Cosmos Quest I-III - The games are removed by the author.

[david]

Why oh why is it removed? Do you think that there is not enough posts to be satisfied?  :o

hope to change your mind  8)

Great New Year I wish you full of satisfaction 

[cireja]

[Khris]

All the games can still be downloaded on the authors webpage.

[Iliya]

I will try to explain why I removed the games from the database.

Some of the developers here are trying to promote their games on other websites. Some are trying to get a review for their games from other good websites for adventure games. And with this AGS panel review there is no way someone to take you seriously.

My goal wasn't to insult the AGS community. As you can see on Cosmos Quest website, I still support AGS as great tool for creating a games. I just don't agree with AGS Panel. I tried to avoid definitions like "leaden pace", "bland characters", "lack of direction", "ponderous gameplay" for my game that came from one person. Actually, the definitions were the things that irritated me most, not so the cups.

Why I didn't send a PM to AGS panel before the deletion? I did't know who is in the AGS Panel. Now, due to the deletion, everybody knows who to contact. And I'm glad that there is a movement in that subject (the official information thread about reviewing the games).

[Calin Leafshade]

So essentially it WAS just to avoid a bad review?

[Iliya]

So essentially it WAS just to avoid a bad review?

Not "bad review" - "insulting review".

[Calin Leafshade]

well they werent insulting you were they?

If the characters are bland you say they are bland.

Reviews arent constructive criticism for the dev they are information for the public.

[Iliya]

well they werent insulting you were they?
If the characters are bland you say they are bland.
Reviews arent constructive criticism for the dev they are information for the public.

A single person can't be objective. If I had to make a review for a game that I don't like, I'll never use these definitions. If these definitions are coming from many reviewers, I'll accept them.

[ddq]

I literally cannot believe what I'm reading. Therefore, I will stop. Someone message me when this all blows over.

[Calin Leafshade]

if a single person cant be objective then neither can a group of people.. you just get an amalgamation of lots of subjective views.

But frankly thats rubbish anyway. A single person CAN be objective and follow a criteria.

but even if that WERE the case its still incredibly bad form to silence a negative review.

I have no more to say on the subject

[Dualnames]

Apart from Calin there's no one else that can be in Harg's shoes, and I think Cal, you're showing a little bit of hatred (and/or similar feeling) towards Harg, for no apparent reason. I think it'd be best if we all just settle down on this, and let thing go on their way. That's all. I think Andail has taken a really nice step towards that direction.

[Iliya]

A single person CAN be objective and follow a criteria.

Calin, are there criteria for a good music, or criteria for a good painting? Some will say its good, some will say its bad. But a single guy to decide what will be written on your game page from the name of AGS Panel... it sounds unfair.

[roll]

Harg, you know what?















































Радвам се да видя Българин в този форум. 

[Crimson Wizard]

Радвам се да видя Българин в този форум.  

== "Good to see Bulgarian on this forum?"  :

Erm, sorry of oftopic.

[Macay]

A single person CAN be objective and follow a criteria.

Calin, is there a criteria for a good music, or criteria for a good painting? Some will say its good, some will say its bad. But a single guy to decide what will be written on your game page from the name of AGS Panel... it sounds unfair.

A criteria is hard to apply to any creative work, but it can be applied to the technical areas of a creative work, and games have a heap of technical areas. I assume the AGS Panel have played a rather impressive number of adventure games in their time here and otherwise, as such they would have the experience necessary to be viable critics. The removal of the game due to a bad review is discourteous, and doing it due to finding the review insulting is pompous, getting insulted is by all means completely useless and all your fault, you can only insult yourself, blaming others for your own emotions is bad form. The negative review might have cost you some customers but independent adventure games are rarely something you can live off of, or make any serious money from. The market is not all there and as such the creation of these sort of things are more from passion than pay day. As such, the removal might put a dent in your reputation which in the future might prove to be a bad financial move.

Do you disagree?

[Iliya]

A criteria is hard to apply to any creative work, but it can be applied to the technical areas of a creative work, and games have a heap of technical areas.

I absolutely agree with that! I think that AGS panel should only comment the technical areas, and shouldn't decide what is bland and what is not!

[markbilly]

A review is an opinion of one person, yes. That's why many reviews should be read before making a judgement. But if one person writing a review thinks your characters are bland, and unless they are being malicious (which I cannot believe anyone here would be) then maybe they are a little bland.

That's nothing to go deleting things over, just bear it in mind for your next project...

If only technical areas are commented on, then the art is forgotten. Far more so than if someone calls some characters bland.

[Snarky]

The singular of "criteria" is "criterion". A criterion, multiple criteria. Never "a criteria".

That's all I have to say about this discussion.

[Iliya]

The singular of "criteria" is "criterion". A criterion, multiple criteria. Never "a criteria".
That's all I have to say about this discussion.

Snarky, which one is correct "Не ми се яде сирене" or "Сирене не ми се яде"?

[Snarky]

I wasn't having a go at you, if that's what you're getting at. I know English isn't your first language. You weren't the one misusing "criteria", anyway.

Since I derailed the discussion, I guess I'll do my bit to get it back on track:

You have every right to decide how best to promote your game, of course. But taking out the download links from the games db isn't going to make the review go away, and (as you can see) gives a lot of people the impression that you're just throwing a tantrum. So it's probably counter-productive. Even if it grates, the best thing would probably have been to grit your teeth and post a polite response/rebuttal on the games page.

For example, when I posted critical feedback on the page for A Second Face, Le Woltaire responded with a quite gracious message. I think that kind of thing makes people who read it put less weight on the negative comments.