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Title: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: MadReizka on Sat 29/03/2003 13:04:07
What do you think of the game? Got it working with ScummVM. Really fine game. Played at my friends when I was a kid and have tried to find it ever since.

Well now I got it. And it still rules! The graphics are sooo sweet and the whole game is funny.

General discussion about the STS1 and STS2. And if you have tested the STS3D please, leave comments about it too.
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: ThunderStorm on Sat 29/03/2003 13:11:24
Yeah, I loved the Simon games too. In fact, they have left a noticeable impression in my profile.  :)
I loved the nice animations throughout the games, perhaps they made me go on playing even more than the storyline.
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: rorschach on Sat 29/03/2003 14:08:46
Simon 1&2 are sweet.

Simon3D is a big pile of crap!
Boring puzzels, the graphics is just bad, millions of bugs... etc. etc.
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Captain Mostly on Sat 29/03/2003 15:45:56
I loved the first one. But I've never found the second one in even the most comprehensive second hand game shops... bah!
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: MadReizka on Sat 29/03/2003 15:49:35
Try some abandonware sites  ::)

Send me a PM and I can give you some links ;D ;D

But let's not post anymore warez stuff to this thread. Back to topic. Simon it is!
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: LGM on Sat 29/03/2003 15:54:06
http://www.ebay.com
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Pumaman on Sat 29/03/2003 16:38:24
Simon annoyed me because he walked so damn slowly all the time, I got fed up and quit after not very long. I'm sure it was a good game though ;)
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: MadReizka on Sat 29/03/2003 16:40:58
Have you played STS1? It walked even slower in that than STS2.
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Las Naranjas on Sat 29/03/2003 21:22:33
I got the CD version, and he magically started walking faster.

And i really enjoyed it, even if you could term it an MI clone.

2 was fun, but didn't have the charm.

And I uninstalled 3d after the first puzzle.
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Adamski on Sat 29/03/2003 21:30:01
Both Simon 1 and 2 had that special 'X' factor that gets me hooked on said game and renders me unable to put them down. All Lucasarts games had this 'X' factor, as did the Discworld games (although the 2nd was a little iffy)... so that can only be a good thing...
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Las Naranjas on Sat 29/03/2003 21:33:28
And then Adventuresoft made the Feeble Files which is painful.

Man, the hush puppies puzzle is made to look mundane compared to some of that rubbish.
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Trapezoid on Sat 29/03/2003 22:20:55
Simon 1 and 2 were pretty cool. Very nice graphics. The animations were a bit akward though. And the puzzles were sort of iffy sometimes. But them Simons is classics!!
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: MadReizka on Mon 31/03/2003 10:08:50
Yup, classic.
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Igor on Mon 31/03/2003 21:34:06
Quote from: Dark Stalkey on Sat 29/03/2003 21:30:01
All Lucasarts games had this 'X' factor, as did the Discworld games (although the 2nd was a little iffy)
Really? I liked the second one best. First one was good too, but puzzles were so obnoxious that i had to use walkthrough all the time.
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: jannar85 on Tue 01/04/2003 10:47:12
Quote from: CJ on Sat 29/03/2003 16:38:24
Simon annoyed me because he walked so damn slowly all the time, I got fed up and quit after not very long. I'm sure it was a good game though ;)

Get teh CD version ;)
He walks as fast as Guybrush in the CD version :D
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Scavenger on Tue 01/04/2003 17:45:53
No, no, I have never liked StS... *hides Simon costume and numerous memorabilia* Okay, I so lie alot. STS rocked! In the dark and distant past, when I was 6, it was all I played ;) and I completed the first one, too, even though most of the jokes went over my head. StS2 was weird, though. It was harder, for one. And Simon didn't look quite right. He certainy got more unlikable, but still not as bad as Simon3D.

Simon 3D, was in my opinion, the WORST adventure game I've ever seen! I mean, I could create better 3D graphics, and I've over ever made one thing! It looks like they ripped Grim Fandango and made it worse. And this costume is AWFUL. It doesn't even look like a cloak.

In closing, I'd like to say something.

Point and Click = Dead.
AGS = Not Dead.
Simon3D = Dead unless....
Headfirst*, AGS. AGS, Headfirst. Happy?

*The creator of the simon games, I think :)
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: AGA on Tue 01/04/2003 18:26:56
If and when Simon3D comes on budget release, buy it. The graphics are awful, but the same old Simon humour and puzzles are still there...
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: deltamatrix on Tue 01/04/2003 19:08:17
SImon3D spelled trouble. It was disappointed after a long wait and I ended up having to get a walkthorugh because I wasn't sure whether my being stuck was a bug or just me. IT WAS A BUG!

Simon1 was the first talkie adventure I ever played so no longer I got hooked. I played the demo with my family and we loved the woodworms bit.

Simon2 was very good because of the sarcasm and homour. Simon1 had less humour and it didn't seem to suit Chris Barrie in this case despite that it does in Red Dwarf.

Simon3D was destroyed before it was released.

Don't diss Feeble Files! I enjoyed that. :) And Discworld 2 was a very good game with the homour and good Eric Idle voice acting :)
Discworld 1 failed me for some reason.

Shame most of these games won't work on XP.
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: MadReizka on Tue 01/04/2003 19:10:50
Both, DW1 and DW2 has eric idle as rincewind.
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Trumgottist on Wed 02/04/2003 01:02:42
I thought each Simon game got a little better than the previous one. Who knows, if they continue like this they might eventually be able to measure up to Discworld 1.  ::) (Which is one of my favourites. I was pretty let down by DW2, but the developers managed IMO to make another good game with DW: Noir.) I think that what you think about these games much depends on your kind of humour. I find the MI games somewhat overrated too. Decent games that gave a few laughs, but they don't make it to my top ten list (which currently contains 15 games).
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: on Wed 02/04/2003 04:23:25
I have the CD version of Simon1, and he still walks damned slow. Crazy.

Simon 2 wasn't as good. He was just so unlikeable. Occasionally I didn't really want to insult people, but even if you click on the 'nice' options he twists it around and insults the person again. Funny for a while, but still unlikeable.

Simon3D hasn't been released in Australia. Where'd you get a copy Las? I'll have to find your house and steal it...

- Punch
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Las Naranjas on Wed 02/04/2003 06:53:36
Taking inspiration from the game series Simon's creators drew inspiration from, I, uh, turned to piracy.

Which I justified by the fact I couldn't buy it legitimately.  I traded with Esseb.
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: SimSaw on Mon 14/04/2003 15:52:00
I found StS 1 & 2  very good! I planned to make a film out of all 3 games, but I noticed that I don't have the time (school) nor the equipment (camera, good capture program...) to do that. Maybe some day I will be able to do that. If you want to help me then email me: SimSaw@web.de

StS 3D wasn't as good than 1 & 2 with the grafic. But I think the history of the game is quite OK, but it wasn't so good as I thought. What I hate most: The game end in the same way than the second game: To be continued. Simon is now in this strange world and has drunk in this games only a cup of coffee some soda bottles and only eaten a fruit. If Simon had come and mysteriously came back it would be better. I hope the next game will have a good end but it shouldn't be the last one.
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: n3tgraph on Tue 15/04/2003 08:08:06
I have the original cd version of simon2 with talkie :)

really really lovely game!!!!
I never played simon 1 though  :-[
I can't find it anywhere

But I love simon
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: PeaceMan on Mon 05/05/2003 13:29:36
StS 1 and 2 were both great but I found StS 1 a bit boring because you spent a long time walking around trying to find places on the map. The pirate ship on simon 2 however was great.
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Eero on Mon 05/05/2003 15:06:26
Started playing StS3D few weeks ago.
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Scavenger on Mon 05/05/2003 21:29:56
QuoteSimon is now in this strange world and has drunk in this games only a cup of coffee some soda bottles and only eaten a fruit.

You're wrong! He ate a mushroom too :P
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Captain Mostly on Tue 06/05/2003 09:44:49
I recently played Simon the Sorcerer 2 (having played the first one AGES ago). It's ok, but nothing like as funny as I remember the first one being. :(

Also, the story isn't up to much.

BUT the role-players are hilarious, and there are some really good jokes. It's just a shame that I am now playing Broken Sword 2 which makes the lazy plotting and cheap would-be-monty-python humour (let alone unforgivable "quoting" jokes) look all the worse. It's a stone cold shame.

ALSO Simon the Sorcerer 2 is one of the best examples of how NOT to execute post-modern "This is MEANT to be a family game! We'll never get a sequil now!" style comedy.

I'm sure the first one had these failings too, but I don't remember them.

Anyway, I still likethe game and stuff, it's just really not good enough to be a pofessional offering. Nor is it obviously amateur enough to be forgiven for it's failings
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Gonzo on Thu 08/05/2003 17:43:26
Ah yes, the 'fourth wall'. It was CRIMINALLY overused in StS2 I seem to remember, and mixed with the often puerile humour, the comedy of the game is pretty patchy. Good story and puzzles though.

I'm pretty sure that the original StS actually didn't have anything like as much of that kind of humour. It was slimmer on humour to begin with, and what there was of it was better. But StS1 had bad puzzle structure comparatively, so both games have their flaws.
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Eggie on Thu 08/05/2003 18:11:16
The two-headed shop-keeper part...

...wonderful...

And not a single joke about being trapped in a game.

*sigh*
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: viktor on Sat 05/06/2004 20:57:53
I liked the part when he kisses repunsel beter.
Or the time he has that frog thing ( I can't remember the word)for hostige.
Or...
I'd better stop or you'll never hear the end of it.
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Marley_brother on Sat 05/06/2004 22:06:53
STS1 is funny. I haven't played STS2 yet. Is it good?
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Las Naranjas on Sun 06/06/2004 11:37:34
It's still entertaining and playable, but not quite as fun as the original. The RPGers make up for it though.

Simon 3d sucks.
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: auhsor on Sun 06/06/2004 13:08:00
Heh, I havnt played any of the Simon games, or the Discworld games... I was mostly a Sierra guy growing up, and then Lucasarts, with MM and DoTT.

I should play them one day.
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Eggie on Sun 06/06/2004 15:26:50
The Simon games have great huimour. It's a shame that the actual gameplay doesn't really measure up.
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Azure on Sun 06/06/2004 22:47:04
Simon one is my favourite adventures  I played it on the Amiga Cd32 ( to show you how long that was ^^). I loved it to bits although  I was kinda put off by the changing of the voice actor from the guy who played Rimmer in red dwarf.
Title: Re:Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Pesty on Mon 07/06/2004 02:13:36
Quote from: Pumaman on Sat 29/03/2003 16:38:24
Simon annoyed me because he walked so damn slowly all the time, I got fed up and quit after not very long. I'm sure it was a good game though ;)


Ditto. I still have it on my computer, but every time I try to play, the fact that it's so stupidly slow drives me batty.
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Las Naranjas on Mon 07/06/2004 02:40:17
the version I downloaded had the same problem, but the cd version I got didn't.

I think that just means I'm more awesome than pete.
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: deltamatrix on Mon 07/06/2004 02:44:56
Well I thought STS2 was the best. I liked his sarcasm and humour.

STS1 had hardly any sarcasm.

Simon3D had cool sarcasm but that was the only good thing it DID have. >:(

I like sarcasm. ;D
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Punch on Mon 07/06/2004 04:42:35
I actually finally got a copy of StS3D off Esseb last year.

Oh dear.

I can't believe how truly awful it is. Sure, it was meant to be released a lot earlier than it was, but the graphics were shocking. I don't mind bad graphics in general, but when the character's hands are inverted in a pre-scripted opening cinematic there's something dreadfully wrong. And you can't skip the opening movie. I clicked on 'watch intro' in the menu, assuming it was there because they weren't going to show it to me in-game, and when I started the game the whole boring thing played all over again, with no way to skip. I ended up leaving the room and doing something else while it played itself out.

I got out of the monastery and then had to reformat my computer (for other reasons) and never re-installed the game. Maybe I'll go back to it eventually. One day.

- Punch
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Do0kie on Fri 11/06/2004 00:15:20
I think Simon 2 was the best. However not only did he move about as fast as a drunken snail, the other characters were also extremely slow. This only affects gameplay during the talking scenes, but it drove me nuts, being used to LucasArts and Sierra.
I particularly liked the idea of the old-new combination in Simon 2, such as the surveillance cameras at the three bears' cottage and the MucSwampling's restaurant in the middle of a medieval town.
I've also played Simon 1, never finished it though.

Oh, by the way, "What do you call a man with a seagull on his head?" ;D
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: on Wed 07/02/2007 22:04:05
Does anyone know where to GET simon the sorcerer? :/
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: on Wed 07/02/2007 22:18:27
I have Simon 2 on CD, found at a car-boot sale - but I haven't played the first one yet...so I've decided to wait on the second one for now :p Are they freeware yet? ;)
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: on Wed 07/02/2007 22:23:29
I've been looking for a downloadable one for ages :(
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: LimpingFish on Wed 07/02/2007 22:24:21
Simon 1 and 2 are still sold at retail, and freely available. I've seen them in various stores (GAME, HMV, etc) fairly recently. Or you could try here. (http://www.adventuresoft.com/acatalog/Simon_the_Sorcerer_games.html)
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: on Wed 07/02/2007 22:35:03
It seems super expensive at the activison store :(

(Also, I don't have creditcard, but I'd totally buy it if I did)
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: ManicMatt on Wed 07/02/2007 22:49:00
Come down to GameWorld in Leicester, for we have one copy of Simon the Sorceror on cd! Without the case.. so I'll sell it for a mere pound coin I think.

We did have Simon 3D as well, but someone bought it.

We still have Simon's puzzle collection though! Come and get it! Please.

The Hinckley city GameWorld is where I bought Leisure Suit Larry 6, Under a killing moon and ToonStruck fully boxed and unused for 50p each.
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Becky on Thu 08/02/2007 11:41:02
I got Simon 1 + 2 from either GAME or Gamestation for £7.  It's out there.
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Unknown_Terror on Thu 08/02/2007 12:49:24
I absolutely loved the Simon the Sorcerer games.... I used to have a Talky Simon The Sorceror version, with the voice of Chris Barry (Red Dwarf - Rimmer, Tomb Raider - Butler) as Simon, and all the NPC's had voices too, i thought it was pretty amazing.

I can't remember where i got it, but it's out there somewhere.
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: ManicMatt on Thu 08/02/2007 14:43:05
Quote from: Unknown_Terror on Thu 08/02/2007 12:49:24
.. but it's out there somewhere.

Do you just copy everything people say or what?  :-\
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: nulluser on Thu 08/02/2007 15:58:15
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Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: ManicMatt on Thu 08/02/2007 16:08:35
Quote from: Unknown_Terror on Thu 08/02/2007 12:49:24
with the voice of Chris Barry (Red Dwarf - Rimmer, Tomb Raider - Butler) as Simon,

Quote from: TheVintageDemon on Thu 08/02/2007 15:58:15
Did you know that Chris Barrie voiced Simon? (Chris Barrie is Rimmer off Red Dwarf)
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Tuomas on Thu 08/02/2007 16:11:54
Quote from: ManicMatt on Thu 08/02/2007 14:43:05
Do you just copy everything people say or what?Ã,  :-\

;)
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: nulluser on Thu 08/02/2007 16:13:23
Quote from: Tuomas on Thu 08/02/2007 16:11:54
Quote from: ManicMatt on Thu 08/02/2007 14:43:05
Do you just copy everything people say or what?Ã,  :-\

;)

Quotes galore...

Quote
Quoting stinks!!
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: on Fri 09/02/2007 10:17:00
I have great memories of the original Simon...it was such a pleasure to come home and play it. I still remember the music vividly (that's not necessarily a good thing  ;D) ...but I did not enjoy Simon 2 and didn't even try Simon 3....The character got too bratty for me- not charming, just bratty and irritating, which is a shame. I imagine he was supposed to appeal to a certain type of person, but he didn't appeal to me. Not sure what they'll do with him in the new game.
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: joelphilippage on Fri 09/02/2007 13:32:44
QuoteDoes anyone know where to GET simon the sorcerer? :/
I have found a torrent with a scumm games collection that includes both simon the sorcerers that you can run with scumm.
EDITED

no warez on the forums.
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Unknown_Terror on Fri 09/02/2007 13:52:01
I didn't mean to copy what VintageDemon said, I guess i missed his post. I noticed alot of people said it's out there somewhere, but it's confirming the truthÃ,  ;D Anyway nevermind, who really cares that much. Maybe you do and i apologise.

I think Simon 1 & 2 is on Home of the Underdogs, i think it's DOS version though. But it's definately there. I used to have the Amiga versions in original when i was younger, but i would imagine they would be pretty rare.

EDIT: Oh no i just realised Vintage post after me...So i didn't copy him.. Nevermind.
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: on Sat 10/02/2007 17:56:19
Quote from: joelphilippage on Fri 09/02/2007 13:32:44
I have found a torrent with a scumm games collection that includes both simon the sorcerers that you can run with scumm.
EDITED

no warez on the forums.
QuoteI think Simon 1 & 2 is on Home of the Underdogs, i think it's DOS version though. But it's definately there. I used to have the Amiga versions in original when i was younger, but i would imagine they would be pretty rare.

So does that mean you guys know where to get a playable version(s)? Cause I could care less if it's DOS.
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Esseb on Sun 11/02/2007 21:29:44
No one on this forum is going to link to a place where you can download them, Sirus. If you want to warez them, ask elsewhere.

If you want to buy them, however, you can do so here (http://www.adventuresoft.com/acatalog/Simon_the_Sorcerer_games.html).
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Rui 'Trovatore' Pires on Sun 11/02/2007 22:00:43
No, Esseb, the funny thing is, Unknown_Terror had just said

QuoteI think Simon 1 & 2 is on Home of the Underdogs, i think it's DOS version though. But it's definately there.
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: LimpingFish on Sun 11/02/2007 23:05:27
They are both on Underdogs. And both link to the AdventureSoft store. And rightly so. :)
Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Unknown_Terror on Mon 12/02/2007 12:56:27
Ahh so you still have to buy them right? I just did a quick search i didn't check it out completely.
Anyway i said they were there i didn't say they were free. Even though HOTU does have alot of stuff that shouldn't be.

Title: Re: Simon The sorcerer
Post by: Esseb on Tue 13/02/2007 19:25:22
Quote from: Rui "Trovatore" Pires on Sun 11/02/2007 22:00:43
No, Esseb, the funny thing is, Unknown_Terror had just said

QuoteI think Simon 1 & 2 is on Home of the Underdogs, i think it's DOS version though. But it's definately there.

Not particularly helpful since they don't actually have them. Plus he technicially didn't link to it. Anyway, his post would be deleted if he had, so it would be as if it never existed.