So if you could have any game, (preferably adventures though other games would be fine to) and have it remade with modern software, graphics, and other perks, what game would you choose and what changes would you make? A graphical version of "Colossal Caves" with a built in auto map would be nice, (is this game really based on an actual place or is that just urban legend?) And maybe graphic versions of some of the other Infocom text based adventure games.
Hmmm, if I could have any game remade, I would definitely go for Infocom's HHGTTG... I wish somebody will remake this already! ;)
I was thinking that a 2D de-make of Discworld Noir would be great, particularly if it ripped the voice-work of Rob Brydon et al.
The original is so buggy that just getting it to run is the toughest puzzle in the game, and that was the case even on windows 95. A stable version was never really released, and the only available patch is basically a crack for the broken copy-protection software.
This is a real pity because it's the game that best captures the Discworld novels and features some genuinely great detective puzzles. Dave Gilbert is keeping that style of puzzles alive, but they're still a rarity.
Or if you want an Infocom game, my suggestions would be Brian Moriarty's Trinity or Douglas Adams's Bureaucracy.
I'd like to see "Gold Rush" by Sierra remake with better graphics.
Edit: I like the drawing style very much, but it needs more colors.
(http://www.abandonware-paradise.fr/Gifs/Abandonware/Gold_rush.png)
Quote from: Ali on Tue 16/03/2010 11:48:16
I was thinking that a 2D de-make of Discworld Noir would be great, particularly if it ripped the voice-work of Rob Brydon et al.
The original is so buggy that just getting it to run is the toughest puzzle in the game, and that was the case even on windows 95. A stable version was never really released, and the only available patch is basically a crack for the broken copy-protection software.
I don't know about Win95, but I never did experience any problems on Win98.
On XP it was indeed very complicated to get it to run.
I'd like to see remakes of Indiana Jones and the Fountain of Youth, Resonance, and By the Sword. But don't see those coming any time soon.. :-\
Leave Gold Rush! the hell alone, it's so pretty.
Quote from: Privateer Puddin' on Tue 16/03/2010 12:26:32
Leave Gold Rush! the hell alone, it's so pretty.
Then "Leave the remakes! The old ones are so pretty!".
No, I just think adding more colours to Gold Rush! isn't going to help anything, at that point Sierra had mastered their AGI art style and if someone's going to remake Gold Rush! (or pretty much any Sierra AGI / SCI game), I need a better reason than 16 colours not being enough.
There are plenty of games that could do with merely re-done graphics, so it's definitely not "The old ones are so pretty!", look at a lot of things from the 90s, stuff with colour reduced pre-rendered 3d, much more in need of a remake than Gold Rush!, arguably the best looking AGI game.
Quote from: Privateer Puddin' on Tue 16/03/2010 13:12:52
No, I just think adding more colours to Gold Rush! isn't going to help anything, at that point Sierra had mastered their AGI art style and if someone's going to remake Gold Rush! (or pretty much any Sierra AGI / SCI game), I need a better reason than 16 colours not being enough.
There are plenty of games that could do with merely re-done graphics, so it's definitely not "The old ones are so pretty!", look at a lot of things from the 90s, stuff with colour reduced pre-rendered 3d, much more in need of a remake than Gold Rush!, arguably the best looking AGI game.
If we are talking about remakes, we should increase the resolution. If we increase the resolution, we should increase and the colors. I also think that the game is the best looking AGI game, thats why I think it deserves to be remade.
I think the ascii-adventure Castle Adventure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Adventure) deserves a remake.
It was on my family's first PC back in 86-87 and me and my father played it with much excitement. As a boy I dreamed of playing it with proper graphics.
Broken Sword 3. I'd like to see it in 2D, with proper adventure game puzzles and less ridiculous plot.
Simon The Sorcerer 3D. Someone just update those awful graphics, kill the terrible bugs, and make long-distance traveling easier.
Blade Runner. It would be so great if only they did a version with less compressed vids, upped the game resolution, and fixed those awfully pixelated 3D objects and characters.
Realms of The Hunting. With proper 3D engine and bigger budget, modern tech FMVs.
Gabriel Knight 3. Better 3D engine, make Madeline look hot instead of ill, re-add the scenes that were cut due to the engine's limitations, cover the plot holes, and then make GK4.
I would also like to see Simon the Sorcerer 3 remade properly, even if it's in 3D. So long as it doesn't look horribly low poly and loses the horrid bland wide open spaces and controls (replacing them with Simon 1's gorgeous visuals.) I wonder how many assets you'd have to do to get the thing right... maybe a recently released 3D adventure engine could help.
And Normality/Realms of the Haunting, too. Not change anything significant, even an engine remake would be awesome. Just clean them up a bit and maybe make Normality's animations actually animate properly instead of like floaty shapes.
Quote from: Privateer Puddin' on Tue 16/03/2010 13:12:52
No, I just think adding more colours to Gold Rush! isn't going to help anything, at that point Sierra had mastered their AGI art style and if someone's going to remake Gold Rush! (or pretty much any Sierra AGI / SCI game), I need a better reason than 16 colours not being enough.
There are plenty of games that could do with merely re-done graphics, so it's definitely not "The old ones are so pretty!", look at a lot of things from the 90s, stuff with colour reduced pre-rendered 3d, much more in need of a remake than Gold Rush!, arguably the best looking AGI game.
How about an SCI remake of the AGI gold rush then? Still 16 colours ;)
(After all, that's what Sierra did as well)
Depends on which version of SCI, it could be 256 colour ;)
But seriously, if your focus for remaking Gold Rush! is to change graphics, then I don't really need it. There are many more things in Gold Rush! that could be improved.
Quote from: Ascovel on Tue 16/03/2010 12:04:48
Quote from: Ali on Tue 16/03/2010 11:48:16
The original is so buggy that just getting it to run is the toughest puzzle in the game, and that was the case even on windows 95.
I don't know about Win95, but I never did experience any problems on Win98.
On XP it was indeed very complicated to get it to run.
Noir's XP problem occurred with early editions of Windows 95, which I had. It also crashed the first time it played most cutscenes, as it did when I replayed it last year on XP. Still a great game though.
I would also second a remake / de-make of Gabriel Knight 3, a terrific game in spite of its technical shortcomings.
Quote from: mkennedy on Tue 16/03/2010 04:31:02
A graphical version of "Colossal Caves" with a built in auto map would be nice, (is this game really based on an actual place or is that just urban legend?)
It's real. At least, according to Wikipedia :P
I don't think most infocommies would work as a graphical adventure, really. They do some quite ingenious things with text that would be very hard to capture graphically.
I second Gold Rush; it's an oft-overlooked classic. Another that I'd like to see remade is Future Wars.
And hey, I even know Castle Adventure! I used to play that and want to add extra features and stuff, that's one of the things that got me into game design. Looks like it already has a remake (http://web.archive.org/web/20080412042855/members.lycos.co.uk/dlharmon/games/index.php?gid=11), although it's missing now.
I'd like to see those early Tex Murphy games remade. I can't remember the names, but they were free for download recently. I tried to play one and you have to fly some kind of car thing around and it was impossible for me, the graphics (earlier than early 3D) were horrific. The concept seemed awesome, flying to places which needed attention. At least, I assume so, I went a bit too far in one direction and then couldn't navigate anywhere, so I gave up and never really played the game.
Quote from: Ali on Tue 16/03/2010 11:48:16I was thinking that a 2D de-make of Discworld Noir would be great, particularly if it ripped the voice-work of Rob Brydon et al.
Came to post this. Usually I think remakes are unnecessary, but a bugfree version with improved 3D graphics and animation of Discworld Noir would be wonderful.
I would also like an updated and more polished version of Theme Hospital.
I'd quite like a port of Future Wars, just because I can't get it to play well even under DosBox (where the animation flickers horribly).
QuoteI would also like an updated and more polished version of Theme Hospital.
"EPIDEMIC ALERT!"There are a couple of Theme Hospital projects floating around, trying to recreate the game like people did for the good old Microprose sim games, one of them is open source I think.
What I'd want is an addon remake for TH, I was somewhat deceived that after level 5 or 6, only diseases were added to the game and no new rules (inspectors, emergencies, training, research, epidemics...). I'd only be interested in a Theme Hospital remake if they fixed that problem in the latter levels.
Although not an adventure game, (I would rather have sequels than remakes), I would have to say Sword of the Samurai (http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/sword-of-the-samurai).
Quote from: Mods on Tue 16/03/2010 15:44:01
I'd like to see those early Tex Murphy games remade. I can't remember the names, but they were free for download recently. I tried to play one and you have to fly some kind of car thing around and it was impossible for me, the graphics (earlier than early 3D) were horrific. The concept seemed awesome, flying to places which needed attention. At least, I assume so, I went a bit too far in one direction and then couldn't navigate anywhere, so I gave up and never really played the game.
Hey Mods, the game you mention is the original Tex game Mean Streets and it has been already remade by its creators under the name Tex Murphy: Overseer (http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/tex_murphy_overseer). However, the 3D flying sequences have been removed completely. Also, while fun to play and good looking it is also one of the buggiest games I ever played to the end :( (at least the DVD version).
Quote from: Mr Flibble on Tue 16/03/2010 16:35:30
I'd quite like a port of Future Wars, just because I can't get it to play well even under DosBox (where the animation flickers horribly).
You could try the Amiga version. It works perfectly on WinUAE.
EDIT: Doh! I had completely missed Ascovel's post. But yeah the flying was terrible, and pointless since you were always given the coordinates to new locations that you could enter into the autopilot.
I'm not a big friend of remakes for games. Bring on something original, I say.
Most of the time some appeal gets lost anyway when games are transferred for modern audience. The Tomb Raider Anniversary remake was nice for example, but forgettable compared to the much superior original, even if it that one is technically completely outdated by now.
I would look forward to a fateful remake of the original System Shock however. I never had a chance to play that one, and the very early 3D graphics are just too much of a strain on the eyes nowadays.
EDIT: Oh yeah, and I agree with Ascovel on Simon the Sorcerer 3D. That one should get a 2D remake. I think there even was an AGS project? I loved the first two parts but never got into the third one because of its ugly empty 3D world. A pity, especially since Simon 2 ended with such a big cliffhanger.
All I can think of is a first person Zombies Ate My Neighbours in the Unreal engine.
I'm a terrible person.
Hooray for Goldrush! I always loved those graphics.
As for remakes in general, I'm not so sure. Would I like to see remakes of all my favourite games from days gone by? Not really. I suppose I'd like a way of playing them again (such as ScummVM, DosBox, etc), or some way to buy new working versions of them. I agree with what Ascovel said about Blade Runner; the same game, just technically updated to take advantage of modern resolutions and such. I'd also like to see Future Wars getting a overhual, ala Another World HD.
I'm surprised nobody suggested a demake for Escape from Monkey Island.
QuoteI would look forward to a fateful remake of the original System Shock however. I never had a chance to play that one, and the very early 3D graphics are just too much of a strain on the eyes nowadays.
It was already remade. System Shock Portable (http://www.reloaded.org/download/System-Shock-Portable/369/), it's no HL: Black Mesa, the colors still look pretty funky but the game can run in 1024x768 resolution so it's much less blocky and cramped than the original DOS version.
Personally I'd rather see older, great but user unfriendly games remade, like Dualnames is doing with H2G2. That being said, I got myself in one heck of a Sierra mood these days, with the KQ9 discussions and the soon to be released SQ2 remake. After I found the SQ6 demo hidden in a folder, played SQ5, SQ6, SQ1VGA and watched the various trailers for the SQ2 remake, I would be lying if I said I didn't want SQ3 to receive the same treatment one day.
Non adventure remake would be UFO Enemy Unknown/X-COM UFO Defence. Transport Tycoon, Civilization, Colonization... all the cool Microprose sim games got remade, all except X-COM. Keeping the dark and gritty atmosphere and artstyle of the first two games but revamping the battlescape completly. No more bugs, no more limitations on the number of items you bring on missions, 3D explosions, better handling of environment damage (no more floating lamp posts), having more fighting options for the player and aliens (think Jagged Alliance 2), ramp up the AIs, new weapons, new aliens (bring in the Aliens, Predators and Cloverfield monsters)... If someone did that, it would by my new drug.
Quote from: Ascovel on Tue 16/03/2010 18:19:41
Quote from: Mr Flibble on Tue 16/03/2010 16:35:30
I'd quite like a port of Future Wars, just because I can't get it to play well even under DosBox (where the animation flickers horribly).
You could try the Amiga version. It works perfectly on WinUAE.
Ooh, I never thought of that! I'll give it a try, thank you!
Quote from: Mr Flibble on Wed 17/03/2010 00:01:38
Ooh, I never thought of that! I'll give it a try, thank you!
Or the Atari ST version, which I recently played on PSP. It ran surprisingly well.
I would also like a remake of Simon the Sorcerer 3D but without the arcade stuff.
So how does the Tex Murphy game Overseer compare to the original ? I found the gun battles that had an endless supply of bad guys a real turn off as I quickly ran low on bullets and the bad guys didn't seam to drop any when you killed them as far as I can tell. Was it possible to visit any of the landmarks listed on the map that came with the game or were they just red herrings?
Quote from: Radiant on Tue 16/03/2010 15:28:38
And hey, I even know Castle Adventure! I used to play that and want to add extra features and stuff, that's one of the things that got me into game design. Looks like it already has a remake (http://web.archive.org/web/20080412042855/members.lycos.co.uk/dlharmon/games/index.php?gid=11), although it's missing now.
Maybe this one? (http://retroremakes.com/forum/index.php/topic,451.0.html)
It's not a remake but I would love to see a clash up between Left 4 Dead and the Total War (Shogun, Rome, etc...) series...
Imagine the anally detailed and accurate warfare system of Total War allowing you to mashup hordes of various zombie archetypes, ultimately battling for control over Earth. I always preferred the hyper-simulation style RTS to the arcadey feeling Warhammer/Warcraft/Starcraft games...
I would love to see remakes of the old Hobbit & Lord Of The Rings text adventure games, with updated graphics. ;D
Also, although not an adventure game, it would be great to see a PC remake of the original Rocky Horror Picture Show - the 2D the Spectrum version, not that awful 3D pc attempt. :)
Nice idea, Questionable. To aid you in bringing this thread off topic, I think the BioShock universe would be an excellent setting for a business simulator. I imagine something like 'Plasmid Tycoon' where you play an up-and-coming entrepreneur stretching ethics and profit margins to their limits within the capitalism-gone-mad system of pre-collapse Rapture. And of course the game should be unwinnable, similar to Oiligarchy (http://www.molleindustria.org/en/oiligarchy).
Someone brought up Sierra; man, how could I forget.
I started playing Quest For Glory recently and got really into it and loved it for several days... until I hit a walking dead. Geeeaahhhh...
I stole some potions from The Healer and was left with no way to redeem myself and no way of finishing; for me that just seems completely against the idea of what an RPG is about... I'd put effort into levelling up my character; get rid of that shit... just a few lines of code that makes her give you opportunity to return the potions after a few days or something. SHEESH SIERRA!
So yeah, I nominate every Sierra game; just so they can remove the walking deads and the games can actually become... you know... fun.
Quote from: Ascovel on Tue 16/03/2010 13:54:50
Gabriel Knight 3. Better 3D engine, make Madeline look hot instead of ill, re-add the scenes that were cut due to the engine's limitations, cover the plot holes, and then make GK4.
I think you've just won the thread! ;D
Quote from: Ascovel on Tue 16/03/2010 13:54:50
Gabriel Knight 3. Better 3D engine, make Madeline look hot instead of ill, re-add the scenes that were cut due to the engine's limitations, cover the plot holes, and then make GK4.
If I recall correctly, that included a motorbike chase - I'm thinking Full Throttle with vampires! Wasn't there also some changes made to the end-game sequence? In any case - that whole underground temple section needs a re-design.
Still, I do love GK3 despite it's artistic flaws and still find it highly playable. Sneaking around hotel rooms, decoding Le Serpent Rouge, exploring the castle attic, man that game is shock full of classic moments.
Hm, now that I thought about it, I would like if they ever upgraded King of Chicago. That was a rather fun game back in the day (and still is) and it could only be improved with more features.
Quote from: Eggie on Wed 17/03/2010 10:44:27
So yeah, I nominate every Sierra game; just so they can remove the walking deads and the games can actually become... you know... fun.
I've never understand why the walking deaths, dead ends all Sierra's things are so annoying for the players... For me they make the game more challenging and more interesting.
Quote from: mkennedy on Wed 17/03/2010 09:48:11
So how does the Tex Murphy game Overseer compare to the original ? I found the gun battles that had an endless supply of bad guys a real turn off as I quickly ran low on bullets and the bad guys didn't seam to drop any when you killed them as far as I can tell. Was it possible to visit any of the landmarks listed on the map that came with the game or were they just red herrings?
I only did have a quick look at the original, so I can't tell you much besides the main plot being the same. Overseer seems to have a lot of extra scenes (mainly cut-scenes) as there's a lot of focus on Tex's personality and relationships, while the original two Tex games were very raw.
Overseer also doesn't have any arcade sequences, but you can die a lot, especially during timed sequences + there's some sneaking required. What else? The locations are 3D, cutscenes are FMVs... basically, if you played Under A Killing Moon it is pretty much exactly like it.
Quote from: GarageGothic on Wed 17/03/2010 12:21:52
Quote from: Ascovel on Tue 16/03/2010 13:54:50
Gabriel Knight 3. Better 3D engine, make Madeline look hot instead of ill, re-add the scenes that were cut due to the engine's limitations, cover the plot holes, and then make GK4.
If I recall correctly, that included a motorbike chase - I'm thinking Full Throttle with vampires! Wasn't there also some changes made to the end-game sequence? In any case - that whole underground temple section needs a re-design.
I remember there was a huge section of the temple that was cut out late in the production because it was either too buggy, or it made the game run too slow. And yeah, the motorbike chase is the most fun sounding bit. Jane Jensen also said you originally could control Grace while she is climbing the Chateau's walls.
Quote from: Harg on Wed 17/03/2010 13:26:36I've never understand why the walking deaths, dead ends all Sierra's things are so annoying for the players... For me they make the game more challenging and more interesting.
Or more frustrating and time wasting. Puzzles can be challenging and time consuming on their own without having to memorise every things of interest in now unreachable areas, wasting days trying to solve unsolvable puzzles, saving after every puzzles just in case you did something wrong and replaying the game countless times.
Even Sierra got a clue and removed those in its later games. You want to know why I never got into Tex Murphy games, search no further.
Quote from: Harg on Wed 17/03/2010 13:26:36
I've never understand why the walking deaths, dead ends all Sierra's things are so annoying for the players... For me they make the game more challenging and more interesting.
Well, they're not as annoying as message boards make them out to be, but when combined with slow gameplay and/or unskippable cutscenes they do make a game rather tedious.
Come to think of it, somebody should remake KQ5 to get rid of all the stupid dead ends and make the cutscenes skippable.
Quote from: GarageGothic on Wed 17/03/2010 10:36:03
Nice idea, Questionable. To aid you in bringing this thread off topic, I think the BioShock universe would be an excellent setting for a business simulator. I imagine something like 'Plasmid Tycoon' where you play an up-and-coming entrepreneur stretching ethics and profit margins to their limits within the capitalism-gone-mad system of pre-collapse Rapture. And of course the game should be unwinnable, similar to Oiligarchy (http://www.molleindustria.org/en/oiligarchy).
Do I smell a prequel?
Quote from: Radiant on Wed 17/03/2010 21:24:27
Quote from: Harg on Wed 17/03/2010 13:26:36
I've never understand why the walking deaths, dead ends all Sierra's things are so annoying for the players... For me they make the game more challenging and more interesting.
Well, they're not as annoying as message boards make them out to be, but when combined with slow gameplay and/or unskippable cutscenes they do make a game rather tedious.
It was the RPG elements that made it completely intolerable for me. When I spend time boosting a characters stats in the directions I want they become a unique incarnation of themselves in my head and it's just too damn emotionally distressing to scrap them and start the game anew; redoing all the tree climbing and knife throwing and other neat little things you can do it that game to develop your character.
And why does the quest have to become unwinnable just because you burn one bridge? That's not how life works, a resourceful person would find another way; not stand around paralysed until the end of time. And, at the very least, I expect my adventure protagonists to be resourceful.
Quote from: Questionable on Wed 17/03/2010 21:30:06
Quote from: GarageGothic on Wed 17/03/2010 10:36:03
Nice idea, Questionable. To aid you in bringing this thread off topic, I think the BioShock universe would be an excellent setting for a business simulator. I imagine something like 'Plasmid Tycoon' where you play an up-and-coming entrepreneur stretching ethics and profit margins to their limits within the capitalism-gone-mad system of pre-collapse Rapture. And of course the game should be unwinnable, similar to Oiligarchy (http://www.molleindustria.org/en/oiligarchy).
Do I smell a prequel?
Aw man, I had this exact thought a few days ago. But I just completed the first Bioshock last weekend so my mind was pretty much submerged (a do ho ho) in Rapture mythos and there pretty much wasn't any genre of anything I didn't want there to be something Bioshock related of at that moment.
Quote from: Eggie on Wed 17/03/2010 21:43:03
It was the RPG elements that made it completely intolerable for me. When I spend time boosting a characters stats in the directions I want they become a unique incarnation of themselves in my head and it's just too damn emotionally distressing to scrap them and start the game anew; redoing all the tree climbing and knife throwing and other neat little things you can do it that game to develop your character.
While I don't necessarily agree on dead ends in general, I do agree that
this particular dead end is just stupid.
Come to think of it, many Sierra dead ends are. This is a standard that has evolved: back in the high days of Sierra, it was (evidently) acceptable for a game to have dozens of dead ends, whereas now it is not any more.
I don't like RPG elements in adventures. But don't mind if there is a dead end in game. The challenge in "dead end" is to understand that its a dead end, to understand what you did wrong. And when you understand it, there is a solution for it called F7 - restore game.
Just saying; it would be a lot better if there was an actual solution for it ingame. It just doesn't make sense to me these guys walk around solving the obscure problems in their way for a living but they can't deal with the ones they create themselves.
Plus, it's tedious to go through the game again, especially if you become a walking dead early on and then the game lets you progress, blissfully unaware, to a certain point anyway... it feels like a punishment; the game is punishing me for... playing it... for doing stuff the designers PUT THERE for me to do... it's like I've been thrown out of the garden of Eden without even being told not to eat the apple in the first place. Argh, I can't deal with that. I'm just not that much of a masochist...
Anyway so... um... remakes: Um... Bubble Bobble, right, but with SALAMANDERS!
Quote from: Eggie on Thu 18/03/2010 09:01:08
it feels like a punishment; the game is punishing me for... playing it... for doing stuff the designers PUT THERE for me to do... it's like I've been thrown out of the garden of Eden without even being told not to eat the apple in the first place. Argh, I can't deal with that. I'm just not that much of a masochist...
The game is punishing you because you did something wrong. Sometimes the games are not just for fun! I believe people are creating games not just to entertain the gamers, but also to teach you something. Especially the younger players. The example with the apple is not accurate. What if you decide to burn the only bridge above the river. It will cause dead end, and will teach some young minds that it's not right.
Not an adventure, but Crusader: No Remorse / Regret. That or an entirely new one.
QuoteThe example with the apple is not accurate. What if you decide to burn the only bridge above the river. It will cause dead end, and will teach some young minds that it's not right.
No. Eating the apple is fairly accurate. If dead ends only punished players for doing stupid things, yeah, it would be unnacurate. But the thing is, dead ends punish players for any reason the developers see fit. You ate the pie instead of the meat? Dead end! You missed a rubber band lying on the sea bed of sharks infested waters? Dead end! You sold your car for 25 bucks instead of 25 bucks and a jetpack? Dead end! You forgot to save a mouse that appears on your screen for 2 little seconds? Dead end! You took the scuba suit that was in the left locker instead of the one in the right locker? Dead end! You didn't spy a conversation you didn't know existed because it only happens in a very specific room on a very specific time?
The list goes on. TVtropes got an article (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnwinnableByDesign) for dead ends, and Sierra has its own special section. Imagine if a button at the start of Myst made the game unwinnable at the end of the game, that would be ludicrous, yet, that's pretty much what Sierra did in Lighthouse.
I think dead ends survived this long in Sierra games not because developers wanted to teach you anything, but because without them, people would have complained Sierra games were too short.
Actually, I think a big part of the reason dead ends were in there was to sell hint books or get people to call the Sierra Hint Line.
Poor implementation of dead ends is not a reason to never explore the subject again, right?
However, to be stuck in a walking dead and not know it, is not good design as far as I am concerned. An unwinnable situation in just about every game is considered failure. You lost the game. To design the game so that the player has lost but not to tell them so is generally poor design.
Generally when placed in an unwinnable situation a game is designed to understand this and it offers you a restart icon or alerts you that while you can still move around you will not progress. Or the gameplay makes it obvious that you are stuck and a restart button is ever present.
Quote from: MrColossal on Thu 18/03/2010 21:15:34
Poor implementation of dead ends is not a reason to never explore the subject again, right?
However, to be stuck in a walking dead and not know it, is not good design as far as I am concerned. An unwinnable situation in just about every game is considered failure. You lost the game. To design the game so that the player has lost but not to tell them so is generally poor design.
Generally when placed in an unwinnable situation a game is designed to understand this and it offers you a restart icon or alerts you that while you can still move around you will not progress. Or the gameplay makes it obvious that you are stuck and a restart button is ever present.
To be stuck in an unwinnable situation and apparently not be aware of it, is a headache I've been having lately.
I've come to terms to hint it terribly and just offer a mode without dead-ends. Deaths are okay on a game. Adventure game at least. I think they just force the usual technique players are using.
Trial and ErrorI'm indeed mostly against dead-ends, but I think deaths are fine. Space Quest had a lot of deaths. Seriously. Way a lot of deaths. But the games are of the best I've ever played.
Just a thought.
MrColossal: That's how it is in puzzle games, but it's rarely like that in adventure games. I wouldn't mind them if they were well implemented, like say, if dead ends arrived in the same area you screwed up, not 10 hours of gameplay, 5 Myst puzzles, 2 minigames or a maze later, and if the game killed you when it became obvious you screwed up and the death message not only gave you a hint but also had a button that brought you back in the area where you screwed up so you don't have to worry about saving on different slots.
I think Quest for Yrolg featured some, but the game was so short that it wasn't an issue.
Dualnames: The animations and sarcastic death messages are part of what made Space Quest games so great. It's just too bad they didn't think of a Try Again button until the last game.
Quote from: blueskirtI'm surprised nobody suggested a demake for Escape from Monkey Island.
Actually, that would be brilliant. In potentia. The game had good graphics and some good puzzles (first half mostly) but went wwaaaaay of the rails in terms of having a coherent story, feeling like Monkey Island, and just general quality towards the end.
QuoteSimon The Sorcerer 3D. Someone just update those awful graphics, kill the terrible bugs, and make long-distance traveling easier.
Yes. Somebody was working on a 2D remake, looked like it went nowhere. I maintain Simon 3D is a very good game trapped in the buggiest thrown-together-at-the-last-minute engine ever. I'd really, really like to see some of the 2D stuff AdventureSoft made for it (apparently half the game was made in cartoon graphics)
I also second the idea of a 2D Discworld Noir, or at least a more stable version. Moreso than Simon 3D Noir was an absolute classic not many people got to enjoy. I'd also like fan Discworld projects because there has not been enough Discworld on PC for such a popular franchise.
When I was playing SQ4, with the various running-from-Sequel-Police puzzles I was thinking that if it was made again in the Half Life 2 engine or something similar it could be awesome - just like the first level of HL2 where you're running around on rooftops to escape the soldiers.
This may sound crazy, but going very recent - Knights of the Old Republic 2. Not only does Mass Effect make it look kind of shallow, but the fact that the game is missing HALF THE BLOODY ENDING! What's that? We need to stop the Mass Shadow Generator? Can you please explain to me what this is and why nobody brought up over the last two weeks? No? Okay then. I've saved the world? HOW DID I DO THAT???
And, you know, they could put the bucketloads of content that had to be axed back into the game, which apparently included an HK factory (!!!)
Jared: There's this team of people who are putting together the rest half of the game, as it was actually built but just not put inside the game.
Quote from: mkennedy on Tue 16/03/2010 04:31:02
So if you could have any game, (preferably adventures though other games would be fine to) and have it remade with modern software, graphics, and other perks, what game would you choose and what changes would you make? A graphical version of "Colossal Caves" with a built in auto map would be nice, (is this game really based on an actual place or is that just urban legend?) And maybe graphic versions of some of the other Infocom text based adventure games.
I'd like to see a remake of INN (Imagination Network), It was one, if not the first Graphical Online Game, all it needs is the same graphics enchanced, the music remade to sound better and to expand on what it was to what it could be...
QuoteJared: There's this team of people who are putting together the rest half of the game, as it was actually built but just not put inside the game.
I know about the project but
a) It's 50/50 over whether or not it's dead
b) They won't do as good a job as Bioware would have.
Also, as I said, now I've played Mass Effect I want KotoR in the Mass Effect engine. True cinematic gameplay.
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An old puzzle game called Plotting (http://www.mobygames.com/game/plotting) :)
I'm more into Demakes than Remakes myself...
When I'm done with my Indy project I'd love to demake QFGV or Blade Runner.
pub master quest! :] i wish i could up date the art style & fix all the bug in the game...i would need some serious help with that game humph* ('.')
Lure Of The Temptress by Revolution ;D
But is there any game that you don't want to see remade? For me, it would have to be the first two Broken Sword games. There's a timeless quality to those games and it would be destroyed if they were to implement HD visuals or any kind of polygonal models in there. There's a certain charm to the hand drawn sprites and visuals that, in all honesty, can't be replicated in 3D or in that kind of photoshop way like in the recent Monkey Island special edition.
Police quest 1-3! Especially 2.
SCI versions felt even worse than first game.
Dunno why, never liked SCI.
16 colors on AGI felt retro, on higher SCI resolution just ugly. When 256 colors came, games got pretty, but then control started showing its age...
Also, PQIII was badly done. It wasn't the graphics, but simply horrible gameplay.
Blue Force, similar game also by Jim Walls had pretty much same graphics, but ended up times more enjoyable, because I didn't have to wrestle game (rules) itself so much and could concentrate on story. Nor trip endless screens of nothing useful.
Recently bought "Star Trek, Final Unity", but the game runs sssooo sssllllooowww that I think it definitely needs to be remade for newer systems.
All AGS games in hi res 3D with complex physics and collision detection where not needed, as well as the possibility to kill every single character and throw the corpses around rag doll style!
Especially the Oceanspirit Dennis games desperately need such treatment!
I'd like to see a remake of, well, my recent number one game Unfolding Spider, and for one reason only- the graphics. Not to offend the author, I don't think the graphics are most important part of an adventure game but in this case, when the game is an almost dreamlike journey through memories and a world of imagination, this would actually be a great opportunity to show some beautiful strange art.
I even started myself- did one background so far... maybe I'll finish it someday, if Discordance won't mind?
I had the same feeling. I think the art is stylish and all, but i believe this game would be complete with fantastic art to accompany it.
I'd love to see a remake of The Longest Journey. It deserves much better graphics.
I would be really interested to see a LucasArts-style remake of one of those old 1980s text adventures like Boggit, Bored of the rings, Color of Magic, Quest for the Golden Eggcup, Robin of Sherlock, the Big Sleaze, Hareraiser, Quest for the Holy Joystick, etc. Or maybe a remake of some modern IF like Blue Chairs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Chairs).
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(http://www.lysator.liu.se/adventure/images/Delta_4_Software/colourmagic.jpg)
I'd also really love to see Bubsy the Bobcat: Rip van Bubsy (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/Newsite/Games.aspx/Detail/1205/Bubsy_The_Bobcat_In_Rip_Van_Bubsy_Starring_Bubsy) remade in the style of those 90s LucasArts-ish adventures like Orion Burger, Igor: Objective Uikokahonia or UFOs. In fact, I love Thecatamites' unique style, but I feel that such a brilliant deconstruction of classic adventure devices deserves to look and feel like a classic adventure.
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But better than the Secret of Monkey Island "special editions".
Also, Tim Allen should voice Zak.
I think a remake of Revolution's Lure of the Temptress could be really interesting too.
Also, not an adventure game but Taipan (Speccy version y Ocean) would be really cool too.
Dungeon Master and Eye of the Beholder maybe.
Oh, and a fairly obscure C16 game called Millionaire.
Quote from: CaptainD on Tue 01/11/2011 12:17:29
Dungeon Master and Eye of the Beholder maybe.
the "Eye of the Beholder" series would be cool for a remake, would the game be first person like Morrowind and "Neverwinter Nights" or would it be like "Baldur's Gate" and "Icewind Dale"?
Also agree that I would love to see Boggit or "Bored of the Rings" remade. That may be something that a fan can do, but not sure which engine would be best for the remake. While I'm familiar with "World Builder" it's only in black and white graphics which would be a step down from EGA, Adrift 5 has graphical support and the newer version 5 is free to download so that might work. Not sure what support for graphics other IF authoring systems have to offer.
Quote from: mkennedy on Tue 01/11/2011 14:36:23
Quote from: CaptainD on Tue 01/11/2011 12:17:29
Dungeon Master and Eye of the Beholder maybe.
the "Eye of the Beholder" series would be cool for a remake, would the game be first person like Morrowind and "Neverwinter Nights" or would it be like "Baldur's Gate" and "Icewind Dale"?
I was definitely thinking first-person RPG. I find them much more immersive.