it has come to my attention that Mittens is becoming more of a holiday trip rather then a community meeting. I know I have no seniority on this but personally I don't mind the circumstances but rather would enjoy the company of fellow AGSers. I don't mind having no pool (although it would be nice)l, heck I'd even sleep in a tent if that means we could all hang; but I do mind when it is simply too hard for me to get there.
You can just book a trip to Croatia if you'd like to see that country and still go to Mittens right? Or is that it really part of Mittens now that it should be in a unique place?
Oh well, just my two cents.
Mittens has never really been about meeting AGS users, whether that was the original plan or not. It's always been about cool people, who happen to have a shared interest in adventure games, hanging out together for a week; most of the time we barely talk about AGS or adventure games. AdventureX is what you want if you want more of a game dev related thing, Mittens is more about a group of friends (new people included!) getting away once a year.
Anyway, it looks like most people are agreed Croatia is unlikely for various reasons.
If July is set in stone you can remove me from the maybe list and put me in the definitely list. Now whether my better half will come too is less certain...
I would probably prefer Croatia, but I'm totally fine with any of the suggestions - I love Amsterdam and Dutch people in general and Portugal seems really nice too - so whatever results in more people wanting to come I'm down with that.
I'm also an experienced driver and don't mind driving minivans or whatever, manual transmissions or not.
There will of course be Dutch people there regardless of where it is. I can't do anything before mid July, which is obviously the most important thing. So mid - late July it must be!
http://www.ownersdirect.co.uk/portugal/P2268.htm?src=LS <- this one looks cool. Nice facilities (both types of pool!), 2 hours from Lisbon, 30 minutes from Faro airport. Pretty close to the ocean too, for the beach lovers.
Some other options:
http://www.ownersdirect.co.uk/portugal/P600.htm?src=LS
http://www.ownersdirect.co.uk/portugal/P15306.htm?src=LS
http://www.ownersdirect.co.uk/portugal/P2415.htm?src=LS
Each seems to be at least potentially available.
As people have said, bookings are going very quickly, so we need to make a decision NOW.
All of them look great! Let's pick one of those!
Quote from: AGA on Tue 28/01/2014 12:59:17
There will of course be Dutch people there regardless of where it is.
There will? :grin:
As I said before, my first criteria is time. If it's mid July or earlier I will definitely not be able to make it. Late July is a maybe and later is a go as far as time is concerned. Second criteria is the location, it's unlikely I will be able to afford plane tickets to Portugal or Croatia on top of all other expenses, even with cheap airlines. Personally, I also believe that an accessible location for almost everybody is better than a more far out place where much fewer people can make it to, but that's just my opinion, doesn't have to 'influence' anything. I will confirm that I take part or not once a time and location is set.
Quote from: Radiant on Wed 29/01/2014 12:59:03
Quote from: AGA on Tue 28/01/2014 12:59:17
There will of course be Dutch people there regardless of where it is.
There will? :grin:
You're not the only Dutchie out there!
dkh, we already have 19 people showing an interest. Given the way Mittens works, regardless of the location we will never suit everyone's wants, and a lot of those people won't make it (and others will who haven't yet expressed an interest). We've had like 35 people provisionally show an interest before, but that eventually worked down to something like 22. People who are open to any options (and have the relevant funding) like myself and CJ are unfortunately the only people who manage to make it [almost] every year.
That's cool. As I said, you guys decide and then I'll see if I'll make it! Would probably help if we get a (more) realistic number of people who want to and can make it to Portugal though to start? I'm a (most likely) no!
Quote from: Tamara on Mon 27/01/2014 21:08:27
Didn't check it in detail yet, but 'castle' sounds interesting. Up to 24 persons.
http://www.homeaway.co.uk/p2089254
Much as I like the sound of a luxury castle w/ wedding chapel, helicopter landing pad and...
QuoteOnsite Services:
Chauffeur
Concierge
Massage
Private Chef
Staff
Attractions:
library
autumn foliage
churches
restaurants
theme parks
waterfalls
water parks
winery tours
pond
cinemas
ruins
marina
playground
... â,¬7,500 per week might be a bit steep. :-D
Quote from: AGA on Wed 29/01/2014 11:28:34
http://www.ownersdirect.co.uk/portugal/P2268.htm?src=LS <- this one looks cool. Nice facilities (both types of pool!), 2 hours from Lisbon, 30 minutes from Faro airport. Pretty close to the ocean too, for the beach lovers.
Some other options:
http://www.ownersdirect.co.uk/portugal/P600.htm?src=LS
http://www.ownersdirect.co.uk/portugal/P15306.htm?src=LS
http://www.ownersdirect.co.uk/portugal/P2415.htm?src=LS
Each seems to be at least potentially available.
As people have said, bookings are going very quickly, so we need to make a decision NOW.
Well, if we genuinely are ~24 people, only the last one works. But of course experience is that a number of people drop out during planning. Still, I think we should look at something for 18 at least. I'd support any of the last three. If we pick something in Algarve, I might potentially drive from Malaga and could therefore provide a car for the week (though that's contingent on getting my license renewed by then).
Just wanted to inform you of some precautions you'll need to take if you do come to Portugal. Portuguese authorities are very strict concerning the more relaxed behaviours of other European countries. You will go to jail if you cross some laws. But that's nothing compared to what they do to us: testicles removed!
Spoiler
- no funny cross gender looks:
A man shall proudly show a full grown moustache;
Women do not use short hair, piercings or even sunglasses;
- you must smoke tobacco, if you don't then it's time to start. We're a nation of smokers and it's gonna stay like that!
- Men do not touch other men at all (except for shaking hands and harm-wrestle);
- Your manhood will be questioned if you drive sober;
- Always make sexist commentaries about everything you see;
- If a local farts, respect!
:-D:-D:-D
Actually no, I live 30 minutes from Vilamoura and know the town well. It's a tourist place and has been for the past 40 years so people are more than used to foreigners. There's a nice Marina, pubs and discos and the beach is not far. There's really nothing else to see but I guess you're looking for the sun and relaxed time.
Any info you may need about the area just ask.
The favourite place I posted houses 16, which I thought was a fair estimate given the current interest (19 who would attend assuming it wasn't only taking place in their home countries...). Maybe I'll post another poll later, and send out a message to all previous Mittens attendees to draw their attention.
miguel, how good is Vilamoura for access to other places (Lisbon or Faro, for instance) that may have more of interest?
Quote from: DoorKnobHandle on Wed 29/01/2014 13:06:18
Second criteria is the location, it's unlikely I will be able to afford plane tickets to Portugal or Croatia on top of all other expenses, even with cheap airlines. Personally, I also believe that an accessible location for almost everybody is better than a more far out place where much fewer people can make it to, but that's just my opinion, doesn't have to 'influence' anything. I will confirm that I take part or not once a time and location is set.
People come from all over Europe and hopefully even from America. So no matter where Mittens will take place, almost everyone will have to come by plane.
All houses that AGA posted look nice. Tamara's castle looks great but it is way above our price limit. We should also consider the houses Disco has posted here http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=49800.msg636479067#msg636479067 (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=49800.msg636479067#msg636479067)
This one that Berian posted in Vale Covo has my vote! http://www.ownersdirect.co.uk/portugal/P15306.htm?src=LS
Added a poll. Possibly not the most sensible way of doing it, but let's see.
Taking a closer look at this, the villa seems to be in a neighbourhood similar to the house in Ireland and far away from Lisbon.
None the less, it looks nice enough to hang around there for a week!
Ignore the poll, that was a silly idea. Let's try a
Doodle poll (http://doodle.com/gmpc8yqfpqkv3v9g)
instead, that'll cover the various options more fairly.
Ok, I'll write a few thoughts about each house:
1) A bit off from Lisbon, but this house seems to have the nicest communal areas, shops and restaurants are close, might be a bit expensive
2) Also far from Lisbon, large communal BBQ area, not sure how close shops and restaurants are
3) Also far from Lisbon, looks very nice, I don't see any large communal area for all to sit down, shops in 5min driving distance
4) I think it looks ugly
5) Very far from Lisbon and neither house nor pool appeal to me
6) Close to Lisbon, but this seems to be one villa that shares the pool with other houses?
7) Close to Lisbon, but I'm not sure what to think of this - which part of this huge estate is rented here?
8) Far away from Lisbon, I don't see any large communal area and the house doesn't appeal to me
9) Close enough to Lisbon, looks nice, several commnual areas, very nice location but not sure if there are shops or restaurants in walking distance. Make sure we get to rent the whole house, not only one or two floors, than this is my favourite so far. Pool with sea view FTW!
I guess numbers are the main concern at this point. Some places would be preferable, but obviously if there are 20+ of us we'll have to discount the smaller houses.
Yes, but being far and/or hard to reach from Lisbon could be a dealbreaker for some people.
There are airports in Porto and Faro too of course. Not idea how accessible they are from some countries, but still an option!
I agree that getting around and having close amenities is important, but proximity to Lisbon is less-so.
From wikiTravel:
QuoteThe Alpha Pendular - a high-speed train, runs at least twice a day to and from Lisbon. About 2,5 hours, â,¬20 one way, â,¬25 on first class. The Inter City trains run more frequently but take a little longer, with more stops - about 3.5 to 4 hours.
This may prove worthwhile not only for a day trip activity but also if flying to Faro ends up more trouble for some people.
http://wikitravel.org/en/Algarve
It sounds like there might be a little more going on there than it looks like from satellite images. If we don't have an issue with cars, enjoying the rural while being not too far from civilisation seems possible here.
I just checked into flights to three different airports from London to get an idea (for at least some of us :P) on return fares. These are what I found today for July 19 - 26. I mostly found Monarch and TAP airlines, along with a few easyJet, but those involved out-of-the-way airports.
Lisbon: 256 USD 155 GBP
Faro: 360 USD 218 GBP
Porto: 276 USD 167 GBP
Yeah, but when I checked getting to Faro from various other European airports (Stockholm, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Zurich, etc.), most of these flights were twice as expensive as to Lisbon, and often involved a stopover there. (If you're flying from Brussels you're good, though.)
I'm a maybe at this point. It all depends on my financial situation this summer, but I don't care where it is, although Portugal interests me more than Croatia. I'm fine with either.
Quote from: AGA on Wed 29/01/2014 13:37:15
The favourite place I posted houses 16, which I thought was a fair estimate given the current interest (19 who would attend assuming it wasn't only taking place in their home countries...). Maybe I'll post another poll later, and send out a message to all previous Mittens attendees to draw their attention.
miguel, how good is Vilamoura for access to other places (Lisbon or Faro, for instance) that may have more of interest?
Sorry, didn't see this post before.
From Faro Airport to Vilamoura is pretty close. You can even get a taxi if you're okay with money.
To Lisbon, there's the train like someone posted here and buses as well. It's a 3 hour journey more or less.
Like I said, Vilamoura is okay for the sun but Lisbon is completely different regarding things to see. I'd choose Lisbon (or Porto) always, but that's me who lives pretty near Vilamoura and know all the Algarve.
I would love to go to Portugal- have heard wonderful things about it!
But please do take one with pool!
AS for the time - needn't be in the middle of ummer (hot + pricey) as I don't have any school going children I want to take with me. (or which I want leave at home, FTM)
The date isn't really up for discussion anymore. And Mittens is always in the summer!
So villa #s 1, 3, and 9 seem like the most popular on the Doodle poll. 2 is up there too. 4-8 got a lot of "No" and "If need be" votes. Should we pare down the list a bit as a result?
#1 and #3 are slightly less than 7 km apart, so either location will involve flying to Faro or a train from Lisbon.
#9 is 50 km from Lisbon airport, so should hopefully not be too difficult to arrange mass transport.
I am still hoping for #3 :D It is the only one on the list with 100% approval, and it appears to genuinely accommodate 18 persons. #9 says "sleeps 18" on the sidebar, but the description says "up to 16".
Looks like we have a winner! Everybody seems to be happy with villa 3.
If we go to villa 3, we should definitely go from 19th, since it's getting much more expensive afterwards (£2750 vs £3749).
Quote from: cat on Sun 02/02/2014 17:45:14
Looks like we have a winner! Everybody seems to be happy with villa 3.
One of my favorites of the doodle list.
Plus a nice pool with heating (nod)
I went ahead and emailed the owners of #3 and got a fast response. The property is available from July 19th to 26th at the rate of 2,750 GBP. It turns out that this is the ONLY week left this summer. We need to act fast.
I asked for an official rate including everything before posting back here. There are a few extras like internet (25 GBP) and air conditioning (250 GBP) and pool heating (250 GBP).
Pool heating seems unnecessary, but air conditioning may be a good option depending on what everyone's preferences are. I can't remember if we've had air conditioning in the past, besides Florida maybe? Should we opt for it? or live without?
33% of the total is required as a down payment, then the remainder 60 days ahead of check in (May 20th).
While I am waiting to hear back officially, based on the rate, deposit, and internet I came up with 3,275 GBP, which is 182 GBP each if we have 18. 27.77 is the individual damage deposit, so it works out to nearly 155 GBP after that is returned. If we decide to go with air conditioning, it will add almost 14 GBP each.
What does everyone think of the extras? Should we go for internet and/or air conditioning?
All fine by me.
QuoteThank you for your reply and that is great news that you would like to proceed to book property ref: 1717265.
I will contact the owner to secure your dates and as I soon as I receive their confirmation (this may be tomorrow morning) I will forward you your booking confirmation invoice email complete with internet and A/C costs.
This link I was given has larger and more photos of the property than the Owner's Direct version, as well as a more up-to-date booking calendar:
http://www.travelopo.com/property/1717625
Go for working Internet please. Air conditioning sounds like a necessity, but then I think anything more than 25C is too warm.
Google Maps satellite view: http://goo.gl/maps/7wsrk
Looks like there's an oddly shaped garden in the front of the house that's not in any of the pictures on www.ownersdirect.co.uk/portugal/P15306.htm.
Edit: Gotta love a rental house with that many CRT screens.
Bagsy a bed to myself! And a room, if numbers allow!
More than 25c is indeed excessive, Esseb.
Quote from: Disco on Sun 02/02/2014 20:31:52
Should we go for internet and/or air conditioning?
Internet & air conditioning sound good to us (me & tamara)
Yeah I looked at that front garden on Street View, and it looked like an incredibly inviting place to just hang out under the tree. It is blocked in by a little stone fence too. I am going to declare that area the Erana's Peace of this Mittens.
Quote from: AGA on Sun 02/02/2014 20:55:08
Bagsy a bed to myself! And a room, if numbers allow!
I'm afraid that bagsying is most likely not an option this trip :P You are welcome to bagsy a single bed in a twin room though! What is your toilet routine like?
Bagsy a room with a double bed ;-D
I'm all for internet and aircondition, though my preferred temperature would be more like 27° :P.
We can pay our full amount as soon as the villa is booked. Seems like you are going to do the organizing again, Disco? This would be very kind of you, you deserve the title Mittens Organizer!
Edit:
I did a bit of research on public transport. From the Lisbon Airport it's a 10 minute subway ride to Lisbon Oriente station, from where the southbound trains leave. There seem to be four trains a day to Boliqueime which seems to be the closest train station to the villa (about 3km). They all require changing to a local train at Albufeira-Ferreiras (alternatively we could take a taxi from there). The train to Albufeira takes about 3h and costs 20â,¬ oneway.
So I'd say it's fairly possible to go by public transport. However, we would need at least one car for going shopping and stuff.
Portugese railway: http://www.cp.pt/cp/homeTimetable.do (http://www.cp.pt/cp/homeTimetable.do)
Lisbon metro: http://www.metrolisboa.pt/eng/ (http://www.metrolisboa.pt/eng/)
The property manager contacted the owners and was informed the property is now booked out :( she did give me an alternative listing that looks worthwhile though. Sorry to add yet another property, but we should look into it at least:
http://www.travelopo.com/property/2126427
In the meantime, I shall do the initial contact with this property and also see about #9, if they can accept 18.
Awwwww, just when I figured out the public transport (previous post) :~(
Quote from: Disco on Mon 03/02/2014 14:03:01
http://www.travelopo.com/property/2126427
This does not seem to have an appropriate communal area inside, but the BBQ place looks nice.
Quote from: Disco on Mon 03/02/2014 14:03:01
In the meantime, I shall do the initial contact with this property and also see about #9, if they can accept 18.
Do we actually have numbers? How many people would come to Portugal?
I would hit both, see what responses we get at least. If they're both free, go with the cheapest / most convenient!
As for numbers, nine people answered the poll, but something like 18 have expressed an interest in this thread. I'm sure more will come out of the woodwork over the coming months though, some responding to the PM I sent and the banner.
Quote from: cat on Mon 03/02/2014 14:34:24
http://www.travelopo.com/property/2126427
This does not seem to have an appropriate communal area inside, but the BBQ place looks nice.
Yeah this place doens't seem to ideal after noticing there are several small kitchen areas and one larger one, also the property is one large structure, but seems segmented a bit with different entrances.
I was given another suggestion by the manager, but did not link it because it was two adjacent properties, but looks like there are plenty of communal areas. Has an indoor pool though :S:
http://www.travelopo.com/property/2035854
Having a separate accommodation area wouldn't be the end of the world I guess, however less ideal. We might need to put aside stuff like that at this point. It worked in France and in Italy with minimal issues.
Do we really want an indoor pool? Although I have to agree that the property looks magnificent.
Thinking about it, do we actually need a large inside community area? According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faro,_Portugal#Climate) it's going to be pretty hot, so a large table outside in the shadow might even be preferable.
May I ask what you didn't like about house #2 in the Doodle? Is there something we didn't notice or is it just personal preference?
My only issue with it at the time was that is was 5 separate properties. I'll contact them though. The communal areas are good enough that we should all have an easy time socialising. My only concern is finding a place indoors. We can probably rearrange some areas for the week though. I will contact them right now.
Sorry for all the confusion and linking a new property every few posts, but just seeing which ones bite first before I collect everything in a single organised post.
EDIT: I will post all property inquiries here! Sorry that some are not from the list. They are new suggestions offered for our group size when I make submit queries.
The owners of Villa Cipreste (#9) say they can only accommodate 16 people despite listing themselves as 18.
AVAILABLE JULY 19 TO 26
Sintra Manor House (http://www.sol-domus.com/sintra-manor-house/) is available for 3,400 EUR plus 500 EUR security deposit. It is 40 minutes from Lisbon airport. <PHOTOS> (https://plus.google.com/photos/116678220808685603113/albums/5638799392079984353)
Quinta da Foz (http://www.sol-domus.com/quinta-da-foz/) Inquiry sent. Very spacious private property consisting of three buildings. 1 hour from Lisbon airport. <PHOTOS> (https://plus.google.com/photos/116678220808685603113/albums/5484511175052147745)
Indoor Pool Villa (http://www.travelopo.com/property/2035854) Available for 2,978 GBP for up to 20 people (actual price is in Euros but for some reason only quoted in approximate Sterling). 33% down and remainder 60 days prior to arrival. Indoor swimming (:-\). Pool table. No lack of common areas. Owner's apartment is on the first floor of the main house, but is separate.
Villa in Alcantarilha (http://www.travelopo.com/property/2126427) Available for 2,419 GBP. This property is also priced in Euros but quoted only in Sterling. Personally, not a fan of this property but we need options!
AVAILABLE FROM JULY 12 TO 19
Villa in Barrio (http://www.travelopo.com/property/2104999) is available for 1,995 GBP. This property is in the far north of Portugal, and will involve either a hefty drive from Lisbon, or flying to Porto. This property is just under an hour drive from that airport.
5 Cottages (#2) (http://www.ownersdirect.co.uk/portugal/P600.htm) 2,950 GBP. Exclusive use of all communal areas and the pool. 25% required to book. Remainder 8 weeks prior to arrival. Did not mention damage deposit in email.
Hiring a private coach from Lisbon Airport is 795 EUR to Ponte de Lima 8-0
12th July would be awkward. Something from 19 July or later would be much preferable. Let's see what responses the other places come back with!
Same for me and Arj0n...
How non-negotiable are these 12th to 19th dates?
Sintra Manor House doesn't look too bad. It's very close to Lisbon with lots of restaurants in walking distance and there is also a train station, we wouldn't even need cars. Despite the questionable design of the bedrooms this is also a scenic location. Also the pricing system makes it more flexible regarding the number of people.
*sigh* we're officially out, but it has nothing to do with lawn moving.
It's more a reproduction related thing ;)
You're not supposed to sigh about reproduction related things (either the doing, or the results :P)! Congratulations!
Quote from: abstauber on Tue 04/02/2014 07:37:02
It's more a reproduction related thing ;)
Cools, grats ;)
Congratz Dirk!
12th really would be awkward for me.
I thought we already opted for 19-26 as ideal period?
Man, I wish I could join. But southeast Asia is too too far. Xd
hey, thanks! Well, to miss the once-in-a-year chance to meet you all is a thing to sigh and sob about.
..maybe I should start working on games to not loose contact :cheesy:
Wow, congratulations Dirk and Christina! Sorry that I won't see you guys two years in a row, but this is great news :D
If Mitteneers continue to insist on reproducing, against all laws of god and nature, we might have to introduce some sort of Mittens crèche, and eventually an associated kids' summer camp. I imagine it as something much like Psychonauts.
(http://i.imgur.com/TyP9jYI.png)
Congratulations and good luck, Dirk & Christina!
LOOK!! (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=49800.msg636480007#msg636480007)
I'm still waiting to hear back from the Quinta da Foz property and the bus company, Frota Azul. As of this post, we have three properties available from July 19 to 26, and two from 12 to 19 (Saturday the 12th specifically poses a problem for some). Any thoughts on these properties?
EDIT:
I quite like the Sintra Manor House.
A coach really isn't the best option, given having cars during the week would be far preferable, for shopping and day trip purposes.
An indoor pool might actually be a good idea given the beating Mediterranean sun, so Indoor Pool Villa would be fine for me. All the options from 19th are fine for me though!
Yeah, basically in agreement, Disco. So far Sintra MH looks like the best option for the week of the 19th. Aside from that, I'd rather have an outdoor pool, but if not possible it's not a dealbreaker.
One concern from looking at a few of the photos: Is there a trick of perspective, or are the Portuguese tiny little toy people? Some of those beds (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-OHZUalAuNFk/TkEKmb9PgvI/AAAAAAAAR1U/O92n_HWXtrc/s1600/IMG_1677.JPG) look well under 2m long.
Yeah, I agree. The bus idea was meant for some of the further out places. I had assumed we could rent cars locally.
After further reading between my top two choices, I have decided to put my vote 100% behind the Sintra house. It is less than 1km from the historic centre of Sintra, and there is a tram that can take us to nearby Praia das Maçãs. Additionally, it is one contiguous chalet and from what I can tell from the description, the owner does not live on premises.
EDIT:
That single 387 km journey is priced at 795 EUR, or about 45 euros each. It was worth checking! :P
I'm all for Sintra. It is the most accessible house with a train station (about 1 hour public transport! from the airport) and infrastructure close by, there is lots of stuff to do around, and it's also not very expensive. If we can sort out that bed issue...
The Lisbon area also seems to be the best climate wise - not as hot as the south and not as cold and rainy as the north.
Should we make a new poll?
Doodle Poll Part II (http://www.doodle.com/b2h88i2dxhu96hnb)
Can't open the photo's on my mobile phone, but out of tge description I like Sintra most too.
Although every 19th-26th option would be good for me.
Let's book asap before they're gone too!
I really dig the Sintra Manor House
Thanks for the effort, Disco! (nod)
Quinta da Foz has a rocking horse, but I went with Sintra Manor House also.
Congrats Dirk and Christina!
Edit: All the photos of the swimming pool and garden are taken from inside. Is it really the neighbour's? Suspicious!
We have been given provisional booking of the Sintra Property for 3 days while we come up with the initial payment of 680 EUR. They are asking me to do a bank transfer, which I am unable to do from my US account. I asked if they can accept Paypal, since that is how we will all do our own payments, but have not heard back at this moment.
I may need someone else to step in and handle the payment if it turns out they cannot accept Paypal.
EDIT:QuotePaylpal is possible, but only one payment, as this payment has a surcharge of 3.5% of the total amount.
My advise is, if you want to pay via paypal, it is better to transfer all the money to one of your groups accounts, and then one person makes the payment.
Please let me know how you would like to proceed.
Is anyone willing to step in to handle the payments? We only have three days, and even if I do manage a bank transfer (they claim plenty of US bank transfers), those days will have elapsed by the time Paypal payments hit my account. I can forward the information to any takers.
It might be easier if someone with a EUR account does the transfer, because then it's supposed to be free. I could pay the initial 680 EUR tomorrow evening if you give me the details and everything else is set.
Also, maybe you could ask about the bedsize and the pool?
Thank you Cat! I sent along the details in a PM. Welcome to co-organising :D
I just asked the manager about the number of adult versus child beds. I did not want to overwhelm her with questions about the pool at the moment as it seems fine from the photo and is mentioned in the listing. I agree they could have featured it a little better in the photos. It looks like it is a fair way down from the porch, but that may just be perspective.
I'm 99% certain that this is the house, based on the trees and the pool shape:
https://www.google.com/maps?q=38.801384,-9.385575&num=1=h&z=19
Quote from: Snarky on Tue 04/02/2014 15:55:40
One concern from looking at a few of the photos: Is there a trick of perspective, or are the Portuguese tiny little toy people? Some of those beds (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-OHZUalAuNFk/TkEKmb9PgvI/AAAAAAAAR1U/O92n_HWXtrc/s1600/IMG_1677.JPG) look well under 2m long.
Average height (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_height#Average_height_around_the_world) for Portugal is pretty short, but not dwarfishly so...
I could also help out with bank transfers/deposits etc. if needed. (My money isn't in EUR, though.)
Quote from: AGA on Tue 04/02/2014 18:41:19
Quote from: Snarky on Tue 04/02/2014 15:55:40
One concern from looking at a few of the photos: Is there a trick of perspective, or are the Portuguese tiny little toy people? Some of those beds (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-OHZUalAuNFk/TkEKmb9PgvI/AAAAAAAAR1U/O92n_HWXtrc/s1600/IMG_1677.JPG) look well under 2m long.
Average height (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_height#Average_height_around_the_world) for Portugal is pretty short, but not dwarfishly so...
Yes, I was sort of joking about that. (Though I see from that list that this wouldn't be an issue if we had gone with Croatia/The Dinaric Alps. :~( ... Nor with the Netherlands, to be fair.) I've actually been to Portugal several times. Nice place. Lots of short people offering to get you high.
Congrats Dirk and Christina, AGS is going to conquer the world one babby at time!
Yes, congrats indeed! ;-D
Anyhoo, even though I'm a lower-probability attendee, I've cast my votes.
Personally, I think Sintra looks a little "rustic", so I'd lean towards the Indoor Pool house. Quita da Foz also looks pretty keen.
I'm happy to help with paying the full deposit if it comes to that, but obviously a EUR native would be preferable as stated.
Updated first post with attendees. Please check if you are in the right list or if you want to be added.
Quote from: LimpingFish on Tue 04/02/2014 22:51:16
Anyhoo, even though I'm a lower-probability attendee
:~(
QuoteI've actually been to Portugal several times. Nice place. Lots of short people offering to get you high.
Those are gipsies 90% of the time. Don't trust them.
Looks like you're going to Sintra. Great choice! Do visit the Palacio da Pena. It's a fantastic place. It's been several years since I went there but it's as beautiful as any monument/palace you'll see across Europe.
Aren't you coming to this Mittens, Miguel? It won't get any closer to your home.
Yeah I know, would love to, but I'll be working at that time.
If there's a chance I'll try to visit you guys on my day off.
As a heads up, I'm definitely 100% out, not just because of the location/prices but also because, now that the date is set in stone, I know that I'm still going to be writing my last exams and handing in projects, Mittens is just a bit too early this time around. Sucks not to be there, have fun everybody!
:(
Awww damn...
This looks like so much fun that my brain is exploding just thinking about it...
I will have to catch up with you people in the future when you actually know who I am...
"I will see you in time" ~~ Indrid Cold
We have had fairly unknown people turn up before. There's really no better way to get to be a part of the community than to throw yourself in at the deep end!
Quote from: AGA on Wed 05/02/2014 14:57:15
We have had fairly unknown people turn up before. There's really no better way to get to be a part of the community than to throw yourself in at the deep end!
True...
Problem is that I'm literally on the other side of the planet here in Japan and have neither the time nor the means to get to where you guys are going.
Perhaps one day I will host this event here and we can all go out for kaiten-sushi, finding clues hidden between the neta and the shari before heading out on a real life treasure hunt of my devising...
Last one back has to climb Mt. Fuji and bring back the 2000 Yen cup noodles they sell at the peak for everyone...
Re: beds
QuoteHi Kenneth,
I have spoken to the owner and he sais that the beds are fine for adults.
The bunk beds are 190x90. So I believe it is ok! :)
Yay!
That's slightly shorter than standard European single size (200 x 90), but should be fine for averagely heighted humans. And the really tall people are probably used to beds that don't fit them anyway!
I would love to attend, as I have the previous couple of years. But financially it looks verrrry doubtful at the moment :-\
So count me out for now (is there a "maybe, if some miracle happens" list that I could be put on?).
Quote from: Miez on Thu 06/02/2014 17:25:47
I would love to attend, as I have the previous couple of years. But financially it looks verrrry doubtful at the moment :-\
So count me out for now (is there a "maybe, if some miracle happens" list that I could be put on?).
Six is officially more than a couple. Really sorry to hear that though...
Noooooooooooooooo :~( Miez and dkh
Sorry to rain on the parade, but I also find myself in the same financial situation. I'd love to go to Portugal, but it all depends on how much disposable income I have this summer. So for right now I'm a very strong "maybe."
We'll make the deposit regardless, and it sounds like the place is flexible as to pricing depending on how many people attend? So of course you're all welcome to come last minute if you can!
While this is true, I'd still appriciate if people tell as soon as possible if they will come to Mittens, since I payed the deposit and don't want to sit in a huge villa all alone. Are all people that are now on the probable attendees list definites?
I'm happy to pay in full now. PayPal? Bank transfer? Let me know.
It's not about getting the money now, it's about knowing that we are enough people and I will get the money eventually.
Just letting you know we are both definites, cat.
Great :)
Yup, I'm in.
I am definite as well.
Thanks for the info guys!
I just received a confirmation email that the payment has been recognised. We are now official!
I'm in too.
In order to get people more pumped about Mittens, I am suggesting a fun subtitle: Mittens 2014 "Se a Vida É" Edition, after the inspirational Pet Shop Boys song.
http://youtu.be/JEiSeih-gaU
If that doesn't work, I shall point out that the closest restaurant to the house (at ~100 meters) is called "G Spot Gastronomia (http://www.sintraportugal.net/restaurants/gspot-gastronomia-restaurant)". You're all invited.
Mittens is fun and good choice on the location.... So I'd like to show my interest.
Quote from: Disco on Sat 08/02/2014 18:03:08
If that doesn't work, I shall point out that the closest restaurant to the house (at ~100 meters) is called "G Spot Gastronomia (http://www.sintraportugal.net/restaurants/gspot-gastronomia-restaurant)". You're all invited.
Awesome, gotta go there 8-0
Quote from: Ascovel on Sat 08/02/2014 20:06:35
Mittens is fun and good choice on the location.... So I'd like to show my interest.
Great! I put you on the list!
I promised myself I would take a vacation this year. So put me down, and let me know how I can money.
Cool, I understand you are a definite? Looking forward to meeting you :)
I would like to show my interest, Portugal is pretty close to home so it looks possible this year :D Do we have a rough idea of how much the Villa will cost per head?
Hi Chicky,
the price depends on the number of people. The base price is 2600â,¬ for 10 people, every additional person adds 100â,¬.
If we are ten people, this will be 260â,¬ per person, if we are 20 it will be 180â,¬. So, the more the merrier, but also the cheaper ;)
Would be great if you could come, it's always nice to meet new people at Mittens.
Tarah (wife) has been wanting to go to a Mittens for awhile now (hearin' me talk about how much fun it is) but we just haven't been able to for the last few years. After missing last year's we said, "come hell or high water (unless pregnant) we're going to next year's!"
well...
Quote from: abstauber on Tue 04/02/2014 07:37:02*sigh* we're officially out, but it has nothing to do with lawn moving.
It's more a reproduction related thing ;)
Ol' Darth +1 is bowin' out of Mittens 2014 for exactly the same reason! So chock-up another AGS baby comin' soon!
www.jeremyandtarah.com
Hope you all have an amazing adventure!
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Mon 10/02/2014 14:25:07
www.jeremyandtarah.com
Holy shit you're a nerd.
Congratulations though! :P
Oh, and your counter script doesn't work in Firefox or IE...
Quote from: AGA on Mon 10/02/2014 14:28:29
Holy shit you're a nerd.
Exactly my thoughts :-D It made me chuckle a lot.
Congrats!
That's Sith Nerd thank you very much... Sith Nerd ;)
Congrats to you as well abstauber! I thought I'd be panicking but I'm actually just very excited!
But anyway... don't want to derail the Mittens thread!
Wow, congrats Jeremy and Tarah :) we'll need an AGS day care or summer camp soon.
Huge congrats Darth, Tarah, abstauber, Christina!
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Mon 10/02/2014 14:25:07
Ol' Darth +1 is bowin' out of Mittens 2014 for exactly the same reason! So chock-up another AGS baby comin' soon!
Well, congratz DarthFather-to-be and Tarah!!
Is the background color of that site a hint for the question 'is it going to be a boy or girl'? ;)
So which next ags couple is going to do a reproduction?
Cat & Bernard?
Or does Tamara know more then I do for now....? :-D
Well I didn't want to tell anyone yet, but I am also pregnant. Chris Jones is the father.
Quote from: AGA on Thu 13/02/2014 14:31:12
Well I didn't want to tell anyone yet, but I am also pregnant. Chris Jones is the father.
What a surprise! Congratz! When are you due?
Not during Mittens I hope? :P
Quote from: Arj0n on Thu 13/02/2014 14:05:23
Or does Tamara know more then I do for now....? :-D
Nope ;)
Quote from: AGA on Thu 13/02/2014 14:31:12
I am also pregnant. Chris Jones is the father.
So you name will be from now off:
mamaga :)
Quote from: cat on Sun 09/02/2014 08:24:47
Cool, I understand you are a definite? Looking forward to meeting you :)
Yes, I haven't requested it off work yet, but that shouldn't pose a problem.
We booked our flights!
Don't forget to get one of the reasonable offers while they are still available, flights usually don't get cheaper ;)
Edit: just checked a few destinations, there are flights from London for £115, Milano â,¬127, Amsterdam â,¬202 and Warszawa â,¬218.
Quote from: cat on Tue 18/02/2014 16:55:13
Edit: just checked a few destinations, there are flights from London for £115, Milano â,¬127, Amsterdam â,¬202 and Warszawa â,¬218.
Thanks for checking! :grin:
Good idea Cat! We have booked our flight too.
We (Arj0n and me) arrive at Lisbon Airport at July 19th 13:45 and depart at July 26th at 19:55
London Gatwick to Lisbon
Dep Sat, 19 July 2014 09:55
Arr Sat, 19 July 2014 12:35
Lisbon to London Gatwick
Dep Sat, 26 July 2014 20:05
Arr Sat, 26 July 2014 22:45
Updated first post with arrivals and departures.
Some more destinations:
Oslo kr 2185, Zürich SFr. 297, Göteborg 2492 kr
Thanks cat! I can take a hint. ;)
Though I think the flight you were looking at was either just the one-way ticket (Swiss does that: only shows the price one way until you pick the return flight), or some sort of 18hr layover in Paris. I had to pay quite a bit more for a reasonable connection, anyway.
Regardless:
ZRH-LIS: Sat Jul 19, 2014 09:05 â€" 11:55 (CEST)
LIS-ZRH: Sat Jul 26, 2014 20:00 â€" 22:45 (CEST)
Are you flying easyJet Berian? I checked the flight times but just want to be sure. I will try and get the same flights.
Yup!
@Snarky, I found an Air France flight with one stopover and 5 1/2 hours total in one direction. But if it is any comfort to you - our flights were also very expensive (since 18h in Paris were no option for us either)
Don't worry about it, I was just teasing. I looked around and got, I think, the best deal available given my requirements; and then it costs what it costs.
Let us know when we should pay you our share of the rent.
Quote from: cat on Wed 19/02/2014 15:49:48
@Snarky, I found an Air France flight with one stopover and 5 1/2 hours total in one direction.
Yeah, that was the one cheaper option that didn't look absolutely impossible (and even so it's now showing up as 339 CHF + whatever fees). But stopovers both ways, spending effectively the whole day traveling there and back, probably only getting to Mittens at around midnight? Not worth it.
I booked my flights, I'm coming in Lisbon at 9:45 am July 19th and leaving at 12:35 pm July 26th on luxurious coach seat that may or may not be an aisle seat.
Goodie, there's now a direct flight from göteborg to lisbon. Cat, how much should I paypal you for the villa?
So is anyone planning to drive, or to get a rental car?
Quote from: Andail on Fri 21/02/2014 09:00:02
Cat, how much should I paypal you for the villa?
I'd say we do that once the final payment is due, then we also know how much to pay for each person. It's less complicated and will save us transaction fees. If you confirm that you are a definite, I'll put you on the list.
Quote from: AGA on Fri 21/02/2014 13:05:11
So is anyone planning to drive, or to get a rental car?
I don't think we need to. It's about 1 hour by public transport from the airport to the villa and we can go to Lisbon by train (on weekdays there should be a train every 15 minutes). Also there is the historic tramway that can bring us to the beach. And I think there is plenty of stuff to see in Sintra as well.
I was thinking more of shopping trips, but as long as they're in walking or public transport distance that would be fine.
There seem to be a few supermarkets nearby:
- Baptista & Costa Lda - 1000 metres (Rua Arco do Teixeira 9, 2710 Sintra, Portugal)
- Loja do Manal- 650 metres (http://www.lonelyplanet.com/portugal/lisbon/sintra/shopping/food-drink/loja-manel)
- Manuel Afonso Faial - 600 metres (Avenida Movimento das Forças Armadas 1, 2710 Sintra, Portugal)
Nearby might not be close enough to carry >10 peoples foods and drinks.
I don't know whether shopping carts are common in Portugal.
If I zoom in at Google Streetview it might not be.
Edit:
I just spoke to Arj0n and we decided to rent a small car for doing the shopping for the whole group.
I think that would be most convenient for all of us.
Not a bad idea, but is it entirely necessary? As a tourist destination, Sintra is certain to have a decent taxi system.
If for instance we do three big grocery trips for the group during the week, the cost of taxiing the food/drinks back would probably not even be half the price of a single day's worth of car rental. With three supermarkets all withing 1km, we could all walk and then call a taxi and send two or so people back. Simpler shopping trips could be done entirely on foot.
Edit: Sintra Táxis+CP is 350m from the house, near the rail station.
It seems like most everyone is arriving in the early afternoon, which is great news compared to some years. Has anyone managed to find any takeaways nearby? I have only seen restaurants and the supermarkets Tamara listed. It is nice to not do grocery shopping the first night so we can relax and catch up.
Count me in! When does the deposit need to be paid?
Wheeeee! ;-D Great - will you come alone or the two of you?
The first deposit is already paid, according to the website we have to the next payment two months before Mittens, so no need to hurry.
We have one more coming! My sister wishes to enjoy Mittens with us this year. She was a potential attendee of the 2008 Mittens in France, but was unable in the end. She is now a member of the forums as well.
Please join me in welcoming violetnotpurple to our forums!
Welcome violetnotpurple! Are you a definite this time?
Thank you!
Is am for sure going on this adventure.
Quote from: cat on Mon 24/02/2014 20:39:03
Wheeeee! ;-D Great - will you come alone or the two of you?
It'll just be me this year!
However I'm going to Benicassim festival which overlaps with the start of Mittens so I'll unfortunately arrive late, my flights are:
ARR: 22nd Jul 16:35
DEP: 26th Jul 16:10
Quote from: Pumaman on Sun 09/03/2014 19:31:04
It'll just be me this year!
However I'm going to Benicassim festival which overlaps with the start of Mittens so I'll unfortunately arrive late, my flights are:
ARR: 22nd Jul 16:35
DEP: 26th Jul 16:10
(http://fiberfib.com/images/HOME/cartel-noche.jpg)
You are going for Paul Weller aren't you?
Knowing Chris as well as I do, I can only assume no one told him the acts who were playing. Not a single late 90s girl group on that list...
I've been to this festival a lot of times. It's great. I saw a lot of great bands such as Morrissey (smiths), Pixies, Depeche mode, and so on...
This year Paul Weller and M.I.A. are the best artists... You're lucky you can go, Chris.
Fuck, that villa view looks amazing. Curse my Baracusian fear of planes.
Get your Team to drug your milk.
I don't have a team....GET IT? :=
Yes, Yes. We GET IT. What you're basically saying is:
QuoteI like you. I like you a lot. But you don't want to get mixed up with a guy like me. I'm a loner. A rebel.
Arrivederci, baby!!
Less than ten of the names on that poster are familiar to me. And I've probably only heard the music of...four of them?
I can't tell if that should make me happy or sad...
Happy. Most of them aren't very good!
Welcome, violetnotpurple! Oh, and of course, I would be delighted to attend this year! No clashes with saddening concerts/festivals for me ;-)
3 month warning! ;-D
"meu rhum é frio e jacuzzi é quente"
Tame Impala op though.
I was going to convert the text from http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g189164-i1529-k6140832-Easy_transfer_from_Lisbon_airport_directly_to_Sintra-Sintra_Sintra_Municipality_Lisbon_Dist.html
to an epub, easier to take with me on my phone as I went from Lisbon airport to Sintra, Note that this does not include the exact route to the mansion, only to the town of Sintra, I'm hoping to rectify that someday soon.
Anyway, books need covers right? So I thought I'd look for the image of a big blue cup for a cover (seemed appriopriate), when I entered that into Blekko, I got lots of different cups, including this one:
http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/669870991/Free-shipping-Bras-36C36D38C40C40D-cup-big-size-underwear-women-s-Lingerie-Blue-color-SELF.jpg
;-)
And for your reading pleasure here's the epub+odt (in a 7z):
https://www.dropbox.com/l/0g7JGFe6XLinbKPGSpQ8Ha?
Calling all non-definite potential Mittens attendees!
I've just been going over my emails with the property managers and am curious if our numbers have stabalised, or if there is anyone else that is still in for a late addition? If anyone would like to come forward and join in during the next couple weeks, I can give the owners at least a month notice about our final numbers.
As for arrivals, violetnotpurple and I will be landing in Lisboa on July 17 and have two nights at Good Morning Lisbon (http://www.goodmorninghostel.com/), so we will be able to greet everyone at the airport on the 19th :D
Look forward to seeing you there, Disco.
I understand we'll be getting there by taxi. Should we rent a car for the villa, though? Not sure how far from shopping etc... it is.
We can get to the villa by public transport and there are supermarkets in walking distance. We could probably get a taxi to bring heavy shopping items (read: beer) back to the house, though...
Tamara and I are renting a car already, so possible issues with shopping distance and or heavy shopping items are covered
Change of plans! My better half would like to come along as well if there's still space?
When do we need to pay the money, and how much is it each?
Wheeee! Great news! ;-D
Disco, when is the final payment due?
Quote from: Pumaman on Mon 02/06/2014 20:57:11
Change of plans! My better half would like to come along as well if there's still space?
Um, I was already confirmed as coming...
Quote from: cat on Mon 02/06/2014 21:02:24
Disco, when is the final payment due?
The remaining 80% is payable in cash on arrival, or earlier if by bank transfer. This differs somewhat from the information on the website, but that information was included on the deposit confirmation email, so going with that :P
I'm assuming paying on arrival is preferable to most everyone? We also need a separate 500 EUR deposit which is given back at the end of the stay, in person from the sounds of things.
Quote from: AGA on Tue 03/06/2014 09:44:01
Quote from: Pumaman on Mon 02/06/2014 20:57:11
Change of plans! My better half would like to come along as well if there's still space?
Um, I was already confirmed as coming...
:P
GSpot Gastronomia, the quirky-named restaurant that was 100m from the house, is now closed as of February 2014 :(
Quote from: Disco on Tue 03/06/2014 13:18:29
The remaining 80% is payable in cash on arrival, or earlier if by bank transfer. This differs somewhat from the information on the website, but that information was included on the deposit confirmation email, so going with that :P
I'm assuming paying on arrival is preferable to most everyone? We also need a separate 500 EUR deposit which is given back at the end of the stay, in person from the sounds of things.
As I recall, the way we usually handle it is that one person is responsible for paying the landlord, and everyone else sends that person their share either in advance or afterwards. Cleaner than trying to scrape together the money on arrival, I think (esp. since people show up at different times etc.). For my part I'd certainly prefer to just send you my share now than to bring it with me in cash. That way there's one less thing to think about just before traveling, I don't have to worry about losing it, and my bank records show more clearly where the money has gone.
It's anyway preferable to pay by bank transfer than in cash, right? Particularly if there should be some dispute over the rent.
I agree with Snarky for mentioned reasons. Also I wouldn't feel safe to carry that much money with me.
We can do it whichever way, but if it is by bank transfer, as with the deposit I won't be able to do it myself, so probably best for Cat to make the final payment again? There isn't a time limit either, just sometime prior to arrival.
Quote from: Snarky on Tue 03/06/2014 14:20:22
As I recall, the way we usually handle it is that one person is responsible for paying the landlord, and everyone else sends that person their share either in advance or afterwards.
That is correct, but we've not really had the option before until now. Bank transfer does seem better when you mention the benefits. It was just a thought.
Quote from: Pumaman on Mon 02/06/2014 20:57:11
When do we need to pay the money, and how much is it each?
I emailed the managers this morning with an update on numbers, but going by their guidelines it should be 200 EUR each at 14 people.
I just PMed the people who showed interest to see if someone else wants to come.
Hi guys! Thanks for the PM, cat!
I'm sorry, but I won't make it this time. :(
I'm leaving my day job to pursue the dream of completing a brain-poking-based game project (my ambitious goal is to do it in a finite amount of time) and that means I will need all the money I currently have to survive long enough.
I wish you all to have a double great time at Mittens 2014 - once for yourself and the other time for me!
Bad news...I injured my knee and my doctors insisting that I get this thing fixed. He's telling me I need ligaments and such. The surgery is set too close for comfort to this trip, so I'm going to have pull out this year.
Instead of taking a week of and traveling, I'll spend a week laid up in recovery and several months with crutches. The good news is that I may be able to get temporary Handicapped Parking, and I'll have the money from this years trip for next year, which will clearly be in Austin, TX and super convenient.
Sorry guys :(
To bad, I was looking forward meeting you and the others I never met in real life yet.
But hey, better be fixed up for the next mittens, indeed.
And as bonus you even receive a new inventory item: the Handicapped Parking Pass!
That certainly tops everyone who is attending Mittens this year :-D
Next year Austin, TX? Show us the real Austin Powers (wtf)
The Natural Bridge Caverns (http://www.naturalbridgecaverns.com) looks awesome though.
Oh no, that's terrible news, I was looking forward to meeting you :(
I hope you will get well soon.
Sucks that we won't be seeing you, Mills. Good luck with your surgery!
Hello everyone.
I just got an email from the manager asking for the 500 euro security deposit to be paid soon. This took me a bit by surprise as earlier emails seemed to indicate it could be paid and returned in person. With 13 people, it will come to almost 40 euros each. I am unable to cover that on my own this year, but can accept payments via Paypal (they prefer bank transfer, but allow Paypal since this will be paid in one lump sum).
Another option is if anyone else is able to cover it for the time being, it may simplify things.
Would anyone be willing to do such a thing this year? Otherwise, I will post my Paypal address in the next day or so in order to get things going.
In other news, my sister and I booked our flights this morning. We arrive on the 17th and will depart from the train station in Lisbon on the 26th around 21:00, en route to Madrid.
Quote from: MillsJROSS on Sat 14/06/2014 16:22:34
Bad news...I injured my knee...
Sorry Mills! I was looking forward to seeing you again and your listening to your jokes :S Hope you get better soon. Did you manage to at least get a good story out of the injury if I may ask?
I can cover it. Just let me know about the details for making the transfer.
Quote from: Snarky on Thu 19/06/2014 22:05:24
I can cover it. Just let me know about the details for making the transfer.
Thank you Gunnar!
---
I emailed with another update on our numbers, now at 13. She asked me to make absolutely sure before reconfirming, citing fees for each successive change to our reservation:
QuoteHello Kenneth,
Thank you for your email.
Are you sure that there will only be 13 people in your party?
I will have to change you reservation and adjust the price.
Therefore, please note that this close to your arrival, each time you change your reservation, there is a surcharge of â,¬100.00.
Please confirm before we proceed to the alterations.
Looking forward to hear from you.
Kind regards,
Pippa
So this is LAST CALL for Mittens 2014. Any last minute adds or drops?
It's been going on for years. First injury was in college playing basketball. Pretty sure I tore my ACL then. Since the first injury I've reinjured it several times since, and the last injury was simply getting up. This time I tore something new.
Just got out of surgery yesterday. Everything went well. I look forward to having a knee again.
Good to see everything went well.
Looks like you have time enough now (while recovering) to play lot's of ags games ;)
Quote from: Disco on Fri 20/06/2014 14:51:47
So this is LAST CALL for Mittens 2014. Any last minute adds or drops?
I meant to reply to the PM cat sent out earlier, but it slipped my mind.
I won't be making it this year. Have fun everyone! ;-D
Three weeks!! (as of tomorrow :P)
I have received the updated cost of the rental. With 13 persons now, the rent is â,¬3,000. Each person's share is about â,¬231.
The remaining balance is â,¬2,320. The owner's stated that they prefer cash on arrival, but I made it clear that we prefer another bank transfer (which they certainly accept).
EDIT: There is no firm due date between now and arrival, but we should start gathering our resources soon as the final payment is due July 4th.
Hello.
I will probably arrive on Monday the 21st and leave again on Friday 25th, because of... stuff at home. I will naturally pay my full share of the rent anyway.
Looking forward to meet you, Andail
Just edited my most recent post. I woke up to a response from my email describing our preference for a bank transfer, in which the manager says the payment is now due by July 4 if we pay in advance. This due date for bank transfers was never told to me until just now, and seems to be just enough time if we send in payments straight away.
Is this fine with everyone?
Fine by me, anyway. Though something to consider: if some people don't get you the money in time, can you cover it for the time being?
Afraid not, but I can't do the bank transfer anyways. My bank doesn't have some of the required numbers associated with EU transfers. I found that out in the worst way while hosting the Ireland Mittens.
I have been in contact with cat to see if she would be up for the transfer. If there is a small delay, I will let them know when to expect it.
I have PMed everyone with payment details. Please check your PMs and pay asap.
Wheeeee, Mittens! ;-D
D'oh! I thought it was "send money to friends" that was the cheap option and "payment for goods/services" that cost more, but it's actually the other way around. :-\
Money to friends was free for me...
Quote
I'm paying for goods or services
* â,¬0,00 EUR fee. Free for you. The seller pays the fees.
I'm sending money to family or friends
* â,¬0,00 EUR fee if you use your PayPal balance and/or a bank account.
* â,¬8,20 EUR fee if you pay using your credit or debit card.
My Paypal has 0 balance in it so it won't be free for me, but I'm guessing the goods or serves option won't have the "I will pay the fee" checkbox.
Yeah, mine was similar to Esseb's except even with a balance it was like 0.55 EUR.
Since I was talking with Arj0n about it: don't forget to bring something to show and tell! I hope we can connect a laptop to the TV, on the fotos it looks like a very old TV.
Also think about a small prize for the quiz :)
Show and Tell?
Sorry, I am new and a non poster. Who wants to bring me up to speed?
Don't worry Kayla. I will find the DVD from 2009 and give you a crash course in Mittens before we leave.
Alright, sorry for my lack of activity here but we've just moved into a new place and haven't sorted out internet until now, but anyhow.
Have just paid for the house now.
I'll arrive in Lissabon
2014-07-21, 7.05 pm
and will leave
2014-07-25 7:05 am
So it will be short but sweet for me, really looking forward to seeing you all, old friends and new alike!
We got the payment from everyone except Marco. Thanks guys and gals!
Catarina, you'll be delighted to kow that I've just paid Bernhard (and by extension, you).
Darn, I was hoping to go by train, but as I cannot book directly from ASD to LIS (only by transfer via Paris - and trains from Paris to Lissabon seemed fully booked) so I've only now just boooked the flight to ASD-MUC-LIS.
BTW does anyone know the street address for Sintra Manor? (so I can tell the cabby)
When will you be arriving in Lisbon? From the looks of the flight times, there may be an earlier group and a later group travelling to Sintra together, so not necessary to go it alone.
ASD is Bahamas...
http://m.prokerala.com/travel/airports/bahamas/andros-town-airport.html
Now we got the money from everyone, thanks!
Looking forward to meeting you guys and gals ;-D
Quote from: cat on Wed 02/07/2014 18:40:03
Since I was talking with Arj0n about it: don't forget to bring something to show and tell! I hope we can connect a laptop to the TV, on the fotos it looks like a very old TV.
Also think about a small prize for the quiz :)
Question to all mitteneers: is there something arranged already as in a laptop for example to run a possible show 'n tell on?
(also keeping in mind that it's plausible that the villa's TV isn't from this era...)
Quote from: cat on Wed 02/07/2014 18:40:03
Also think about a small prize for the quiz :)
Is there a quiz without having the original quizmaster around this year? 8-0 :-D
We could ask someone who (presumably) knows little about AGS to do the quiz. Like violetnotpurple, or Tamara. Or CJ (roll) Less unfair on them taking part in something they have little chance of winning.
Good point AGA :)
Now what's left is the hardware question for a possible show 'n tell...
Hey, last year I had two more points than Arjon! 8-)
I won't mind volunteering to host the quiz.
Heey, now everyone know I let you win from me last year...
:-D
If we need to I can bring my laptop, which has VGA and HDMI outs. I don't have either cable though, so someone would have to bring those! Of course not many TVs have VGA input, and apparently the TV is kinda old so may not have HDMI... But since very few laptops have coax, SCART or component ports, we might not have many options! My laptop's screen is 17", so could serve as a (albeit small) standalone screen if necessary.
Damn, it's almost Mittens and I don't have anything to show OR tell and no cool prizes for the quiz!
I'll bring a selection of video cables/converters, though. No guarantees, but it might improve our chances. (I think I have a VGA-to-component converter, for example.)
I'd highly appreciate it if someone/anyone coming over from Scandinavia (ahem Esseb) would bring some Tyrkisk Pepper. If you pick me up a bag/can, I'll reimburse you. Got to feed that ammonium chloride addiction!
Sure, I'll bring a couple of the big bags from the tax-free. One for you and one for the Mittens attendees.
Quote from: Snarky on Mon 07/07/2014 17:18:16
I think I have a VGA-to-component converter, for example.)
I might have a component to SCART adapter.
Quote from: Esseb on Mon 07/07/2014 17:21:22
Sure, I'll bring a couple of the big bags from the tax-free. One for you and one for the Mittens attendees.
Sweet! :sealed::tongue::cheesy:
Before anyone is bringing all these kind of cables, adapters, etc for nothing: is there anyone who has something to show 'n tell at all?
Besides AGA showing his famous game-with-worldwar-alarm-sound, I might have something to show.
But:
If the case is going to be that no one else has something to show (and AGA decides not to show his game again), then I
might better not show anything at all so no one has to bring all that equipment stuff while it's not gonna be used at all...
Just thinking...
I always have plenty to show and tell, but not that much AGS-related this time around. Will bring a laptop either way because I'll have tons of spare time between flights in Brussels.
Is was wondering what nice spots in, or close to, Sintra are worth a visit and I stubled upon these two spots I'd really like to visit:
1.: Moors' Castle (Castelo dos Mouros) (http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g189164-d195786-Reviews-Moors_Castle_Castelo_dos_Mouros-Sintra_Sintra_Municipality_Lisbon_District_Central.html) (castles / ruins)
(http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/03/18/8d/c4/castelo-dos-mouros.jpg)
(http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/00/12/30/c4/a-view-of-the-sintra.jpg)
2.: Quinta Da Regaleira (http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g189164-d484394-Reviews-Quinta_Da_Regaleira-Sintra_Sintra_Municipality_Lisbon_District_Central_Portugal.html) (palaces and beautiful gardens)
(http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/25/63/84/jardines.jpg)
(http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/c9/96/80/view-of-the-terrace-walkway.jpg)
Just out of curiosity: any more ideas?
I definitely want to visit the
National Palace of Pena (http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g189164-d195785-Reviews-National_Palace_of_Pena-Sintra_Sintra_Municipality_Lisbon_District_Central_Portuga.html)
(http://www.portugalvirtual.pt/images/sintra/images/pena-palace-001.jpg)
That was actually my 3rth one too :)
Whoops, I thought it meant Amsterdam.
But look at it like this: if I'm coming from the Bahamas to Portugal that must mean that I have great hopes for Mittens, right? :)
I'll be arriving at 21:40 -
I know, bummer that it is so late, hopefully I'll be awake enough coming uot of the plane (and able to not fall asleep in the taxi)
Thinking about that again, wouldn't it be convenient if we had a street address to get to?
Also, how about everyone sharing their mobile phone numbers (incl. country code), so we can contact each other if we need to.
shall we do that on the forum (where every search engine can find it)?, or shall someone collate all the numbers and send the list to everyone?
Uhm... if you're in Amsterdam, why are you flying to Munchen to get to Lisbon? 8-0
Were all the direct flights fully booked? Or you just didn't like the prices of those? I often fly via Amsterdam when I'm going to Lisbon... ???
This flight was cheapest and offered the best times.
Where do you fly from?
Billund, Denmark. :)
I'll be collecting numbers via PM and making list which will include the address and other relevant information. Please send me your number(s) and I will compile them by Monday!
I think there are several interesting areas in Lisbon.
It might be nice to go there for a day or so, just like we did in Berlin.
Interesting Area 1:
Santa Justa lift (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Justa_Lift), Lisbon Cathedral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisbon_Cathedral) and Castelo de Sao Jorge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castelo_de_S%C3%A3o_Jorge)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Lisbon_(Lisboa)_historic_elevator_Santa_Justa_Luca_Galuzzi_2006.jpg)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Lisboa_May_2013-1.jpg/800px-Lisboa_May_2013-1.jpg)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/LisbonCastle.jpg/1920px-LisbonCastle.jpg)
Interesting Area 2:
Torre de Belem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torre_de_Belem), Padrao dos descobrimentos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padr%C3%A3o_dos_Descobrimentos) and Mosteiro dos Jeronimos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosteiro_dos_jer%C3%B3nimos)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Lisboa_Lisbon_Lissabon.jpg/1920px-Lisboa_Lisbon_Lissabon.jpg)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Monumento_a_los_Descubrimientos%2C_Lisboa%2C_Portugal%2C_2012-05-12%2C_DD_08.JPG/800px-Monumento_a_los_Descubrimientos%2C_Lisboa%2C_Portugal%2C_2012-05-12%2C_DD_08.JPG)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Jer%C3%B3nimos_April_2009-4.jpg/1920px-Jer%C3%B3nimos_April_2009-4.jpg)
Interesting area 3:
Parque das Nacoes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parque_das_Na%C3%A7%C3%B5es_(Lisbon))
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/FonteParqueNacoes.JPG)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Waterfall_Parque_das_Na%C3%A7%C3%B5es.jpg)(http://www.travel-earth.com/portugal/lisbon-parque-das-nacoes.jpg)
Interesting Area 4:
Alfama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfama), an area with pubs and restaurants and a historic tram
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cDOu3AmegDI/T1ixVS16K5I/AAAAAAAAA1Y/N0roXOx1wEs/s1600/barrio-de-alfama-lisboa3.jpg)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Alfama_Lisboa_9.JPG)(http://www.lisbonapartments.com/alfama/Alfama-Festas.jpg)
All items in mentioned areas are on walking distance. Public transport/a big walk is required to travel from one area to the next.
I just realised I never said my flight times: July 19th 10:10 - 26th 16:25
Edit: Damn, Lisboa looks pretty awesome, touristwise. A day trip is definitely in order.
I guess we will have to do a lot of sightseeing this time ;-D
To add more to the list:
Eléctrico de Sintra (http://arquivo.cm-sintra.pt/Artigo.aspx?ID=3202)
We can take a tram to the beach (Praia das Maçãs) to hang out there.
(http://www.guiadacidade.pt/bpt/upload_pic/resize_1307440332.jpg)
(http://www.lisboncoastcottages.com/images/praia_macas2.jpg)
My boss is Portuguese, and knows Sintra well. She said she'd give me some recommendations, so I'll post those soon.
Quote from: Arj0n on Thu 10/07/2014 11:51:58
Is was wondering what nice spots in, or close to, Sintra are worth a visit and I stubled upon these two spots I'd really like to visit:
1.: Moors' Castle (Castelo dos Mouros) (http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g189164-d195786-Reviews-Moors_Castle_Castelo_dos_Mouros-Sintra_Sintra_Municipality_Lisbon_District_Central.html) (castles / ruins)
2.: Quinta Da Regaleira (http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g189164-d484394-Reviews-Quinta_Da_Regaleira-Sintra_Sintra_Municipality_Lisbon_District_Central_Portugal.html) (palaces and beautiful gardens)
These look great, Arjon! I'd love to see the gardens in particular.
Quote from: Tamara on Sat 12/07/2014 17:19:05
I think there are several interesting areas in Lisbon.
It might be nice to go there for a day or so, just like we did in Berlin.
Interesting Area 1:
Santa Justa lift (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Justa_Lift), Lisbon Cathedral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisbon_Cathedral) and Castelo de Sao Jorge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castelo_de_S%C3%A3o_Jorge)
Interesting Area 2:
Torre de Belem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torre_de_Belem), Padrao dos descobrimentos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padr%C3%A3o_dos_Descobrimentos) and Mosteiro dos Jeronimos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosteiro_dos_jer%C3%B3nimos)
Interesting area 3:
Parque das Nacoes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parque_das_Na%C3%A7%C3%B5es_(Lisbon))
Interesting Area 4:
Alfama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfama), an area with pubs and restaurants and a historic tram
All items in mentioned areas are on walking distance. Public transport/a big walk is required to travel from one area to the next.
I saw those when I was in Lisbon before, and yeah, they're all worth a visit (although I remember the Parque das Nacoes mainly as a place to go out, with restaurants, bars and clubs, rather than a particularly interesting attraction in its own right, but then I didn't really visit the actual Expo leftovers). Unless I'm completely mistaken, your Area 1 and Area 4 are in fact the same: Alfama is a neighborhood on the hill running up to the Sao Jorge castle, and the tram takes you past the cathedral. The old elevator is a bit further away as I recall it, on the other side of the downtown area.
If and when we do go to downtown Lisbon, I recommend a seafood restaurant a Portuguese friend took a bunch of us to:
Cervejaria Ramiro (http://www.cervejariaramiro.pt/?lang=en). Truly amazing crabs, barnacles(!), shrimp, clams etc. at a reasonable price. They have tiger shrimp the size of lobsters!
(http://i.imgur.com/YzqFt38l.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/IJdjwNfl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/x2DjM2ol.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/Eu0ofWQl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/zWWF7Pil.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/k54r5GBl.jpg)
Now you just making me home sick. :p
I think you are right Snarky.
I never have been to Lisbon before, but I made above list for a planned company trip which got cancelled.
Based on your comments my preference would be to combine 1 and 4, visit 2 too amd skip 3, since it seems out of direction of the other 2 places and less interesting.
Oh dear Cassie, are yuo a vegetarian too? I already knew about Disco, Bicilotti and Miez, they would not like to dine there!
(To be frank, I would.)
Quote from: DutchMarco on Sun 13/07/2014 14:21:09
I already knew about Disco, Bicilotti and Miez, they would not like to dine there!
Me neither, cause I'm a 'reversed pescetarian' :-X
Spoiler
(one who does eat meat but no seafood)
Oh no, you miss understood me... I meant I'm salivating from the sight of so delicious food! :)
You really need to look up the meaning of "home sick". ;)
Woo! we're leaving in about 72 hours :D
Kayla (violetnotpurple) and I plan to be at the airport to greet the first wave of Mitteners. Between 10:10 and 13:45, we have Esseb, Snarky, AGA, Arj0n and Tamara arriving. Since check-in is at 16:00, I recommend the seven of us make the initial expedition to Sintra. Arj0n and Tamara: You are renting a car from the airport? If so, the remaining five can get a head start on the train. We will have an hour to kill upon arrival, or just leave a bit later.
Since we have some late arrivals, may I suggest that the first wave do some basic drink stocking and perhaps get some takeaway or pizza for the first night? That takes some pressure off and allows for a more relaxing first evening. We can do some more serious shopping the following morning when most are present.
Are shops open on Sundays in Portugal? Otherwise it might be a good idea if the first guys arriving could at least get some breakfast, too. We could also dine out the first evening to make things easier.
And I'd love to eat at the seafood place 8-0
Well, we could always split up. Otherwise, I'm sure they have good seafood closer to Sintra as well. I'd expect it'd be more difficult for the vegetarians to find somewhere to eat...
Shopping centers and Hipers are normally open on sundays, as far as I remember. Restaurants, snack-bars and alike are also normally open.
Arj0n, AGA and me are indeed renting a car.
Basic ahopping seems to be a good idea.
The fish place is looking good, but since Arjon is allergic to eat sea food, we might have to split up and to to a restaurant where they also serve things other than fish.
What are hipers?
Very big supermarkets. ;) Hipermarkets! Though, supermarkets might also be open. (minus big holidays)
Splitting up could work, but I am usually fine in the most adverse food situations, unless we end up at a seafood-only restaurant.
I keep finding conflicting reports on good vegetarian options in Portugal or Spain, but most of the newer and therefore relevant information points out that it isn't difficult at all, or at least has greatly improved in recent years.
Most of the information I found saying it is a harsh climate for vegetarians seems somewhat out of date.
Edit: Is anyone besides myself an actual full-on vegetarian this Mittens?. I don't want to split up if possible if that is the only reason to outside of practicality.
Here's a list with Vegetarian/Vegan restaurants:
http://www.centrovegetariano.org/Restaurantes.html (http://www.centrovegetariano.org/Restaurantes.html)
And there seems to be 4 in Sintra area: http://www.centrovegetariano.org/Restaurantes-Sintra.html (http://www.centrovegetariano.org/Restaurantes-Sintra.html)
The first one is open on Tuesday- Sunday, the two in the middle Mon-Sat (they both have take-away and the 3rd one also has regular food, including seafood).
The last one is open Wen-Sun.
Hope it helps you to find something when you guys are planning out trips. :)
Quote from: DutchMarco on Sat 12/07/2014 11:59:27
Thinking about that again, wouldn't it be convenient if we had a street address to get to?
Good point, what is the postal address of the villa?
We'll be arriving late and may get a taxi so this would be quite useful to know!!
Check your PMs!
Check the link in disco's pm to find the address ;)
edit
disco was quicker :)
Quote from: Arj0n on Sun 13/07/2014 15:33:38
Spoiler
(one who does eat meat but no seafood)
Ditto!
Have a great time! Already? Shit I was going to send someone some DVD's. Oh well hope Andail has a couple of TSP's for you guys to 'win'! Berian Rigged Williams! ;) Enjoy the holiday, bring us some nice photos 8-)
Ah, yes. The tsp-dvd. I was actually wondering about it yesterday ;)
we'll make some nice agstourists pics for you mods :-D
This is so cool, people!
BTW for anyone interested, my flight to Lisbon has number LH1792 and lands at 21:40 Lisbon airport at (if all goes well), let us hope so, or at least me.
Is is now I should challenge you guys to make an AGS game with your "agstourists pics"? ;)
What actually happened to the Bicilotti-Adventure, Mods?
I've actually seen a very very small alpha build some months ago
Wishing you all a save journey and tons of fun! (nod)
Please don't forget your camera and use it often for to show us a lot of pics when you're back home :grin:
(http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/111210/4u69c27u.gif)
I totally second that sentiment: have a complete BLAST, Mitteneers! :-D
Still sad I couldn't make it this year...
Greetings from Toronto Pearson airport! The first leg of our travel is complete. Now waiting to board our flight to Lisbon via Brussels.
We will get a hands-on overview of Lisboa during the next two days and report any potential day trip ideas beyond those already expressed in the thread.
See you all soonly :D
Quote from: cat on Wed 16/07/2014 16:29:09
What actually happened to the Bicilotti-Adventure, Mods?
Can you believe it, because the internet couldn't provide a decent OGV converter back in 20...13? Amazed to live through a period where something ISN'T available. The VLC conversion method sucks ass. But then Pazera offered one up a few weeks after the end of Mittens and I never made use of it... yet... I use that converter constantly nowadays just not for FMV, despite that game being the reason I found that converter...yeah... Where is it :) Make a game whilst you're out there I dare ye lol. Marco don't reverse into any signposts. Have a good'n!
I thought I might bring some board/card games; Small World, Resistance and that weird plasticine game have been hits at past Mittenses. But since they can be kind of bulky I can only take one or two, so I thought I'd ask attendees if they have a preference between:
Dixit (picture card game, creativity and psychology involved, very good)
Dominion (fantasy strategy card game, also very good)
Ticket to Ride (railroad building game, also also very good)
Monopoly (you know... Monopoly)
Dune (complicated strategy war game, supposed to be good, but never actually played)
Resistance (card bluffing game, played last Mittens)
Evolution (creature-building card game, only played a couple of times, felt a bit unbalanced)
It'd be fun to have a chance to try out Dune; I've never been able to find people willing to spend a day on it.
Cool you're bringing card-/boardgames!!
My prefered top 3:
1.: Resistance: yes please, that was really a cool game to play!
@Esseb: Was Resistance that game where I beat you in the 1st seconds of the game like poker-mode? If so, let's play it again! :-D
2.: Dixit: looks nice
3.: Monopoly: always a sweet game
I think a game like Jenga or similar would be nice too.
Dune:
Games like Dune which requires such a long gameplay are not really my thing. But others might like it though...
Quote from: Arj0n on Thu 17/07/2014 10:48:41
Dune:
Games like Dune which requires such a long gameplay are not really my thing. But others might like it though...
That's why I don't like Monopoly :P
I'd prefer a quick card game that's easy to understand where you can easily play several rounds like Resistance last year (or similar).
And also maybe something for the evenings where all of us can play at the same time - is Dixit for that many players?
So my Portuguese boss has recommended:
à “bidos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%93bidos,_Portugal)
Nazaré (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazar%C3%A9,_Portugal)
Alcobaça (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoba%C3%A7a,_Portugal)
All nice places to visit, within an hour or so's travel of us. Plus she lent me a totally up to date 2007/8 Lisbon city guide.
Monopoly doesn't have to go on for that long if you play by the rules (auctions, no handouts at Free Parking) and people don't faff about.
Dixit is supposedly for 3-6 players, but I'd recommend at least 4 and don't see why you couldn't have more than 6 (above 8 might get a bit overwhelming). Dixit + Resistance are solid choices, but personally I'd also like something a little "bigger", like Monopoly, Ticket to Ride or Dominion (or some other classic like Risk or Settlers of Catan)... I guess thinking about it, the common factor between all of them is that they're "empire building" games of one sort or another. It'd be great if someone else could bring something like that; otherwise I'll see if I can squeeze in a third box in my suitcase.
I'll see what games I can bring (that require no German to play 8-0 )
Oh, and I mixed something up, I don't have an adapter we can use to connect to the TV set :(
Quote from: Arj0n on Thu 17/07/2014 10:48:41
1.: Resistance: yes please, that was really a cool game to play!
@Esseb: Was Resistance that game where I beat you in the 1st seconds of the game like poker-mode? If so, let's play it again! :-D
Hm, not sure. You might be thinking of Love Letter. I'll be bringing that again.
Snarky:
1. Resistance
2. Dixit
3. Dominion
I'm bringing One Night Ultimate Werewolf myself, a condensed version of Mafia/Werewolf which actually is better.
Edit: What adapters would we need? I might have some stuff lying around, but it depends what ports out exist on whichever laptop anyone is bringing.
Didn't we sort of conclude that no one had any AGS stuff to show off anyway?
Thank you Mark, as if ayone needed reminding of that! :~( BTW, that would be a bit difficult to do, since I won't be driving the plane or train this year.
BTW, I asked he rental company, and they (Francis) said the closest station was called Sintra, it was also the end of the line. Couldn't be easier!
BTW2: Would everyone please remember to bring prizes for the pub quiz? I'll bring a few DVDs myself.
Arj0n and me might be showing some stuff. But a laptop might be enough, especially for my stuff. I'd like to get some feedback on improvements I made to my game from last year.
I was planning to show 2 ags things I'm working on.
Already made the game (a graphical mod of DKH's platformer with all new sprites and animations plus new levels) playable (one level), especially for mittens.
But if i can't show it after all or there's a lack of interest or supplies (as adapters) I might better leave it home though...
So my question is: who's bringing what to be able to show and tell something?
Who's bringing a laptop anyway? Do you think a show and tell will work on only a laptop? (as in a group watching it on a small laptop screen)
We might be few enough that a laptop screen will work.
Quote from: Esseb on Thu 17/07/2014 14:22:04
We might be few enough that a laptop screen will work.
alright, if someone can confirm that he/she is bringing a laptop then I bring my stuff to show.
Cat, you're still in too I guess?
Andail, do I remember it correctly you said you had also some stuff to show?
Yep, I'm in. But we don't have a laptop with a screen big enough for people to watch.
On another note: weather forecast says it's going to be 23°C in Sintra and 25°C in Lisbon which is perfect for sightseeing. However, don't forget to bring a sweater for when it gets chilly in the evening.
Quote from: cat on Thu 17/07/2014 14:34:24
Yep, I'm in. But we don't have a laptop with a screen big enough for people to watch.
Nah, but like Esseb said, the group isn't that big this year... So it might work with only a laptop.
Still hope we're able to hook it up to a tv...
I'll bring my 17" screen laptop.
Cool :)
Quote from: Snarky on Thu 17/07/2014 10:13:50
I thought I might bring some board/card games; Small World, Resistance and that weird plasticine game have been hits at past Mittenses. But since they can be kind of bulky I can only take one or two, so I thought I'd ask attendees if they have a preference between:
Dixit (picture card game, creativity and psychology involved, very good)
Dominion (fantasy strategy card game, also very good)
Ticket to Ride (railroad building game, also also very good)
Monopoly (you know... Monopoly)
Dune (complicated strategy war game, supposed to be good, but never actually played)
Resistance (card bluffing game, played last Mittens)
Evolution (creature-building card game, only played a couple of times, felt a bit unbalanced)
It'd be fun to have a chance to try out Dune; I've never been able to find people willing to spend a day on it.
I really liked resistance last year. Monopoly isn't really my favourite too, since it takes ages.
Therefore I think I won't like Dune too, but you never know. Dixit seems interesting.
Besides that I don't really have a preference.
Quote from: AGA on Thu 17/07/2014 11:26:57
Plus she lent me a totally up to date 2007/8 Lisbon city guide.
I have TripAdvisor City guides on my phone (same one I used for AdvX London sight seeing), which has an offline city guide of Lisbon.
It contains restaurants, hotels, attractions, suggested itineraries, nightlife, shopping and tours/tickets.
Might be a nice addition
But... but... what about the fun of trying to visit attractions that might not even exist anymore!
http://web.archive.org/web/20020808154906/http://www.tripadvisor.com/Tourism-g189158-Lisbon_Estremadura-Vacations.html
Hello from Lisbon!
I have made a small update to the sekrit document regarding the metro system.
Bring starblock if you have any tubes small enough to be brought on an airplane. We should have enough to go around for a while, but I believe we bought the only one in Lisbon that was less than 15-20 euros. From what I can tell, it isn't generally available in supermarkets...pharmacies only.
What is starblock?
Sunscreen?
Quote from: AGA on Thu 17/07/2014 23:08:04
But... but... what about the fun of trying to visit attractions that might not even exist anymore!
Oh of course! How could I forget about that?
Being up to date and digital is soooo 2013.
I'll bring my Nokia 3310!
no, no, a Nokia 3310 is still to 'new' to have phun. Mr.B meant using a real adventurer device to find non-existing places, like THIS:
(http://wwsm.s3.amazonaws.com/old-media/2013/08/old-fashioned-phone2.jpg)
Now where's that 'turn on GPS' button....
Pff, kids these days. I'm bringing my carrier pigeon. His name is Speckled Jim.
Noooo, they do their mix of nr1 & nr2 everywhere... (wrong)
No worries, AGA's crafted a special tiny diaper he likes to use.
The pigeon gets one too.
Quote from: Esseb on Fri 18/07/2014 16:29:09
No worries, AGA's crafted a special tiny diaper he likes to use.
The pigeon gets one too.
:-D
Hey! I can control my own bowels. I learned after the incident at last year's Mittens.
Did I miss out on something last year?
Can't remember anything out of the ordinary, except for the item M0ds found in the shower.
Virtual hug, boys & girls, have fun! ;)
Thanks! It's such a pity that you won't be there this year!
Yes, have fun everybody, I wish I could be there.
Bon Voyage, Mitteneers! ;-D
Leaving for the airport in 20 minutes. Yes, it is 5am. The things I do for you people!
We're off to a'dam airport.
About to take off! See y'all soon!
We will be soon heading off to the airport. See you at the villa!
On the train to Sintra now with Kenneth, Kayla, and Gunnar. Woo!
:cry: So Jealous. On the plus side I'm able to get around on one crutch now.
Such an awesome spot
Let me know where you plan to be monday night, so I don't go to Sintra while you're cruising in Lissabon
Sure andail ðŸ˜Å
we'll make sure to be back at the villa before 19:00
you arive at 19:00 isn't it?
Oh, I arrive in Lissabon at 9 pm, so don't expect me by the villa before 10:30. Unless you happen to be in the city by then, and I can catch a ride back to Sintra...
Hope you guys have a blast.
Here's the special 1 level mittens demo version of my graphic mod of the game Art of Dying that featured this year at show & tell at mittens 2014 Portugal: Download (http://tdepaus.home.xs4all.nl/arj0n/mittens2014/DieMod.zip). It still contains a few original sprites and there are some flaws in the level, but hey: it was build in two hours before taking the plane to portugal 😉. Hope you enjoy. The full version will contain 12 proper new levels plus all sprites & animations will be replaced.
Sorry for the crappy post, i'm posting this at my phone from mittens portugal ðŸ˜Å
I can't believe I'm missing all that fun! The villa looks fantastic and the beer bottle count is very irish :D
I hope you'll have a great week.
Safely home now from Mittens! It's been a great time, and it made me ask myself why it's been so long since I stopped going to Mittens...es. Great trips to impressive castles, walking around picturesque Sintra, late night conversations with old and new friends, board games and lots and lots of beer drinking. Didn't take pictures myself, but they'll surely pop up once the others start returning home.
Back home, a great mittens has come to an end again.
I'm really proud of you guy's 'n galls since I have been able to learn all mitteneers how to open a beer bottle the correct way,
which is not using a regular opener but instead using everything else available in or around the house, to name a few:
- a lighter
- a pencil
- a second beer bottle
- a giant sharp metal pizza slicer
- a huge BBQ fork
- a stuffed chicken(*)
(*) OK, we decided not to try to use the stuffed chicken since that turned out to be the national emblem of Portugal (and Sintra) because of 'the legend of the Rooster of Barcelos'... ;)
Here's a quick selection of some >> mittens 2014 photos << (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125748302@N08/sets/72157646000549383/) to give a short impression (roll)
Kayla and I made it to Madrid a few hours ago. At the hostel now waiting for our room. Will do a proper post mortem soon since we are quite wrecked from the trip :P
Finally we are up again :)
It was a great Mittens and it was great to see you all again (and meet Kayla for the first time).
I already had a look at my photos which remind me of the fantastic time we had. I'll upload them soon.
Edit: In the meantime, here is the groupfoto:
(http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/w/images/thumb/0/0b/Mittens2014GroupPhoto.jpg/800px-Mittens2014GroupPhoto.jpg)
Back and awake now.
Mittens was great, as always. I'll have some photos later once I've summoned the strength to sort through them all.
Man, that group photo really shows how small of a Mittens it was! Hope more people will be able to make it next year!
Back now, very tired from the return trip. Was a great week, post more later.
Back now. Mittens was good. Quotes be here (http://meets.americangirlscouts.org/events/2014/mittens/quotes).
Maybe we should try to keep the discussion about next year separate in another thread (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=50776.0), to avoid cluttering this one up. Plus having a separate thread will be necessary when it comes to booking time.
(http://i.imgur.com/OykmrXQ.jpg)
"Man, I fucking hate the Sun!"
I miss the days when quotes took weeks and weeks to get updated. I still remember most of these being said.
AGA: "I'd like these intercourse pictures" should be just "I like", and the sidebar is missing a link to 2014.
Quiz results and prizes :)
(http://tdepaus.home.xs4all.nl/tampie/MittensQuiz2014.png)
Haha nice! Tad hard to make out what some of them are but I can definitely see TSP there.... in several people's hands! Woot LOL
Welcome back Mitteneers! Looks like a[nother] great Mittens! Can't wait to see all the photos so I can REALLY wish I had been able to go this year (nod)
Quote from: Arj0n on Sun 27/07/2014 05:30:03
Here's a quick selection of some >> mittens 2014 photos << (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125748302@N08/sets/72157646000549383/) to give a short impression (roll)
Impressive beer collection!
Moved all 2015 discussion here (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=50776.0).
Here are (some of) my photos, there should also be videos on it:
https://plus.google.com/photos/115824361773536084398/albums/6049989582325379921?gpinv=AMIXal8rhFSMyDzm8BG_mUHMIhR0b_II9WVcFkAU_SVTfe-pjqJljLV3cWe5KTrHuXvNR1RXYelH-qxcxA74ZJ29KQ8MoyImHhl8BUxjYhk_jH0bgDp8Awo&cfem=1&authkey=CMTj8YzVjfSxwQE (https://plus.google.com/photos/115824361773536084398/albums/6049989582325379921?gpinv=AMIXal8rhFSMyDzm8BG_mUHMIhR0b_II9WVcFkAU_SVTfe-pjqJljLV3cWe5KTrHuXvNR1RXYelH-qxcxA74ZJ29KQ8MoyImHhl8BUxjYhk_jH0bgDp8Awo&cfem=1&authkey=CMTj8YzVjfSxwQE)
PS sorry of course for dragging up this old thread!
Quote from: Tamara on Sun 27/07/2014 19:30:19
Quiz results and prizes :)
(pic removed from quote)
Yay! I'm happy with my (your) game, Andail!
Audio clips from Mittens Portugal are ready for your ears!
kennethhyde.me/mittens2014 (http://kennethhyde.me/mittens2014)
I still have yet to get my photos developed, and I'm afraid it will be a little while longer before they are scanned as well, so they will just have to be a surprise bonus sometime in the future :P
It is a shame that the post-Mittens synopsis and chatter kind of fizzled out, unlike most years (though I am just as guilty of not posting my thoughts).
While attendance was on the low side, this year was still a great time and kept pace with most other Mittens trips.
Super Bock, Fado, omelettes, chickens, the pool, Moors...how can I ever forget them...
Better late than never, here's my Portugal pics: http://esseb.com/photographs/mittens_portugal/
Let me know if the fancy panorama JavaScript doesn't work.