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Title: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: Kiddie on Sun 16/07/2006 16:06:18
(http://imagesocket.com/images/jimmy12c3.gif)

Posture changes, color suggestions, paint overs, comments and questions all welcome.
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: Krysis on Sun 16/07/2006 16:59:47
He looks 7. Maybe longer legs or smaller head? Don't know. I love it btw.
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: Kiddie on Sun 16/07/2006 20:12:58
7 is fine.  ;D

I'm mostly concerned with the arms. They don't look very natural, and I'm not sure how to correct that.
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: Alynn on Sun 16/07/2006 20:26:28
Um forgive me but, his head is as large as the rest of his body, and you think his arms look unnatural?

They look good from where I'm sitting, then again his arms are behind his back so it's hard to tell how long you have them and what not.
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: Kiddie on Sun 16/07/2006 20:34:30
YOU ARE NOT FORGIVEN!

Heh just kidding. :D But seriously, I more meant the position of the arms being not very comfortable and natural for the character. Not so much concerned with realism, because as you pointed out, it's already very unrealistic. So that's a given.  ;D

Here's an update:

(http://imagesocket.com/images/jimmy2dab.gif)
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: R4L on Sun 16/07/2006 22:32:28
That looks great! But I have a suggestion for the arms. Maybe have him holding the straps of the backpack, like this:

(http://www.yellowstonephoto.com/images/girl_backpack.jpg)
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: ildu on Sun 16/07/2006 23:00:27
A suggestion straight from the early nineties! Looks really good and designy. I would personally come up with a better color combination for the shirt/shorts/shoestripes, add shading to the head and perhaps add something to the forehead.
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: Kiddie on Mon 17/07/2006 18:31:44
more work:

(http://imagesocket.com/images/jimmy6240.gif)

some crits I've heard already (good ol' wife!): arms look thinner and longer in the side view, the wrist to hand is longer than the front view
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: Dig on Mon 17/07/2006 18:49:43
Nooooo! change the haircut! It ruins the character 0.0 (In my opinion)
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: Phemar on Mon 17/07/2006 18:53:56
Quote from: Dig on Mon 17/07/2006 18:49:43
character 0.0
Character 0.0, in beta! ;)

I like the haircut and I dig this character! Good job!
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: ace monkey on Mon 17/07/2006 19:18:21
lol good sprite but the left arm (his right) is longer than the other arm. lol just a minor change and this could be near perfect i think

p.s- add some shading to the head and/or hair (just a suggestion)
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: Kiddie on Mon 17/07/2006 22:05:54
Quote from: Dig on Mon 17/07/2006 18:49:43
Nooooo! change the haircut! It ruins the character 0.0 (In my opinion)

Well please suggest another hair cut.  ;D

Quote from: ace monkey on Mon 17/07/2006 19:18:21
lol good sprite but the left arm (his right) is longer than the other arm. lol just a minor change and this could be near perfect i think

Well he's not standing 100% perfectly straight like a plank of wood. He's a bit relaxed, so he's slightly leaning to one side. That's why the one arm is (1 pixel) longer than the other.  ;)


update:

(http://imagesocket.com/images/jimmynewcolors4f8.gif)

tweaked colors, fixed/changed side view, working on 3/4 view now.
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: Dig on Tue 18/07/2006 01:44:56
Dunno...maybe change the color...it's too similiar too skin. try to scruff it a little bit so it doesn't look so flat
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: Kiddie on Tue 18/07/2006 02:22:11
ok here; if everyone viewing this thread could vote, thatd be great.  ;D

(http://imagesocket.com/images/hairchoice124.gif)
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: Akumayo on Tue 18/07/2006 05:00:24
Though it depends on what you're aiming at, I'm personally most fond of F & E.
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: Evil on Tue 18/07/2006 05:19:59
I fancy A, but if the other characters aren't children, then probably F.
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: jasonjkay on Tue 18/07/2006 13:23:47
Id have to say the hair colour of D & E but the freckles of F, they clear some of the vast empty spaces of his face.
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: Penguinx on Tue 18/07/2006 14:00:42
E. F.
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: strazer on Tue 18/07/2006 15:18:59
A, F
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: MashPotato on Tue 18/07/2006 15:48:24
I like A & F as well, although I suggest toning down the red of the freckles in F just a tad.  (nice sprite, by the way ^_^)
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: skw on Thu 20/07/2006 12:49:51
I won`t tell you which one I like the most, but A & F seems OK.

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There`s a small suggestion, generally just anti-aliasing:

(http://republika.pl/falloutmodding/jimmynewcolors4f8FIX.gif)

(http://republika.pl/falloutmodding/jimmynewcolors4f8FIX.gif) :2X

I`ve used the same number of colors as you, but still don`t know if I hadn`t mixed up anything. It was something around 3 AM and I`m just learning all those pixel techniques. Zoom it up to see what has been changed.

I would also suggest you adding some design to his shirt, plus some folds to make more natural look.

It was funny to do and I hope it will be even a bit helpful.

Good luck!
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: SinSin on Sat 22/07/2006 10:40:49
why dont you make it so that you can select the different hairstyles like sierras mixed up mother goose
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: Kiddie on Sun 23/07/2006 02:26:15
Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I'll keep it at A for now. It'll always be easy to change later.

Some updates:

(http://imagesocket.com/images/uspinmerightroundbaby878.gif)

(http://imagesocket.com/images/nonanimating7d9.gif)

and..

Quote from: Sinsin on Sat 22/07/2006 10:40:49
why dont you make it so that you can select the different hairstyles like sierras mixed up mother goose

because I'm not Sierra.  ;D

Quote from: Skurwy on Thu 20/07/2006 12:49:51
I would also suggest you adding some design to his shirt, plus some folds to make more natural look.

Good luck!

Thanks! I may add a design to the shirt, and/or folds and creases. Problem really is I'm not a very good animator (in fact I hate it), so I'm trying to keep it as simple as possible. Form follows function after all.  ;)
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: Akumayo on Sun 23/07/2006 04:45:06
About your latest update, the first frame (side-view) seems a bit dull when compared to the next frame (also-side-view).  I think you should use frame #2 as the side-view, #3 as the 3/4'ths view, and #4 as the front-facing view.  This may have been what you were already going to do, so I guess I just wanted to say that I think #2 would do better as a side-view than #1.
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: Mad-Hatter on Thu 27/07/2006 02:27:47
Side view # 3 is missing his arms!

(http://imagesocket.com/images/nonanimating7d9.gif )



His arms are missing in side view # 3, so that should be fixed. ^_^
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: ace monkey on Thu 27/07/2006 14:52:27
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA!!!!!!!! :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D i can't believe no ones noticed this before now! i8magine putting that into a game and walking about with no arms HAHAHAHA!  ;D :D ;) :) :P lol you should definatly get that fixed
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: bmovements on Thu 27/07/2006 18:14:41
dude, make him a little bit slimmer, taller, and shrink his head 1/2 the size and make it in more of an egg shape, not a bowling ball.
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: ildu on Thu 27/07/2006 18:19:00
I noticed it. I just thought it was a WIP image. Arms are difficult to draw for 3/4 views.
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: PureGhostGR on Thu 27/07/2006 18:58:34
He looks amazing! I can already see him giving those increadibly funny and smartmouth replies to everything that will be going on in the game.

Great work! ;)
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: Ali on Fri 28/07/2006 11:47:49
This is a really cute character, though the standing frame leans over to screen-left a little. It looks quite natural though, children do slump. It might be nice to have an idle animation where he shifts to leaning screen-right.

Also, when he rotates, he spins around a point below his backpack. I think it would look better if he rotated around a point between his feet. As another small, point, the size of the bag straps changes a little as he spins. Aside from that it looks supergood.

The only other thing I'd suggest would be that you ignore this advice:

Quote from: bmovements on Thu 27/07/2006 18:14:41
dude, make him a little bit slimmer, taller, and shrink his head 1/2 the size and make it in more of an egg shape, not a bowling ball.
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: Kiddie on Sat 29/07/2006 12:42:21
Quote from: "Acqua" Akumayo on Sun 23/07/2006 04:45:06
About your latest update, the first frame (side-view) seems a bit dull when compared to the next frame (also-side-view).  I think you should use frame #2 as the side-view, #3 as the 3/4'ths view, and #4 as the front-facing view.  This may have been what you were already going to do, so I guess I just wanted to say that I think #2 would do better as a side-view than #1.

Yeah I was planning on that. Basically like in MI2 (I believe), Guybrush has a straight side view for walking, and when he stops, he has a more 3/4ish view. So that's what that's for. Or something like that.  :P

Quote from: Mad-Hatter on Thu 27/07/2006 02:27:47
Side view # 3 is missing his arms!

His arms are missing in side view # 3, so that should be fixed. ^_^

I know.  :-\

Quote from: ace monkey on Thu 27/07/2006 14:52:27
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA!!!!!!!! :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D i can't believe no ones noticed this before now! i8magine putting that into a game and walking about with no arms HAHAHAHA!  ;D :D ;) :) :P lol you should definatly get that fixed

Right....

Quote from: bmovements on Thu 27/07/2006 18:14:41
dude, make him a little bit slimmer, taller, and shrink his head 1/2 the size and make it in more of an egg shape, not a bowling ball.

But he's supposed to be a little kid. Sort of a cross between Southpark and the Simpsons. We're not going for realism here.  :)

Quote from: PureGhostGR on Thu 27/07/2006 18:58:34
He looks amazing! I can already see him giving those increadibly funny and smartmouth replies to everything that will be going on in the game.

Great work! ;)

Thanks!  ;D

Quote from: Ali on Fri 28/07/2006 11:47:49
This is a really cute character, though the standing frame leans over to screen-left a little. It looks quite natural though, children do slump. It might be nice to have an idle animation where he shifts to leaning screen-right.

Also, when he rotates, he spins around a point below his backpack. I think it would look better if he rotated around a point between his feet. As another small, point, the size of the bag straps changes a little as he spins. Aside from that it looks supergood.

The only other thing I'd suggest would be that you ignore this advice:

Quote from: bmovements on Thu 27/07/2006 18:14:41
dude, make him a little bit slimmer, taller, and shrink his head 1/2 the size and make it in more of an egg shape, not a bowling ball.

Yeah the slight slump was intentional.  :) Not only a characteristic of kids, but just an attempt to make him more natural and not so symmetrical and robotic.

Yeah the spinning animation was mostly just a temporary thing to see how it looked in psuedo-3d. The rotation point will be corrected when the sprites are finished.

Bag straps, yup, working on it.  ;D

Thanks for the comments everyone! It's coming along pretty well I think. I'll update soon with more pics.

edit: here's that update:

(http://imagesocket.com/images/littlejimmy585.gif)
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: Paper Carnival on Sun 30/07/2006 14:20:09
This is pretty awesome, but I liked the blue trousers more.
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: Kiddie on Sun 30/07/2006 18:24:38
He walks!  ;D

(http://imagesocket.com/images/heswalkingsorta3f41.gif)
Title: Re: C&C for 11 year old character
Post by: Mad-Hatter on Mon 31/07/2006 22:23:05
It seems to have gone under some good improvements.


In the rotation animation two posts above this one, I notice that when he's completely at his side his left foot seems to disappear.

I realize this is supposed to be because it's hidden behind his right foot from that particular pov, but I would suggest making it stand out a little bit more, like being able to see the heel of his foot, because very few people stand with their feet perfectly aligned.