Hi all. Again I throw my sketches in here to see if they are up to par. I've got a deal going in another forum where I am drawing folks rpg characters, and I drew this one up for a guy, and was told she looked like a male to female transexual. Ouch, eh? Was wondering your opinions, and maybe some pointers as always. Thanks.
Beyond the normal issues I have, I know the left eye and face are kinda wonky, but it's always good to discuss these things.
(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1415/razorblade6og.jpg)
Maybe wider shoulders? It looks like more of a manly woman then a man being a woman. Many fighter type characters can look manly because they have manly traits. At a last resort add a 5 o'clock shadow.
Imo, the chin is too big and the jaw-bone could be smoother or smaller.
A thinner neck would make her look more feminie.
I think smoothing out the cheek or lower it some would help too.
EDIT: I made a hasty paintover, hope you dont mind, with my suggestions.. Maybe its too anime.
EDIT2: Some pointer on the face anatomy, the ear should be more to the right.
In general you can say that the mouth should be on the 1/3(first third???) between the nose and chin (the 1/3 closer to the nose that is).
(http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/5418/razorblade6og0lu.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Quote from: Evil on Thu 16/02/2006 05:01:18
Maybe wider shoulders? It looks like more of a manly woman then a man being a woman. Many fighter type characters can look manly because they have manly traits. At a last resort add a 5 o'clock shadow.
Heh, no no. I don't want her to look like a man, but after drawing it was told that she did...heh.
I agree with zynds edit, the female chin line is more angular then that flat one you gave her. Maybe a shorter neck too?
Hmm, good drawing, it reminds me of Shadowrun character drawings. I used to play paper-and-pencil RPGs a lot, but nowadays (and here in the States) I don't know of anyone who would play (also in may age group :) )
I'd change the hands a bit, they look too manly. Women have smaller hands with smoother curves, not such hard corners. I lack the skill to do any meaingful paintover.
Anatomy isn't my thing at all, but ive given it a go:
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/danpaintoverwoman.jpg)
Basically i just think its lacking the shape and subtleties to suggest its a woman. Smaller hands, dainty shoulders, thinner arms, curvy waist etc. I also think the face is too long and muscular as mentioned. Ive adjusted the post slightly too. Hope it helps.
Hm.. i think she certainly looks like a woman. Maybe not a very pretty one, but woman nonetheless. I think that's your style- hard and rough.. and it works.
However, you could go with Zyndikate's subtle edit on her face. It's still your style but more elegant.
Dan's edit certainly is the most feminine, so if the guy wants pretty girl, it's the way to go. I'm just not sure if it will fit your style.
in my opinon it looks like a man in drag......... you need to make the chin less manley.... more feminin........
She looks like she has implants. They are too round.
OK well the chin, as mentioned by many..
That eye is very wonky but you knew that...
Now lets get to the good stuff, her breasts are way to low!
nothing that perky can be on your stomach... Bring them up a little the size just looks funy because they that low, which in turn makes the upper torso about a centimetre to long.
Lastly her hands dont look feminine IMO
some notes on comparative male/female facial anatomy:
1) female jaw and chin are smaller
2) female forehead is rounder, and brow is less pronounced
3) females cheek bones are fuller, rounder, and extend down the face farther
4) female mouth is closer to tip of nose
5) females eyes are slightly closer together, and tend to have a prettier shape than male eyes.
6) female lips tend to be more 'pouty'
7) female hairline is slightly lower down the forehead
...well, that's all i can think of at the moment,....
Coludnt resist adding colour... lol erm... made the chin more feminin
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/RPG_woman1.png)
I dont know I like zindikates chin more...
Quote from: Igor on Thu 16/02/2006 12:38:10
Dan's edit certainly is the most feminine, so if the guy wants pretty girl, it's the way to go. I'm just not sure if it will fit your style.
Yeah, I agree. Your drawing has great style. I'm a fan of your artwork.Ã, I would go with zyndikate's subtle edit on the chin, and perhaps a bit more shapely on the waist.
I'm curious did you draw that with pencils and then flashify it, or direct with an art tablet?
"I drew this one up for a guy, and was told she looked like a male to female transexual."
Hah, I took it as you were drawing a transexual for someone. You never know with some of those RPG players.
Well, I would pull the top of the nose in some so it's not so "Roman", is that the term?
(http://www.american-rhinologic.org/images/side.jpg)
It recesses right at the eye. That might help with some of the length of the face.
Okay, sorry about not replying until now, I was just hoping to have something to show before I wasted another post.
Ionias
Thank you. I draw in pencil and then ink with micron pens, so no flash here heh. The inking is easily the longest part of the process though.
I took a step back and realized that the face was way too manly as mentioned, I screwed around with the guy I drew the pic for and said this one was the edit:
(http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/9526/razorblade27ro.th.jpg) (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=razorblade27ro.jpg)
But when you see it like that, it's painfully clear that he/she is a manly d00d.
I have been hitting the anatomy book hard the last few days, and here is my new attempt. Thanks everyone for the crits, you all help me to understand and improve my art, and if it wasn't for this awesome forum, I would be much worse.
(http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/5757/razorsketch9in.th.jpg) (http://img489.imageshack.us/my.php?image=razorsketch9in.jpg)
Of course, just a sketch at this point, any more crits?
SHE my dear Squinky looks like a ... Woman :D
Concept art looks good thus far!
Great work, practicing and studying anatome never is a bad thing.
Some c&c on the new picture:
1.The chin is still a little square for my taste, try to think curves when drawing someone fenimin.
2.The hair should be a little lower also, the forehead looks small atm.
3.I dont know If you went for a CRAZY look, if you did, great work in the eyes, could been a little smaller i think. If you didnt, try to contact the pupils wits the eyelash (if you understand my poor english)
4.Think i longered the nose a bit, the mouth was a little to much down.
Here is a paintover with the suggestions from above:
(http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/4064/razorsketch9in5yi.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
the body anatomy looks ok. Keep up the good work, it will pay off :>
This is all my opinion, if you dont agree its np :P
Yup, the woman in the sketch is actually slightly attractive!
You got the female shape down a lot better.
One eye is bigger than the other though, no? (unless intentional, although whenever I draw a human I always bodge up one eye)
edit: I see that zyndicate changed the eye shape!
Yea, but my eyes is somewhat missaligned and off(on the picture that is), but just to make my point clear. Her ear should probably be a little higher, didnt notice when I miss aligned the eyes though. me and my quick paintovers.
The new sketch looks good. In my opinion, however, it misses the energy and uniqueness of the original. It's more.. generic?
Also some anatomic&posing shortcomings are now much more evidential (such "round" style requires completely accurate anathomy or it won't look good).
Don't get me wrong, i think it still looks very good.. but i like the first one better :)
Ill say: Work on perfecting the anatomy, when you mastered anatomy you can probably make it any style you want, even if it would feel like a "backstep" it will pay off bigtime..
Myself was very hard into anime, but I recently started to study gloomis etc, if you can draw the real thing then you will be able to adept any style.. practicing drawing is always practicing drawing.. I wish I started learning the real thing from the beginning, but I didnt so now Im practicing and trying my best.
Just my 5cents :>
Yeah, her eyes do look frigging crazy don't they?
I'll take another stab at her in a bit, although I think Mr. Zyndikate's edit (very much appreciated) is pretty manga/ anime styled, but then again, I did over do her eye size, so I can see that assumption popping up. I don't really want to draw the cookie cutter skinny woman you see everybody drawing, but I sure don't want to have people ever mistake a female drawing of mine for a male again. Kinda is a blow to the ego....
And on the anatomy, I've been trying to warm up with a good bit of just anatomy practice before I do any real art, about an hour when I wake up, and I sit and do some up at night if all works well. So, I'm hopeing it will sink in quickly.
Thanks again.
Edit----Whelp, fixed her up a bit and inked. Calling it done on this character, but I gotta do a bunch more women according to my request list over there, so I might post the next one up so I can refine the woman thing some more. Thanks again all.
(http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4117/unmanlyrazor6kv.th.jpg) (http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unmanlyrazor6kv.jpg)
That is a great final edit. You've got the style of the first one back, but now she is 100% all woman. Nice work. My only critique would be her ear. It needs just a slight touch up to fit in with the sleeker face.
Yeah, the ear is weird now, since I moved the hair and stuff down as suggested. Thanks again Ionias.
Okay, heres the next woman in line, a healer type/half indian/shaman gal. Is she okay? Hit me with the crits if I'm not starting to get to greedy. (And yeah, I need to stop using the crap-ass photoshop backgrounds, I know.)
(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1684/nvwati5il.th.jpg) (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nvwati5il.jpg)
Yeah, lose the backgrounds.
You've gotten better - again. She looks distinctively female, which was your trouble before, pretty and all. You acessorize the characters pretty hardcore, but you've always done that and it has it's charm. Maybe it's time you started working on implying shading with the inking, not just texture. My biggest crit is that right now, there's about even amount of detail all-over. Don't be afraid of white space. Use more detail where you want the eye to be drawn at. And unless you plan to colour everything in a different way, be it pc or whatever, start using black as a tool as well. Right now you're not. Places where you want to imply darkness? Don't be afraid of pure black. Transist between pure black and pure white with various techniques, maybe cross-hatching, maybe feathering, maybe even harsh noise springling, whatever. Try things, your lineart can handle them.
Oh yeah, the head I think is a little small for the body, probably a bit high too, but nitpick.
This one definitely looks female and cute. The only problem I see is the left shoulder, it doesn't seem to be far enough from her neck, great work though.
Its great, reminds me of someone though, but I guess thats a good sign. anyway if I can make a critic its that one breast seems bigger then the other, as well they don't really seem to be on the same angle as her body.
I mean, her bodys tilted one direction and her breasts in another. just my humble opinion.
Coolness.
I've gotten to the point where I am kinda tired with my way of texturing/detailing, because it does seem to all look the same, but it's like a sick disease, I cant stop. I've fooled around with different tones, and I'll keep fooling.
Thanks for the tips guys.