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Title: New Genre Idea
Post by: nulluser on Wed 31/01/2007 17:26:40
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Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Akatosh on Wed 31/01/2007 17:35:58
Wait, did you mean turning games into movies (as has been done with Lara Croft, Doom,...) or working movies into Point'n'Click adventures (has this been done yet ?) or making games which play like movies (e.g. 6DAS)?
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: nulluser on Wed 31/01/2007 17:42:28
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Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Ashen on Wed 31/01/2007 17:44:16
I believe there've been games 'based on' Cube and Equilibrium (to varying degrees), as well as a bunch of Star Wars projects. (And if you extend it to TV shows, someone started a CSI game a while back.) So, I don't think this is a 'new' genre so much as an under-used one. It's part of the 'Fan Game' genre, I'd say, and they just tend not to get finished. Which can be a shame - there're loads of 'adventure game of the film's I'd love to see done right.
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Akatosh on Wed 31/01/2007 17:44:46
Agreed! I'd like to see a Mr. Monk adventure, for one.

/EDIT: Wait, one moment. Why did I never get the idea to make one myself?
/EDIT EDIT: Oh, yeah. Graphics.
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: GarageGothic on Wed 31/01/2007 17:48:42
Well, Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade and Blade Runner are excellent example of how well suited point-n-click games are for film licenses. Less succesful were Capstones licenses of The Dark Half, Wayne's World, The Beverly Hillbillies, An American Tale, or the Plan 9 From Outer Space game - though it had little to do with the film.

I think there was a MAGS contest about games based on films, but the only one I remember right now was the Donny Darko game.
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: nulluser on Wed 31/01/2007 17:49:01
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Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Akatosh on Wed 31/01/2007 17:51:40
Hello and welcome in the Mr. Monk game team, VintageDemon. First, we will watch some episodes and decide which one we'll watch. Meeting is at your place in 5 minutes, I'm already on my way. Hope you've got something to eat, I'm hungry.
:=

/EDIT: Probably I'm going to make a game idea posts for the Mr. Monk thing. I won't even try this without at least a graphics artist. And a Mr. Monk game would feature much, much thinking stuff, combining informations and such. I already practiced that in the Krisis games. Oh, and it would have a "think" cursor mode.
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: nulluser on Wed 31/01/2007 17:53:54
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Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: esper on Wed 31/01/2007 18:26:35
Nice! If I wasn't hard at work on my own project right now, I could be coerced into making a Monk game. In fact, I still could lend a hand, if needed...

Some other movies/shows which have become AGS games or are becoming AGS games include Doctor Who and The Simpsons. Personally, I had no idea there was a game based on Cube, but I would definitely play it. My game ESPER: Town on the Edge of Darkness is KINDA based on a film, if a no-budget indie film I made in high school counts :P
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: nulluser on Wed 31/01/2007 18:29:26
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Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Ashen on Wed 31/01/2007 19:36:48
Aw, man. How did I forget the Dr. Who game? In my defense, it's currently only a demo (albeit a fully playable, pretty-darn-nifty demo - which I think is already further that previous Dr. Who projects have gotten).
Ooh, there's also voh's Diagnosis: Murder game. Not sure how far along it is, but it definitely beats out a Monk game IMO. Not that I wouldn't play the Monk game, if nothing else it'd be good for interesting reasons you can't interact with some things. ("It's not lazy game design, he's germophobic!")
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Da_Elf on Wed 31/01/2007 19:53:51
i think games from tv shows work better since you can make a game based on a tv series and the story doesnt have to be the same as any of the episodes as long as it has the right feel to it. a movie however isnt really a game for a movie unless it follows the exact story (otherwise its not the game for the movie) problem there is that after watching the movie you know the plot, the ending everything. which makes the game boring
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: nulluser on Wed 31/01/2007 20:25:20
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Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: esper on Wed 31/01/2007 21:12:33
One of my favorite all-time (commercial) point-and-click adventure games was star Trek 25th Anniversary Edition from Interplay. Interplay just makes good games, especially back in the day (I call your attention to Bard's Tale, Wasteland, Tass Times in Tonetown, and the non-adventure Battle Chess), but I loved ST25AE. It played out exactly like eight episodes of the show. I played the original on my Tandy, and then when I got my first regular PC I got the talkie version starring the original cast. Good times.

Dang it, Ashen, I thought for a half hour about Diagnosis: Murder and wound up completely drawing a blank and mentioning the Simpsons games instead.
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Joseph DiPerla on Thu 01/02/2007 00:02:59
I wish they would put movies and shows into games. Some games I personally would love to see done that to is:

Smallville
Justice League
Batman
Futurama
24
North by Northwest
To catch a thief
Dial M for Murder
Star Wars
Prison Break

Just to name a few...
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Snarky on Thu 01/02/2007 02:33:39
No one's thought to mention Sektor 13's Stargate Adventure (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=23288.0)?
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Luke Lockhart on Thu 01/02/2007 06:02:13
This has been done for sure in the past, and can probably be done again. Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't there been several adventure-style games done based upon the CSI & Law & Order licenses - which are television and thus fairly close to the movie idea?

In any case, I agree that SAW is an idea for a dark adventure game in itself. The problem being, of course, that for amateur developers such as ourselves it would be very hard to score such a license. No one, however, can stop us from doing derivatives...
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Das Plans on Thu 01/02/2007 06:32:22
What's the deal with adventure games? - I once thought about doing a Seinfeld adventure. I'm still in love with this idea, but I find it extremly hard to come up with puzzles for that one. Funny dialogues? - Yes. Entertaining gameplay? - Well ...
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: ManicMatt on Thu 01/02/2007 09:36:17
Most of these are already games! Just not adventure games..

"Justice League"

Crap beat em up RPG game.

"Batman"

Always a crap game.

"Futurama"

Crap shoot em up adventure game.

24

Average game.

Star Wars

(Being made into a  p' n c' with AGS, no?)
Some good, most crap.
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens on Thu 01/02/2007 09:37:48
Shadows of the Empire is looking to be an interesting adventure game if it ever gets finished.  And Esper, tell me you played Judgement Rites as well!
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Akatosh on Thu 01/02/2007 14:47:43
Heh... if it should ever get finished, that is. Probably on Duke Nukem Forever day.

http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=28807.msg383308#msg383308
Now officially recruiting for a Mr. Monk game.
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: nulluser on Thu 01/02/2007 16:12:51
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Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Unknown_Terror on Thu 01/02/2007 16:43:40
Has anyone done a Red Dwarf game?
I'd really love to see that. As for the Monk game, i'm guessing you mean that ex-detective guy, I love watching monk. Can't wait for the game.
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: nulluser on Thu 01/02/2007 16:44:47
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Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Akatosh on Thu 01/02/2007 17:19:30
Heh, you can't wait for the monk game even before we started working? JESUS, we are good!  :=

VintageDemon - I, um, don't appear have MSN. How about ICQ? I'm 305-601-174 (Akatosh). What timezone do you live in? If it's somewhere in Europe, I think we can arrange a proper time. I'm at GMT +1, meaning "Germany".
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: nulluser on Thu 01/02/2007 17:51:42
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Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Radiant on Thu 01/02/2007 18:02:23
Oh I'm sure there were a few to-game spinoffs that got it right? HHGTG is an almost-legendary text adventure. Companions of Xanth was enjoyable. Ok, those are books :)  There's quite a lot of James Bond games? Oh darn, also books. Hm.
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: ginanubismon on Thu 01/02/2007 22:00:26
Speaking of books, I was thinking of how I would love to see a game version of Cool Air or Pickman's model.

At the moment I am working on an idea loosely based off of Lovecraft's lesser known, er, I mean lesser referenced material like mentioned above as some others.

But I would love to see a "fall of the house of Usher" game.
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: esper on Thu 01/02/2007 22:05:34
There was a Fall of the House of Usher game. I forget all about it though. I think FotHoU might have been one of the scenarios in The Dark Eye, but I don't know.

And Progzy, in my version of ST:25th Anniversary there was a long trailer advertising Judgment Rites. Alas, I searched high and low for it, and could never find it.
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Joseph DiPerla on Thu 01/02/2007 23:31:15
Quote from: ManicMatt on Thu 01/02/2007 09:36:17
Most of these are already games! Just not adventure games..

"Justice League"

Crap beat em up RPG game.

"Batman"

Always a crap game.

"Futurama"

Crap shoot em up adventure game.

24

Average game.

Star Wars

(Being made into a  p' n c' with AGS, no?)
Some good, most crap.


True, but I would like to see them as adventure games. And shadows of the empire is great, but I would also like to see the two trilogies made into PNC adventures.
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Sam. on Fri 02/02/2007 03:56:52
THIS IS A TOTALLY NEW GENRE.
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: nulluser on Fri 02/02/2007 15:53:16
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Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Sam. on Fri 02/02/2007 16:01:00
It's a good job you thought of it, you're exactly the kind of quick witted journalist I want on my newspaper, you're hired!
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Mr Flibble on Fri 02/02/2007 17:12:53
I started, and later stopped, a Red Dwarf fangame. I got most of the sprites done, they looked pretty spiffy too.

TheVintageDemon: You had me worried at "funkay" and positively scared at "muscular hardcore". :P
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: esper on Fri 02/02/2007 21:35:54
I'm surprised no one's mentioned this yet...

(http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/8391/fakescreenieav6.jpg)
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens on Sat 03/02/2007 07:44:04
there were two x-files games made that I know of, one an interactive movie and the other a resident evil clone called Resist or Serve.  Why is Scully so huge?
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: mkennedy on Sat 03/02/2007 10:41:21
There were 2 "Evil Dead" based games and one based on "John Carpenter's, the Thing", Not to mention countless "Lord of the Rings" games. There are also a few "Pirates of the Caribean" games avialable and an online version coming up if I'm not mistaken. The genre could probably best be classified as "Fan work" (unless it's comercial) and could extend to fan games, fanfiction, and fan art. Some good ideas for adventure games I'd like to see:

Futurama
Simpsons
SouthPark
Evil Dead/Army of Darkness
Doctor Who

Other sources for fan games:

Battlestar Galactica (has no one thought of this?)
Lost (There may be a comercial one in the works...)
24
Babylon 5
Star Trek
Star Wars



Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Erenan on Sat 03/02/2007 15:58:17
MacGyver!
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: blueskirt on Sat 03/02/2007 17:03:23
For Star Trek and Futurama, there is already Space Quest which is basically scifi and parody in the same game. And there's also 2 Star Trek adventure games by Interplay.

For Batman it really depend which Batman you got in mind, if it's the old 60s Batman, Fatman is in the same vein.

Superhero League of Hoboken is pretty much like Justice League, except more funny and more crazy.

Prison Break would be nice but I don't know how it could be done with today's adventure games standards (no death sequences, no walking deads, no timers...). I guess it would require solving a certain problem everyday rather than total free roaming.
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: esper on Sat 03/02/2007 17:14:59
@ Progzy: because I suck at pixel art. Either that, or it's some kind of Freudian/Jungian thing where I see special agent Dana Scully as being somewhat of a mother figure and looming precariously over my id (Mulder) and EGO (Roger). :P
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Joseph DiPerla on Sat 03/02/2007 23:43:37
Quote from: mkennedy on Sat 03/02/2007 10:41:21
Some good ideas for adventure games I'd like to see:

Futurama
Simpsons
SouthPark
Evil Dead/Army of Darkness
Doctor Who

There was a Futurama Fan game being made that was cancelled. South Park was also made by AGS a few years back. Doctor who is currently in Development by someone in the Games in progress forum.

And for simpsons, thats my department. Check out the HUGE simpsons game template here(4 megabytes): http://www.energonplant.com/SimpsonTemp.zip
It has 43 rooms, most of which already have the walkable area's and walkbehind done and the scaling done. Most of them can also be linked together. It has like 11 characters or something like that and several sprites and each character has their own gui as well as some other crucial GUI's needed. The gui's are already programmed in. This may work on the latest version of AGS, but please remember it was compiled with earlier versions.

and A demo of Where's Maggie: http://energon-plant.com/OLD_ENERGON/SimpWM.rar
(This one is around 3 megabytes and was actually updated this month. Also, keep hitting the "F" KEYS to get around. EG: F1 F5 F7 etc...)
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Rui 'Trovatore' Pires on Sun 04/02/2007 00:17:58
The problem with these adaptations (which aren't "new genres", obviously - it's a strategy/rpg/FPS/adventure game adaptation of a film. Is the novelization of a film a distinct literary genre? Is the book-film adaptation a distinct cinematic genre?) is that they rely too much on the fame of their source of choice. Their selling point is the Lost/Futurama/Batman/WHATEVER name, and it usually masks poor gameplay. They usually focus on one or two aspects that made the film (or whatever) popular and then forget even how to tie it into a coherent narrative or a pleasant gaming experience. Games like The Dark Eye or Philip Marlowe Private Eye or Discworld have shown people what to do. People still haven't learned.
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Mr Flibble on Sun 04/02/2007 01:05:08
Quote from: BlueSkirt on Sat 03/02/2007 17:03:23
no death sequences, no walking deads, no timers...

...You can still have all these things. Most people don't like walking deads because they can get a bit annoying and gradually sap the enjoyment value of the game. But actual death is still widely done. Same with timers. You could do walking deads too, if you wanted.
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: GreenBoy on Sun 04/02/2007 05:53:35
Pardon my stupidity but what is a walking dead?  ???
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Gilbert on Sun 04/02/2007 05:59:11
http://americangirlscouts.org/agswiki/Walking_Dead
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: nulluser on Sun 04/02/2007 17:54:24
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Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Hammerite on Sun 04/02/2007 18:25:11
why do you love licensed products so much?
wouldn't it be better if it had ELEMENTS of those shows, but with your own original sort of storyline?
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: nulluser on Sun 04/02/2007 18:32:48
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Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: MrColossal on Sun 04/02/2007 18:38:25
How about you just go make a game... Stop posting so much and do something with all your energy. Constantly posting lists of shows or movies that you'd like to see be made into a game has gotten old.
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Akatosh on Sun 04/02/2007 18:41:28
We are making a game. A Mr Monk game. Don't ask for details, we won't tell you  :=

(still looking for a character artist...)
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: nulluser on Sun 04/02/2007 18:52:04
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Post by: esper on Sun 04/02/2007 19:13:29
Then how did you...

...wait, no. That would be mean.
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Akatosh on Sun 04/02/2007 19:17:33
Just the joke I expected  ::)

Be nice, esper. I might have forgotten to list you on the team list, but still, you are a team member.  ;)
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Mr Flibble on Mon 05/02/2007 22:16:30
Quote from: TheVintageDemon on Sun 04/02/2007 18:32:48
but just stuck on a strange island with a bunch of lunatics and a really crazy storyline)??

Gilligan's Island?
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Joseph DiPerla on Tue 06/02/2007 03:29:48
That would make a great game!
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Oliwerko on Tue 06/02/2007 16:35:52
Hey, only two films come to my mind there:

Once upon a time in the west

and

Jack the Ripper
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: nulluser on Tue 06/02/2007 16:44:19
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Post by: Hammerite on Tue 06/02/2007 17:12:25
Quote from: TheVintageDemon on Wed 31/01/2007 17:26:40
Well, a cool new genre idea would be film games. I think potentially cool movie games would be potential point-'n'-click games. We've already seen Saw turned into a game, why stop there? What about classic films like Whatever Happened To Baby Jane?? I think, put in the right contexts, these games could make one hell of a great genre. :)

yeah some seriously phenomenal ideas there.

::)
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: nulluser on Tue 06/02/2007 17:14:03
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Post by: Hammerite on Tue 06/02/2007 17:14:57
Me?
Sarcasm?
NEVER!

::)
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: nulluser on Tue 06/02/2007 17:48:47
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Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: Jdinky on Wed 07/02/2007 14:52:57
Quote from: TheVintageDemon on Wed 31/01/2007 17:49:01
Well, a Monk one could be potentionally hilarious... The GUI could be his mind and OCD thoughts running through them! But we don't need sissy 'based-on' games, we need full-on muscular hardcore games!

P.S - Don't make me do them. I'm too fat and lazy to even try. And I don't have the skills.

I wanna see your game!
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: nulluser on Wed 07/02/2007 15:48:02
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Post by: Snake on Wed 07/02/2007 16:32:58
I'd love to see a Law & Order adventure game. I think that would kick ass.


--Snake
Title: Re: New Genre Idea
Post by: nulluser on Wed 07/02/2007 16:46:18
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