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Title: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Etcher Squared Games on Thu 27/01/2005 02:25:35
I've heard a lot of people say good things about the Monkey Island Series and I want to play them, but I find like 3 different ones and I wonder, what's the proper order?

I've actually not had good luck trying to find this out on the internet.

So, I basically would like to know the proper order to play them.

thanks
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: BerserkerTails on Thu 27/01/2005 02:27:25
The Secret of Monkey Island
The Secret of Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge
The Curse of Monkey Island
Escape from Monkey Island

Hope you enjoy them! They're all great games, the first three classics in my opinion.
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Etcher Squared Games on Thu 27/01/2005 02:28:56
Quote from: BerserkerTails on Thu 27/01/2005 02:27:25
The Secret of Monkey Island
The Secret of Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge
The Curse of Monkey Island
Escape from Monkey Island

Hope you enjoy them! They're all great games, the first three classics in my opinion.

something wrong with the 4th one?  ;D
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: BerserkerTails on Thu 27/01/2005 02:54:40
Well, nothing WRONG with it per se (Though many people argue this), but it's just not as enjoyable as the first three, in my opinion. It's still a fun adventure, but when I play it, I just don't get the same feeling as playing the others.
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Mr Jake on Thu 27/01/2005 06:58:26
Its good, but the direct control isn't.
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Eggie on Thu 27/01/2005 07:55:32
Ron Gilbert isn't involved with 3 & 4. They both suffer a lot from that...
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: sedriss on Thu 27/01/2005 08:19:28
4 suffer way more than 3 imo.. waaaay more.. monkey combat anyone?
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Nacho on Thu 27/01/2005 08:51:40
Spoiler

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I loved how the supervillian turns in the 4th part into the Yorkshire of a stupid aussie businessman... Man, that's what I call giving depth to a character
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Just in case, I was being sarcastic...
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Rui 'Trovatore' Pires on Thu 27/01/2005 09:07:30
Farlander - matter of opinions. it was a light game, and I, for one, didn't have any trhouble with that... 'cause I KNEW it was a light game from the word go, so I didn«t take it that seriously.

QuoteThey both suffer a lot from that...
Aw, CMI ain't bad. It's pretty damn good, methinks. A very worthy succesor to the series, and yet bringing something new.
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Privateer Puddin' on Thu 27/01/2005 09:31:44
MI2 is the best game ever. seriously.
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Radiant on Thu 27/01/2005 10:06:14
Quote from: Privateer Puddin' on Thu 27/01/2005 09:31:44
MI2 is the best game ever. seriously.

I'll second that.
Just love the library. And the wanted poster. And the puzzles, even the idiotic monkey wrench one :)
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Nacho on Thu 27/01/2005 11:42:44
Quote from: Rui "Erik" Pires on Thu 27/01/2005 09:07:30
Farlander - matter of opinions.

Which part of "I" loved" and "I" was being sarcastic have you missed?

Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Rui 'Trovatore' Pires on Thu 27/01/2005 11:44:55
None. It was the introduction to my own opinion. Chill out, mon.
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Nacho on Thu 27/01/2005 11:45:31
Quote from: Rui "Erik" Pires on Thu 27/01/2005 11:44:55
None. It was the introduction to my own opinion. Chill out, mon.

Oh!  :)
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: BerserkerTails on Thu 27/01/2005 18:27:40
Yeah, I know that Ron Glibert wasn't involved with Monkey Island 3, but I seriously think that it's an amazing game, and fits in quite nicely with the first two. I don't think it suffered from a lack of input from Ron Gilbert.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure MI3 would've been even better with Ron Gilbert at the helm, but I still think it's an amazing game.
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Bombadil on Thu 27/01/2005 18:38:47

I looooooooooooove Monkey Island I & II, but I don't like the other ones... I think they're ok but not at the level of TSOMI...

btw, Iprefer the first one rather than the second one...
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Eggie on Thu 27/01/2005 19:30:29
The ending of MI3 is just...diabolical. I bet Ron Gilbert wouldn't let the team run out of time like that. Oh no!
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Sam. on Thu 27/01/2005 20:14:21
I too felt cheted by the ind of MI3. tom cruise was just never convincing.
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Etcher Squared Games on Thu 27/01/2005 22:17:36
Wow, these games on ebay are either more than I was wanting to pay, or on 5.25" which I can't use  :'(

I'll keep checking, perhaps more will come on later.
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: cpage on Fri 28/01/2005 05:37:09
call me nuts but you could just get them from lucasarts on CD
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Etcher Squared Games on Fri 28/01/2005 12:29:42
Quote from: cpage on Fri 28/01/2005 05:37:09
call me nuts but you could just get them from lucasarts on CD

it says Curse and Escape are available, but the 2 "secret" ones are no longer


(from curse)
  PC Windows    $14.95           Quantity       

Genre: Adventure

In this hilarious third installment in our award winning series, Guybrush Threepwood once again takes up dull blade and rapier wit against the nefarious demon pirate LeChuck. Single player.
The first two Monkey Island games, The Secret of Monkey Island and Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge, are no longer available.
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Scummbuddy on Fri 28/01/2005 12:59:49
It may contain "Monkey Madness": the first two games on one cd
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: PaulSC on Sat 29/01/2005 14:10:57
I and II are all you'll ever need. And all there should ever have been. But I don't want to get into all that again.
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Adamski on Sat 29/01/2005 14:38:17
III is worthy for its soundtrack alone. It is submile. (edit: submile? i'm sure i ment 'sublime')

The rest of the game has a lot of atmosphere too... not as dark as 2 though. It feels piratey and carribean-y though, which EMI doesn't.
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: HillBilly on Sat 29/01/2005 18:30:58
I think MI3 was great. Still, if the game ended at MI2, that would be pretty cool too. It's one of the most funky endings ever.  ;D
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: on Sat 29/01/2005 18:49:03
In regards to SOMI (MI1) and LCR (MI2), I'd suggest eBay. Online stores are the only place you're going to find these games any more. LucasArts had a lot of surplus of SOMI and LCR, so they started the "Mega Monkey Bundle Pack", which contained all four MI games, but it has since been discontinued. LucasArts has sold their remaining stock of SOMI and LCR. Trust me, I emailed them and asked about the games. They're all gone. My parents got me MIM (MI Madness (SOMI & LCR on 1 disk)) off of eBay for Christmas, and with the price they bid it up to, and the shipping and handling, it cost around $50. It was well worth it IMO.

And as for the ending of LCR, I do have an explaination. But... I'm too lazy to go into that now. It's a long story...
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Mr Flibble on Sat 29/01/2005 20:04:57
Also note that CMI and EMI were made for financial reasons. Ron Gilbert said that MI2 was supposed to end it all, and that
Spoiler
The sparks from Chuckie's eyes
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were only added in in case a sequel was requested.

Having said that, CMI is highly enjoyable. EMI is good as well, but listen to too many negative opinions of it. If you play it expecting t to be crap, it will be.

Keep an open mind.
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Krazy on Sun 30/01/2005 10:29:36
Quote from: Mr Flibble on Sat 29/01/2005 20:04:57
Also note that CMI and EMI were made for financial reasons. Ron Gilbert said that MI2 was supposed to end it all, and that
Spoiler
The sparks from Chuckie's eyes
[close]
were only added in in case a sequel was requested.

Having said that, CMI is highly enjoyable. EMI is good as well, but listen to too many negative opinions of it. If you play it expecting t to be crap, it will be.

Keep an open mind.

But hadn't Ron already made plans for his own MI3 before leaving Lucasarts?
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Nacho on Sun 30/01/2005 10:55:47
But that "if you expect it to be crap, it'll be" stalement fails on me. I was disconnected somewhat of the videogames world, but I saw EMI in a shop and I bought it without knowing anything about it.

And I started watching the intro. It was in 3-d, ok, who cares? Manny was too in 3-d and in was supperb. But then... I started playing...  :P
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: HillBilly on Sun 30/01/2005 11:26:52
I started playing EMI in the belive that it was a great game. But at the time I reached Monkey Island, I understood the magic was gone.  :(
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Scummbuddy on Mon 31/01/2005 04:16:22
Farl, when they made Grim a 3D game, it worked with the crazy style of game it was. Taking a perfectly good 2d game/style and pushing it into 3d was only to increase the possibility of selling it. That helped alienate vintage gamers even more away from liking it.

I mean, who wants to play 2d adventures anymore.  ;)
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Adamski on Mon 31/01/2005 16:18:13
It wasn't the 3dness of EMI that made it a bad game for me, it was the complete disregard for the atmosphere and characterisations of the first two games. Monkey Island 3 at least had some team members that worked on the first two games so some of the original spirit was retained, but for EMI it felt as though it was made by an incompetent team that were just trying to ape Bill Tiller's art style in 3D and fill a jumbled mess of ideas around it that featured mangled locations, characters and concepts from the first game.

It didn't even feel remotely pirate-y.
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Esseb on Mon 31/01/2005 16:36:42
Marco


Polo.



/me shivers
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Eggie on Mon 31/01/2005 16:50:39
EMI let me down the minute the game started and it didn't go 'deep in the Carribean...' and then have funky opening credits.

Opening credits are often the best bit of any movie/ game because they show all the non-acting/ programming talent and it's best work...
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Nacho on Mon 31/01/2005 16:57:14
Ah, sorry! I haven't explained myself clearly... my words were "It was in 3-d, ok, who cares?"

That means that I wasn't bothered, even a little bit, for the 3-d stuff... Grim was in 3d too and it was great.

Actually, I was used to big changes of the style of the lucas series because of the great success on changes in a previous game which was not of the series. For example, Indy 3 was a great graphic change if we compare it to Zak or MM. The next games were in that style, Monkey 1 and 2 (but an updated "oil" version, we could say...)

With DoTT the "goofy style" entered in Lucas. Tull Throttle and Sam were graphically good. The next step, with higher resolutions, was COMI. And I loved it. It was not a part of "Ron's Monkey Island", but, who cares? It was good. Someone complained to Cameron for "Alien 2"? No... It was not "Alien, the 8th passenger", but Cameron was not Riddley Scott. He made a nice job, IMO.

With Grim Fandango, the room of the "3d adventures" was opened. I was opened to accept it.

But then... as said before... I started playing... Ã, :P And then... Ditto ditto ditto to what Dark Stalkey said.

I don't know about the English version... But in Spanish, even having the same dubbing actor who made COMI (Who performed perfectly in COMI, very alike to the English version of MI3) it seemed he had just swallowed hellium. That made it childish...

Guybrush is now smaller to the average. In COMI he was bigger. Why did they change it? That made it childish...

All the members of the crew in Elaine's ship are the same guy! I know Monkey Island has some humour based in anacronisms... but pretending that Elaine has some clone tecnology seems going a bit too far for me. And what about the skins for that 3-d models? They're too small, they're terribly pixelated. Were the artist in such a hurry that they were not able to made a decent crew? I don't demmand to make 30 different models for each member of the crew, but at least 5 or 6... Ã, :P

When Guybrush reaches Mêlée...
Spoiler
He crushes Elaine's ha't boxes putting the heavier box at the top, even when Elaine told him not to do it...
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That makes look him terribly stupid, naive and childish... Do you imagine the Guybrush of "LeChuck's revenge" taking Elaine's lugagge? I don't.

And the part I of the game... while Elaine is in Mêlée facing LeChuck, Guybrush is making silly tasks refering to heritages. He has become in Elaine's Yorkshire dog. (Please, don't make me mention Elaine's fringe...)

What about the puzzles... Do you see logic to:

Spoiler
Go to a sewer to see three names that you gotta tell to a man in a protesic shop, so he gives him a protesic skin that will make you jump...
[close]
Where is the logical there?

Spoiler
LeChuck turns into a stupid footman of an Kangoo
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How could he fall so down? It is like making a super-villain reputation for years, and then reveal he is not that dangerous. Do you imagine Darth Vaden coming back in chapter VI as a soldier of fortune hired by a creature like Watto? How would you feel?

Personally, all the "Planet Guybrush" stuff seems pretty stupid for me. As said, anacronisms were a reference for jokes in MI 1 and 2. Making THE WHOLE game an anacronism made me feeling very dissapointed.

And it's the Murray 3-d model issue... I am really talking seriously when I say that a 3-year old kid could have made it better.

And it's the monkey combat... Ã, :P

Again... the 3-d is the smaller problem of EMI...

And the
Spoiler
mech monkey...
[close]
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: HillBilly on Mon 31/01/2005 17:42:30
Man, I really hope I forget all the puzzles in MI2 and 3 so I can play it again.

I also wish I could play MI1 with a graphical inventory system, instead of those silly letters. :P
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Esseb on Mon 31/01/2005 17:44:29
You can.
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: HillBilly on Mon 31/01/2005 17:54:16
Yes, but not with the version I got.  >:(
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Bombadil on Tue 01/02/2005 07:57:37
Quote from: HillBilly on Mon 31/01/2005 17:54:16
Yes, but not with the version I got.  >:(
You can always make a remake for yourself with AGS ^^
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: HillBilly on Tue 01/02/2005 13:20:39
PFfFffT. Lucas Arts would probably cancel it the minute I got started.
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: Rui 'Trovatore' Pires on Tue 01/02/2005 15:11:22
There's no need, anyway. The most recent versions have digital soundtrack and graphics for inventory items. You could buy it *coughcoughoruseemuleorkazaaorp2psoftwarecoughcough* - damn this tuberchulosis.
Title: Re: Monkey Island Series question
Post by: on Thu 03/02/2005 15:54:29
The thing i love about MI3 and grim is the art that went into the graphics. MI3 is like an interactive comic book and grim is just so different looking then any other game ever made i even love the architecture of the buildings!!!

sos if i sound sad (im new)