KQIII+ VGA

[MHawk]

PROJECT POSTPONED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE:

Due to other engagements, commitments, and issues, this project cannot get the amount of time it deserves.  For that reason it is being postponed until further notice.  Most likely until next summer - if at all.

Sorry, for any inconvenience this might have caused.

Sincerely,

MHawk

[undergroundling]

I hope to see more development from this project in the future.  Sounds good so far.  Good luck with your endeavour.

- Bryan

[Snake]

How many colors are you using? 256? You mentioned something about Manannan's house being in hi-color, I suggest making the WHOLE game 256 in order to keep concistancy in graphics. It would be goofy to experience the whole game like shown in that screenie, but then get to Manannan's house and it's 3D rendered, lol, or a scanned pic  


--Snake

[LucasFan]

> *BUBIS (Better Under Bed Inventory System)

Funny Idea! Good luck with the project!  

[Erpy]

A small request which probably goes without saying: if you're going to remake King's Quest III and add things to it, please be kind enough to pretend KQ2+ never existed.

[Bryce]

I would suggest looking at AGAST's background tutorial (I don't know if you're an artist or not, but it helped me!) and I'm working on finishing up a background tutorial of my own as well!

[agsking]

Keep up the good work!

[Bryce]

I haven't seen much of your own art yet, except the BUBIS (I love your acronyms). I can easily tell that you have a great handle on the programming, but it will be very difficult to do the entire project yourself.

Not puttin' you down or anything, but maybe try going to www.sijun.com and finding an artist? That way, you'll be able to work on programming 100% of the time, and it should cut development time in half!

I fully support what you're doing.

[AGA]

His site mentions he has a VGA artist... It says:
"Using original KQIII backdrops for now until my Graphics Artist gets the VGA ones to me."

[LucasFan]

@ Michael

I suggest you to use the collage-technique that Tierra used for KQ1VGA & KQ2VGA. That way the backgrounds are easier to make. Use the SCI Decoder to extract backgrounds from KQ5, KQ6 or Robin Hood and use them as raw material. Here  are some examples.

[earlwood]

Mike, If I could make a suggestion, if you're planning on using the original KQ3 graphics maybe you should try to emulate the original style of drawing that of the old version when you are making a new room. Unless, you're planning to take the original graphics and spruce them up and stuff..

I'm just saying it may look a little wierd (unless you want that, which is cool too) going from a 4-bit room to a PhotoShop created room.


34r1w00d!  

[Timosity]

Good luck MHawk,
It could take a year on your own, and that's before you even start doing your own graphics (depending on how much free time you get[depending whether you work fulltime or not] plus how long between breaks of motivation)

I've been working on a similar type project for a few months, which is coming along nicely, I might ad, I just don't like this sort of early publicity, when mine comes out it will be a surprise to most people, others that know what I'm doing have probably already forgotten, which is the way i like to work, under the cover of night, with hints here and there (this is a sly one)  but in reality, I don't want many people to d/l it, just the few who really care, I just want to create a commercial favourite, to the ultimate non comercial market, ie the ones who flukily pick up my hints, (but this is not one)


Again
Good luck Mhawk,

may your enthusiasm run through to the end

[Swift]

Good luck making the game!  

[Snake]

Off-topic posts and smart-ass remarks removed.
Now, PLEASE stay on topic.
ONLY post if you have something good to say about MHawk's project and/or if you have any suggestions regarding graphics/sound/etc...nothing regarding Tierra's remake. DON'T force me to lock this thread, it would be unfair to MHawk... as if it's not unfair already with everyone arguing in his promotional thread, while not paying any mind to his progress.


--Snake

[Matt Brown]

hey, this looks pretty profesional. Im intersested, and will be watching this one.

[Dave Gilbert]

Heya.  More power to ya!  KQ3 was my favorite of the series (if only because it was the first game I solved 100% on my own).  Remaking it and adding more detail sounds like a great plan to me.  I'm looking forward to see what you come up with, dude.

-Dave

[Vel]

And now, for the constructive critic:
Mhawk, you may be a good programmer, but that doesnt get you out of your newbie status. And, you'll have to agree with me, that when a newbie's first post is about a remake of one of the best games ever, which itself is a very, very ambitious project, people are not very likely to believe him.
Now, critic by categories:
Graphics: Though we havent seen a single actual screenshot yet, those "devshots" seen so far dont seen very optimistic. The only one you have made, under the bed, looks more like a table, and, moreover, I bet anyone could do such backgroung in 3 minutes. I will have more criticism when you show us screenshots from the actual game.
Sound: You said that your remake is going to feature additional music and voice packs. But you still havent found a musician nor voice actors. And I think that a KQ voice acting without the original actor for the player character wouldn't be very kq-ish.
Plot: You mentioned that it would feature additional plot elements. Youve gotta be very, very careful though, because you are not dealing with a world you have created yourself. And I BET that your version of the cat's story is a man who tried to defy manannan but got turned into a cat instead. I may be wrong though.
Scripting & Misc: I have not seen your actual in-game code yet, but it seems like the only thing you do not have problems with. And an on-screen inventory does not seem very kq-ish either, do you not think(since you are remaking it in kq5 style, not in kq7 style)? And one more thing - I do not want to know about EVERY single thing you have done for the game. So do be a little bit more laconic in your post and site, okay?
I dont want to be offensive nor insultive, but kqs are the series that introduced adventure gaming to the world, and thus deserve to make a good remake. Time will show who is right. I pray that it is you.

[deltamatrix]

I think MHawk that you should've announced this game later after a few more breakthroughs. Anyone can just SAY that there are going to do a remake without doing one. You trying to WOW us with that screenshot makes me regard you as a loser. Now you must prove me wrong. I'm counting on you.

[Goldmund]

MHawk, I hope you will go on despite the stupidity in this thread.
Please try and don't pay attention.
I cannot find words to describe the absurd behaviour on part of some people.

[Vel]

Goldmund, if you have something against, me, just tell me. Not that I have something againgst you though.

[Goldmund]

I cannot have anything against you, because I don't know you enough, but as you make the E-zine I know you're a sensible and dedicated person!
I simply have lots against the words you write in this thread. I guess that's because you're too emotional about the original game, but even then such discouragement is really out of place in this forum.

The only one you have made, under the bed, looks more like a table, and, moreover, I bet anyone could do such backgroung in 3 minutes.

Do I really need to comment on this one?

Sound: You said that your remake is going to feature additional music and voice packs. But you still havent found a musician nor voice actors.

You're acting like a policeman conducting an investigation against the man.

And I BET that your version of the cat's story is a man who tried to defy manannan but got turned into a cat instead. I may be wrong though.

Christ, it's just silly, being SURE that the designer had a stupid idea just because you're afraid of him spoiling the remake. Let's say he does, then he gets criticised, nobody downloads the game. What catastrophe has befallen on mankind? Do all the old KQ discs disappear in a puff of smoke?

So do be a little bit more laconic in your post and site, okay?

Why do you tell the man what his site should look like? And there are plenty of people who write much more detail in their game dev threads.

I dont want to be offensive nor insultive

Well but you are!11!!!
In my opinion you should stop being so afraid that somebody will ruin the KQ series. One remake cannot make you loose your precious memories!
I admire people who have strong feelings, but I think that you border on irrational.

[Vel]

Sorry guys, cant help it. Moderators, if you like, delete this post:

Spoiler

Infact, Im very optimistic about this remake. The graphics look STUNNING and I bet that the ones in the final remake will be better than these in kq6. And this BUBIS screenshot looks...WOW!!!I bet you're going to do a 3Dintro movie better than thi in kq6 and kq2vga. Who needs tierra when we have Mikware? No-one, of course. I BET Tom and Dianne  Lewandowski will be honoured to make music for your game, even to record two or three songs. Also, the guy who acted Alexander in kq6 and Josh Mandel will offer their help to you in very short time. And Roberta Williams and Jane Jensen will help you with the plot. Im sure they have an idea or two about enhancing the plot. Again, way to go dude! Youre THE man who can remake kq3!!!!

[close]

Goldmund: Im sure no-one wants to know about every pixel scripted in the game and that you dislike long threads filles with this sort of news: "Did the light switch scripting, now Im off to draw a 5x5 pixel torch"

Again, sorry.

[Pumaman]

Vel, if you really "can't help it", you should seriously consider refraining from reading this forum.

What is the point of your posts? What are they supposed to achieve? You were asked by Snake to refrain from this type of thing, and yet you continue. Why?

Please reconsider your attitude - you are only alienating people, and certainly aren't making any friends with these type of posts.

[Vel]

As I said, sorry. Delete my post. I just hadn't used irony in this thread before. I do not want to alienate people, but, as the forum rules say, a man has got to show a few screenshots and to be sure that the game will be finished before posting it here.

[deltamatrix]

Whats wrong with proper honest critics like Vel? I support his words. They are so true.

If this was just some original AGS game then such criticism shouldn't be tolerated but for god's sake THIS IS A REMAKE. Remakes have to be better than the original. Critics like Vel are necessary to give the remakers a kick start to doing whats right! People like us may not mind tackiness in such games but what about the other Sierra fans who don't follow AGS.
Us people here who don't mind a few dodgy or weird graphics are in the minority.

From what MHawk has shown us, he could to ruin a good game such as KQ3 unless those screenshots ARE improved. I loved that game!!!!!! PLZ DONT MESS IT UP. I BEG YOU

Have you ever been to www.fangames.co.uk

Those games are shit!! And they make a disgusting mockery of LucasArts good name. Shame on them!

This is a game and should be treated with extra care like what Tierra have done.

[Minimi]

Whats wrong with proper honest critics like Vel? I support his words. They are so true.

If this was just some original AGS game then such criticism shouldn't be tolerated but for god's sake THIS IS A REMAKE. Remakes have to be better than the original. Critics like Vel are necessary to give the remakers a kick start to doing whats right! People like us may not mind tackiness in such games but what about the other Sierra fans who don't follow AGS.
Us people here who don't mind a few dodgy or weird graphics are in the minority.

From what MHawk has shown us, he could to ruin a good game such as KQ3 unless those screenshots ARE improved. I loved that game!!!!!! PLZ DONT MESS IT UP. I BEG YOU

Have you ever been to www.fangames.co.uk

Those games are shit!! And they make a disgusting mockery of LucasArts good name. Shame on them!

This is a game and should be treated with extra care like what Tierra have done.

omg deltamatrix, these games ARE really bad!! Mostly copied sprites... and an atmosphere around it that does not fit.... and second even games made in TGF... see sam&max roadtrip! Well, im using Multimedia Fusion, but not for these crappy things! Shame on them.

[Frogman]

Those games are shit!! And they make a disgusting mockery of LucasArts good name. Shame on them!

lol!  So true...although I did give a couple of those MI fangames positive reviews over at Anthenor's.  Those games had a couple positive qualities

Yeah, I agree -- being critical about remakes of games is fine...if it's a fangame, not a direct remake, that's different.  Just my opinion, though.  Of course, generally bitching about other peoples' games isn't a good idea...you know, like I used to do when I first came to the AGS forums.  Sorry about that, by the way!

Good luck with this King's Quest game, though!  One question: why are you posting these screenshots, basically no more than what we've already seen in the AGI version, if you've got a VGA artist working on better?  Wait until he gets some kickass visuals for you to show off and you'll get people a lot more excited with the project.  Same with the under the bed thing...

This is cool, though.  I guess a lot of people get pissed when it's not Tierra remaking the games, but so what?  It's cool to see more people getting in on this...you know, assuming the final products will be of high quality and all

[BOYD1981]

why does everything always have to come down to how good the graphics are with most people in this thread?
i wouldn't really care if he used the original sprites, animations, sounds and backgrounds in the remake, i mean how many of you wish you could play your old games on your fancy new PCs and operating systems that don't allow you to? an exact remake would allow you to do that, and if you demanded better graphics you wouldn't be playing that old game...

[evilspacefart]

it sounds like if MHawks game doesn't live up to the orginal it will ruin it.
That doesn't make sense. How will it ruin the original? You can still play it, Mhawks game doesn't affect it in the slightest. Are the sierra fans going to die? No one is forced to play mhwaks game.
Can we let him just announce his good/bad/whatever game? You guys already said how much you think it sucks over and over but you still keep going on and on. This ISN'T Critics lounge.

[Nellie]

Hmm, these criticisms seem to be coming from the position that 'If it won't be a stunningly good remake, then you shouldn't be doing it'.  Why?  Mhawk's remake isn't going to affect the original, as evilspacefart pointed out.  If you don't like it, just ignore it.  Cool your criticisms, please, and make sure they're genuinely constructive before posting.

Goldmund has already pointed out the shortcoming's of Vel's post, but I must also mention deltamatrix's:

You trying to WOW us with that screenshot makes me regard you as a loser.

Come on - you know this is not appropriate.  Play nice, people.

Now that's two moderators and CJ (er...  Pumaman) who have posted their disapproval of the nature of the criticisms in this thread.  Please get the message.

[deltamatrix]

Yea I posted that BEFORE all that controversy. I did say he should prove me wrong and I want him too.

EDIT: MHawk, are you going to recreate the 3 bears scene with the porridge or are you going to develop it and replace it with something that doesn't plagarise an old fairy tale just like how Tierra developed the Little red riding hood bits in KQ2+

[Danny]

I just found out about your work.
Is there a DEMO available for download, somewhere?
I'm eager to play your game,  i saw the screenshots: COOL!
I played the original, and i love it. I played 1 & 2 from Tierra and your
VGA version of 3 is gonna be fantastic, too.
I'm busy with my own game, called King's Quest Forever.
You'll hear from me, if you want, about it.
Please, mail me soon!
Keep up the good work!  

-Danny Desse'

[Vel]

Danny
1. No, there is not a demo
2. WHAT screenshots? Those are from the original agi version
3. He hasnt updated his site for 2 months

[Danny]

Are they really, Vel?
I didn't saw that, honestly.
Weird, isn't it? Maybe we're talking about different things,
KQ3VGA???

[Danny]

Oh, yes!
I see now!
Sorry.

[daventry]

Hi, i want to ask Danny something.

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I just found out about your work.
Is there a DEMO available for download, somewhere?
I'm eager to play your game, i saw the screenshots: COOL!
I played the original, and i love it. I played 1 & 2 from Tierra and your
VGA version of 3 is gonna be fantastic, too.
I'm busy with my own game, called King's Quest Forever.
You'll hear from me, if you want, about it.
Please, mail me soon!
Keep up the good work!

-Danny Desse'
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You said this.

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I'm busy with my own game, called King's Quest Forever
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Is there a link, or website.

How far is the game from releasing.

[daventry]

Hi, i have been here a week now and i want to know something from someone.

What is the progress so far in the KQ3VGA game. I mean, there are no news updates on that site or new pictures.

I read that a Danny guy is making a game called King's Quest Forever

Is there a link so that i can go there.

Please write back, thank you.

[games_maker]

Looks good so far. Please mail me if a small DEMO releases!

[Vel]

Sorry for the question but WHAT does look good? Sierra gfx from 1986? They sure do!

[Danny]

King's Forever is partly made with AGS. The rest will be done with my own engine which is just finished. The game is still FAR from releasing and lots of thing have to been done, still. Since i'm doing this stuff alone, it could take some time to release. The plot will be simular to KQ3, cause i think that's the best KQ of them all. So the answer to your question is:
no, there is no link for previews. My site will soon be online, and a small DEMO will release together with it. Thanks for your interest!

[deltamatrix]

Kings Quest Forever. Sounds interesting. Good luck 2 u.

Looks although KQ3VGA has died. We seem to be slightly in a position where we r expecting frequent updates which we ain't getting.
Oh well, easy come easy go.
I await the next KQ3 fanatic who reckons he can make it.

[deltamatrix]

Oh jesus!

What is wrong with TXT style writing?! It has become an everyday part of our lives. I bet one day in the future, even politicans and lords will write their memoirs or whatever like that. Don't ask y.

[Hinders]

Can't any one make a lsl 3 remake...

[Vel]

[irony] EDITED [/irony]

Stop being a smart ass.

Please  


--Snake

[daventry]

Is this Mike guy still gonna make KQ3VGA later.

Is there someone else making a KQ3VGA.

[AGA]

www.google.com - find out for yourself.

[daventry]

King's Quest Forever, is it a joke. Cause i read on the Tierra Forum Board that it was a hoaks, a joke.

Is there any news on KQ3 VGA

[Khaveen]

Looks like KQ3VGA was, too, a big joke.
No demo.
No screenshots.
Result - POSTPONED. Read the first post, daventry.

[Vel]

I don't hear ya! Who was right and who was wrong?

[MHawk]

Who was right and who was wrong?

Chris was right: "You should seriously consider refraining from reading this forum."

[Vel]

Lucasfan, is that you?

[Khaveen]

Of course it's LF! He just revealed us his secret: how he remakes EGA pictures.  

[Vel]

He forgot the cactus!

[Darth Mandarb]

He forgot the cactus!

It's not a cactus!!  It's a HIDDEN MICKEY!!!!!

])]v[

[Totoro]

The cactus is hidden, because it will surpise someone like Vel who is walking in the fields and steps on the cactus. If the catsus wasn't hidden, Vel would not step on it  

[Vel]

Anyway, LF, I think you should start remaking something NOW!

[deadsuperhero]

Sounds cool. Can we see some screenshots? 8)

[Blackthorne]

Sounds cool. Can we see some screenshots? 8)

Uh, this project has been dead quite some time.

Blackthorne

[BerserkerTails]

I think Webspider just earned his place at the AGS Forums, hahaha. Looks like the n00b has brought our cat out of it's bag!

[Blackthorne]

I don't think anyone will look here!  Heh.

Bt

[auhsor]

Well I looked here, and so will many other peoples I think Looks very nice.