here adventure man he is man call Bill I like him do you like the man I make? (http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/BILL.gif)
the last one is a woman!
you lied to us!
this makes me MOST ANGRY.
but yeh, good as stickpeople go.
Yeah, it's great, I lust for his hairy chest :-* :-*
I thought it's a centaur. Do I need to critic? I doubt you are going to understaind any word I write. ::)
Welcome to the forums (I think).
umm uh lets not go there... :-\
I think I need to have to create a leet forum on streetcrew.co.za...
That is very polite, and helpful too ::)
It's an interesting style, Rolf. I like Bill. Make an adventure with him now.
EDIT: I suppose it is right that it is hard to critique something like this. Sorry for my former harshness. I still gotta say I like Bill, though:
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/Billdance.gif)
Quote from: Krysis on Thu 13/04/2006 09:48:11
I thought it's a centaur. Do I need to critic? I doubt you are going to understaind any word I write.Ã, ::)
Welcome to the forums (I think).
That would have sounded clever if you hadn't made so many english errors yourself! ;)
I like bill! I really like the sketchy ms paint look to him!
The main thing that stands out to me is the fact that he looks to be leaning to the left (his right) what i would suggest is possibly move the like that makes up his torso more to the center of his hips.
Keep up the good work!
although this style is...er....unique. it is..............CRAP, GARBAGE ETC. No one would like to play a game using these types of graphics. they aren't appealing at all. Sorry to be so harsh but if your going to post something, next time make sure it took you more than 10 seconds! Again, sorry to be so harsh.
P.S these are great drawings if your under 5 years old
this is the critics lounge you prick, not the "my arseheaded opinion" lounge. where the hell did all these graphics nazis spring from all of a sudden?
personally i like the sprite but i would take note of what cpage said and fix it so that he doesn't seem to be leaning to the left so much and perhaps give him a mouth for greater expression.
Ok this is interesting I really liked the inro you posted in the other topic Rolf, so why does this feel so much different to that?
As for the Graphic Nazis...
Were not nazis, were just misunderstod ;)
No but really Even Relentless said that he didnt care for graphics when he played world of chaos he realised that he did. We as humans are visaul creatures we want to see stuff pleasing to the eye.
Rolf spend a little more time on it and if its really not what you want show us what you want and well try and help you achieve that level however if this for some strange reason is what you want I would say not many will play a game like that... IMO
Well goodluck please ask for help if you need any and well be glad to assist.
Your soul owner and leader,
- Graphic Nazi... ;)
ok ok just kidding Afflict.
Quote from: ManicMatt on Thu 13/04/2006 18:07:03
That would have sounded clever if you hadn't made so many english errors yourself!Ã, ;)
Define "many". Anyhow..
Rolf:
It's an interesting style. Considering you said your favorite game was one of the Monkey Island Games, you've not tried ripping the sprites from that and making a fan game. I respect that. This style of art could make an interesting game.
Others:
Boyd's right. Graphic Nazis. Surely you realise this is the "Critic's Lounge" and not the "Sh*t on the Parade Before it Even Starts Lounge". He's not ripping art, he's actually bothered to draw it. He's come here to improve that art, not get told it's garbage. The actual body shape alone seems reasonably good (aside from the slanting). How would you like it if everyone said all your work was crap?
Great work if you're under 5 years old? Great comment if you can't act over 5 years old, too. Stop being mean and try for constructive critisicism, and not just poking fun at people.
As for the mouth, I think he has a bit more character without one. I've had a character in mind for years that never has a mouth, getting the eyes to do all the emotions and stuff. It's hard, but it's possible. It all depends on the situation, I guess.
Back to Rolf:
Good Luck, I can't wait to see where you go with this.
I'd also like to endorse supportive criticism on the forums, and apart from his lean leaning to the left, this is quite an appealing sprite.
The main reason I like the sprite is I'd love to see a game where you have to pick up trophies in order to get hair. That would blow everyone's mind.
Rolf, if you have trouble making a character look balanced try flipping the image so it is mirrored horizontally. That will show if a character is leaning one way or the other.
OK. hers some 'constructive' criticism:
These drawings are so crap its unbelievableÃ, :oÃ, this style could work out if you set some rules:
1)draw a stick man
2)add distinguashable features
3)sit back and errr...admire???
seriously though- the drawings are'nt good, theres no proper shape to the body. here's an example of what i mean
(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7091/untitled26gj1.png) (http://imageshack.us)
see? theres a shape to the body, but still the scribbled 5 year old type lines. you could even get rid of the black outlines
/ignore ace_gamer
One basic way to get a balanced form is to draw one half of the basic body, copy it and paste it flipped to the other side.
Quote from: Ace_Gamer on Sat 15/04/2006 16:43:05
OK. hers some 'constructive' criticism:
These drawings are so crap its unbelievable :o this style could work out if you set some rules:
Who do you think you are? The king of presidents?
ok heres the thing: that part was a JOKE. read the bit after the
"seriously though" bit. i'm just trying to help this guy create something wat pple will want tosee in a game while at the same time keeping it in a similar type of style.
just because you don't want to see that style in the game doesn't mean everyone holds the same opinion. you're just a big stupid that can't spell.
Quote from: BOYD1981 on Sat 15/04/2006 19:03:53
you're just a big stupid .
*sarcasticaly*: mmm, yea that sounds real mature ::)
look im just giving my opinion- let me ask you: would you want to play a game with these types of graphics? i don't think you would. the game could be absolutly brilliant but if the graphics don't match then it would let itself down immensly.
You've obviously never played any of boyds QQQ games have you?
Quote from: Ace_Gamer on Sat 15/04/2006 19:16:57
Quote from: BOYD1981 on Sat 15/04/2006 19:03:53
you're just a big stupid .
*sarcasticaly*: mmm, yea that sounds real matureÃ, ::)
look I'm just giving my opinion- let me ask you: would you want to play a game with these types of graphics? i don't think you would. the game could be absolutly brilliant but if the graphics don't match then it would let itself down immensly.
i would play a game with ANY type of graphics because i'm not a graphics nazi like you obviously are. and this isn't the place for your opinions, it's the place for critics. and besides whatever you may think, saying that it's crap is not critics, it's just rude, not even i'm that rude.
My critics are that it would be better if it wasn't posted here. Stickmen aren't meant for the crit's lounge, and calling crap what it is is acceptable. There is no help anyone could give rolf to improve it, because it is just a couple of lines. I would not like to play a game with that kind of graphics, and call me a fascist all you like, but i would probably have a seizure if i was hit by a constant movement like that. This thread should've been locked, or atleast someone point out that ITS A FREAKIN' STICKMAN. You can't fix it with shading, and there's no way to make it better.
IMO, this thread should be locked... but I'm not a mod so tough shit for me.
how do you know that wasn't the style he's going for?
if you check out his logo post you'll see the graphic style is a lot different to this.
i've played AGS games with much worse graphics than this.
I would actually like to play a game with characters like this. A lot of online games have such graphics and I still like them. It would be interesting and different.
Quote from: BOYD1981 on Sat 15/04/2006 23:49:11
i've played AGS games with much worse graphics than this.
As have I
Quote from: Ace_Gamer on Sat 15/04/2006 19:16:57
let me ask you: would you want to play a game with these types of graphics? i don't think you would.
YES!
Quote from: Lord Nipper on Sat 15/04/2006 22:59:11
but I'm not a mod so tough shit for me.
Thats right!
Look he has a logo that is awsome He is capable of much better BUT he chose this style for the character!
I like my good buddy Bill we go way back, I've know hime since he was a little pixel and i have to say unless you are going to make a crit go back to the general board and leave the thread alone. I'm also not a mod but I am disgusted with the way some of you "artists" are conducting yourselves!
Rolf: Ignore the rude comments please! I was looking at your Sprite a bit more and here are all the things that stand out to me
1. As I said before the stance could be corrected so it doesnt look like he is going to fall over :P
2. maybe clean the lines A BIT as I said before I am a big fan of the sketchy look!
3. Add a couple more in betweens and that animation will be smokin!
Chris
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/games.php?action=search&sterm=jon+stickman&submit=Search%21
A game with a stickman. Are you saying it's crap?
I hope not, since games aren't always about graphics. Jon Stickman was more about a concept. The same could apply here. For all we know, Bill might be a character who's world is the pages of a sketchbook. (An idea I've been thinking about developing for a while).
Just because you don't like the graphics, doesn't give you the right to tell people it's crap. Whenever you post something to get cristicism, remind to come in a slate it because it's not how I think it should be.
If it's cartoony, I'll whine about how it should be more realistic. If it's realistic, I'll cry about how it should be cartoony. If you draw a dog I'll say it should be a cat, and if you draw a cat I'll tell you it should be a giraffe on steroids. Moreover, whatever it is, I'll start by saying it's sh*t.
Actually, scratch that. I won't, since I'm not an arrogant, opinionated asshole with nothing better to do than insult other people's creative work.
I think its cute! ;D Games dont have to have amazing graphics to be good! I would play a game with graphics like that!
You dont have to make top quality games to use this site do u?? I dont think so,.....
Stop being mean to the poor little stick man!
but his 'drawings' are'nt proper stick men (if they are stickmen at all) they are just lines thrown together to make a figure. stickmen yes. these drawings no. they aren't neat, they are messy. i think i know the style he may be after: as if the 'audience' can see a little kids dream or story. but even then, these are still way too messy.
so to round things up: Stickmen are fine, These drawings are not
That criticism is not helpful at all. Calling his work "not fine" won't tell him where he can improve.
I don't mind the figures so much myself. I'm mainly puzzled whyhe posted them in the CL. What specifically would you like crits on? What style are you trying to achieve?
Without the answers to these questions, how can we say the sprites don't work?
Back to the crit... perhaps you should have the hair growing between the first and last frames, or have the hair consistent throughout the animation. Both would be acceptabe ammendments :D.
to improve this character(?) you should add a propper body. keep the style (sketchy) but draw a proper body
eg:
heres a very quick sketch.
(http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/2175/untitled14cq.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
or you could try something like this:
(http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2582/untitled12bf.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
see how i drew a traditional stickman then 'built' a proper body shape around it?
But that is still a completly different style. I'm actually okay with this style and would like to see more.
We're not jumping on him for putting up bad work. For rolf at least attempted at several frames, but we would like to see more work, or learn more about their projected style, as mentioned before, we can not crit what we don't know what you're going for.
I'm afraid he lost interest on the project after that few "incidents" on the General Discussion board.
I've suspected he's a fake user for a while, my last posts haven't been in praise of Rolf, but in disgust at what some people think counts as "constructive criticism". If you think it's sh*t, fine. Think that, but don't post it. Let the people who are more mature and tactful deal with those threads.
Also, Ace.. Those two pics aren't even the same resolution as Rolf's. It's like saying "improve these c64 graphics, by making them in 32-bit color at 1024x768 resolution with anti-aliasing".
Superman's right arm is wonky, by the way.
As cynicism struck me this morning, I'm just tempted to make this hypothesis:
What if someone started a fake account, went to the critics lounge with the intention of publishing the absolutely worst pictures ever concieved, just to check the responses?
If this is the case, I must say that I'm proud of the pedagogical spirit people here have displayed.
It proves that the quality of art can never reach the depths where CL-residents deem it not worthwile to provide useful feedback.
Now I agree that doing stickman art doesn't mean BAD. (we had a MAGS were it was required) it is the animation that is bad. it appears, as you say andrail, to be simply a try to be as bad as possible. thats all.
well it wasn't actually "Rolf" that made the animation, he made several poses and somebody else animated it.
well except for the hair in one, the pictures seemed to be connected in an animated way. even if they were not animated at first. as for calling them poses, the legs were EXACTLY the same.