Adventure Game Studio

Ladies and gentlemen... it is time...

I proudly announce that, after more than two years of discontinuous development, 'Garfield: Attack of the mutant lasagna' is ready to be downloaded.

You can do it here (http://www.masterfxgames.com/Garfield/garfinst.exe) and you can read about it here (http://www.masterfxgames.com/Garfield/garfield.htm).
The file weights 6.11 Mb. Thanks a lot to Joseph DiPerla for hosting the file and the website.

The link has been tested, downloaded and installed again to see if it's working properly... and it's not!!! No, just joking. Everything worked fine for me.

Some screenshots, they're from the old version but they're almost the same as in the final version:
Please download it and tell me what you think of it.

/me starts teh download immediately!

/me dittos Gilbot

Garfield is my second favourite comics charater, I hope this game is at the level of the comics, and has much of the same humour.

OMFG! WTFG! its finished! yey ^_^

i jus gotta wait till i get home to play *sighs* only five and a half more hours....

-OSC-unplugged

 *downloading...

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Well, it's cool game, but I'm stuck already! :(

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How am I going to get Jon awake or deactivate mousetrap?

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Oooooh, I'm downloading it as we .... as I type! ^_^ Can't wait! Well, I can I suppose...


By the way, has anyone seen this? -
http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=garfield_sucks (http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=garfield_sucks)

I'm a Garfield fan but... I just love this comic to death :) No matter how many times I look at it, it still almost brings tears to my eyes.


Did you draw EACH individual leaf on those trees or did you just use some sort of clever duplification tool?

Wooooooooooooooooooooo! Downloading as soon as possible!1

I played it a little, and it's great so far!/Apart from the music, which is not very good/
Im reviewing this in the next ezine!

 ;D ;D ;D

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Yay coolness, Garfield's here! I played the demo a long time ago and have been waiting for it ever since! I'm downloading it now, should take... a while, stoopid 56k.

Thanks guys for downloading it. I'm glad you liked it so far.

Vel: Yeah, the music sucks, but it's mine... it's all mine!!! :D They're my first attempts in making music so please, have some consideration. :)

Wormmaster:

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You'll need to wake Jon up in a wet way...

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Kinoko: That comic stripe was a funny parody. I know Garfield strips have been a little too repetitive lately, but I don't think it's easy to find all-new jokes for a three frames strip every day. I think 28 years is more than enough to any strip character, I am a big fan of Garfield, too, but the guy who wrote that article is definitely right about what he says of all the merchandising around the cat.
And I didn't draw all the leaves one by one, I just draw eight or something like that and then used a tool that paints using the images you choose. I don't know what's the name of that tool in photoshop (I use PhotoPaint), but  in PaintShop PRO it's called 'picture tube'.

Lazy Z: Don't worry about your 56k connection, my connection is the same and I could upload it. :)

I'm downloading it right now.
I'll post here saying what I think about it as soon as I manage to play it. (which will take some time, though)
/me does the math
It's 6.11Mb...
I'm on a 56k modem...
And I'm just getting 30k, ATM...
I get disconnected every 2 minutes or less...

Oh, well, hope I finish downloading it this year :-\

I'm enjoying this game! Nice job!  Although some of the course language seems out of place in a Garfield game.   I have a problem though:

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What do I do once the first muntant jumps out in the kitchen

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Thanx for helping me! :D
But I'm stuck again!!! :(

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I'm needed to make some lasagna to that old cat. I think I'm needed to get in the market. How am I going in the market?

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Cool game!!!

I woke Jon up, talked to Odie and went to the kitchen... what now?

Quote from: Inkoddi on Wed 03/03/2004 15:53:53
I woke Jon up, talked to Odie and went to the kitchen... what now?

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kick Odie

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And for the game: This is wonderful. You included so many animations for every action, so much effort :)

Where do I find the key to the fridge????

tv tom: look the blackbird's post.

question: how to pick up the hat? i have the glue but "it's not the good time to use it"

For those of you who need the hat, read below.

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Get some hair out of Garfield's bed.  Climb the tree over the bench and use the hair on the man.  He'll sneeze and lose his hat.  When he gets up, use the glue on the bench.  He'll sit back down and get stuck.  Go back and get some more cat hair and use it on him again.  The same thing will happen again, but he is stuck and can't move.

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thanx!
I notice somebugs: sometimes, Garfield is stuck (in the supermarket, in the park)

Maybe I'm a complete idiot but I can't even get past the first puzzle.  I find it difficult sometimes to move to the bottom of the screen because then the verb menu pops up, so maybe there's an area that I haven't been to yet.

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I can't wake jon up.  I figured out that I need to drench him with water, but I can't turn on the tap in the bathtub and I can't reach any of the other ones.  Do I need to deactivate the mousetrap first?

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findanother sourceof "water"...look Odie

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Quote from: Totoro on Wed 03/03/2004 16:07:08

Quote from: Inkoddi on Wed 03/03/2004 15:53:53
I woke Jon up, talked to Odie and went to the kitchen... what now?

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kick Odie

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And for the game: This is wonderful. You included so many animations for every action, so much effort :)

but but... Odie disappeared!!! he is gone! THERE IS NO FRIGGIN ODIE ANYWHERE!!!!! must be a bug... I'll replay it from the start. sigh

Noooo don't restart!

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think that the kitchen-and also the main room- is bigger than 1 screen....try to walk to the left edge

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Yes, I think there are some rooms that are a little hard to get to. I should've found a way to make it clearer but couldn't think of any. The living-room, where you start, has four rooms, one has Garfield's bed, the other has doors and the mouse-trap, the other is where the TV is and the last is where the phone and the main door are. The kitchen is also a tricky one because if you go to your left you will get to the dining-room. The park rooms also have exits to the south.

I think there are no other tricky places, but just in case check all possible ways to get out of the room you are. To get out through the bottom of the screen (if possible) you could just click when the mouse is over the status bar (while being in walk mode). Only the two lowest pixels of the screen make the gui pop up so you shouldn't have much trouble with it.

I'm sorry if you found bugs where Garfield gets stuck. When I played it several times before releasing it I couldn't find any place where it happened, but, you know, perfect debugging is impossible. Try to save often just in case.

So it took less than a year...
What would be of me (and my damn dial-up connection) without those download managers? ;D

Kairus:
I'm really enjoying the game, although I'm stuck already... :-\

Just a few things I think I should tell you:
- I found what seems to be a bug. I received an error message while playing the game. If I remember it right, it happened when I tried to "Pick up" the door in the kitchen that leads 'outside'. Maybe you should check that out. ;)
The error is about a DisplayMessage with "Invalid message number to display" at Room 13 script line 222 (well, at least it's not 666 ;D ).
If you need more info just tell me and I'll try to upload a screenshot of the error message ;)
(I would have uploaded it already if only I could ACCESS my $@*&!#% freeweb account :( )

- This is not exactly a bug, but anyway:
When you're ON the table (in the kitchen - after climbing the chair) and use the action button on the table, Garfield says: "It's too high to climb just from here"
Well, you ARE THERE already.
Of course, nothing that a few 'hotspots' and 'if statements' won't do.
As RickJ would say: "It's just a SMOP!" (Small Matter Of Programming) ;D

Well, that's it.
I'll try to solve the puzzles which made me get stucked (sp?)
I "unintentionally" read the solution for them in some spoilers here ::)
Hope you manage to fix that bug I mentioned.


-Felipe-

EDIT: I'm sorry - I wrote this in NotePad and didn't realise the number of 'smilies' I was using...
Maybe I shoud see a doctor... I'm so addicted to those lil' faces! ;D

Stuck again! :(

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How do I get money?

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Kairus:

This game is pretty fun!  But, alas, I think I've discovered a nastly glitch.

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I picked a flower from Jon's garden to give to Arlene.  Well, for some reason, when I try to go to Arelene or any other place on the map Garfield automatically gets stuck and can't move.  Is there anyway to work around this?

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I am really enjoying this game and still playing.

I have experienced Garfield getting stuck in several screens. The one thing that I tried which helped was going back into Winsetup and changing to "playing in a window".   This really helped.     But now,  I have had a couple of fatal script errors that made the game crash..... but I can tolerate this.

Tip for Wormmaster about money:

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After learning you cannot leave market without paying,  go back to house.   There is source of money in bathroom

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I have a theory: the game begins to bug since you something to a cat...so just collect all the items and go to see each cat

No matter what I do I keep getting stuck in the supermarket

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I can manage to pick up all of the ingredients in the supermarket for the lasagna, but then when I am almost to the cash register to pay, Garfield gets stuck.

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Does anyone have any suggestions other than restarting the game from the beginning?

For all of you who got stuck somewhere, I can only say it's very strange because when I played it, several times, it didn't got stuck in any place no matter how weirdly I moved around the screen or how many times I got to a screen. I really don't know what may be happening to you.

But I also write this to inform you that I have removed the game from the web site as PAWS Inc. told me it's a copyright infringement (yes, they sent me an email).

All I can say is I'm very sorry, I really didn't want to remove it, two years of working for just a few days of it published... :( And I can't even fix the possible bugs there are...

At least I'm glad some people liked it. :)

I'm sorry to hear that. :'(

It's too bad that you don't get to share this game with more people, as I've really enjoyed playing it so far.

Too bad  >:(

Kairus, I know you had spent much effort on it, hopefully you will make another great game later.

    This is terrible news that you are having to remove the game for downloading.       I do not know much about the creation of characters,  but could you get around copywright laws by doing some minor surgery on Garfield such as making him skinny,  removing eyelids, or giving him a bob-tail or something?   Also,  change character names by a few letters?    The game is very good and has a good plot, animations and text....  and this is well demonstrated in the two years of work that it took in the making.

    Sure glad that I downloaded when I did!  However,  I am stuck on getting Garfield to Jon's parents house.   Any tips/hints would be appreciated.

Quote from: Kairus on Fri 05/03/2004 01:50:24
But I also write this to inform you that I have removed the game from the web site as PAWS Inc. told me it's a copyright infringement (yes, they sent me an email).

Man that's... too bad!

I'm feeling so happy for having downloaded it before you took it off ::)

Just a small question:
How did PAWS Inc. find out about this game?
Has anyone told them...?

/me draws his weapons

I am very sorry to hear that you had to remove your game! After all the work you put into it too.   But, I guess paws inc. has a right to do that.  

Well, I enjoyed your game Kairus! Well done!  :)

NOOO! I didn't get in time. And I waited for so long...  :(

You might want to look into the exact details of the copyright(s) they believe you're infringing. I don't see how, with the proper warnings in the game and on the webpage as to the ownership of the characters, they can still think you're hurting their intellectual property.

Also, I'm pretty certain it'd be hard for them to take any kind of action on somebody in Uruguay.

I don't want to get you in a big mess or anything, but I'm pretty certain these companies threaten a lot more than they can actually do.

My puny life has been injected with new hope...  :)

Ooh! February MAGS entries! *trots off*

mhhhh...maybe, you could remake your game: change the names/design of the characters...nobody can sue you for using a fat cat.  ;)

the owners of the actual version (like me) could try to finish the game, report bugs...

Thus, you could improve your game....and change the names/design of the characters...nobody can sue you for using a fat cat.  ;)

......................

Anyways, I want to finish the game:

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I'm completly stuck with Norman/the mutants that are playing with the ball...and the road...Did I missed something?

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Stuck AGAIN!!! :(
Too bad game!!! >:(

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I need a recipe before I can take mozzarella and other things from shop! Where am I going to get a recipe?

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Well, I can help... :)
I could upload this game to my site... :D
What do you think? ;)

wormmaster,

you may want to take a box from a shelf in the store and look at it

wormmaster:

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take a box near to the flour...at the extreme left screen

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GOT IT!!! >:(
I hate that game!!! >:(
Because Garfield always gets stuck!
I might put it to my site, but I don't want to play it anymore!
I'm so disappointed!

can somebody help me? i don't know what to do with the mutants playing with wool. and what to do with the terminal? where do de pipes must lead to?

kairus/wormmaster:

maybe if you add the script in the rooms' repeatedly_execute:

if (GetWalkableAreaAt(player.x,player.y)<=0) MoveToWalkableArea(GetPlayerCharacter());

Garfield won't be stuck all the times (this script was proposed to solve the same problem in a Zor's game....I don't know if it works).

luutje :

Do you know what to do with the cotton ball?  ???

nope:

no, i dont't know what to do with it. i already tried it to switch it with the purple wool. but don't work.

I'm having some major problems with Garfield getting stuck - thankfully I've saved so I don't have to keep restarting - but it's very aggravating!  :-\
First stick was just after I gave the flower. 2nd time I didn't do that just gave lasagne - got stuck! 3rd time didn't do that went to park and got stuck by Nermal. 4th time didn't do that went to tv station - guess what? Got stuck!  >:(
So can anyone give me any help? Oh and regarding this;

Quotemaybe if you add the script in the rooms' repeatedly_execute:

if (GetWalkableAreaAt(player.x,player.y)<=0) MoveToWalkableArea(GetPlayerCharacter());

Garfield won't be stuck all the times (this script was proposed to solve the same problem in a Zor's game....I don't know if it works).

I don't understand what it means - and wouldn't have the faintest idea of how to do it - so you'd have to explain it really simply!  ::)

Hmmm... so you do not have the right to use their product... but it's from a fan, for christ sake! The game is pretty cool, and I uploaded the install file to my server.... but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post the link, Kairus...

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Hmmm... so you do not have the right to use their product... but it's from a fan, for christ sake! The game is pretty cool, and I uploaded the install file to my server.... but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post the link, Kairus...

Hmmm, so you get rid of all your pirate software but don't mind THIS copyright violation? Oh, and you used the Lord's name in vain...  ::)

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Quote from: Minimi on Fri 05/03/2004 19:35:59
Hmmm... so you do not have the right to use their product... but it's from a fan, for christ sake! The game is pretty cool, and I uploaded the install file to my server.... but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post the link, Kairus...

Hmmm, so you get rid of all your pirate software but don't mind THIS copyright violation? Oh, and you used the Lord's name in vain...  ::)

aww, man, I expected such a comment, about the "christ sake" part... but cmon... now stop trying to judge me on every little thing. And bytheway, he didn't made any copyright violation. He made is as freeware/fanware, and that's allowed by the law. It's just that the creator himself, does not want it, so that makes it not very kind to keep it online, but definatley not ILLEGAL!

This is a very good game...sory about what happened.  Nobody should be attacking with bad comments!

Now......for those of us who do have it, it would be nice to be able to finish the game.  So far it doesn't appear that anyone has come up with the solution to getting the ball of yarn from the mutants or being able to find a replacement somewhere else.

If anyone has the answer to this I know there are a lot of people that could have their frustration reduced by knowing.  Please????

This may come in handy in situations such as this:

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/

That is Title 17 of the United States code.  It goes into detail on copyrights and infringment.  I don't think it covers amature adventure games,  but it is interesting to read none the less.  

Are you sure it came from the PAWS people, and not someone who is just playing a cruel joke by spoofing the e-mail address?

Kidiri:  I suggested to rebuild the game with this little add. It should move the character if he is (position x/y) outside of a walkable area.

Anyways, I think that there's something wrong with the cats/alley: all the bugs began after entering in the alley.

Minimi/SSH/...: maybe, they try to control the production of games because they're thinking to sell some games based on the movie.

I quite afraid about the AGS projects Sam and Max and Indiana Jones...

Lucas Arts doesn't want to make new adventure games...but they will also try to destroy any amateur effort (and the "Fan/amateur game" trick won't be a good defense)

yep, Meow is right: could you please copy the "PAWS" email here? I'm little curious about what they say about the game.

To get to mother's house, first step is: use blanket with grate in alley, then ...

Is the sticking problem because I went to the alleyway with both the lasagne and the flower?
If so maybe I need to restart the game and go to each cat seperately?  :-\
Following a suggestion on hints and tips I did manage to give the flower away but I really can't do anything else because of this sticky problem! Believe me I've tried - I've also reduced the game to playing in a window - still stickyness though  :(

Look, guys, I really don't know what happens to you. In my computer it hadn't ever gotten stuck. I played it again yesterday too see if it happened to me, but nothing. I don't understand it! No way to solve it now, as I don't think I'll be uploading it again.

It's my fault, alright? I admit it. Before publishing the game I was worried about what could happen and I asked a lawyer who told me to just upload the game and inform them. Not asking for permission, just letting them now. Yeah, bad mistake, I know. I should've just uploaded it and waited until they found out for themselves (probably never) to remove it. That's what everyone else did... I wanted to do it in a more 'legal' way, but it's impossible.

Now it's done and there's no way back. :( I just didn't think they would react that fast, I thought perhaps they would just ignore it or something, maybe they didn't even read those kind of mails, yeah, I'm an idiot. I have asked another lawyer now and she didn't give me much hope, only trying to negociate. But I don't think there's much to negotiate about as this game has absolutely no commercial value.

Changing the game so it doesn't infringe the copyrights would mean spending a lot more time remaking the sprites, something I won't do. Just changing the names wouldn't be enough, not to mention that it's something I don't want to do, because my primary reason for making this game was seeing Garfield in a real adventure game (what will never happen, as it seems). So I think the project ends here. Maybe I'll learn this time. :(

That's all, I'm an idiot.

I feel better now...

And for those of you who are stuck with the ball of yarn puzzle, just forget the mutants playing, ok? That one won't help.

Why not just keep it on the site..but not make it directly accessable?

So when people go to your site, they don't see a link to your game..but
if they alter the link a bit to something like:

www.someplace.com/monkey.zip

Then they will be able to enjoy your fruits of labor..

Yeah, and then the guys at PAWS would really have a reason to sue me. They have told me not to do it once, I don't think they'll be that nice next time.

pssssst. your link doesn't work.  ;D

:P...I suppose, if you think they would waste further time tearing down your site...or perhaps someone thought you were the creater of monkey quest and then reported you to PAWS.

Don't worry Surge, I'm working on that.  ;)

I hate anything that smacks of injustice and it's not like you were doing the game for cash.

So I wrote an email of complaint and sent it to everyone that I could on their website!
Their games incidentally are rubbish by comparison.

I hope that it helps!  :-\

Have you even thinked about my suggestion?
I CAN upload it to my site, so someones, who wasn't fast enough, can download it...

So...
Think about it.

Ask Butcher ( or I think it was him ), what he did when he got the letter from the maker of the original Hugo house of horrors, because he made a remake...
Man it's really too bad that it ain't on the site, but you know that AGS has now a DC++ (for sharing) channel....  ;D >hint hint<

Good thing i downloaded it the first day  8)

Oh yeah, btw my Icq is displayed, so if anybody wants to contact me about ANYTHING, feel free  ;)

I'm very sorry to hear that you had to take your game down.  You did a lot of hard work and you have to be really disappointed.  
Czar is right.  The same thing happened to Spyros's "Hugo's House of Horror Remake." (HHH Remake (http://atticwindow.adventuredevelopers.com/gac.php?cmd=showGame&id=8).)  I think for awhile he gave the game out privately if someone sent him an email and requested it but I don't know if he does that now.  Maybe you could consider doing something like that.
This is really a great game but I, too, am having problems with the walkable areas.  I'm going to try to figure out a way around them but it would be great if you could find a way to fix the little stuff like that and redistribute the game.  There's a way out there for redistribution, I'm sure of it but you may have to do a little sneaking to get around it.  You didn't do anything illegal, I assure you, and you were trying to do the honorable thing by telling PAWS.  They shouldn't have reacted the way they did.  
What did they say to you anyway?  Do you still have the email?  If you do, I'd like to read it and I think a few others have mentioned they would too.  It'd be great if you could post it.  Maybe that way we can help you figure out the best way to fool the experts.  ;)

Yes, this whole-business is a shame - supposedly, fan-games are automatically free from this nonsense, because they exist for non-profit reasons, and they've been a labour of love - like Night of the Hermit. In fact, if this were an issue, many great games out there wouldn't exist at all.

Anyway, let me tell you, great work on the game! (Although, whatever possessed you to add the Pipes puzzle??? Wonderful scripting, though) It's well worth fighting for.  The only flaw is that hateful-bug-you-can't-reproduce, but apart from that... well, let's just say you've got Garfield's spirit perfectly. It's there! That's Garfield!

Kairus:

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I got the flower to Airine, now I can't get the stuff for the other 2 cats. I got the hat, but can't enter the store. What do I do next?

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Ok, Czar gave me this idea. It doesn't sound too coherent but maybe it's something I should've stated in the readme file or something.

In this game Garfield does not walk by default, that it, if you are not in Walk mode the cat will probably not move to most of the hotspots. He will only walk to the places that are useful. For example, in Action mode, if you click on a door he will probably go and open the door without you telling him to move towards it, but if you click on something that hasn't been assigned an action he won't move. Now, Czar told me he didn't realized that he had to be in walk mode to walk and then he thought he had the same effect about Garfield getting stuck everywhere, until he found out he only had to set to walk mode again and everything would work fine. Are you sure isn't it this what's happening to you?

There are several ways to switch to walk mode, press 'w', press escape, click the right button of your mouse or select "walk to" from the verbs gui. Please try that out and if still doesn't work, try switching to action mode while Garfield is stuck and then open a door or something. If Garfield is really in a non-walkable area then the door would open without Garfield getting to it. Otherwise, he will walk to the door and open it.

I would also like to know if absolutely everyone is having this problem, I can't believe it's only my computer the one that can make this game work fine!!

Nostradamus:

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When you're outside the store, try to wear the hat (action mode then click on hat) and Garfield will tell you more or less what you need to make a disguise to enter the store.

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Here's something weird for you to think about -

In the late stages of the game

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(I only had to get the hat, and then I could go make the lasagna and the proceed to the TV station with all the other cats)

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I found myself stuck on the park, What happened was, I'd walk ANYWHERE and then, after he took a few steps, he'd freeze in a place. Always after the same amount of steps (I had saved my game. I'm sorry, I overwrote it, otherwise I'd give it to you). He'd keep animating, but no matter what I tried, he'd never walk. Yes, I tried setting the cursor mode to walk, and like I said, he animated. But he was stuck.
Also, if I tried to climb the tree at that point, the game would be waiting for Garfield to get close to the tree (this whether I had already moved or not). But since he'd stop moving after that SAME NUMBER OF STEPS, the game would hang, as it was STILL waiting for him to get close.

Other areas prone to this behaviour are outside the TV station, the barn and the alley. These are the areas that I remember as giving me the worst trouble.

hmm, too bad kairus. looks like you'll have to do some fixing, if not for us, then for yourself...

And what if there is and action/bug that triggers the number of steps that are to be walked before it freezes?

Kairus:

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Where exactly is the money for the shop?  I understand from previous hints that it should be in the bathroom but I can't reach anything in there!

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Look a little harder in Tom's clothes on the bathroom floor

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Nostradamus-

    A bit more to previous post of mine:   Tom will not be in the bathroom until you have had an unsuccessful attempt to leave the market with all the goods.   The guard tell you that you must have some "bucks"

I don't know if this'll help anyone else, but I thought I'd share in case it does.  
For a little while the game kept freezing up on my computer.  Things were just getting worse as time went by.  So I decided I'd try something and deleted all the files from the game I was currently battling with and reinstalled it from the original .exe file.  I didn't redownload or anything, just installed again from the same file as before.  And it worked.  I haven't had a freeze up with it at any of the places they kept happening before.  Now, this solution does mean you'd lose any progress you'd made, but I personally didn't think it was that hard to remember what I'd already done, and I've progressed a lot farther now because I can do things I couldn't before.  
It seems a little weird but it worked for me, maybe it'll work for some of you too.

How to find Jon's Mother and where to find the shoes?

autowil: you don't need shoes.
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I re-install the game and I managed to finish it without problems/bugs....Maybe, the problem starts with a interaction (likethe crash in the kitchen).

Anyways, it is a good game!  :D

Has anyone found out a specific interaction that makes the game crash? I have tried with all you have mentioned and it didn't happen on my computer.

I have sent another mail to PAWS asking for permission on sunday, I haven't received any reply yet. I hope I can fix this bug some day, but it won't be possible if I am not able to re-upload the game.

Kairus,

I don't know if it has anythiong to do with the game's problems but I had virus on my PC.  I had to reinstall after the game got infected.   Maybe some of the people who are having trouble  may want to reinstall the game and note any difference in file sizes.

Also I am stuck (in a puzzle sense) ao maybe you can help ...

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I have the hat, shirt, and trousers, but how do I get something to get taller?  

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I have sent another mail to PAWS asking for permission on sunday, I haven't received any reply yet. I hope I can fix this bug some day, but it won't be possible if I am not able to re-upload the game.

Here are a couple of ideas that may be helpful.  Probably you have thought of them already but in case you haven't ...

• Make clear to them that your only motivation was your admiration of Garfield & characters created by Mr. Davis and your desire to see same in a classic adventure game.  
  
  
• Ask Paws if they would like to offer your game  for download from their website instead of yours.  
  
  
• Offer to add Paws promotional material in startup and credits screen; including link to Paws website, etc...  
  
  
• Offer to modify copyright and credits information to meet their requirements, asking minimal credit for yourself as the game creator.
  
  
• Offer to assign game rights to Paws in return for free downloads.  Or alternatively offer to help them comercialize it and of course reap the financial rewards.  
  
  
• Ask them if they have a suggestion of what can be done that would be mutually acceptable.   After all the only thing you want is to share your  emjoyment of Mr. Davis' creations with your fellow fans.  Perhaps then can figure out a way to benefit from this enough to justify giving you  the permission you desire.  
  
  Anyway, I don't mean to be telling you what to do, just sharing some ideas that you may find helpful.  If you find any of them helpful please feel free to use them, if not then just ignore them.  
  
  I wish you good luck in dealing with Paws... Thanks for such a nice game.  It is very beautiful.
  
  Rick
  
  
  

kairus:

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go to the TV building: you will find what you need in the clown's dressing room

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I think it's some kind of bug that gives you only something about 2000 steps and then you won't walk anymore.
I just don't want to play the game from the beginning, because those cutscenes are toooo big and they can't be skipped.
It pisses me off!!!

weird...

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I was in the store, got all the ingredients and were told to get some bucks. Went back to the house BUT John was not in the bathroom!

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Anyone tell me how to go to Jon's Mother house?? I go to alley and use blanket on the grate, after that i stuck..

RickJ: Thanks, more or less those suggestions were included in the mail I sent them, I haven't received a reply yet I hope it comes soon, I don't know what I'm going to do if they don't reply.

Nostradamus:

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There's a rumour that Jon appears once you get a failed attempt at buying things but that's not true. Actually the event that triggers Jon going to the bathroom is going back to the vet once, have you done it?

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autowil: Your question has been answered here (http://www.agsforums.com/yabb/index.php?board=7;action=display;threadid=12278)

I read the post. but i dun have any cupboard stick.. Where can i find one??

I Can't download!
No such file found on the server!
I'm using GetRight.

Yvonne:
HELLOOO!!! DO YOU READ MESSAGES?! >:(
That stupid PAWS inc. has told Kairus to take this game out from his server! Next time, read some messages before you tell anything like that.
Sorry, my volume button was in loud. ;D

OK I went to the shop and returne home and got stuck with the infamous no-more-walking-bug, so I guess that's it for me with this game.

Kairus I just want to say that storywise, puzzlewise and graphicwise (just invented some new words!) the game was really great but the GUI was REALLY bad. It was annoying that you had to take the pointer down every time you want to do something and it was more annoying that if you wanted to walk down from a screen you'd have to fight the GUI so it won't block the way.

Nostradamus did you read the readme file? There's another way to switch between modes you don't need to get the cursor down to click a button all the time, there are keys that let you do that, generally the first character of the word, that is:

W for Walk mode
T for Talk mode
A for Action mode
and so on...

And I didn't realise the GUI was such a problem when trying to move to the south of the room, the GUI only pops up at position y >= 198, that is, only the two lowest pixels, you can go south of the room by clicking at 190 <= y < 198, like eight pixels above the GUI-popup. I really didn't think that was going to be that hard...

Kairus I knew about the keyboard options but that's just not comfortable. For me at least.
No offence ment, just my two cents as constructive criticism, OK?

Sorry to bring this back again, and sorry if someone did it before, but I want to ask something...

What about if AGSers make a webpage (h t t p://w w w.Fangames.c o m, for example) where all the games related with copyrighted stuff are uploaded?

I think they couldn't just close it, and they couldn't pursuit us, if we upload the game as "anonymous developers".

The webmaster could have a "neutral" name (FanGamesWebmaster @ hotmail.c o m)

That would ever avoid the necessity of being "anonymous developers", because we just make games, it is not our fault if somebody collects them and puts them in his webpage.

Is it possible? Or there is a way to discover who is the webmaster? Can the lawyers close an "anonymous" website?

You cannot have a proper, paid-for website under an anonymous name.  Free hosting like Geocities and Lycos would be the only way, but after 10 downloads it would get shut down because of bandwidth limits anyway :P

I've been told that you can... But apparently, the problem should be that if someone reports it, the server could close it for having copyrighted material...

Dammit!

2 years I've been waiting for this game.  2 YEARS! Since the first demo was released! And then I stop checking the board for a while and I missed it. Damned copyright infringement laws.

Bad luck Kairus. That's got to suck. Hope someone gets it available somehow, I really want to play it.

- Punch

Warning: Download from Minime's site contains a virus. Use at own risk.

couldbeit (http://12.22.230.41/MicroTech/Hosted/Games/couldbeit.zip)

OMG! Great!

What about a walkthrough?

Any hints please.................

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have made lasagna and given flower but can't find out how to make ball

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also  

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am on balcony and had a cutting time how do I get into house?

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Have you travelled to Jon's parents' house yet? The answers are all there. Once you get the cardboard leg your job in the balcony is done. You can't enter the building.

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how do you find jons house?  Tried everything I can think of

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Jane,

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The "cut-out" makes a good object to use to stop a car and hitch a ride to the country

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I've tried to get to the cars...............but the mutant dog won't let me pass...........I had presumed that I would have some soup to use to get rid of him............but obviously this isn't right..........HELPPP

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It's a dog, dogs like going and recovering things, there's something in your inventory that will help you. I'm sure there is because you must have already used it once.

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Thanks Kairus

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I can't work out what I'm supposed to do with puzzle at TV studio.............and do I have to do this before cats meet up.

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Thanks candle! :P

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Whee, finally got around playing it. Nice game! I love it! Especially animation is lovely. Music is crazy :P It's also the weakest part though and gets kinda annoying after a while. I liked the music more in the old demo, when it was midi.

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The crops started to walk in the intro and when the mutant lasagna attacked Jon in the beginning.

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Nice job :)

I copied Larien's idea - of reinstalling and so far so good - no walking stutter!
But I'm now stuck  :-[
I'm at the stream - I've tried the what seems to be the obvious way and of course that doesn't work! ;D I have

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a rope and I know that I'm meant to tie it onto a branch. But the 2 trees on the same side as me don't have any and the 3 on the other side - just have roots and the base.

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So how do I do it?  ???

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There are two streams.  The first one with the stones that you must cross over.   The second stream is the one to use a rope on.... the branch to tie to is fairly noticeable

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I've seen the stream by the lab and the one with the stones - where is the other one? ???

After you learn to "leap" across the stones..... the second stream is in the next screen

Pleassssssssse Anyone help me as I'm completely stuck  

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can't work out what I'm supposed to do with puzzle at TV studio.............and do I have to do this before cats meet up

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Yes,  you do need to complete the pipe puzzle.   Hard to do, but I tried to explain what I did to solve the puzzle in reply to tvcooper in the Hints/tips forum (page 3).      One thing that you may or may not have noticed is that you can "scroll" the grids in the puzzle.  

Hi!  Just downloaded this game using the link at the top of the page.  I noticed it didn't come with the uninstaller, though.  Is there anyway someone could send me that little file?  I'm not looking to uninstall the game, since I just started it, but I want to make sure I have all my bases covered.  :)

BTW, the game appears with my programs in the Start menu, but not in Add/Remove programs, so if me or anyone else needed to uninstall it for some reason, we would have to delete the folder.  But I like having the uninstaller for these purposes.

Sorry to sound so obsessed about an uninstaller.  It's a fun little game!

Uninstaller didn't come with it I don't think. sorry ..

A very appropriate issue - DEinstallation!
How do I uninstall, since an uninstaller is lacking.
The game is in my Program Files, which - to be frank- I don't like.
And after finishing it - what do I do to remove it?
Remove completely, I mean.

Eho-o-o-o, Kairus.
We haven't heard from you for a while.
Susan and Yvonne are right. What do we do?

Well, firstly I'll say what I came here to say. I -love- this game. It may not have the best graphics and may have a lot of bugs and glitches (according to what I've read here but I've encountered none myself so far), but it's just so, as someone put it... GARFIELD! It's the most fun I've had playing an AGS game in ages. The first game I've played in awhile that has actually been interesting, fun, entertaining and has made me want to keep playing as opposed to pushing myself to continue. Even though your english isn't perfect, the general dialogue is very Garfield-esque and as a Garfield fan, I'm very happy to see a tribute to him that captures his spirit ^_^

Now - in regards to that messy PAWS business, take it from me, they CAN'T stop you from offering this game on a webpage, especially with all the disclaimers you use. You aren't selling the game or making ANY profit on it whatsoever so they cannot tell you to take it down.

They can ask you, and they can get mad or whatever the hell they like, but they can't force you. You're not insulting them or slandering them in any way. You've made a non-profit fan game that only a relatively small amount of people will ever see, and it's because you LOVE Garfield. That PAWS did this, especially after you were kind enough to let them know about it, really pisses me off and they're in my bad books now.

If you want to respect their wishes, then that's fine but it's an incredible shame for such a great game and 2 years of work and expectations to go down the drain because PAWS decides to be anal and irrational.

My point being that legally they can't stop you from distributing the game for free. Just put it back on the website and don't tell them about it. I'm sure they won't check.

Or do tell them about it, if you're feeling bold because they can only ask you to take it down, not demand.

This is too good a game to fade into the shadows!

Quote from: rookworm3 on Sun 21/03/2004 08:46:33
Warning: Download from Minime's site contains a virus. Use at own risk.

LOL! I should still get rid of that freakin virus! :p Everytime I release a game, I have to make the exe file with AGS on another pc, to get it virusfree... LOL!!1!

Uninstallers .
http://www.snapfiles.com/downloadfind.php?action=s&st=uninstallers&search=Search

Don't worry about the uninstaller, just delete the folder where it is and the start menu folder, too. The installer was made with a self-extracting RAR so it doesn't mess with registry entries, that's why it's not in Add/Remove Programs. I made this self-extracting file with start menu shortcuts because I have friends that are... well.. quite lame at installing things so if I just gave them the self-extracting file they probably wouldn't be able to run the game after installing it. So.. remember... when you're tired of the game, just press 'delete' over the folder.

Kinoko: Thanks for you comments, I'm glad to see another great Garfield fun :D I wish I find and solve this strange bug one day, but I don't have a clue of why it's happening yet. You know I've sent another letter to PAWS Inc asking for permission and giving several (from my point of view) good reasons why I should upload it, but it's been like two weeks and no answer. That's why I'm a little hopeless right now... I have talked to a lawyer and she told me there's no way, if they don't give me permission, they can really sue me and send me to jail and all that.

oh, Oh, OH This game is really great better than I expected :D THe graphichs are superb for this reseloution and I loved all the refrences to certain Garfield comics.

Well afraid to say, its a terrific game but have sent it to recycle bin unfinished.  Have done everything that has been suggested but still keep getting sticky walk bug.  

Everytime I complete pipe puzzle I couldn't get out of room..............thought I had got it beat at one stage by re playing it and not giving ball to cat............yep I could get out of room - but guess what - as soon as I went back to park and gave ball to cat I froze again................really hope someone can sort this problem out.

Is there ANY way those of us who weren't quick enough but love Garfield can get it? E-mail distribution?

Yay! I've got it, I'm going to start playing now!

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What do you do when the lasagna attacks Jon?

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Do you have soup?
Use soup on mutant!

How do you get soup?

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Come on! I've talked to squeaky, who says he'll give me the key for cheese, I know WHERE the cheese is, but not how to deactivate the mouse trap. Please help!
Am i right in assuming that the soup's in the fridge?

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Jon has left the bedroom. Is there anything you couldn't do when he was sleeping that you can do now in his bedroom?

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I have the food from the fridge, now what?

It's okay I've

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Hi there,

I don't know if you are aware of this already, but there's a Garfield movie being made. Of course, it's no cartoon... nooo. Since this is the year 2004 there has to be a weird looking CG-Garfield.

There's the official site: http://www.garfieldmovie.com (http://www.garfieldmovie.com)

I don't like this. I don't like this at all.

What the...?! That's not fair, why couldn't they do it like Toy Story. Oh the humanity!

In regards to the Garfield stops walking bug in the game, it would apear that no matter what it is you are doing, you only get so many steps, knowing what to do would mean that you doeverything quicker than someone who didn't.

Why do they have to make THAT ugly thing the movie Garfield...SOB
[shadow=red,glow width, 2characters wide] IntentInsane cries his eyes out.[/shadow]

You are right, that CG cat is really awful.

Look I've tried playing the Garfield game again and going back and forth on every room and waste time walking and rewalking over the same rooms and looking to everything and all that and I didn't get the bug even once.

Maybe I should recompile it when a new version of AGS comes or ask for someone to compile it on another system (I use win98, maybe the bug only happens on later windows versions, I don't know...).

But, if PAWS doesn't let me upload it again, I don't think it will be possible. I'm sorry. :(

How do you

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Get to Jon's parent's house? I haven't got a cut out and am completely stuck. Also, how do you get the ball of wool off of the mutants?

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Hmmm, why don't your read the other posts in the thread? You asked two qyestions which I'm sure have already been answered.

No, only BITs of them have been answered.

Ok, then, here are the BITS that have been answered. I think they'll actually be enough.

Mutants -

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Kairus - And for those of you who are stuck with the ball of yarn puzzle, just forget the mutants playing, ok? That one won't help.

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And, the parent's house -

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PacificNil - To get to mother's house, first step is: use blanket with grate in alley, then ...



Kairus - Once you get the cardboard leg your job in the balcony is done.

Kairus - The "cut-out" makes a good object to use to stop a car and hitch a ride to the country.

Kairus - It's a dog, dogs like going and recovering things, there's something in your inventory that will help you. I'm sure there is because you must have already used it once.

And I'm sure I don't need to tell you what to cut the leg with.

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How EXACTLY do you get the ball of yarn. And what do you acyually DO with the leg?

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Mutants

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<sigh> Nevermind them, that ball isn't the solutiuon to the puzzle. Like Kairus said. And like I quoted.

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Parents

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Use it on the road... but you could have thought it up yourself after reading the "hitch a ride" bit, eh? Or, if it doesn't work on the road, use it on the tree, I disremember which...

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Okay, but WHERE DO YOU GET THE EFFING YARN!

Get to John's parents house first. Again, this is something you'd know if you'd read previous posts. My replies were to the "mutant" part of the question, just a slight nudge, saying you were barking up at the wrong tree.

And there's no need to shout, I can hear perfectly well.

OK, I'm stuck at the yarn problem too.

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I've got Arlene and Guido ready to meet me at the TV station, Jon's mother has the ingredients for the soup, and I have both a piece of string and the rope.
My guess is that I need to do something to the string to make it into a ball, but I have no idea how. The spinning machine won't accept it, Nermal won't take it, and Jon's mother won't turn it into a ball either. The clown at the TV show has balls (I thought maybe to steal one and then wrap the string around it), but I can't get at those either.

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Did you use cotton and have the switches set correctly on the spinning maching?

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Cotton? Hmm... (goes back to the game)

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try vet's supplies

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Already thought of that, but can't reach the cabinet, can't seem to do anything with the stool, and the stilts are already gone. Strangely enough, I can't even pick up the stool because "I can't reach it", even though I can easily climb it.
Damn, this is frustrating!

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It's been awhile since I played it,  but try Action on the stool.  Garfield will push it over.

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*slaps himself* MOVE! The one verb that was never necessary before, so my brain completely blocked it out.... thanks citymom.

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Hey Kairus, Just realised I haven't been back to comment since I downloaded the game. I have to say, nicely done. I haven't had time to get very far, but it's pretty cool. I reckon Odie's the best done character so far. I love his animations. Very nice.

The only 'bad' thing I've really noticed so far, and this is purely from the point of view of your game fitting in with the Garfield universe, is the occasional 'Goddamn it' kind of comment. The comics have always seemed inanely pure on this front, they tend to say 'Darn' a lot. I dunno, just something I noticed.

But nice work. I'm pleased you got it out. Maybe I should work on finishing my game one day  ;)

- Punch

Can we keep the hints into the hint forum... this place has been overrun with questions. I propose we keep this to the possible re-compiling the game, releasing the game under a pseudo-name, and comments on the game.

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/garfield1.jpg)

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/garfield2.jpg)

Cute, Scummbuddy :) Very cute. Great, now I have an uncontrollable need for playdo.

After talking with others, I realise my comments earlier about how Paws couldn't legally touch you were probably wrong. Apparently, companies CAN sue for this sort of thing, which is LUDICROUS! I had no idea they could sue for things like fan art. It's ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is that apparently you can get past the law by making your "fan" work satirical. If you can prove your work is satirical of the original, it's ok. If your work is in loving appreciation of the original, you can be sued. I'm going to make it one of my quiet ambitions in life to see that these laws are changed. I may not do the changing, but I sure hope to see it!

Once again, great game. It'd be a pity to change it but probably even moreso for noone else to be able to play it.

Satirical? Is that mocking?

Yep. Makes you think, don't it? I wonder if that's why LucasArts allowed Night of the Hermit to exist. Then again, I guess some companies are bigger dickheads than others, since Sierra allowed KQ1VGA and 2 to exist, not to mention my remake of Larry 2...

Couldn't we sign a petition, or something, like is being done for Sam&Max 2?

Summbuddy:
Those clay dolls are really wonderful! Did you make them? Excellent job! Now will you do a frame-by-frame animated clay version of the Attack of the mutant lasagna? ;)

Kinoko:
I'm aware they can sue me, I've talked to a lawyer whose specialization is about copyright and authorship matters. I don't think my work can be considered as 'satirical', it falls perfectly under the 'derivative work' label and you can't publish such work without the permission of the copyright owner.
I haven't had a reply from PAWS and it's been more like three weeks since I sent my second letter to them. Should I consider this as an implicit permission...?

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I'm going to make it one of my quiet ambitions in life to see that these laws are changed. I may not do the changing, but I sure hope to see it!

Yeah, let's start a revolution!!!
But later on some evil people will start making money about other one's work. I really wouldn't like it to happen if it was me who had invented the characters. But I'm just not making any money out of this, you know, I never expected to get any money. I knew this game would only be truly appreciated in these forums and places like it where people still loves adventure games. It can't be commercial.

redruM:
Is it worth trying to gather sings for a petition? I don't think PAWS will allow it if they can't get any money out of it. That's something I told them in my second letter. There's no way to make money out of this game, I used Sam and Max 2 as an example to support my point of view. I offered them to take my game as their own and upload it to their site with the changes that might me necessary. No reply... they won't reply... there's no hope...
Are you sure Lucas and Sierra have allowed those games to exist? Are you sure they are aware of their existence at all? Maybe they aren't.

QuoteIs it worth trying to gather sings for a petition? I don't think PAWS will allow it if they can't get any money out of it.

Sure it's worth it! They CAN and have the POWER to decide whether or not you can release your game, but surely someone in there must REALIZE that doesn't mean they have to USE it against a game made out of sheer love. Not to mention that it might increase their popularity, make other audiences aware of it. Just by requesting a link to be added to the readme, you'd be sponsoring them. I mean, look at me! I had NO idea PAWS inc even existed, I though Garfield was dead!

QuoteNo reply... they won't reply... there's no hope...

They've got a stick the size of Manhattan up their ass. Try flooding them with e-mails, once every two days. That works, sometimes. They may be dismissing you out of hand, but try e-mailing them repeatedly, sometimes with the same e-mail but with a sarcastic post-script.

QuoteAre you sure Lucas and Sierra have allowed those games to exist? Are you sure they are aware of their existence at all? Maybe they aren't.

I don't know about NOTH, nor about Larry 2... but I KNOW that Sierra has been aware of KQVGA for a long time. That's even something TIERRA mentioned in an OLD interview for the Inventory! And besides, really, how could they NOT know? It was the game of the year in all amateur adventure gaming communities, and it expanded to several abandonware sites!

My advice is, fight.

I just downloaded this game and spent a good 2 hours playing. I love this game. I loved Garfield as a kid, obsessed over the strip. I nearly peed myself when I saw the old cat from the pound. I've not finished the game yet, but I shall. A wonderful homage to the character, despite the rough language. It was a bit odd to see Garfield think the word 'damn'. Kicking Odie was a delight. I'm going to bed now, but I'm sure I'll be dreaming of the game. You did a good job.

Loved the message about scissors!

Yeah, I made all the characters from clay over my college spring break, im such a loser.  ;D

Kairus: Sierra are neglecting the VGA remakes, and lucas have already closed down two fan projects, and seeing as there are more to come, will most probably close down MI 1,5/ not that I hope so, Im just stating facts - they closed scurvyliver's project for using ripped graphics/.

Damn. And here I thought they were nice guys.

Well, here's the hard facts - any games that serve as hommage and are a labour of love must be distributed under the piracy label.

To hell with it, I say. I got MY copy of Garfield, and there's a link everyone can get to, and if that fails, KaZaa and EMule still exist. Thay can't stop us from making them, only openly distributing them. Big deal. It's not as if we wanted to sell them anyway.

My sister just came across the now infamous 'walking in place' bug. She was in the market trying to pay for goods. She had gone up to the counter, saved her game, and when she tried to walk, garfield was running in place. She did restart her game, and I asked her to save in a different slot, just in case the original save file would ever come in handy for something. Though that suggestion could have stemmed from my disliking of throwing anything out. THe instant you get rid of something, you find you need it after all.

I'm glad your labor of love has created such a delightful game, Kairus. It was worth waiting for, despite the bug. I now hate PAWS Inc., and shall no longer shell out cash for garfield related merchandise. While I still believe Jim Davis would have no objections to your game being shared with others,  it seems the money-hungry commercial beast that is corperation has blah blah rant rant piss moan groan...

Nice selection of background music, by the way. ;)

Hey, you've got a savegame?? Kairus, get it! See if you can replicate the problem now!

Yes, Bruised Weasel, please send me your saved games to kairus@adinet.com.uy Maybe I can find out something when it happens... Do you think you can do it?
Thanks.

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Kairus: Sierra are neglecting the VGA remakes, and lucas have already closed down two fan projects, and seeing as there are more to come, will most probably close down MI 1,5/ not that I hope so, Im just stating facts - they closed scurvyliver's project for using ripped graphics/.

We'll secretly spread it out before that happens, be sure to order your copy.  ;)

Kairus, I've sent you two save files. My sister's, which is saved right at the moment the bug takes effect, and my own, which was saved a little bit before the bug takes effect.

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I can't get the hat. I use the glue on the bench but when I come later with more cat hair, the man isn't stuck to the bench. Maybe an issue of timing?
Also, I got the mushrooms, but Garfield doesn't want to fill the bucket with water from all three streams. One is obviously contaminated with toxic waste, but what about the other two? Or maybe I need another container, and not the bucket?

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Hmm, I don't know about the first, it sounds like a bug... BUT!

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Heh, it's the contaminated water you need. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? I sure hope that woman NEVER invites ME for dinner!

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Thanks, Bruised Weasel. I have something to tell you all, ladies and gentlemen:

Last night, before I even knew Bruised Weasel had some possibly useful savegames to show me I started playing Garield for quite a while, and it happened. The bug came to me as it came to many of you. I've been tracking it since then and reduced the possible places where it happens, Bruised Weasel savegames seem to be corroborating my hypothesis.

The problem seems to happen only in rooms where there's a change of zoom level. That is, Garfield gets stuck somewhere in between a change from one zoom level to another one. I'm not sure why this happens and I think I will not be able to solve it. I posted another message with more information I could find (or infer) about the bug in the technical forums. I hope Chris can help me with this one, because I think it's a technical problem rather than a scripting one.

I'm glad I could help in my tiny, little, miniscule way.

See http://plnehry.idnes.cz/adventure/garfield.html

Could someone please translate that to English?

I agree.

Tomus: A review of my game in Czech!!! That's made my day :) I just hope it doesn't say the game sucks or something ;) Is that thing on the bottom of the page the score people have given to the game? Wow, it's pretty much :)
I know I told you I was going to send you the walkthrough soon, but I haven't had time yet to write it. Maybe if I announce it here I might push myself to do it one of these days so:

Coming soon: walkthrough + (hopefully) bug free version of the game

At least the getting stuck bug. If I have enough time I may also add the possibility to skip the cutscenes so you don't have to wait too much to get the progress you've gotten know.
And what about PAWS...? well.. I don't know, they haven't replied...

Pff... PAWS... pricks!

Sorry but... PRICKS!

Can't wait for the bug free version..............I gave up wth it 'cos no matter how many times I replayed it, I always ended up unable to get out of certain rooms, which was a shame 'cos its a brill game.

I regret it very much, but I was forced to delete the game as well without finishing it.
I restarted from the beginning several times praying that Garfield wouldn't get stuck again.
But finally he inevitably got stuck.
It's a great pity really.
Such bad luck for this game - PAWS, the numerous bugs...
And on the other hand - such indisputable high quality.
I am really very sorry!

 Wow, it really looks like you put a lot of time and effort in this game. I couldn't get the full version (all the links which were posted are dead) but I did manage to get the demo version. I hope it works out between you and PAWS. I read somewhere that the reason U.S. companies are so protective of intellectual property is that if they are aware of a copyright infringement, and they don't act on it, then they can lose their copyright. In Japan however copyright laws are much stronger, the copyright holder cannot lose it as easily, so fan-based non-profit projects are much more tolerated. (Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, so please don't take this in lieu of legal advice)

  Well, I think I've run through the demo, but I want to be sure so is there anything left to do after

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I have woke up Jon, kicked Odie, unleashed the lasagna mutant, got the key to the garden, got the stick, got the cat hair, got the blanket, got the shirts and pants, got the cheese and gave it to Squeak, got the key to the fridge, got all the food, got the scissors, unsealed the container with the scissors

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Also, if I choose 'Action' then select any inventory item, the game crashes, so I'm wondering if there is a way to open the mysterious container. Man I wish I had the full version.

Hey everybody.  

I also want to let you know that it is too bad that PAWS is being so butthole-ish about this.  Your game is terrific, and had a blast playing... (well, up until I got the infamous no-walking bug, which coincendently also happened in another game, by another author, The Adventures of Fatman", and I was never able to finish that game either *sob*)  Anyway, I think your game is fabulous.

For my take on the PAWS thing... if you want to hear it. :-)  I don't think it's completely about money.  See, I've often wondered about why they shut down fan games and such.  I've always thought it was really stupid myself.  I mean, it's not like your making any money on it, and it's not like they're losing any money on it.  But last night, I was thinking about this, and I thought about something no one had mentioned before.  Now, although this is a fan-based game, and you have the giant disclaimer at the beginning.... There is a possibility that someone could play it and still associate it with PAWS.  Lets say there was something offensive in it... not that there is anything offensive in yours, but there's the possibility.  All of a sudden, people start associating PAWS with that offensive material.  Even though there is a disclaimer, it's already too late.  The word is already out there.

Ok, I hope that made sense... I'm not defending PAWS by any means.  I think it is totally ridiculous that they won't let you post the game.  I just wanted to throw that thought out there to give everybody an insight to the way this company may be thinking.  I could also be totally off base on this one!

Me too, PAWS suck. Your game is great. Though the walking bug happened to me a few times (especially when it happens right after a restoring), I managed to beat it. I don't know if this helps or not, but I restarted the game and did everything I was supposed to without any unnessisarily things. There should be some kind of petition thingy.

Aw hell!  >:(
This is stupid. I don't know much about law, but fact is:

You're not giving away anything with your game people could buy from PAWS otherwise. YOU made the game. YOU drew characters and did all the crap. Like, when I get a child and want to name him "Garfield" then what? Have to pay to them for using that name? Stupid.
What does logic say?

-> It's a company. Sells comics, games, cartoons etc.
-> I don't think PAWS has "selling rights for amateur games" in their working license.
-> So they can't and don't sell such a thing as allowance to make a fangame.
-> So you haven't taken anything from them and you're not selling anything related to them. It's a freeware game, after all and they don't have right to sell it too. It's yours.  
-> so you also haven't made any material damage to them.
-> and any other kind of damage is about impossible to prove

QuoteAll of a sudden, people start associating PAWS with that offensive material. Even though there is a disclaimer, it's already too late. The word is already out there.

This is stupid. I could write "garfield sucks balls!!!" onto wall on largest street and pee on it. Police would only punish me under paragraph of vandalism. This is democracy, right? Right for opinion and everything. If making games would be easier and not based on love making them, hategames could be as popular as fangames.

Word is ALLOWED to be out there, good or bad. Or newspapers would be shut down immediately aswell. And our critics lounge. And everything else that reflects opinions of different people.

I suggest to research every bit of law around that case and maybe you could even make some money from a that game. If they really are upset enough to sue you, that is.

...actually, I think were very heroic. We, simple, creative individuals, fight for entire dead games genre, and against big companies. What's going on? Is CJ actually a fighter gathering his army for world domination? Sound like a movie "Fight Club" already.

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You're not giving away anything with your game people could buy from PAWS otherwise. YOU made the game. YOU drew characters and did all the crap.

Nevertheless, they own the RIGHTS to the character.
Jim Davis did the groundwork years ago, without which this game wouldn't exist.

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Like, when I get a child and want to name him "Garfield" then what? Have to pay to them for using that name? Stupid.

You don't, since Garfield is a name that was around before the fat cat, including Leon Garfield the writer and James Garfield the US president.

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What does logic say?

Unfortunately, logic and law are not always compatible...

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-> I don't think PAWS has "selling rights for amateur games" in their working license.

But they do have "selling rights for computer games". There have been several commercial Garfield computer games to date. The sad fact that they all suck balls doesn't change that.

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-> So you haven't taken anything from them and you're not selling anything related to them. It's a freeware game, after all and they don't have right to sell it too. It's yours.  
-> so you also haven't made any material damage to them.
-> and any other kind of damage is about impossible to prove

It's not about causing the company material damage. Actually it is, because people who want to use the Garfield likeness have to pay PAWS, Inc. to use it. Whether they make money with it or not is their problem.
When someone comes along, takes the Garfield likeness without paying and makes money with it, the company potentially loses money. And how can they be sure Kairus doesn't make money from his game?

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QuoteAll of a sudden, people start associating PAWS with that offensive material. Even though there is a disclaimer, it's already too late. The word is already out there.

This is stupid. I could write "garfield sucks balls!!!" onto wall on largest street and pee on it. Police would only punish me under paragraph of vandalism. This is democracy, right? Right for opinion and everything. If making games would be easier and not based on love making them, hategames could be as popular as fangames.

Not quite the same. First of all, graffiti is obviously not an established form of publishing. Computer games are, more or less.
Secondly, writing "Garfield sucks balls" is free speech. Mass-publishing images of Garfield actually sucking balls might be considered harmful to the company, even if you do add small print that you're not associated with PAWS, because people tend to look at the image and forget about the small print. No matter how large it is written (see Kairus' game).
For example, there are several instances of Garfield saying "god damn" in the game. Potentially people could be highly offended by this and I doubt PAWS would ever authorize such an act in their own material.

QuoteI suggest to research every bit of law around that case

Definitely, I'd love to be proven wrong.

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and maybe you could even make some money from a that game.

No, no, no!

QuoteIf they really are upset enough to sue you, that is.

Oh, you mean from winning a lawsuit against them. Forget it. Their lawyers likely earn more than the whole bunch of us put together.

Please don't think I'm taking the side of PAWS and their lawyers here, I'm just trying to play devil's advocate, as it were, and show the other viewpoint.
I'd love it if the company would just say "a little fan production won't hurt us", and if they had actually taken a look at the game, they probably would, but they are busy guys (what with the shitty movie coming up and all) and very likely get dozens of requests like these per week, so they prefer to play it safe and ban all fan productions from the start.

I wish it were different. If Kairus hadn't informed them, chances are they never would've bothered. I doubt they employ people to surf the web to look for games that infringe their copyrights.
I myself have written a text adventure based on "The Sandman", a comic book by DC/Vertigo Comics on my old Amstrad CPC a few years ago (http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Alley/1842/amsgames.html (http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Alley/1842/amsgames.html)), it's been up on my website for years and nobody from DC's law department has ever bothered me about it. I may yet remake it for AGS some day. If that day ever comes, I sure as hell won't tell DC Comics about it.

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...actually, I think were very heroic. We, simple, creative individuals, fight for entire dead games genre, and against big companies.

Actually, we're not. We're not fighting "against" anyone. I'm not sure we're even meant to be fighting at all. The big companies aren't even noticing us most of the time. And that's a good thing.

Sure, by catering to a very select market and to a "dead genre" as you put it, we're not very noticeable, and sometimes it sucks not being in the spotlight and working unseen and unappreciated by the masses. But sometimes it's a blessing as well: What they don't see, they don't sue.

Oh well, Electricmonk, right. Right.
And It's not good at all that you're right.
In matter fact, I think that you won't question my last statement here which is "whole thing sucks!".
Right?

P.S. The copyrighting problem is smallest on Garfield character himself in game, because his feet seem to be too thin to me. But all other characters look even more like original themselves than in any PAWS product... Very impressive!!!! ...an bad. sadly.

P.S.S. About that us fighting thing: Electricmonk, I think you have at least two working humanoid-compatible eyes and so you can make difference between serious talk and total crap. This, in case is just caused by my semi-humorous way to romantise stupidity and give reason to nonsense. Ever noticed my Rogery avatars? :D In other words: just kidding! CJ gathering underground army? Come ooon...

Dang. I was looking forward to playing the final version because I had finally found what I initially thought was the full game but it turned out to be the demo....anyway I'm a big Garfield fan and was hoping to play the full game , it always ticks me off when people get in trouble over things like this because it's not really hurting anyone so why is it such a big deal? *sighs*

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I don't know how often Raku visits but I hope
he sees this and I'm sorry in advance that this has nothing to do with Garfield but I didn't want to annoy everyone by making a seperate thread because Raku's comment is in this thread...any way - Raku : I just joined the forums over at the website that used to be Tierra ( it's now called some thing like "anonymous game developers" ) and asked about the KQ parody. They told me that they did stop work on it and from what I can tell they don't have any plans on restarting it any time soon , may be not even ever.
So , no , Josh Mandel nor any one else is going to be doing the voice for King Graham in a Tierra / AGD KQ parody because they abandoned the project. I don't know about any other KQ parodies but , again , Tierra / AGD will not be making one.  Mmmkay?  Sorry to sound gripey but it annoys me when people imply that I'm wrong about some thing when I am pretty darn sure I'm right.

Quote from: Vel on Wed 07/04/2004 15:55:15
Kairus: Sierra are neglecting the VGA remakes, and lucas have already closed down two fan projects, and seeing as there are more to come, will most probably close down MI 1,5/ not that I hope so, Im just stating facts - they closed scurvyliver's project for using ripped graphics/.

I disagree , at least on the Sierra thing. I don't know what you mean by neglecting , but last time I checked , Sierra no longer makes adventure games any way....so why would they make a big deal about people doing fan versions of older games? I could understand if they got upset about a fan doing a remake of an old sports game since that's why many of the people who worked on the adventure games got layed off in the first place...the president or whatever was more into sports and didn't give a flying fig about adventure games. ( *growls* ) I don't remember seeing any news about lucasfilm / lucassoft so I don't know about that but as far as I know "New" Sierra either doesn't know or doesn't care about fanmade versions of old adventure games and they don't make adventure games , while "Old" Sierra totally is in love with the idea of fans remaking older games , in fact , there was going to be a King's Quest parody and the guy who voice acted in the older games was going to be working on the project / as the voice for King Graham again! Eventually though they decided to trash the project , not because of anything Sierra stated but the group working on it ( Tierra soft...they have a new name now...I can't remember it ) stopped because they were starting to feel as though it was too rude...They stopped themselves ..not Sierra, so , in my opinion , if Sierra did give a flying fig about this sort of thing , then they aren't doing anything about it. Weird , eh? I'm kinda glad though , I'd hate it they started cracking down on stuff because it's almost always over something stupid when big companies crack down on stuff. Why don't they go after people that deserve it , like if anybody that is selling games that they didn't buy in the first place?!

btw , in case anybody needs to know , I posted this in the thread instead of just pm-ing Vel because I wanted people to see what I knew about the whole Sierra thing.
Hope that's ok. Sorry if I've upset anybody , especially you Vel because I don't mean to upset anybody.

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Oh well, Electricmonk, right. Right.
And It's not good at all that you're right.
In matter fact, I think that you won't question my last statement here which is "whole thing sucks!".
Right?

Couldn't agree more, man.

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P.S.S. About that us fighting thing: Electricmonk, I think you have at least two working humanoid-compatible eyes and so you can make difference between serious talk and total crap. This, in case is just caused by my semi-humorous way to romantise stupidity and give reason to nonsense. Ever noticed my Rogery avatars? :D In other words: just kidding! CJ gathering underground army? Come ooon...

Sorry, I just got an overdose of the "we're undergrounders/software pirates/l33t hax0rz/whatever and we're fighting big companies/lamers/other computer groups/whatever" rhetoric over the years that I fear I'm now unable to distinguish clever irony from puberty-induced ranting in that department. ;)
Yours being the former of course. And I like the Roger avatar a lot.

And the underground army: Hmmm. Judging by my fitness, I'll be the guy who ends up on the table while the others stand around him chanting "His name was Robert Paulsen"...

 Queen Kara: Just thought you might want to know that according to an interview with the Tierra team, they decided not to use the original voice in the parody because they didn't want it to be associated with the dirty language of the parody. They did say however that they would use Josh Mandel (the original King Graham voice actor) in their KQ1 remake.

Just to add my two cents to the copyright discussion above, I've heard that one of the reasons companies are so protective is that if they *know* that someone else is using their stuff without permission, but nothing is done about it, then the company could potentially lose its copyright because it failed to assert its ownership, according to US jurisprudence. I know that some companies have lost trademarks because the term became generic (like Kleenex) but has anyone heard of a case where somebody 'stole' a copyrighted work because the original holder failed to send a "cease and desist" letter?

I had this wierd feeling of Deja Vu when reading the above post... almost the same thing had already been posted a while ago, by the same person. I don't see the point.

And I've already said a lot about my standing towards this. The only thing I have to add is that this is probably our fault, in a way - the public's fault.

Here's what I mean - awhile ago, I read, in this very forum, that someone had some problem with some real OLD infogrames game, called them on the phone, talked to Bruno Bonnel himself, and actually got shipped a disk with a patch. All as friendly as you please. But that was then, and back then PAWS would probably not be this strict. But illegality is easy nowadays, I mean, just look at E-Mule or KaZaa! No one can afford to be friendly, they don't have the time, they're too busy protecting their interests. They can't know fore sure whether Kairus is a threat, so they play it safe.

Not to say that I agree. I almost want to email them and tell them I've got MY copy and I'm giving it to my friends and there's nothing they can do about it!

Since you spent a lot of time and effort making this game it would be a shame to throw it away

You can get around most of the copyright problems by changing the name of the game and ingame text by substituting "garfield" and other copyrighted names for others

The graphics on the other hand are a "grey" area and it would be hard for Paws inc. to prove copyright violations especially since they are all your own artwork, however companies like disney have tried to shut down fan websites that display fan created artwork of their characters, I am not sure what the current legal situation is, can anyone comment?

Although if you are really worried, just changing the color of garfield would null any objections they could raise.  Dont give up on your game.

I agree with anony.
Just change the colors of Garfield, Odie and others so PAWS can't say a f*****g stupid word to that.

TAKE THAT, PAWS!!! >:(

It wouldn't be the same. Garfield by any other color wouldn't be Garfield. Or by any other name.

Oh yeah...
But...
That doesn't matter!
Garfield could be...

MARFIELD
or
KARFIELD


Odie would be...

KODIE
or
NODIE

Well, if you look at what happened to the Linux distributor "Lindows", they ended up changing their name because MS were suing them in aboiut a hundred different countries. Some countries said "don't be silly"  to MS, but others said OK...

How do you rate it in bad stuff? Swearing, violence, etc???

AND ALSO: May I suggest if you do a sequel or a remake that words should be in bubbles?

I found the full version at www.the-underdogs.org

dont know why considering all the PAWS brew ha ha, but its up and full

This is quite a game! Too bad I get stuck often though.

And here is a short review of the game in Korean.

http://game.ivyro.net/zeroboard/view.php?id=freeware&no=26

Quote from: Magicscroll on Tue 18/05/2004 12:38:44
This is quite a game! Too bad I get stuck often though.
And here is a short review of the game in Korean.
http://game.ivyro.net/zeroboard/view.php?id=freeware&no=26

Fortunately, I've not experencied any of those bugs! :D

Gulp... er... so...Ã,  ??? Is a translation available?...Ã,  ;)

How do you...

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get the money. what do you press ive tryed look and other stuff but I can't get the money!! ???

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I got the HOTU version, its a very impressive game (from the little I have seen of it). Ã, can anyone tell me how to
SPOILERS (cant get the BBCode to work so just dont read below if you havent gotten further than 2 minutes into the game).

Beat the mutant at the beginning
Ive gotten the cheese, have all of the stuff from the fridge, but dont know what to do from there
Any help?
End Spoilers

Here is the soulution ThePheonixReborn

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You will find a container in the fridge that has been sealed with tape. Go to Jon's room. You will see a table by the left side of Jon's bed. Pick up the sissors and open the container with the sissors. Pour the soup on the mutant

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Hope That Helps!

Hi, Garfield fan!

To get the money

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you must have been in the supermarket and tried to get out with an item without paying it.
Then go back to home's bathrrom and look at your master's clothes till you look/get WALLET.

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Ok, so Ive been doing fine up until

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the point where you hitchhike.  Ive gotten to the other location, but now I keep getting stuck all over the place.  It doesnt effect me too much, but the big thing is that I cant get to the water room in YUCK TV.  I have tried getting there from all different angles, but he keeps on getting stuck on the rug (I cant see anything to keep him from going on).  Also I have 2 questions
I have the string, which I assume I give to nermal, but I dont know how to make it into a ball.
I assume you get to grandmas by crossing the stream, but I have no idea how to begin (any hints)

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Any help appreciated

All these questions have already been answered - some multiple times - in the "Hints and Tips" section. Please do a search there.

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html.

One solution might be to upload the game on a server in a country that does not have copyright stipulations with the U.S.

I researched a little bit and noticed the Fair Use part of copyright:

Taken from: http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html
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One of the rights accorded to the owner of copyright is the right to reproduce or to authorize others to reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords. This right is subject to certain limitations found in sections 107 through 118 of the copyright act (title 17, U.S. Code). One of the more important limitations is the doctrine of “fair use.” Although fair use was not mentioned in the previous copyright law, the doctrine has developed through a substantial number of court decisions over the years. This doctrine has been codified in section 107 of the copyright law.

Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered “fair,” such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Section 107 also sets out four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair:

the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

the nature of the copyrighted work;

amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
The distinction between “fair use” and infringement may be unclear and not easily defined. There is no specific number of words, lines, or notes that may safely be taken without permission. Acknowledging the source of the copyrighted material does not substitute for obtaining permission.

The 1961 Report of the Register of Copyrights on the General Revision of the U.S. Copyright Law cites examples of activities that courts have regarded as fair use: “quotation of excerpts in a review or criticism for purposes of illustration or comment; quotation of short passages in a scholarly or technical work, for illustration or clarification of the author's observations; use in a parody of some of the content of the work parodied; summary of an address or article, with brief quotations, in a news report; reproduction by a library of a portion of a work to replace part of a damaged copy; reproduction by a teacher or student of a small part of a work to illustrate a lesson; reproduction of a work in legislative or judicial proceedings or reports; incidental and fortuitous reproduction, in a newsreel or broadcast, of a work located in the scene of an event being reported.”

Copyright protects the particular way an author has expressed himself; it does not extend to any ideas, systems, or factual information conveyed in the work.

The safest course is always to get permission from the copyright owner before using copyrighted material. The Copyright Office cannot give this permission.

When it is impracticable to obtain permission, use of copyrighted material should be avoided unless the doctrine of “fair use” would clearly apply to the situation. The Copyright Office can neither determine if a certain use may be considered “fair” nor advise on possible copyright violations. If there is any doubt, it is advisable to consult an attorney.

FL-102, June 1999
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People with common sense can see that your game is for non-profit and is educational because you used it to better your skills in the art of computer game development using AGS.

That's more than enough to give PAWS the finger and tell them to suck it. :) At least, that's my take.
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BTW: This is a great game. I do hope you fix that glitch so one day I'll be able to finish it.

Didnt i read in the tech forum not that long ago that CJ found the problem and fixed it, I'm not sure? I dont know if the game has been updated if thats true tho.

I've nearly completed the game i think which i really enjoyed plus i had hardly any bugs and never in the same place twice.  8)   Now I'm stuck and its really annoying. All the cats have agreed to meet me and the vet says she'll meet me at the set but no1 is there they are just where they were b4. Also the water pipe things, what do i connect to what? i tried connecting to set A but nothing happens. Some1 pleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaase help me thx.

This is a pretty cool game, challenging puzzles for sure.  I think I may be done for though now that I've gotten to the arcade game with the pipes.  Woah, that is just wicked tough!!  I'm usually okay with arcade games, but this one is making me insane.  :P

 :-[ :-[ :-[  The download wont work, says I have an error and entered the wrong code.  I am sooo sad, I want to play too

It''s a really cool game!
also is there a walkthrough anywhere for it?

I can't download the  game. The maesage this page could not be found just keeps poping up.  :'(

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I can't download the  game. The maesage this page could not be found just keeps poping up.  :'(

I have tried the underdogs page listed above and it wont work for me, I cant seem to download from there, any suggestions anyone because Im stumped. 

Viktor and Afinch:

http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=4868

http://www.the-underdogs.org/downloadfile.php?file=games/g/garfield04/files/garfield04.zip&id=4868
You must enter a word you find in an image eg as this one:
http://www.the-underdogs.org/hotu_download_g.jpg

Quote from: Primus on Tue 15/06/2004 19:27:25
Viktor and Afinch:

http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=4868

http://www.the-underdogs.org/downloadfile.php?file=games/g/garfield04/files/garfield04.zip&id=4868
You must enter a word you find in an image eg as this one:
http://www.the-underdogs.org/hotu_download_g.jpg

I downloaded it from there. But it tels me to enter a disk in to a drive and pres enter to zip the files. I don't have that disc.

I didn't have that problem. What winzip version are you using? I'm using the 8.1

Quote from: Primus on Tue 15/06/2004 19:27:25
Viktor and Afinch:

http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=4868

http://www.the-underdogs.org/downloadfile.php?file=games/g/garfield04/files/garfield04.zip&id=4868
You must enter a word you find in an image eg as this one:
http://www.the-underdogs.org/hotu_download_g.jpg

After I type in the code Im referred to a page that tells me I have been tricked.  I have tried everything.  I dont have a download manager I dont think so thats the issue.  Thanks for the help anyway Primus... Do you have any other suggestions??

Hi!

You must use the same letters (capitals or not, pay attention, it's case sensitive) in the code (eg opfNn). And you can only get one or two files a day with the same ip from the underdogs: so if you've a dynamic one, just hang out and connect again for new one(s) ;)

You can also try to get the exe-rar files, they're four, I think.

Quote from: Primus on Thu 17/06/2004 15:02:05
I didn't have that problem. What winzip version are you using? I'm using the 8.1

Upgrade to 9.0

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Upgrade to 9.0

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Won't it be due to the winzip version? The 9 is a beta version yet, isn't it?

Maybe I'm completely special, but I can't find Squeak anywhere. Where the @$!% is he?

did anyone have trouble getting the ending?  All i got was an error message

I just saw the movie that came out about Garfield recently. It is good. I ain't gonna revel much else except that  J. love Hewlett ;Dplays the vet so You know it's gonna be fun and sexy) it's kinda loosely based on the basis for this game but with some added twists like John Being Addicted to the vet(won't stop bothering her) and Garfield actully showing a guilty conseisce in the end. It's a big difference from the cartoon to the big screen....

I'm guessing this is being discontinued...

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but was there ever a patched version where Garfield doesn't get stuck while jumping the stones in the river after hitchhiking, nor anywhere else in particular because after hitchhiking into the countryside, the game starts to keep getting stuck...

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Hey !, download the WinRar 3.40 beta 2 1133 KB  (http://www.rarlab.com/rar/wrar34b2.exe), its an english verion (i use the spanish one), and better than winzip (for me ...)

How come i found out about it just now!!??

It's teh humouroush, and cute.
I should go and continue.

<laugh> God, CJ, where have you been? The controversy around the GARFIELD copyright has been going around in the thread for months!  :D

<laugh> That's not CJ :P

i cliked here on the download link and it popped up with a page that says http 404 error,but i really want this game!Is there another way i can download it?

Wow! It's nice to see that after all this time my game is still in the first page of game announcements :) that means it's made a lot of noise. I haven't been able to work on anything about the game lately, I've had too much to do for University, but I promise I will think about uploading a bug-free version (at least the getting stuck bug) of the game as soon as I finish my exams (hopefully next week), I don't know yet if I should upload it. You know, with all this movie stuff going around, I think these guys might be trying to protect their product even more these days...

Well...you could always post a link that's protected by .htpasswd...

Quote from: Highwaygal on Mon 19/07/2004 12:05:56
<laugh> That's not CJ :P

Whooops... still, honest mistake, heh? Similar names and avatar...

...sorry, CJ, wherever you are!

Where do I find the key to the fridge????

Quote from: tvtom on Wed 03/03/2004 16:49:09

???

Ok, guys, I'm back.
I've recompiled the game and fixed some things, seems that the getting stuck bug (thanks to CJ) has gone. Now I don't know if I should upload it or what. What do you think? Do you think I could have any problems with this? Maybe there's someone who could host a mirror or something... I'm very sorry for the people that got tired of the game because of that bug and finally sent it to the trashbin, I hope they can finish the game now (if I upload the fixed version). Should I finally post it in the AGS games list? Enlighten me, please.

yessssssssss!

Well, I say you should upload it, but PAWS wouldn't be amused if it found out... maybe you should keep it "underground", like GAC's "Hugo's House of Horrors". PAWS might check the AGS game list (although it probably won't), but it's a safe bet it won't bother to visit the forums. Just upload it to some "secret-ish" place and say, in this thread, "if you want it, email me", or something.

Well that0s my 2 cents, at least.

yeah, that sounds like the best idea.
i want it!!!!

Quote from: Fawfulhasfury on Wed 04/08/2004 00:35:32
yeah, that sounds like the best idea.
i want it!!!!

Yeah, that's probably a cool idea.

Oh yeah, just wanted to announce my new site to everyone:

"Amazing Adventures" over at www.adventure.easyurl.org

I want to make it a good resource for the AGS community.
I'll have some Adventure Gaming News, Resources, Downloads and Links and more goodies to come soon.

So, check it out today.. And BTW, Garfield says "Me-oow!"  ;)

Hey! Check out the downloads section (http://www.bushidokai.ca/bigdon/downloads.htm) at barbarian's site... something is attacking! ;)

SWEET

any hints on where I can find Squeaky? need the key for the fridge....

I looked everywhere, but I can't find it...

Thank you sooo much...

Right when I saw the intro movie, I knew that this would stay true to the comic strip created by Jim Davis. I love the part "But do not underestimate Monday, for it has devilish tricks up its sleeves." Garfield is back and better than ever! But I'm sorta pathetic when playing this game. I'm stuck completely at the beginning. Could you write some sort of walkthrough for idiots like me, without giving away any of the funny jokes? I always read Garfield daily, so finishing this game will be a real treat for me.
-JBiker51

Niw I#m stuck at the pipe puzzle. Can anybody tell me what I have to do? Please...

Where can I find the link to download the game?

Quote from: Kairus on Mon 09/08/2004 01:45:44
Hey! Check out the downloads section (http://www.bushidokai.ca/bigdon/downloads.htm) at barbarian's site... something is attacking! ;)

Please read the thread, or at least browse through it, before asking such questions.

Not sure if the spoiler code works...

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I've got Jon's mum to cook the soup, got Guido and Arlene to assist me, completed the pipe puzzle. Now what??? I can't use the phone, Jon's still being a lazy a$$ in the bath, and the nurse wouldn't do anything either. Can someone tell me what to do?

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Quote from: Drew on Tue 10/08/2004 15:27:55
Not sure if the spoiler code works...

Spoiler

I've got Jon's mum to cook the soup, got Guido and Arlene to assist me, completed the pipe puzzle. Now what??? I can't use the phone, Jon's still being a lazy a$$ in the bath, and the nurse wouldn't do anything either. Can someone tell me what to do?

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Looks like all four cats (you and three others) aren't ready to start... ;)

And about the pipe-puzzle:

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First one quick note: This isn't really 'a puzzle', more like arcade, so it's about strategy and quick thinking, not solving anything (well in a way solving, but... I won't get into that)

OK, here's it shortly: You have to get the water from the start, to the end parts (if you don't figure out which ones, I'll post it in the end of this...)

A bit longer: Have understood all the buttons? At least the arrows above/left to the puzzle. I first didn't understand anything about it, but then finally I understuud that the arrows move you around the puzzle area (I didn't know it was bigger than what was on the screen)

Anyways, the puzzle is just a basic version of the old "pipes", where you have to attach the pipe-parts you get to the endings, before the water cming from the start comes to the end. As you scroll around the screen, you'll notice a few endings. They are however smaller than the basic green parts. There's that one button that can switch the pipe size.

So. There's that one part that you must get the green pipe, so you can start getting the water to the red pipes. I'd suggest you first get the green pipes into that, before you start doing anything with the red. Remember, you don't have to use all of the parts on your system, just dump the useless ones somewhere out of the way. When you've connected the green pipes to the "divider" You move along to the red pipes. This is a bit harder, as you have to manage two pipes at the same time. When you get here, you should check quickly where the endings are. If you've got time, try to concentrate on getting one pipe first clear, so it'll be easier to manage just one. Also, if you have time, start from the other end too more or less...

And if you don't know where to end the pipelines, they are the stages, wich are..................... A1 and A2

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Well, I hope I made some sense there and didn't leave any good strategies out.

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Ok...got the hint...now what do I do to turn on the sprinkler??? I've tried going to Jon's mother's place...I've tried looking for a fire source (maybe?)...just the last part...

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Drew:

Spoiler

You have made it to the final scene (where there are a lot of mutants in the seats of the TV set) ? If so you should find a way to turn the anti-fire system on. It reacts to fire... smoke... doesn't it? Don't you have anything that can produce some smoke? What kind of people would have something like that?

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Now the big hint

Spoiler

Did you know you can go south in the park from where Nermal is or where the man on the bench is? There's something down there that can help you

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JBiker51:
Thanks for your comments, I'm glad an old Garfield fan like you has really appreciated the game. If you're walking for a walkthrough, I'm sure there's one available. I promised a long time that I was going to write one but I hadn't have time (yeah, I'm lazy...), search the hints forum because I'm sure someone posted a  link to a walkthrough there.

Whoa...thanks...who knew it would be hidden in such a whole mess?  ;D Great game!

 ;D  Thank you for fixing the game!!!!  Now I can finish!!

This game is amazing! Truly awardable material!  8)

Dangit! Bloody copyright infringment!

Although, I doubt very much they would sue you if you uploaded it again.

But then again, why risk it?

This does, however, raise some interesting questions. Who told Paws about the game? I doubt Paws snoops around the AGS forums, and you probably couldn't find such precise details on, say, google or some other search engine (probably).

Is there a snitch among us? Did some n00b think he was doing the right thing and report you?

*Blitzerland rallies army of spear-wielding cats

NOOBS SHALL BURN AT THY STAKE TONIGHT!

read back 20 posts and you'll find yourself a link to barbarians site written by Kairus....

and if you read the whole therad, you would have read that he wrote Paws himself, just to see if it was okay, which they quickly replied saying it was not.

Ummm... does this mean I shall be burnt at a stake tonight or something?

Did you guys know that Home of the underdogs is hosting the game?

Quote from: Joseph DiPerla on Mon 16/08/2004 03:10:38
Did you guys know that Home of the underdogs is hosting the game?

Yeah, I seen they had it over there, but, I don't know if it's the most recent version. If it's the older version, thier copy may still have some nasty bugs in it.  :P

Um blitz, read through, he told paws about the fangame

Underdogs has the newer version, I personally wrote them about it and the next day they already had put it under the 'recent new versions' or something like that section.

Quote from: Raggit on Wed 03/03/2004 20:51:32
For those of you who need the hat, read below.

Spoiler

Get some hair out of Garfield's bed. Ã, Climb the tree over the bench and use the hair on the man. Ã, He'll sneeze and lose his hat. Ã, When he gets up, use the glue on the bench. Ã, He'll sit back down and get stuck. Ã, Go back and get some more cat hair and use it on him again. Ã, The same thing will happen again, but he is stuck and can't move.

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I have the guy stuck to the bench but Garfield still will not go near the hat what did I do wrong? ???

Can't you just make a simple website and put it on there???
i mean it should be able to download it from there, and its your website, so you could probably leave it on there. i would really like to play. i have it installed but it won't download. please try so i can injoy it too!

http://aafiles.bicycle-for-slugs.org/

Look in "full".

Not being more explicit, don't want trouble to come from unexpected places (even though he still uses the game's banner in his sig...)

Quote from: Rui "Shodan" Pires (a divine AI) on Wed 14/12/2005 00:03:44
http://aafiles.bicycle-for-slugs.org/

Look in "full".

Not being more explicit, don't want trouble to come from unexpected places (even though he still uses the game's banner in his sig...)

Is not there  :-\

*downloading from underdogs*

Oh, I forgot - sorry. To avoid problems, it's in as "mutant lasagna".

Meh, might as well post the full link now...

...nah. I'm lazy.

I downlaoded it and it did work, it just took a little while. srry bout that. on underdogs, it has it (that's where i got mine)  first you need to install it to a file where you won't loose it. then about 15 mins after you install it go to 'my computer', and go to the file you saved it to. a pawprint should be there. thats it. BY THE WAY I LOVE IT. BUT ME BEING STUPID, HOW DO YOU GET OFF THE FIRST PAGE??? thx. hope im not annoying. bye.                                                   ---stepfanie---

Not fair, when I click on the link to read about it I get a stupid "Not found"-page! When I click on the link to download the game I get the same page. Why is this? Is the site down or something?

EDIT: Problem solved! I had to click on another link ^_^".

Probably the age of the thread - keep in mind the creator hasn't been active here since last April, so yes, the site is probably down.

You can find the info about it - and download it - on Home of the Underdogs (http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?gameid=4868) (as mentioned in the post before yours), or there's another download available at the link a few posts up.

No link that works?

Yes there are. In the very page you posted. :P

Eh?
What's this?
Soooo... we can't download the game because the people who made Garfield or something have copyright stuff or something?

Quote from: Grapefruitologist on Sat 18/02/2006 00:10:43
Eh?
What's this?
Soooo... we can't download the game because the people who made Garfield or something have copyright stuff or something?

Huh or something?

Quote from: Rui "Brisby" Pires (an Hallucination) on Fri 17/02/2006 19:49:58
Yes there are. In the very page you posted. :P

mmm doesnt seem to be working 4 me then...
dammit, I guess the fat cat just aint going to be on my pc!

The hell with it.

http://aafiles.bicycle-for-slugs.org/full/Mutant%20Lasagna.rar

I will personally slaughter anyone else who asks for the download link AGAIN.

Kewl it works thanks downloading right now, in the event of someone asking for another link
I will bring my ping pong bat...  ;D

Thanks Brisby

//Edit: Download done thanks!