Pub master quest.結晶の前に
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This story in the US is called "Before crystal" meaning this story is the story that's starts it all.You play as a Young Boy named Daventh.He is the prince in his kingdom but with in six days he will become the king of zalsidor.A great threat has been spotted to the east and he has sent his best party of elite warrior's called carat knights to take down this colossus,But he soon comes to find that the biggest threat is yet to come.click here to see the opening for the game & please read the description (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAOzmF2oGgw&feature=player_embedded)
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This game will have many DLC that may not have anything to do with the story(the dlc will not be "with square" but by you.if you have any ideas of DLC for the game just PM me{I will cover more on DLC when the game is done.}
(http://pubmembers.webs.com/001.png)There will be a Demo 10/9/10
I've had a bad day and now i'm gonna take it out on you.
Why do you keep wasting somewhat competent artwork on such messed up projects, why do you still have that fucking Square Enix logo in your game? Why didn't you bother colouring your main image? Why the hell have you put the sub-title in Jap?
...and why is it still called pub master quest, it's a shit name!
I like the messed up perspective in your second image. Why don't you make a real game, one that will actually get finished to a credible standard.
Quote from: Chicky on Sat 09/10/2010 12:17:00
I've had a bad day and now i'm gonna take it out on you.
Why do you keep wasting somewhat competent artwork on such messed up projects, why do you still have that fucking Square Enix logo in your game? Why didn't you bother colouring your main image? Why the hell have you put the sub-title in Jap?
...and why is it still called pub master quest, it's a shit name!
I like the messed up perspective in your second image. Why don't you make a real game, one that will actually get finished to a credible standard.
Ah the perfect comment I have planned for.This game takes place before pub master quest 1(my first ags game)which was posted by me and square enix(as a joke but for real someday)the main game is a short game that will follow the story up to pub master quest 1 then that is were i make DLC for the game and when this happens the DLC will not have a square logo.the title is staying Pub master quest but the sub title is in jap because it really doesn't take much effect on the title.I cant change the title of the 20 PMQ games that are already planed out(some will not be made with ags)
The art work for the old Final fantasy games
(http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/1433/643563-amano_paladin___dark_knight_cecil_super.jpg)
The art work for the Pub master quest games
(http://pubmembers.webs.com/amono%20art%20style.png)
And the PMQ.2 -online- is still be made mog.net has taken over for now.I need a break but a "Short" one.
I believe you need a very long break. And not for games. You need a break so you can learn actual grammar and punctuation. It really is a problem, and no one is going to take you seriously unless they can
understand you.
Quote from: icey games on Sat 09/10/2010 14:10:32
the title is staying Pub master quest but the sub title is in jap because it really doesn't take much effect on the title.I cant change the title of the 20 PMQ games that are already planed out(some will not be made with ags)
So you have a Japanese subtitle, just to have it? And 20 PMQ games planned out? Are you serious?
I agree with Chicky. Your artwork is very good, but wasted on these attempts, just because you want to become the next Square Enix and make 19024901264109874 Final Fantasy rip-off games.
I already know someone has said it, but you should focus on completing an actual story first. From playing your first PMQ game, the elements that actually make the game were non-existent. Jumbled story line that only made sense from the blurb in your thread, and forgettable characters, except the ones you obviously stole from Final Fantasy. However, the artwork was very good.
I believe you can do much better if you slow down and focus more. Stop trying to tie in with Final Fantasy and putting Square Enix in all your creations.
You are NOT Square Enix. Believe me, I've had the same experience on these forums. Sometimes you can't be so ambitious.
Check this thread out. (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=11350.0) This is me in 2004. Look what happened to that project.
You will find that if you actually take your time, and start small, you'll be better off later on, and more people will be inclined to help you here. Best wishes.
I have already said that after pmq.2 it was my last "square enix"(but not really a square enix game) game but after listening to you all I have stoped making square enix games so pmq.2 -online- will not be with square enix.the 20 pmq game have been planed out from 2005.my title change effected the game really bad but in a way good because it takes a total of 10 pmq games to get back to the old story line.these games were origanly titled final fantasy.Xiii but came 09 I had to the title to something like final fantasy and a game on ags.around that time ff.tactics a2 was out and in the game the players could only get progress in the game only if they visited the pub to get new quests which ether was something that had to do with the story or was just a side quest.so I started to work on the gae and weeks later I got so caught up in the game I made so many error's that I got mixed up and released the game really before it was done.right after I put the game on ags I started work on ags but I soon noticed when I was showing my cusion pmq1,the game made no sence and I tried to fix it but I gave up and when I went to work on pmq2 I noticed I couldn't do this by myself and gave up.work on a 3rd and 4th game came about but both failed.so I started rework on part2 again and it worked out great so I contiued but soon lost entressed like some other games and that's why mognet took over the pmq.2 project.I thought that game will make no scence if I worked on it with out pmq.1 and pmq1 will make no sence unless i make a game that starts the story from the begining.that's why this game has square enix cause it takes place before pmq1 and pnq1 has the square enix logo in it so I thought this game should keep it for now.but I will take it out for the DLC.there is no ff characters in my games only moogles and cid(I took them out of pmq.2 disk 1-4) and if you seen cloud in pmq.1 then you skiped over with clrt+x and seen the beta room.but I with all of that said this short game will be th LAST "square enix" & icey games game and the pmq.1 remake will have no moogles and no square enix logos so this will be my last square enix game,I really mean it.
Use a keyboard, not your cellphone. I don't think I'm the only one who refuses to read that passage.
Quote from: icey games on Sat 09/10/2010 14:10:32I cant change the title of the 20 PMQ games that are already planed out
Why not?
You know... normally this is the time where I'd write something about "stay on topic" or "let's get back on topic" but you know what? I'm just lettin' this one go.
However I would like to take this opportunity to point out to all of you who are going to feed the troll; you are just feeding a troll.
No matter what has been said/done these random games in production keep poppin' up (even though the last 20 haven't been finished that I know of).
If you tell him to use puncuation/grammar it will fall on deaf ears and his posts will continue to be illegible and rambling.
If you make suggestions about graphics/titles, etc it won't matter. He's got big futures w/ Square Enix ahead! You're wasting your time.
So I'm just lettin' this one play itself out. Then I'm going to make it a sticky on "what not to do" ;)
Cheers y'all.
ok-then....
well i will say this.my game could be the best game on ags and still get me in with square enix if i could finish all the games in order.i have said that this is my last square and i have made so many changes that when i show square they will kick me out because i cant seem to hold on to simple story set.i always said my games are not with square enix but i just use music,etc in my so i have to say they sorta helped in way.and i was thinking i can make a remake of kings quest but not ff.7?
HILARIOUS stuff. Seriously. I love reading your posts because they are so helplessly unknowingly funny, unrivaled by anything I've seen yet.
You actually believe that these games will land you a job with Square eventually? That's even more funny ;D
I'm actually laughing out loud as I'm writing this ;D
Quote from: Khris on Sun 10/10/2010 16:25:08You actually believe that these games will land you a job with Square eventually? That's even more funny ;D
You know, after reading this quote from Game Developer's coverage of
Final Fantasy XIII (http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2010/10/game_developer_october_issue_s_1.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gamesetwatch+%28GameSetWatch%29) I wouldn't be so skeptical:
QuoteWhen development started on Final Fantasy XIII its gameplay, scenario, and technical specs were only vaguely defined. The team pushed forward anyway, creating a large number of assets but with no clear sense as to what would ultimately be usable in the game:
"Even at a late stage of development, we did not agree on key elements of the game, which stemmed from the lack of a cohesive vision, the lack of finalized specs, and the remaining problems with communication between departments."
Quote from: Khris on Sun 10/10/2010 16:25:08
HILARIOUS stuff. Seriously. I love reading your posts because they are so helplessly unknowingly funny, unrivaled by anything I've seen yet.
You actually believe that these games will land you a job with Square eventually? That's even more funny ;D
I'm actually laughing out loud as I'm writing this ;D
I not gonna get mad,I can make it in to square enix with my games.I have small chance making it in using something like AGS but at least it will show that I have art skill(paper/and computer) I can make games ,cool cut scenes,etc...I cant get trouble for something I am not selling.I can make what ever sierra remake I want but I cant make my own game that has currency that is called Gil and have a character in my game that called moogle- oh,wait no I cant add that it will make my game stupid and I will have to keep hearing this BS.I dont want to copy square enix nor steal from them I just advertise while keeping to my story in game and characters do nothing to affect the story they just aid you.And someone give the right answer to this,
DID ANY OF YOU ASK SIERRA IF YOU CAN MAKE A REMAKE OR ANOTHER PART TO A KINGS QUEST GAME!?!,NO WORRIES I'LL WAIT...
so until you ask them dont hate,nor laugh upon anything that you think envoles me of stealing from square because I wont steal from someone I want to collaborate with later.
Let's see.
The Phoenix Online team does have permission from Activision (who own the Sierra catalogue nowadays) for The Silver Lining (remember http://kotaku.com/5482221/activision-terminates-fan+made-kings-quest-extension the C&D fiasco?). AGDI also have (albeit reluctant, http://www.agdiforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18=13247&p=209978 from what I gather) permission from the same company regarding their remakes.
So the Sierra comparison is false, because the company that has control over its catalogue is aware of, and has given permission to, at least two major remake teams.
I am uncertain about Infamous Adventures, I'll admit.
Quote from: icey games on Sun 10/10/2010 17:01:02
I can make whatever Sierra remake I want but I can't make my own game that has a currency called Gil and have a character in my game that called Moogle... Oh wait, I cannot add that - it will make my game stupid and I will have to keep hearing this.
Well, people object because the Final Fantasy trademarks have become so overused, so cliche that the inclusion of them makes someone a laughing stock simply because it's been done by fans for years in every single possible way.
That and adding Final Fantasy trademarks to your game just make people confused and annoyed. It's not good game design, at all. Make a parody of it or something. A parody of moogle designs. Something that isn't just "this thing lifted from this franchise".
Also, adding Square Enix as a credit is a
legal offense. I believe it's a breach of trademark law, even if you're not selling the game.
But even so, I want to play an infamous Pub Master Quest (does that japanese subtitle read "Before A Crystal"? Or is it just me?). Just... try to only make one game at first. I'm not keen on the idea of 20 titles in a franchise that has so far not even had one release, and rips off ideas from another franchise.
Quote from: Sslaxx on Sun 10/10/2010 17:24:11
Let's see.
The Phoenix Online team does have permission from Activision (who own the Sierra catalogue nowadays) for The Silver Lining (remember http://kotaku.com/5482221/activision-terminates-fan+made-kings-quest-extension the C&D fiasco?). AGDI also have (albeit reluctant, http://www.agdiforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18=13247&p=209978 from what I gather) permission from the same company regarding their remakes.
So the Sierra comparison is false, because the company that has control over its catalogue is aware of, and has given permission to, at least two major remake teams.
I am uncertain about Infamous Adventures, I'll admit.
ok,I just really needed no
Quote from: Scavenger on Sun 10/10/2010 17:56:05
Quote from: icey games on Sun 10/10/2010 17:01:02
I can make whatever Sierra remake I want but I can't make my own game that has a currency called Gil and have a character in my game that called Moogle... Oh wait, I cannot add that - it will make my game stupid and I will have to keep hearing this.
Well, people object because the Final Fantasy trademarks have become so overused, so cliche that the inclusion of them makes someone a laughing stock simply because it's been done by fans for years in every single possible way.
That and adding Final Fantasy trademarks to your game just make people confused and annoyed. It's not good game design, at all. Make a parody of it or something. A parody of moogle designs. Something that isn't just "this thing lifted from this franchise".
Also, adding Square Enix as a credit is a legal offense. I believe it's a breach of trademark law, even if you're not selling the game.
But even so, I want to play an infamous Pub Master Quest (does that japanese subtitle read "Before A Crystal"? Or is it just me?). Just... try to only make one game at first. I'm not keen on the idea of 20 titles in a franchise that has so far not even had one release, and rips off ideas from another franchise.
so what you are saying is i shouldn't really use ideas from FF because it like a towel.it been remade so much as official games & a as fan games.
QuoteBut even so, I want to play an infamous Pub Master Quest (does that japanese subtitle read "Before A Crystal"? Or is it just me?). Just... try to only make one game at first. I'm not keen on the idea of 20 titles in a franchise that has so far not even had one release, and rips off ideas from another franchise.
I am going to work on this short game then move to the remake/Fixed version of PMQ1 then continue with mog.net on PMQ.2
oh,and the sub title stands for before crystal but it seems like both.its called.I am going to work on this game first so PMQ.1 will be a clear tale & PMQ.2 will make alot of clearer even with ags only having disk 3 of the full game
Ok, I'll admit it now. I am icey games. Always have been.
i just use limpinfish name to as disguise to cover and fact that icey is who i am. been a long time coming but now the truth is know.
See?
The "pub master" malarky has just been one long joke to stir up trouble. But it's become a bit tiresome, so I'll stop now.
Well, maybe just one more post.
Quote from: LimpingFish on Sun 10/10/2010 20:10:48
Ok, I'll admit it now. I am icey games. Always have been.
No, I AM icey games.
Quote from: LimpingFish on Sun 10/10/2010 20:10:48
Ok, I'll admit it now. I am icey games. Always have been.
i just use limpinfish name to as disguise to cover and fact that icey is who i am. been a long time coming but now the truth is know.
See?
The "pub master" malarky has just been one long joke to stir up trouble. But it's become a bit tiresome, so I'll stop now.
Well, maybe just one more post.
i get the joke but nobody listen to limpning fish as he is lieing. i assure i'm the real icey,i can prove it who else can i didn"t think so? (although well done i do try but sometimes my english is not perfect i no this many people always tell me "icey game you must follow forum rulse why dont i try better at english.
Quote from: anian on Sun 10/10/2010 20:30:40
Quote from: LimpingFish on Sun 10/10/2010 20:10:48
Ok, I'll admit it now. I am icey games. Always have been.
No, I AM icey games.
....oooh,are you saying this is what i do to square?HAVE YOU EVEN THOUGHT TO LOOK OVER ANYTHING I POSTED HERE?you no if someone got on here and did what i did and you did this stuff to them they might kill there self?it would be stupid but you would go to jail for blaming someone of stealing from square enix and they ended up killing themselves.i think it would be funny because i would say that you told me i was going to jail and look at, i mean we both did nothing wrong it was just -- actions ;)
Quote from: Atelier on Sun 10/10/2010 20:35:32
Quote from: LimpingFish on Sun 10/10/2010 20:10:48
Ok, I'll admit it now. I am icey games. Always have been.
i just use limpinfish name to as disguise to cover and fact that icey is who i am. been a long time coming but now the truth is know.
See?
The "pub master" malarky has just been one long joke to stir up trouble. But it's become a bit tiresome, so I'll stop now.
Well, maybe just one more post.
i get the joke but nobody listen to limpning fish as he is lieing. i assure i'm the real icey,i can prove it who else can i didn"t think so? (although well done i do try but sometimes my english is not perfect i no this many people always tell me "icey game you must follow forum rulse why dont i try better at english.
Quote from: anian on Sun 10/10/2010 20:30:40
Quote from: LimpingFish on Sun 10/10/2010 20:10:48
Ok, I'll admit it now. I am icey games. Always have been.
No, I AM icey games.
this is getting more stupider then the time some of you were naming ice creams....you cant be me!ha-hahaHAA
Quote from: icey games on Sun 10/10/2010 20:48:50
this is getting more stupider then the time some of you were naming ice creams....you cant be me!ha-hahaHAA
coud this relly get any stupider?was nt it alredy the most stupider ayear ago?
Icey Game - you haven't yet delivered any ice - for shame! See, that rhymes.
This thread is hilarious. ;D
Quote from: Mr. Matti on Sun 10/10/2010 23:11:22
Quote from: icey games on Sun 10/10/2010 20:48:50
this is getting more stupider then the time some of you were naming ice creams....you cant be me!ha-hahaHAA
coud this relly get any stupider?was nt it alredy the most stupider ayear ago?
Icey Game - you haven't yet delivered any ice - for shame! See, that rhymes.
You want ice? i gonna give you a blizzard with this game!
Please tell me you don't actually think showing somebody at Square-Enix this train-wreck of a game will get you a job dude. That's beyond being childishly naive, it's incredibly arrogant and borders on the grounds of literal mental retardation or some other disorder. From what I've seen of your games, they're not even good by AGS standards, let alone good compared to a professional product put out by a multi-million dollar studio. You can't even spell.
There have been, are, and will be a lot of other games that blow anything you could produce out of the water here on AGS (and no, I am not including my own piddly attempt in that group). Your art style is generic anime, the type of scribbles I would see my 7th and 8th grade students doodle on the back of their notebooks in about 10-15 minutes without really trying. It's bland and unoriginal and boring, and it's been done far, far better by people who never had a hope of being legitimately employed by a small time independent game company, let alone a behemoth like Square-Enix.
You spell like a fifth grader. Capitalizing random letters in words, phonetically spelling simple, grade-school level words entirely wrong, and when you do manage to squeeze out legible prose, it's stilted, cheesy, awkward, and insincere sounding.
You also present yourself horribly. You do not sound, act, or present yourself as a professional. Professionals are the people gigantic game companies want to hire. Not poorly educated name-callers trying to convince people on an obscure internet forum how great their tepid little project is.
Get over yourself and wake up dude.
I mean, if I misinterpreted something you've said (which is possible given the nigh-incomprehensability of your posts) and you're just joking that you actually think this and your other games will have a chance of getting you into the company, then by all means, ignore me. If this is just a hobby and you don't expect it to be anything more than a pleasant diversion for yourself and some random people on the internet, cool. Keep on trucking. If however you honestly think you're going to create some kind of portfolio that any self-respecting producer would look at seriously, pull your head out and quit breathing your own fumes.
I started over on my games to improve my ags skill and with one good game the next one will be better and so on.I do not add all that stuff when typing here in the forum but I do in my games.and the reason to that is because it takes to long to go over and hit shift and stuff, i mean what if i am tired and only want to use one hand?
You're either a complete idiot or a very convincing and dedicated troll, willing to devote hours to making absurdly bad games for the sake of his cover.
Read this: http://www.square-enix.com/na/careers/
This is what Square-Enix wants in an employee. Not your crap. You'll notice that almost all positions require several years of work experience or education. Squeenix isn't going to offer a 15-year-old kid a job simply because he made an incredibly low quality rip-off of their games, posting it on AGS among hundreds of much, much better games. Job offers from major game developers based on one game are incredibly rare, and to get one you'd have to be more like Markus Persson with Minecraft. You should note, however, that he got offers from Valve and Bungie only after his game was making him almost $350,000 a day.
Either seriously pursue a career with game development by getting an education and actual skills or start making original games for fun without believing that they'll get you a job with Square.
And your excuse for your poor typing is laughably awful. It's nice that you care enough about us not to be bothered to use more than one hand to convey your ideas. But if it takes too long to hit Shift, then maybe your method of typing is flawed. You could take some typing tutorials and learn how to keyboard efficiently and easily. I recommend Typing of the Dead. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Typing_of_the_Dead)
not that i want to but i am taking a typing class in my high school.i said nothing about actually working in square but what i want to do is work with square meaning I want to make pmq along side square enix and promote it so it can use the crystal tools(game engine).many game company's have worked with square enix to help out with their game.like COD black ops, or Kane and Lynch 2: Dog Days are both made with square enix.I have a chance, a low chance but I would like to use it.
Both of the games you mentioned were made by entire studios of adults (not hack teenagers who whine about typing class and rip-off somebody else's ideas wholesale because they can't be bothered to come up with an original idea on their own, or a player character that doesn't look like the bastard offspring of Sora and Cloud Strife), adults who have years of formal education in game design, art production, and more. Game studios who can fund their own projects that costs millions of dollars.
You don't have a slim chance kid. you have no chance. It will literally never happen with what you're doing now. ever. Not ever. I know you're thinking "Well maybe if I get lucky and a Squeenix executive happens upon my games and he mentions it to his boss they might contact me and and and" NO.
A million times, no. If the head of Square-Enix called you up and gave you an hour to lay out your plans for this ridiculous series, you would be laughed out of the building. Or more likely, escorted out by armed security and thrown into the street with the rest of the deluded, self-important talentless rip-off artists who drop their shorts to their own sad creations and have disproportionate delusions of grandeur because their insanity runs so deep, they can't even tell that what they're working on is terrible.
And terrible by the standards of other hobby games, not huge professional productions like Kane and Lynch or COD. Do you really think you're even close to that level of talent and skill? Are you that pathetically misguided?
I'd encourage you to continue this as a hobby, something to refine whatever meager skills you have, for personal satisfaction and amusement. but the notion you think you would get the support of behemoth like Square-Enix is...it's sad dude. You're really sad.
If you want even a miniscule chance, here's what you should do: Practice now in high school. Learn how to spell like somebody who isn't a moron. Get good grades and save money and then go to a decent graphic arts college or IT school. Spend some years in there mastering whatever talent you can scrape up, then when you graduate and assemble a portfolio of work that doesn't look like you shot it out of your asshole onto a computer screen, find a game production studio that's hiring. Work with them in your desired area for a while, (a few years at least), and maybe if you're very talented, and very lucky, you'll get a chance to pitch ONE game idea to the studio you work for. Not a series of TWENTY, but ONE. UNO. One game. If it becomes a huge success, you might get to make another and have more creative control.
If you just keep doing what you're doing now (typing like a brain-dead preschooler) with the level of art you're producing (ripping off generic anime character designs and poses, screwed up anatomy and proportions), and producing what you're producing (laughably awful messes that barely deserve to be called games) you are literally insane. Like text-book, Oxford dictionary definition of insane. It will never, EVER happen.
OK me vs many people who think i cant get in with square if i win that prove that "crappy" game became will become super famous mean while...some of you will still be using ags.and even if i dont have a chance it wont hurt to try.
You won't win. I mean, there are few certainties in life besides death and taxes, but I can now safely add "Icey getting his PMQ game adopted by Square-Enix as it currently exists and with his current level of skill and ability" to the list.
And as for those people content to just use AGS, the vast majority of the people on these boards making games, who do not have psychotic misguided notions of greatness, are about a thousand times more talented than you'll ever be kiddo. Browse this section of the forums. I did. On the first page of this one section of these forums, pretty much every single thread displayed a game that was better made than yours. Often, by incredible margins.
And let's say the seventh sign of the apocalypse appears and the execs at Square go batshit loco, and decide to commit professional suicide and agree to buy, and promote your game. That's no guarantee it will be popular. Look at this board! This is a tiny, insignificant portion of the video game enthusiast market, and your games are almost universally reviled and mocked. And you're letting people have it for free! You really think anybody's gonna wanna spend money on your shit? Really? Based on what? Your friends in the cafeteria telling you it's so awesome? Sure thing buddy. I'm sure it'll be a big seller on the playground if everybody can manage to pull themselves away from the swing set and the monkey bars.
And no, while it won't hurt to pursue your ridiculous and moronic fantasy about an enormous company purchasing distribution rights to your sad little game that rips off aesthetic (do you even know what aesthetic means without having to look it up) styles, themes, music, and even their own logo, it does hurt to watch you brag about it, because the rest of us aren't stupid, and we're sick of seeing you post this crap.
Quote from: icey games on Mon 11/10/2010 01:16:26
...and even if i dont have a chance it wont hurt to try.
That's right, Icey! Keep reaching for that star. Or square. Time will tell.
Common sense will also tell. It's like I can see the future.
Common sense doesn't have a damn thing to do with the future because things change.
Ice Ice Baby.
jus' sayin'
Quote from: icey games on Mon 11/10/2010 02:28:02
Common sense doesn't have a damn thing to do with the future because things change.
And unless your level of skill, intelligence, talent, and maturity change drastically (by several orders of magnitude), your future with PMQ is painfully obvious. And common sense has plenty to do with the future. Yes it's maleable, but if I show up to an NFL recruiter's office with a broken leg, zero experience, and start shooting my mouth off like I'm the next God's Gift, common sense tells me they're going to throw me out on my ass. You're talking about the future like it's a lottery machine, and if you just keep hoping, you'll get lucky. That isn't how it works. What you want takes amazing talent, skill, connections, an understanding of the industry, and YEARS of hard work and yes, some luck. Currently, you have none of those, so common sense is all I need to see PMQ's future in the professional sector.
Dream all you like, but with what you've shown us here, all PMQ will ever be is just that: a dream.
EDIT- I mean, I know you've posted production threads for at least three or four of these games. Have you ever completed ONE? A full game, start to finish, edited it, distributed it, gotten any reviews from indie game review sites? anything? If yes, link to them, and I'll back off a bit. Otherwise you're just hot air and bullshit.
EDIT2- also, go back and read your quote. "Common sense doesn't have a damn thing to do with future because things change." How stupid are you? You think common sense, rational thought, and logical thinking doesn't affect the future? Like you just don't need those things? That they aren't important? The reason why Squeenix will never in a million years even acknowledge your abortion of a game's existence is BECAUSE of common sense. Any fool could look at what you've produced and see it's going to flop based on common sense. The fact that you can't proves you don't have any. Have fun failing over and over and over again and not learning anything from it.
Quote from: icey games on Mon 11/10/2010 02:28:02
Common sense doesn't have a damn thing to do with the future because things change.
OMFG YOU USED CORRECT PUNCTUATION, GRAMMAR AND SPELLING! :o
Quote from: Emperor Justin on Mon 11/10/2010 02:34:53
Quote from: icey games on Mon 11/10/2010 02:28:02
Common sense doesn't have a damn thing to do with the future because things change.
And unless your level of skill, intelligence, talent, and maturity change drastically (by several orders of magnitude), your future with PMQ is painfully obvious. And common sense has plenty to do with the future. Yes it's maleable, but if I show up to an NFL recruiter's office with a broken leg, zero experience, and start shooting my mouth off like I'm the next God's Gift, common sense tells me they're going to throw me out on my ass. You're talking about the future like it's a lottery machine, and if you just keep hoping, you'll get lucky. That isn't how it works. What you want takes amazing talent, skill, connections, an understanding of the industry, and YEARS of hard work and yes, some luck. Currently, you have none of those, so common sense is all I need to see PMQ's future in the professional sector.
Dream all you like, but with what you've shown us here, all PMQ will ever be is just that: a dream.
EDIT- I mean, I know you've posted production threads for at least three or four of these games. Have you ever completed ONE? A full game, start to finish, edited it, distributed it, gotten any reviews from indie game review sites? anything? If yes, link to them, and I'll back off a bit. Otherwise you're just hot air and bullshit.
EDIT2- also, go back and read your quote. "Common sense doesn't have a damn thing to do with future because things change." How stupid are you? You think common sense, rational thought, and logical thinking doesn't affect the future? Like you just don't need those things? That they aren't important? The reason why Squeenix will never in a million years even acknowledge your abortion of a game's existence is BECAUSE of common sense. Any fool could look at what you've produced and see it's going to flop based on common sense. The fact that you can't proves you don't have any. Have fun failing over and over and over again and not learning anything from it.
Wow,I will say this to you. I am starting all over from the beginning with my games.The reason to this is cause I know a lot more of ags's code so I can try a bit hard to make a completed game.This game will start it all and the DLC will help even more...
So what you're saying is "No, I've never had the ability or endurance to complete a single one of my projects."
Man, if you can't even stick with it, why should anybody else?
EDIT- and I don't know how I missed this, but are you actually trying to draw some comparison between your work and Yoshitaka Amano's on the first page? Are you fucking kidding me? Your style compares as much to his as a pile of runny dog shit compares to a five course meal at a renowned restaurant. Get over yourself dude.
You don't need to start over with your games, you need to try an entirely new direction. Try making a game that has nothing to do with Final Fantasy or PMQ, or even JRPGs. Instead, make a game about something completely different, like the quest of a guy to get ready for a big date. A small game in which you can practice puzzle design and structure instead of trying to make an empty epic. If you can make an actual short, but complete, game that has nothing to do with your previous games or Square, then I won't think you are a total abomination and worthless parasite that has latched onto this community.
Quote from: ddq on Mon 11/10/2010 03:04:12
You don't need to start over with your games, you need to try an entirely new direction. Try making a game that has nothing to do with Final Fantasy or PMQ, or even JRPGs. Instead, make a game about something completely different, like the quest of a guy to get ready for a big date. A small game in which you can practice puzzle design and structure instead of trying to make an empty epic. If you can make an actual short, but complete, game that has nothing to do with your previous games or Square, then I won't think you are a total abomination and worthless parasite that has latched onto this community.
This. What little I know of PMQ is that it's a laughable, unoriginal steal from something better (Square's body of work). It shows no imagination or skill. Don't reboot it (especially since you've yet to actually make anything worth rebooting), trash it. It's junk. Start small. See if you can actually complete a small project before you try to take on some unwieldy faux-epic that has it's foundation built on ripped-off ideas and tropes. As ddq said, if you can do that, maybe you aren't a useless hack.
Quote from: Emperor Justin on Mon 11/10/2010 02:59:15
So what you're saying is "No, I've never had the ability or endurance to complete a single one of my projects."
Man, if you can't even stick with it, why should anybody else?
EDIT- and I don't know how I missed this, but are you actually trying to draw some comparison between your work and Yoshitaka Amano's on the first page? Are you fucking kidding me? Your style compares as much to his as a pile of runny dog shit compares to a five course meal at a renowned restaurant. Get over yourself dude.
No I didn't say nor mean it like that.I said I wanted to make game,but in the end it turned out to complex for me to work on alone.I do put my all into any game I work on but I may not notice that the idea was hard to make real then I thought.So with each new game I try a lot harder then I did on the last one to show myself I can do it.
And I have many games that are not about PMQ but still take place in the world of sepah just at different time periods.I will plain out each of these shorts and work on them after I am done with this,which is very soon.
All that still boils down to is "I've started many projects and completed none." Maybe you should actually, y'know, FINISH something before you start bragging about how it's going to be better than the other AGS games, or how it's going to get you in good with Square.
No because they were just little thoughts I had before but gave up on them.But now I know how to make them.so with this this mean "I never made them before so why not work on them."
Exactly. You gave up. You've never completed anything. And going as you have, you never will.
I understand the inclination of youth and big dreams. Shit, when I was in high school, I wanted my stories to get picked up by Random House and sell Harry Potter numbers of books. But before i even let myself dream that huge, I actually finished a book. I did research on literary agents, the submission process, writing query letters, and so on, and got used to the idea that I was going to fail. And fail I did. Over, and over, and over again. But at some point, I think I was in my early college years, the bland rejection letters started to have personal feedback. Like "Good concept, but the narrative seems disjointed" and so on.
Now, twelve years later, I still haven't published a book. But I've had some big names give me some very gratifying compliments, invitations to submit future work, and I've won several contests, and had a handful of short stories published here and across the pond, and online.
So there's nothing wrong with dreaming big, and having pie-in-the-sky aspirations, so long as you are willing to work towards them. You don't, or can't, appear to be able to do that work. you're rebooting a project that was never finished, blathering about DLCs and alternate stories in the same world and blah blah blah, and you haven't done anything. You're dreaming instead of working and it shows in the pisspoor quality of the meager scraps you do manage to produce.
Yeah but maybe your book was really good and it could have gotten published.Your just listing to people who telling you its good but not what they want I guess.Maybe there could have been that one person who would have really liked your book and would have published it.But you gave up and told yourself you failed but that is because you thought you wasn't getting any were but really you was getting a bit closer to getting your book published.
I may make game then give up on them but some day in my life I always go back in look over them and sometimes I get this jolt to remake it so it will work.PMQ.2 started right after the first pmq but both were bad.But on day I took my USB with me to micro center and plug in my usb and saved the game on one of the computers.I acted as I was looking at ps3 game to buy when a guy came out to the pc.He looked at it and started to play but seemed confused so I went over to help him out.As I showed him how to play we talk(I cant remember what but it was about the game)and he told me he thought it was good but we both agreed it needed some serious work.And now I have a clear view of how the game will work and look.
Quote from: icey games on Mon 11/10/2010 04:36:03
Yeah but maybe your book was really good and it could have gotten published.Your just listing to people who telling you its good but not what they want I guess.Maybe there could have been that one person who would have really liked your book and would have published it.But you gave up and told yourself you failed but that is because you thought you wasn't getting any were but really you was getting a bit closer to getting your book published.
I may make game then give up on them but some day in my life I always go back in look over them and sometimes I get this jolt to remake it so it will work.PMQ.2 started right after the first pmq but both were bad.But on day I took my USB with me to micro center and plug in my usb and saved the game on one of the computers.I acted as I was looking at ps3 game to buy when a guy came out to the pc.He looked at it and started to play but seemed confused so I went over to help him out.As I showed him how to play we talk(I cant remember what but it was about the game)and he told me he thought it was good but we both agreed it needed some serious work.And now I have a clear view of how the game will work and look.
There's a difference between giving up after not trying hard, and realizing that a project needs to be shelved and moving onto another one to improve your skills. I've written four complete manuscripts (this includes taking them through the editing process, writing a synopsis, query letter, etc) with the smallest being something like 200 some odd pages, and the longest being over 400. I submitted each manuscript to 30+ agents. If I wasn't getting any letters of interest by then, I shelved it. I still have them lying around, but there's no doubt that what I'm doing now is of higher quality. and if I'm honest with myself (and I am), what I was writing in high school really wasn't professional material. At it's best, I'd say it was on par with extremely well written fanfiction (which is to say it was still pretty bad, but it had a coherent plot, legible spelling and grammar, and other basic components). In retrospect, I'm really quite happy I didn't get those things published because looking back, they're rather embarassing.
The mentality that you should just "keep trying no matter what" is a horrible one to have. Because yes, there is the chance somebody will show interest. That still doesn't mean it's good. Unlike you, I do not simply throw up my hands and say "This is hard, i don't get it," and then begin a new project. I learn from my screw ups and carry them over into something new, instead of beating my head against the same pile of stale ideas over and over again. That's how people improve. You screw up, you fail, you fall short, you take what you learned and apply it to another project. You don't just stay put and keep tinkering with the same thing endlessly. that's crazy.
Several people in here have told you to try something new. You've replied "Well I have other stories in the same world."
No. Fuck that world. Try something NEW. something that has nothing to do with Square, or PMQ, or the world PMQ takes place in, or anything related to the characters you've made. NEW. Unrelated and original. force your brain to work on its own instead of piggybacking on the works of other, more talented people.
And as an aside, I find it really, really dumb that you went and took your game to a store or computer cafe and pretended it was just something you "found." That's incredibly lame. If it's yours, own up to it. I have written some supershitty piles of waste in my time, but they are MY piles of waste. I'm not going to go to Barnes & Noble with a copy of my book I printed off at Kinko's and read it in a chair and try to show it off to somebody. "Oh my I found this new book just lying here Mr. Stranger. what do you think of it?"
Own it dude.
Ok heres the thing the world of ff.12 is not just for that game but many other games that were made by team avalice.my games take place on a planet just in different area that is my site is called pubmembers because most of my game are linked to each other.
I had also said that when I make a game that I gave up on I go back laster and remake it to new.But also I have added what little I learned to the next game.
and I am not scared of showing my game.I just remembered that what happened was I had loaded the game but left it alone to go see how much little big planet was and thats when the game came in & started to play.
And your asking me to train my mind to come up with something new.that is something I/me can do for AGS.the fact is my game are just to complicated and I cant just com up with a simple adventure game because i dont how to.I said I will make new games that take place in senpah and now the"Before crystal compilation"
the 4 game are.
pub master quest.before crystal
Dawn of a Knight
ELECTUS viking god
Aero's [Lost palace]
all are just short adventure games.
No, I changed my mind. GO AWAY AND NEVER COME BACK. You no longer exist to me, you're Justin's problem now.
Do you really think i am gonna go somewhere cause you said it?I mean WTF do want me to do make a fricking online/FPS/rpg/side scrolling/adventure game?I did what you wanted,I made 3 new short games that have nothing to do with pmq or square enix.Now, Leave me be and let me think on where to start after this game so it will be good and I wont have to hear this shxt anymore.
I hear you, Icey.
The guys over here at my office have been watching you for sometime now.
If you don't know, I work for Square Enix as a production manager for the Final Fantasy team. We've been impressed with your talent and perseverance as an indiegame maker.
If you're interested, we would like to setup a meeting with you. We have a project in the works that may need someone of your skill and attention. I can't talk about this here since it's a public forum but if you call +1.310.846.0400 and ask for Mark Anderson. He'll arrange the transportation and flight to Los Angeles, address 6060 Center Dr Ste 100, plus expenses for your time.
Thank-you.
Square Enix
Like 1/3 of me thinks your with square.but the square member in me will trust you & try this tomorrow so 1/3 beats 3/3 for now
I wonder how fleshed out any of those games are. It sounds like you have a lot of very shallow ideas (largely based around somebody else's, namely, Square's) instead of a few good, original ones. And if you're telling me you can't create something, I'd say you have no business creating anything. I mean, if it were something really specific, yeah i get that. not everybody can write a good mystery, or wants to pen a fantasy, but if you ask me to write a long/short/epic horror story, or a horror story that has nothing at all to do with previous horror stories I've written, I can do that.
Saying that you can't write anything self-contained, that you can only create on the grand or epic scale, is a serious shortcoming and weakness, and show the immaturity of your ability. That, or your unwillingness to let go of what you have already cobbled together.
I know all about team Ivalice, how Vagrant Story, FF12, FF Tactics, Tactics Advance, and a few other bits all take place on the same planet. You using that as some excuse is just that: you're making an excuse. If you're honestly telling me that you cannot create anything outside of the one world you've made, then I'm telling you that you're never going to grow as a creator. You're never going to improve, or expand your creative horizons. you'll be in your forties wondering why nobody wants to play in the one world you've made.
Stephen King once wrote that sometimes you need to "Murder you darlings." What that means is that you may love an idea, adore it, weep over the thought of losing it, but sometimes it just isn't good. You need to let it go, let it die, and move on. Let's be honest, you're world, no matter what you call it, is not original. you've thrown in other intellectual properties like moogles and Gil, and called it your own setting. If you keep clinging to that, your "darling" then you're screwed.
But, if you can manage to let it go, even just for a little while, say a year or two, and do something totally unrelated, then maybe you've got half a chance.
EDIT- Icey, I may be (what I think is) brutally honest and harsh with you, but at least I will be honest. The third of you that thinks that is somebody from Square is wrong. If you really want to be the butt of an obvious forum troll, then go for it, but it's just somebody messing with you.
Heh, an obvious forum troll, I like that ;)
Icey, what irks me so about your projects is all this useless junk you try to include. You didn't mention an ESRB rating this time (which is a good thing and hopefully means that at least part of what we try to tell you gets through), but now it's DLC.
Seriously, what the hell? It only makes sense to call add-ons DLC if one didn't get the game online, right? How's that going to work? This is just another attempt at sounding professional, abandoning all sense in the process.
Also, I'm not sure how this is supposed to work on the technical side; you'd have to provide a different .exe; basically you'd have to create your own savegames so the .exe with added content can load the progress from the main game.
WHY WOULD YOU GO THROUGH ALL THAT TROUBLE?
You get mocked without end and still can't switch back a few gears and simply produce a normal, small game, without all the box art, DLC, mog.net, included hair gel for spikes and blueprints for a gunblade or whatever bs you come up with next that's supposed to make your game stand out when all it's going to stand out with again is the inanity of your in production-threads.
I like Icey threads. They make me lol out loud.
What the hell does "pub" in Pub Master Quest even mean anyway?
Bt
Quote from: Blackthorne on Mon 11/10/2010 14:22:21
What the hell does "pub" in Pub Master Quest even mean anyway?
Bt
It makes me think of the local pub... mmmm, beer...
Quest to become the master of the local pub? Now that'd be entertaining!
Oh,ok I see what you mean/think.You think I can only make one world for all of games,well your wrong.
1)pmq may have 20 titles but the main game has only XIII(because when I first made PMQ it was FF.XIII)and the others are just spin off's.
2)after PMQ.2 the 2 main characters go 20 years later in to the future.And thats when they find out that this new is called...I have thought of any names.
3)In my game not all of them take place in senpah.There is Fala senpah which is the lost world the was founded in pmq.2 and west senpah which is the world for some of the spin off's & also during pt 4 the world breaks into 2 but thats something else
The 3 games I listed do take place in senpah but there nothing like PMQ or each other.They each have different stories though explain more in the end on how they connect.
Thats like saying why is ff called final fantasy if there is like 50,I cant answer that but I can answer you,In the pmq games usally they revole around a pub some how and as your complete quest that the pub offers you progress in the game,once you complete all the quest then you become a master.Then you get one last master mission in the main games you will usaly have to get the shogin crystal in the last game but I may change my mind
Also, as someone who's actually studied any Japanese, I can tell you that while "Before Crystal" sounds pretty daft in English, 前に would be the wrong thing to use. In this case, because you've got both "Past" and "Crystal" as nouns, your title means "Crystal's Before" (i.e. the Before belonging to the Crystal). A word like 過去 would be more appropriate than 前に (Making it "The Crystal's Past" rather than "The Crystal's Before"), since 過去 refers to the past in a more suitable context, like bygone days, whereas what you're using...oh heck, who am I kidding. If it's a troll, he's probably intentionally botched, and if he really is real, he won't listen anyway.
:'(
Isn't a Pub Master someone who can drink 10 pints and not fall down?
Bt
Quote from: Technocrat on Mon 11/10/2010 15:05:16
Also, as someone who's actually studied any Japanese, I can tell you that while "Before Crystal" sounds pretty daft in English, 前に would be the wrong thing to use. In this case, because you've got both "Past" and "Crystal" as nouns, your title means "Crystal's Before" (i.e. the Before belonging to the Crystal). A word like 過去 would be more appropriate than 前に (Making it "The Crystal's Past" rather than "The Crystal's Before"), since 過去 refers to the past in a more suitable context, like bygone days, whereas what you're using...oh heck, who am I kidding. If it's a troll, he's probably intentionally botched, and if he really is real, he won't listen anyway.
:'(
Well, if he wanted to really butcher it, he could type it:
"ベフル キリャシタル "
or
"イシ ガメル - ブロケン プロミセ オフ ガメシ! "
Quote from: icey games on Mon 11/10/2010 06:56:23
...so 1/3 beats 3/3 for now
I'm not sure if this is more confusing than hilarious, but I love it all the same.
Hey Icey! Cool sword bro! Looking a bit lonely though?
(http://i35.tinypic.com/2d7wvmb.jpg)
Hahaha..but your right about one thing.I am being cloud this year for Halloween.
PLEASE POST A PICTURE.
humm,I guess it wouldn't hurt to post one.
What is the point in keeping this alive again, Darth? People feeding him are only taking the attention away from other games in production.
I will be editing or locking this at one point in the near future.
you no if you want you can lock it now cause i will show all 4 games together in a new topic later on like next mouth maybe?
All right I'm washing my hands of this rubbish. Gonna go peruse some real games.
No worries Snake ... I think this has run its course at this point.
** turns the key **