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Title: Background made in Flash for my new project. (Better version see post 14)
Post by: CoffeeBob on Sun 18/07/2004 22:01:56
I've decided to make a new game called "The Quest".
Yes I know, the name sucks really bad, but naming games is not the thing I'm very good at.
Anyways, I haven't come so far with the game yet, only idea for the story and a background.
The game is about a rockstar/guitarist-wannabe.
This is the main characters room:
(http://img70.photobucket.com/albums/v212/Largo/Shit/quest_bg1.gif)
So, is it good, bad, okay, ugly, is there something that you find misplaced or anything like that, tell me.
(Oh, and BTW, it's not supposed to have any heavy shading, it's going to be cartoonish style)
Title: Re: Background made in Flash for my new project.
Post by: Babar on Sun 18/07/2004 22:21:44
the speakers look like they've been painted on the wall. Give them some perspective, even if it is "cartoonish style". Make their backs smaller than the fronts and show up part of their sides. Fill up the room as it looks kind of empty now. Since it is the characters room maybe a bed, shelf for books and CDs etc. And think up a better name :D
Title: Re: Background made in Flash for my new project.
Post by: CoffeeBob on Sun 18/07/2004 22:27:39
Quote from: Babloyi on Sun 18/07/2004 22:21:44
the speakers look like they've been painted on the wall. Give them some perspective, even if it is "cartoonish style". Make their backs smaller than the fronts and show up part of their sides. Fill up the room as it looks kind of empty now. Since it is the characters room maybe a bed, shelf for books and CDs etc. And think up a better name :D
Yeah, the name is really bad =P
It's not the characters bedroom, but it's his guitar-playing room.
Title: Re: Background made in Flash for my new project.
Post by: CoffeeBob on Mon 19/07/2004 10:53:10
I'm so sorry for double posting but, I improved the pic a bit:
(http://img70.photobucket.com/albums/v212/Largo/Shit/quest_bg1_improved.gif)
Should anything be added, removed?
Is it better or worse?
Comments please! ;D
Title: Re: Background made in Flash for my new project. (Better version see post 4)
Post by: Babar on Mon 19/07/2004 12:39:26
you have repeated the same problem again. The records(?) look like they are standing up instead of lying on the floor (as I assume they are meant to be). The speakers still look funny. hehe..The hero must play really loud music by looking at how broken down the room is
Title: Re: Background made in Flash for my new project. (Better version see post 4)
Post by: CoffeeBob on Mon 19/07/2004 14:56:22
Quote from: Babloyi on Mon 19/07/2004 12:39:26
you have repeated the same problem again. The records(?) look like they are standing up instead of lying on the floor (as I assume they are meant to be). The speakers still look funny. hehe..The hero must play really loud music by looking at how broken down the room is
Yeah, he didn't buy those "Deluxe THX-Speakers" for nothing =P
Anyways, I tried to improve it a bit more:
(http://img70.photobucket.com/albums/v212/Largo/Shit/quest_bg1_better.gif)
Title: Re: Background made in Flash for my new project. (Better version see post 4)
Post by: Al_Ninio on Mon 19/07/2004 15:00:49
Your perspective is way off  :-\
Read this, it should help you: http://user.tninet.se/~vqb114l/ilb/tutorials/pers.htm
Title: Re: Background made in Flash for my new project. (Better version see post 6)
Post by: Darth Mandarb on Mon 19/07/2004 19:39:38
Yes, perspective is what's killing this image.

(http://www.twin-design.com/ags/help/largo_help01.gif)
- the red + is the upper vanishing point
- the yellow + is the lower vp
- the green line is the horizon line
- the red lines are the perspective corrections

With this angle of view ... I might suggest removing the black foreground elements.Ã,  They, to me, look out of place and more like shadows on the floor than objects in front of the 'camera'.

Maybe also take a look at some speakers for reference material.

And fix the door knob ... it's a little on the 'wonky' side :)

Good luck and I hope this helps!
Title: Re: Background made in Flash for my new project. (Better version see post 6)
Post by: CoffeeBob on Tue 20/07/2004 09:47:03
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Mon 19/07/2004 19:39:38
Yes, perspective is what's killing this image.

(http://www.twin-design.com/ags/help/largo_help01.gif)
- the red + is the upper vanishing point
- the yellow + is the lower vp
- the green line is the horizon line
- the red lines are the perspective corrections

With this angle of view ... I might suggest removing the black foreground elements.Ã,  They, to me, look out of place and more like shadows on the floor than objects in front of the 'camera'.

Maybe also take a look at some speakers for reference material.

And fix the door knob ... it's a little on the 'wonky' side :)

Good luck and I hope this helps!
Yeah, it really helped. Now I can see what was wrong (was n00bish enough not to see it before. I should've made the poster a seperate layer... It's hard to edit now =/
Title: Re: Background made in Flash for my new project. (Better version see post 6)
Post by: CoffeeBob on Tue 20/07/2004 11:54:12
Sorry for double posting but I tried to improve it a little with help from Darth Mandarb's pic.
Here it is:
(http://img70.photobucket.com/albums/v212/Largo/Shit/quest_bg1_better2.gif)
* Changed the speakers a bit
* Changed the holes in the roof
* Removed foreground objects
* Edited the poster and uh, target-thingy
* Added a Guybrush doll on the floor
Title: Re: Background made in Flash for my new project. (Better version see post 10)
Post by: Tiki on Tue 20/07/2004 14:04:45
That doorknob hurts my eyes.  Try something more like this:
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/largoscrap.gif)
Title: Re: Background made in Flash for my new project. (Better version see post 10)
Post by: CoffeeBob on Tue 20/07/2004 16:21:33
Quote from: TikiTikiMan on Tue 20/07/2004 14:04:45
That doorknob hurts my eyes.Ã,  Try something more like this:
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/largoscrap.gif)
Do you mean I should seperate the doorknob more from the door itself?
Or do you mean that I should redo the doorknob? :-\
Title: Re: Background made in Flash for my new project. (Better version see post 10)
Post by: Tiki on Tue 20/07/2004 16:34:13
well, I switched the doorknob to the other side just because I always do that.  I mostly just made the doorknob smaller.   Your current one is very large.  But, i would also recommend moving a little bit from the outside of the door, like I did.
Title: Re: Background made in Flash for my new project. (Better version see post 10)
Post by: CoffeeBob on Tue 20/07/2004 16:49:02
I changed the door, here's the pic:
(http://img70.photobucket.com/albums/v212/Largo/Shit/quest_bg1_door.gif)
Title: Re: Background made in Flash for my new project. (Better version see post 14)
Post by: NaStY_FrEaK on Tue 20/07/2004 17:26:41
I think you should make the quitar larger ,because it looks like it is as big as the door handle :)
And make the piece from the roof thinner...
Otherwise it`s lookin`good.
Title: Re: Background made in Flash for my new project. (Better version see post 14)
Post by: Darth Mandarb on Tue 20/07/2004 18:03:45
So much better man!Ã,  Great improvement (gotta love the CL!)

Two things I would suggest:
(http://www.twin-design.com/ags/help/largo_help02.gif)x2
- add a border around the door
- add some shadows/shading

Good job!
Title: Re: Background made in Flash for my new project. (Better version see post 14)
Post by: CoffeeBob on Wed 21/07/2004 11:05:24
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Tue 20/07/2004 18:03:45
So much better man!Ã,  Great improvement (gotta love the CL!)

Two things I would suggest:
(http://www.twin-design.com/ags/help/largo_help02.gif)x2
- add a border around the door
- add some shadows/shading

Good job!

That looks very nice! *goes to try it myself*
Thanks for all the help, guys! I'm off to make more bg's.
Title: Re: Background made in Flash for my new project. (Better version see post 14)
Post by: loominous on Wed 21/07/2004 17:46:06
The perspective s still heavily distorted from what I can tell.

While using two vanishing points could be helpful if the roof was tilting downwards (not sure whether it is), it s a bit confusing way to start to learn perspective.

(http://w1.872.telia.com/~u87210460/AGS/largo_help_mod1.gif)

I ve reduced it to a single vanishing point and drew guides to some of the objects.

Microtutorial:

(http://w1.872.telia.com/~u87210460/AGS/largo_help_mod1_tut.gif)

By starting with the floor square you can see how much space it will occupy.

The same thing about the wall. By starting with the square closest to the wall you can relate it to other objects such as doors etc to make sure the height and width corresponds to the room in general.
Title: Re: Background made in Flash for my new project. (Better version see post 14)
Post by: Mr Flibble on Wed 21/07/2004 18:40:12
I have an issue, though its not really about the quality of the picture.

Shouldn't there be a bed, or a wardrobe, or at least part of a bed?
Title: Re: Background made in Flash for my new project. (Better version see post 14)
Post by: 1,000 hours on Wed 21/07/2004 18:52:06
not if it was his jamming room or practising space but yeah, if its a bedroom needs some kinda bed.
Title: Re: Background made in Flash for my new project. (Better version see post 14)
Post by: Mr Flibble on Wed 21/07/2004 19:10:55
Quote from: Largo on Sun 18/07/2004 22:01:56
This is the main characters room:

I take this to mean bed room. I someone said to me "bllah blah in my room" I would think bed room.
Title: Re: Background made in Flash for my new project. (Better version see post 14)
Post by: CoffeeBob on Thu 22/07/2004 11:16:51
Quote from: Mr Flibble on Wed 21/07/2004 19:10:55
Quote from: Largo on Sun 18/07/2004 22:01:56
This is the main characters room:

I take this to mean bed room. I someone said to me "bllah blah in my room" I would think bed room.
I meant that it was his guitar/jamming room, I'm gonna do his bedroom some other time.
BTW, I finally came up with a more decent name for the game, Life of a Rockstar.
What do you think? Should I keep that name?