What are your opinions about nudity in games? Meaning, PG13 type of nudity -- maybe characters shown from the back, or topless? Seeing as how games with some degree of nudity get 10x the downloads, its very tempting to add something!
We were thinking of adding something to game that is in production. It would be optional, so the player would get a warning before entering the scene, and would have an option of not viewing anything objectionable. Optionally, we could have two builds -- one censored, one not. The storyline is designed for adults anyway.
I don't feeling like sorting through 10,000 emails of complaint either, which is my concern.
Would these characters look like those 3D models seen in your previous games? Erm.. how can I put this? They don't look attractive enough that I'd want to see any nudity on them. :-X
Hahahaha @ ManicMatt!!!!
I would probably say that if it was done in a mature manner, with an actual reason behind doing it for reasons other than getting more downloads, I'd be fine with it.
If it was done in an immature manner, for comedy, probably would still be fine with it. Depending on whether it suits the game or not.
LOL, we've improved them substantially. They look a lot less stiff -- not perfect, but much less "zombie," kwim. Lemme see if I can dig up a clothed sample.
Jake, plus one of the dancers in a club scene. The second isn't really ready yet, but you get the idea.
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l46/PlasticOstrich/jake.jpg)
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l46/PlasticOstrich/woman.jpg)
This is such a conservative group. Not something I would have expected from most gamers. Keeping that in mind, I tread carefully!
Hey I liked Jacking off with zombies.
Damn, guess I'llhave to play Res4
That's the weirdest rendered tutu I've ever seen.
Just adding nudity to a game in order to increase the amount downloads is a very cheap shot and superficial game design - it's on the level with adding pixel hunts to artificially increase play time - and like most cheap shots, it works.
Read this article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_Came_The_Stranger) for a good example.
Also, Dutch movie producers generally add a nude scene or sex scene in the middle of the film that has no relevance to the plot. Once you get past the level of "he heh, boobies", you realize what a lousy film it actually was to need this kind of trick.
Quote from: Radiant on Mon 12/11/2007 12:12:58
Just adding nudity to a game in order to increase the amount downloads is a very cheap shot.
And the word "rape (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/games.php?action=detail&id=238)". := (Sorry AGA)
True, but its mostly Americans that are so hung up on nudity. If you speak with a lot of Europeans, its not a big deal.
I live in Africa, and there are traditional topless woman on tv all the time. Here it's not really considered nudity at all, depending on where you live.
I don't really mind nudity, but I'm certainly not going to waste time on a crap game just because it has tits and ass (I recently had to watch Basic Instinct 2 and the only moderately interesting thing about the bloody movie was its use of that wonderfully phallic gherkin-building in London's financial district). On the other hand, if you're making an otherwise solid game where nudity has a natural part in the plot - I assume that the "club" you're referring to is a strip club? - I say go for it. I doubt it will lose you many players, and possibly gain you a few... If there's male nudity, I do hope that it will be from other character than that Jake guy though, 'cause I'm really not sure I want to see his boney white ass.
The game has a strip club in it, because Part I involves Jake working as a private detective, mostly on infidelity cases. I could put the girls in bikinis, and it wouldn't hurt the story any. I am not sexist -- it there's female nudity, there will be male nudity too. Only fair! But, we're talking very tame stuff, seriously.
I actually wanted to make a game about a guy who aspired to become a porn star and had to go through these 'scenes' with various characters. And it mattered on if you would go through with it as it will determine your title as a straight, gay, bi pornstar or the ULTIMATE pornstar (A title which aquires you to do something that is illegal in most parts of the world; I'm not even talking about S&M here)
But then I settled for Project Hecka, much easier to make.
I think the 3D models are good (I'd like to see Jake...ahem) anyways you can cencor it if you want, in fact it could be part of he game as a joke.
Well, this should go through the same filter as any other potentially meaningless detail in a game, movie, novel or whatever. Does it serve a purpose for the narrative or the game mechanics?
Quote from: RedBlob on Mon 12/11/2007 12:31:29
True, but its mostly Americans that are so hung up on nudity.
Well, yeah. To appease those, you could add an option that creates black bars over the naughty bits, so that concerned people can turn that on.
Viz. the Spellcasting text adventures, where you would actually visit a nude love goddess in her bedroom to
do crossword puzzles, unless you turned the "naughty" option on.
Quote from: RedBlob on Mon 12/11/2007 12:31:29
...but its mostly Americans that are so hung up on nudity...
As an American, I can agree with this statement, even if I don't happen to fit this particular stereotype. We're still working on breaking through the puritanical origins of our country, and the fundamental Christian sects that have since maintained the majority of our voting population. But consider that the largest grossing industry in the US happens to be adult entertainment. So the closet liberals are out there, just not in charge yet!
Personally, I must reiterate the sentiments of the previous posters. If graphics (no matter how graphic) support the story, or the purpose of the game (which may indeed be purely sexual), I see no reason omit them, as long as there's sufficient warning of the content prior to game play, or even download (that's what meta-data if for).
As a parent, I admit to a bit of concern for what my kids are exposed to, but I take that responsibility. I don't agree with the mass censorship of ANYTHING. Subject matter is a personal decision, as much as faith or philosophy is, so don't let 'moral majority' dictate what you produce. Just take responsibility for a little bit of forewarning.
Nudity is favorable and most wanted, so why not, I wouldn't mind :) might even go as far as playing it.
QuoteIt would be optional, so the player would get a warning before entering the scene, and would have an option of not viewing anything objectionable. Optionally, we could have two builds -- one censored, one not.
What a sick amount of political correctness. Hell, spoils all the fun.
If you want some tits and ass in your game, go ahead! It's your game!
I don't see much point in warning and doubting to the left and right because of this.
Frontal nudity isn't much of a shock to any sane person, especially a kid, everyone has a TV.
Dreamweb had a full sex scene in it. So did Fahrenheit: Indigo Prophecy
Both are superb games and scene didn't either add or remove anything significant.
But like everything, nudity should have a point in the game. Not just to be there...
Sex in AGS games has a mixed history:
"Alien Rape Escape" was a intricate, multi-layered experiment in how anything that sounds remotely sexual will get hits*. The only nudity it contains is a blink-and-you'll-miss-it shot of a pair of pixel-ified nipples.
"Flashbax" contains a short scene of old-man masturbation, complete with animated ejaculation, which caused a lot of people to get very indignant.
"The Forgotten Element" came in for a lot of flak, because its female lead had large (clothed) breasts, something that a lot of people objected to.
Personally, I feel that nudity/sexual content can have a place in games beyond commercial toss such as
Lula 3D or Magna Cum Laude or various Hentai games.
There are half-arsed attempts to include sexual content in "mainstream" games; God of War 2, on PS2, features topless women, in a sex-based minigame that doesn't show actual intercourse, but rather a purile attempt at mis-direction (the stream of water from a nearby fountain becomes more pronounced the closer the women come to orgasm) complete with "Ooh!'s and Ahh!'s" from off-camera.
The "Hot Coffee" debacle, on the other hand, shows how adding such content can backfire, resulting in completely overblown knee-jerk reactions.
How does all of this relate to a quick shot of a topless dancer? Well, in my opinion, games that contain even remotely sexual content are prone to be lumped together with purely "pornographic" videogames.
Personally, if you feel that the nudity has a point, then I don't see any reason not to include it. Hell, even if it doesn't have a point, you are free to produce your game as you see fit, something that I wholeheartedly support.
People will react as people are prone to react in these situations, but it's their problem. Unless you want to start making games you think people will want to play, instead of the games you want them to play, I'd stick with your original plan.
*At least AGA swears that's what it was.
EDIT: Using nudity to generate hits is, to me, counter-productive. It's not something I would personally do, but it's a free world.
Quote from: LimpingFish on Mon 12/11/2007 19:26:39"Flashbax" contains a short scene of old-man masturbation, complete with animated ejaculation, which caused a lot of people to get very indignant.
Wasn't it just Vel making so much fuss about it that it seemed like a lot of people?
There was a really hot practically naked pole dancer in the demo trailer for Dark Earth many years ago...
...and it was almost purely for that reason that I bought the game.
But I gave up on it long before I reached that part ;)
I have no real problem with nudity, sexual scenes etc. But an old man masturbation scene would make me cringe. But that's mainly cos I'm a young guy who's all up for seeing semi-naked pole dancers but not orgasming OAP's. Still, I'm sure you could find someone who enjoys that kinda thing ;)
My demo featured boobies and it was nominated for best demo 2006! But I like to think that was because of the amazing puzzles and not the animated boobs :p Though they too were amazing sprite works... LOL.
good luck!
ps - not so sure you'll be able to keep your 13+ rating with nudity in it though, but from what I've seen, that scene looks fantastic...should work well :) tho, can't say I'd personally be a fan of a warning prior to a scene with nudity, that would be really odd. A warning before or on the start up screen would suffice.
But you see, we've become so desensitized by porn and the internet that we no longer need games with sex in it...just find your nearest Google and "Jack in" if you will.
The internet is really really great for porn
I've got a fast connection so i don't have to wait for porn
There's always some new site for porn
I browse all day and night for porn
It's like i'm surfing at the speed of light for porn
-- Avenue Q (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avenue_Q)
What wonderous poetry, you've just rhymed "porn" with "porn"!
You're a poet and didn't know it!
You'll find that it does rhyme if you remove the "for porn" exclamations (which are sung by a different character). Also I don't think Radiant is the pen name of Robert Lopez and Jeff Marx.
I've accepted that not everyone gives a damn about Broadway, but don't kids these days keep up with internet memes? Dancing WoW creatures? Hello?
Sexy gnomes make good eye candy.
I'd ike to take it one step further: Games already are very, very sexist.
Looking at the game scene everyone will realise that we all buy games with a sexy "hook". Take Lara Croft. Take Nightsong. Take Jade. Take the Diablo 2 Amazon (and the Sorceress, oooh, the Sorceress 8) )
They are story elements that sell a game. Even Tomb Raider 5 sold okay because of the lady.
Often enough I find myself facing a character screen that allows me to play as a male or a female character. Often enough I go for the lady. Why? She's nicer to look at. I am male, I have a body, I'm okay with it, but I would rather spend a few hours jumping through ruins looking at Lara's back than mine.
I's say nudity in a game as part of the story, go for it- it may enrich your game and offer you a hook to get the x10 d'loads. But only if the game can justify it. Nudity in a good game won't lose you players, but nudity for the sake of it, nah, there's only one series where that ever worked, and that was LSL. Part 3, I think.
Just a personal opinion: I always found a woman more attractive when she had clothes on, hinting at her perfect figure. Sheer nakedness always lacks some of the magic that a plain soft shirt can cast.
Hmmm... I prefer nudity to naked people. Plus, naked people often equates to tasteless models of naked women likely created by a 14 yr old teen and often in various positions that we've all likely seen already. It's like the person's never seen sex before and thus, needs to show you as many as sex positions as possible.
Nudity to me, means that it's done more tastefully. A bit of skin here and there showing but not so "in your face".
But hey, it's your game, do what you want. *shrugs*
As a female, I've rarely gone for the female characters in most games. They tend to sound like they're having sex all the time and overall, I think it's actually more insulting to the average male's intelligence since it seems to indicate they're incapable of thinking something other than sex.
QuoteJust a personal opinion: I always found a woman more attractive when she had clothes on, hinting at her perfect figure. Sheer nakedness always lacks some of the magic that a plain soft shirt can cast.
Hey, nice comment! I totally see where you're coming from. But lets not expand this, I think it's a personal kink thing... ;)
(Sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex...)
What?
The new Conan (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/27327.html) game:Bondage! Breasts! Gimlet-eyed women!
God of War 2 (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/17014.html): Bubbles! Breasts! Gimlet-eyed women!
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Breasts are the new bullet-time, it would seem.
But five years ago bullet time was the new breasts...
Nudity will never grow old ;)
LOL at God of War 2 though. Every time something interesting happens we see a closeup of some pissing fountain? Great. So are the developers giving people boobs or are they giving them pissing fountains? Lol, sheer awfulness :/
Well as far as I'm concerned, pretty half-nude women are an essential par of Conan the Barbarian, whereas stupid magic isn't. Just a sidenote.
If someone wants to make a porn game, zats alright, just make sure its marked PORN.
And if the nudity makes sence for the story and its not just a drool factor to increase sales/downloads whatever, then fine go with that. And if its art and your claiming its art, fine, art seems to be whatever you say is art. and if its meant to be funny, if it really is funny, not just a joke been told by a topless woman of the female presausion, okey, alright. but if its just there to sell copies or add downloads or controversal for publicity, then no way pal, youve crossed my line. Its probebly not everyones line, but its mine.
...what's funny is that I was debating on adding a scene in my game I'm currently fervently working on (it's a secret, hehee) where the main character becomes an elf-lord's concubine and has to somehow escape without being assaulted by him. I was actually wondering weather a cutscene showing that one nudity-filled scene would be too much for an innocent adventure game - you know if the main character doesn't escape in time. I'm not really into hardcore pornographic imagery, I would keep it tasteful... perhaps add some animations here and there but cover parts with a cloth or bedpost, lol.
But I would definitely cringe inwardly knowing so many people would see it... what if my grand-ma downloads it?!! Doh!!
If I grandmother played adventure games I'd switch to her ginkoba...
I must say it's hard to imagine a strip club scene without naked people. Because those strippers usually tend to get naked in there. And if there would be warning just before the scene it would be really awkward.
Quote from: zabnat on Wed 14/11/2007 06:43:21
I must say it's hard to imagine a strip club scene without naked people.
Well, yes, but is there a functional reason why the game plays in a strip club as opposed to a regular disco, or is that just to draw attention to the game?
Also, depending on what you want, you can go a long way with implying nudity without actually showing it, either in a serious way (silhouettes and so forth) or by parodying it (think about the opening scene to Austin Powers 2).
I never quite got the arbitrary 'limit' of nudity. If a person is wearing a bikini, it is okay (although if they are in their underwear, it is somehow less okay, though we'll skip over that in this topic). If a person is wearing all their clothes, and hell, even a hat, but has a 'stylish slash' ::) across the breasts that expose the nipples, it is not okay? Or if a person is completely naked except for...a sticker exactly covering the nipples, and has her legs crossed, it is not okay? Or if a person is without any pants, but the excessive amounts of hair they have in that region covers everything controversial, it is okay?
That being said, unless it is absolutely unnatural without it, I would probably not have nudity in a game I make. Of course, it probably has something to do with the type and style of games I'd like to make (Ever notice how movies use the double sets of saggy bouncy boobies around the one man to indicate his immoral hookering?).
heh, good point babar. Just add a blur around the buttcrack, the genitals and on the nipples, and nudity at least on prime time tv is completely allright even though the covered part would be some 0,1%of the body. Or even better, apply strings, and you don't have to blur the behind or the front, just the two nipples that no-one cares about.
In the God of War games, I didn't understand why the breasts were modeled after implants. This was obviously a purposeful (though anachronistic) design decision.
However, the "sex" minigames were far from frivolous. They appeared early on in both games (GOW: beginning of second level, GOW2: end of first level) and taught the player all the motions for the boss action sequences and finishing moves for some of the enemy types (gorgon, cyclops, etc.). It served to give the player a way to practice the moves without punishment.
You must admit that it's a very arbitrary presentation of that feature, though. How about depicting it as actual practicing or sparring? Or am I old-fashioned?
Quote from: big brother on Wed 14/11/2007 16:17:05
In the God of War games, I didn't understand why the breasts were modeled after implants. This was obviously a purposeful (though anachronistic) design decision.
Obviously because the modelers have never seen any real breasts ;)
I haven't played Gods of War, but the idea to have a sexy minigame as a training element sounds... odd. It's like, I dunno, reading the Playboy to learn how to beat the Spider Mastermind.
Quote from: EldKatt on Wed 14/11/2007 21:33:20
How about depicting it as actual practicing or sparring?
I guess they assume that, as the ultimate deity of all forms of combat (and the son of the King of the Gods), he wouldn't need to practice fighting. Sparring would make him less badass, unlike having threesomes with fake-tittied women.
The minigame isn't framed as training, it's just that the movements are the same as the ones you encounter in later boss battles. As a result, it feels more fair than if they just sprung all these new commands on you in the heat of combat.
As for the Spider Mastermind, Hustler is the preferred weapon.
What a flimsy pretext to have some smut in the game.
The story is also a flimsy pretext to have some violence in the game but, so it goes!
Western society seems to allow violance more then sex. We have had bloody balleds andslaughtering sega for eons but sex didn't enter into it on them same level. I wonder why? maybe its the climate for northern europe.
Nudity in games doesn't bother me in the least, and can even add atmosphere to the story if it's done properly -- Gabriel Knight 1 comes to mind in that regard.
That being said, however, if nudity is the only real selling point for your game, perhaps a little redesign might be in order... unless it's one of those wacky Japanese games, then, by all means, the more the better, I suppose.
I'm guilty of putting nudity in more than half of my Barn Runner games (the laziest form of Easter Egg, I know, but I like what I like). Most people never find it and the few who do (and e-mail me about their discovery, at any rate) are usually amused. The only two exceptions that I can recall off hand are a woman who said it was "tacky" (oh, the irony!) and a guy who unlocked the boobs-a-poppin' secret ending to Barn Runner 2 while his little boy was sitting there with him. That letter was hilarious and father and son really bonded over the moment, but of course, junior just HAD to say something to mom about it later that evening. For some unfathomable reasone, she did not find it as amazing as her son did. Nevertheless, the dad thought the whole thing was funny enough to share with me.
Still, packing your game with boobs just to pad it out and distract from the lackluster design will probably ensure more sales than a well-designed, but low-key adventure game. But good games can use copious amounts of boobage as icing on the cake. Leisure Suit Larry wouldn't be quite as enjoyable to me without the racier bits (and Love for Sail had the most awesomest Easter Eggs of the entire series), but everyone has different opinions about this sort of thing.
Well, I'm beginning to use words that don't exist, so I'll wrap this up. I need to get back to my new Barn Runner game, Wreck The Halls, and finish it up in time for its super-secret limited Christmas release (don't tell anyone!). Hopefully, I'll find a way to hide some boobs in that game too. Because, really, is there a better gift for Christmas than the gift of secret boobs?
Just my two cents,
Ponch
ever see "the meaning of life?" that had christmas AND boobs, dozens in fact, at the same time! If those geniuses can do dozens, I am sure you can stick at least one in there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapelay
If this is possible, then so is everything else.
(but notice the unusually short length of the article...)
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My two cents, even though it's nothing people haven't said already:
Nothing against nudity, if it's there for a reason. In fact, I've nothing against anything, if it's done tastefully and conscienciously. And I shall now give a non-nudity example:
In the "Cabaret" musical, there's an act, called "If you could see her". The guy's singing to the audience, saying what a great gal the monkey he's with is. She reads music, she's smart... if you could see her through my eyes, he says, she wouldn't look jewish at all.
In the context of the whole musical, this is ok - it's set in germany, in the appropriate time-frame.
But hearing this song out of contest, in - say - a concert with many songs from many musicals, that last line ("If you could see her through my eeeeeeeeeyes... she wouldn't look jewish at all!") would make me cringe.
Context, context, context. With taste and care, everything's possible. The beauty of a free world, right? It means "I get to do what I want".
Mind you, it also means "I get to be punished if I do something overtly wrong, because everyone else gets to do what they want too".
Interesting point, Rui.
But, as I've said in past debates, to bring commercial Hentai, in this case Rapelay (http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/rapelay) (MobyGames has more info), into the mix, you would have to examine Japan's approach to pornography as a whole, a multifaceted debate far too complex to engage in any meaningful manner without devoting an unhealthy chunk of bandwidth to it.
Quote from: Rui "Trovatore" Pires on Sat 17/11/2007 10:32:02
Nothing against nudity, if it's there for a reason.
Some would argue that to arouse a sexual response in the viewer is a valid reason for nudity. Of course this will vary from person to person, which is why most nudity/sexual content in games is so generic.
On the other hand, such stimulation of the viewer is a transient response, and once satiated, the viewer is left without the "need" for such material.
Which means a sexually explicit game, of the basest nature, is nothing more than a masturbatory aid. And, as such, requires little in the way of subtlety or depth.
Rapelay, and the like, go
way beyond simple nudity, artistic or otherwise, though. Even the inclusion of an explicit
consentual interactive sex scene in an otherwise mainstream game would be lightyears from what Rapelay is, and the reason it exists.
The way such scenes are depicted, in God of War, Fahrenheit, etc, shows that attitudes to
interactive sexual content among western developers is limited to mild titilation of the most generic kind, and not as a form of pornography.
The problem I have with nudity in media is that people are so self-rightous hypocrites who say there's nothing there. Sex sells. Proven fact, but admit it! I mean, if you want to make a game that is intended as a wank fest, then state that. I also hate people who say that hentai games have powerful stories and that's why they're played. Last time I checked, hentai meant deviant in Japanese, not intelligent human being who values story over the ammount of cream that comes out of his small and blister-covered penis.
Ahem. The moral is this, if you make pr0n, say you make pr0n and be proud of it, it won't affect the number of downloads you get, I'm sure.
Three pages of this thread and no boobies! >:(
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Mine is way bigger than that.
's true, i've seen it
Stay on topic people, before the moderators come......i actually like that size....cute.
Indeed, lets stick to conversations rather than diagrams people ;)
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Personally, I have the aesthetics of a 14 year-old, and I don't care who knows it. If I was going to use nudity in my game for tittilation's sake, I'd pack the game with it, put a warning on the game's website and make certian everyone who downloaded the game knew what they were getting into. Whether it's a comical throwaway gag game like Leisure Suit Larry, or a "serious" sex sim, or a facetious project designed to underscore the fact that sex sells, no matter how bad the game, I would want to make sure that if the nudity's there, people know it's there before they even load the game. I certianly wouldn't sneak that sort of content into a game.
Now, if "Hey, look-- SEX!" wasn't the objective of the game, then I probably wouldn't use nudity at all, or if I did, I would use non-explicit, tasteful, hinted-at nudity like in 6 Days a Sacrifice.
If the game's not built around tittilation, AND it's not a raunchy comedy full of sex and toilet humor, AND it's not artistic enough to justify artsy-fartsy shaded figures... then it actually sounds kinda boring. Why would you think adding nudity to the game would save it?
That said, there's no good reason why a regular normal adventure game would HIDE nudity from the player, if the player does something like peep through a hole into the womens' locker room. But again, that implies a comedic slant. The content in your game should support the theme of the game, be that theme love or suspense or action or mystery.
So yeah, I say don't tack on nudity, especially not as an easter egg, but do feel free to use nudity in your game if you think it helps you express your ideas.
If you must do it, though, at least do it right. Make it deliberately arousing or deliberately disgusting, but don't just throw any old nudity up on the screen and expect riches and fame to follow. At the very least, you should be trying to elicit some particular response. And if you make the model, and it doesn't ellicit that intended response, then maybe your game is better off without it. The Uncanny Valley is a clever foe. Always be wary.
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I agree with the other people who say that if it supports the game its okay. But depending on the mood you are going for, tantalizing glimpses of a naked curve here and there is more sexy than full frontal. This is a woman's point of view, of course. If you were trying to catch both men and women players attention. Show the flex of a bicep, the curve of a breast, the bunching of muscles under skin (if possible). All that is more sexy then just the whole in your face thing.
I agree it is more sexy, granted its probebly not more titilating for most guys but its still more SEXY. its like a virtual old style burlesque without LITERLY being one. A good TEASE can be very effective.
Hey, a tease is always more tintilating.
Following on the lines of what has been just said, you have to decide whether you want tintilating or just titilating.
With the right music, you can change the mood from erotic to sexy to sleazy and use the same graphics. Done right, that could be a powerful part of the game.
Quote from: Madea on Mon 19/11/2007 00:46:38
With the right music, you can change the mood from erotic to sexy to sleazy and use the same graphics. Done right, that could be a powerful part of the game.
or it can seem like an ad for AXE ;)
Those AXE commercials are funny sometimes. Imagine how many disappointed teenage boys out there are dousing themselves with it in the hopes of getting attacked by adoring girls and women? lol
It's often the opposite ::)
Quote from: Madea on Mon 19/11/2007 02:20:16
Those AXE commercials are funny sometimes. Imagine how many disappointed teenage boys out there are dousing themselves with it in the hopes of getting attacked by adoring girls and women? lol
Actually, yes. Turns out that this has lead to a minor but significant increase in sales. My brother works for the competitor and they did a survey on such things...
So you don't want them to be the main reason people download it, don't put a warning. Just put in some nudity and forget about the exclamation marks and the woohoos about something that no-one cares about.
Quote from: WarpZone on Sun 18/11/2007 17:45:21
I say don't tack on nudity, especially not as an easter egg, but do feel free to use nudity in your game if you think it helps you express your ideas.
Well, for the record, I don't put anything in my games that you couldn't show on the Simpsons or a similar venue, and I always tie the egg into the story -- in the case of Barn Runner 2, the cutscene was clearly going in that direction, but it cut away before comedic nudity ensued (unless you unlocked the rest of the scene, of course).
Everyone has a different idea of what constitutes doing it "right," but since I make my games for myself first and foremost, I tailor them my own shamefully juvenile tastes. Quite a few downloads later, and I've only had one complaint regarding it. Even if they came pouring in, I'd still keep hiding all the things I like as eggs in my games because those are just the sort of things I like to find in games.
I should grow up, I know. But there you are.
Your mileage may vary, of course.
And the Axe commercials always get a giggle out of me, I'm also ashamed to admit.
- Ponch
(And, lo res man, I wish I was a quarter as clever as the Monty Python guys were! But rest assured, what I lack in funny, I can make up for in boobs!)
Quote from: Tuomas on Mon 19/11/2007 22:04:59
So you don't want them to be the main reason people download it, don't put a warning. Just put in some nudity and forget about the exclamation marks and the woohoos about something that no-one cares about.
But if you keep the nudity
a secret, uptight people who
weren't expecting nudity will play the game with their kids, get shocked, and get on your arse about it. Maybe even try to sue you! At least, that's the way it goes in the states. You're very lucky if you still live in a country where you can just post whatever you want on the internet without worrying about who might download it.
Well, if you plan on loading the game onto the AGS games database, it has indicators for you to fill in stating whether there is violence, coarse language or nudity/sexual content.
Perhaps instead of going "THIS GAME HAS NUDITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!" put a note that says "Please note - game not suitable for minors. Please do not download if under 18" or something similar.
Well yes.
A "tag" like "M" rating or something, should be fine. After all, all porn sites have this stupid "are you above 18? Then enter!" thing at first, which doesn't stop anybody, but works fine in the legalities I guess...
Anyone remember those really stupid questions at the beginning of Larry 1 and 3, that were apparently meant to "determine" whether you were 18?
I scrounged up an old copy of Larry 1 the other day, myself. I told it my age. Then I was baffled by the fact that all the questions were about celebrities of yester-year. The questions felt more apropriate for someonequite a bit older than me, heavy with nostalgia... then I realized that the game itself was more than 10 years old. XD I guess this is why people keep buying Trivial Pursuit. It seems the sum total of popular knowlege doesn't keep for very long.
It's also unfair to non-US players too...
But but but...
Spoiler
Alt-X
Argh! Bollocks to pretending there is a need for a reson to show nudity and sex in game! If you make a game and it fits with the story, fine. If you make a game for the purpose of engulfing in sexual content that's fine too. Most of the time I actually find it annoying when sexual content is "justified". Why not just make a game that is intended to arouse (or amuse)? It's called pornography (well, maybe not in the amuse case...) and is atually nothing to be ashamed of! I think it would be quite nice with some creative pornography as an alternative to the photographic/filmed/sleezy/sterotypical stuff generally available.
I can't wait for the games that will spring from this discussion! :D
Quote from: mätzyboy on Sat 24/11/2007 10:40:14
(well, maybe not in the amuse case...)
Whyever not? ;)
I really don't know why we are having this conversation. I can only reiterate what other people have said:
* If it's relevant to the game, then go ahead. Ben Jordan 6 had breasts in it. Big deal. No one made a fuss over that, as far as I am aware. Just make sure you set the ratings accordingly when you upload it.
* If you want to make a porn game, then go ahead. Just make sure you set the ratings accordingly when you upload it, and make it very clear in the description that it's a porn game.
* Like lo_res_man said, no one turns a hair if a game is full of gore and death (and many computer games are based on maiming and killing). I'd far rather a game showed the naked human body in a natural context (which, of course, includes sex) than suggested that massacring 1000 people is somehow a good thing to do.
Ditch the "modesty stripes" across the characters. We all know what's underneath them anyway.
Oh really? Oh no, My raging teenage fantasies have been about black bars and pixilated boobage. I thought that was natural! You mean girls boobs aren't REALLY made of blocky squares?! (if you can't tell I'm joking, no "lol" is gonna help that.) Now I think the ultimate in pointless censoring is the stuff on some older Japanese hentai. (Yes, I've looked with lust at hentai, shoot me now) I mean they show gratuitous nudity, the weirdest sex on the planet, and then get in a piffle if a strip like a black shoe lace across the base of the glans isn't there, oh no think of the children!
Censorship in Hentai can seem quite ludicrous, considering the extent of what is actually censored.
Indeed the horizontal black strip at the base of the glans and/or urethra, or vertical black strip along the exposed clitoris, can seem rather pointless to those not familiar with the minutia of japanese censorship.
Back in the early days of Hentai anime's distribution in the US, when the censorship mosaics would be removed for the more liberal western market, it was found that the original artists hadn't bothered to draw the genitals at all, or had simply drawn them as vague shapes, since they figured nobody was ever going to see them anyway.
QuoteAnyone remember those really stupid questions at the beginning of Larry 1 and 3, that were apparently meant to "determine" whether you were 18?
I remember it very well : It worked!
*sob*
Quote from: LUniqueDan on Thu 29/11/2007 02:12:40
I remember it very well : It worked!
*sob*
No it didn't. I was, like, twelve at the time and I simply wrote down all questions and got the answers right by elimination (there was no internet back then, or looking them up would have been a lot easier). After half an hour or so, I had a nearly complete list of correct answers.
Quote from: lo_res_man on Sat 24/11/2007 12:17:51
Oh really? Oh no, My raging teenage fantasies have been about black bars and pixilated boobage. I thought that was natural! You mean girls boobs aren't REALLY made of blocky squares?!
No actually they're made of round soft bags.
I always thought of the Larry system as just another humourous diversion on Al Lowe's part, rather than a serious attempt to block users.
The limited number of questions meant a trial and error approach was fairly effective.
Or the old Ctrl-Alt-X, if you knew about it...which I didn't.
Was there really any difference between the versions of Larry 3, based on how many questions you got right? Besides the first scene with the binoculars? I can't remember what they were called..."Fairly Filthy" was one of them...I think.
Wiki...
Oh. There was subtle differences. :P