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Title: Guess her job...
Post by: Technocrat on Tue 26/04/2011 15:30:11
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/Nedraed/Nancy.png)
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/Nedraed/Nancy-2.png)
Well, I'm practicing a slightly different style, and I want to make sure that people, at a glance, can have a fair guess at what this young woman's occupation is, based on the way she's dressed.

I'll put up a 4-direction tomorrow, when I've finished it!
So, any suggestions to improve on how she looks before I get on to making the rest of her would be extremely useful!

Edit: New bits - see latest posts

(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/Nedraed/NeoNancy.png)
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/Nedraed/Walkleft.gif)
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/Nedraed/Walkright.gif)
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: qptain Nemo on Tue 26/04/2011 15:44:59
A bloody WHORE.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: WHAM on Tue 26/04/2011 15:59:06
I'd also go with a cheap call-girl.
Or perhaps one of those poor girls in those degrading bikini car-washes.

Yum!

On suggestions: her boobies seem to end quite low at the moment, almost at the level of her belly-button. I suggest either making 'em smaller, or making her tummy taller.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: cat on Tue 26/04/2011 16:05:00
I think she is a dancer (but an erotic one that does not put off her clothes)

I like her hair and her face, but her pants are not shaded very well. If you want outlines, consider using a different color for shading.

The two colors of her top are way too similar, make them more different.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: ThreeOhFour on Tue 26/04/2011 16:32:22
Here's a quick paintover:

(http://i.imgur.com/EVsV4.png)

Just a few easy changes for things that caught my eye.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Technocrat on Tue 26/04/2011 16:36:55
Quote from: Ben304 on Tue 26/04/2011 16:32:22
Here's a quick paintover:

(http://i.imgur.com/EVsV4.png)

Just a few easy changes for things that caught my eye.

haha, mine looks so downright amateurish compared to that!

And the first guess by qptain Nemo was spot on - she is indeed, a WHORE (exactly the word I'd been thinking of, in fact)
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Anian on Tue 26/04/2011 17:12:37
...not that there's anything rong with them, but maybe fishnet stockings would help the overall look? And a purse, she's even got the hand in a correct position to add a purse there.
Uh, and make sure she's chewing gum or something. Ok, that's enough of my movie depiction of the night ladies.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: WHAM on Tue 26/04/2011 17:43:29
anian just gave me a flashback from the original Leisure Suit Larry... Gah!
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: cianty on Tue 26/04/2011 19:02:09
Funny... when I read the thread title, clicked on it, while the page was loading and I was thinking about what to expect... guess what I did expect to come up... ::)
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: on Tue 26/04/2011 20:07:41
Primary school teacher...

.....Oh.

::)
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: TheRoger on Tue 26/04/2011 20:10:41
Hmm...I thought she cleans cars.
Like these girls:
(http://www.ivanicdoo.com/images/1221576017_car_wash_girls.jpg)

That's one dirty car...  ;D
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Hudders on Tue 26/04/2011 20:19:16
Scandalous!  :o
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Anian on Tue 26/04/2011 20:27:48
Quote from: Hudders on Tue 26/04/2011 20:19:16
Scandalous!  :o
??? ...but that car is my idol.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Tabata on Tue 26/04/2011 23:13:02
My first thought was about those waitresses on rollerblades, but the blades are missing.

Second one goes to a whore, but the pouch is missing. As a typical sign they swing it while going along the street, always in competitors to their hips.

So I ended up with a teenie, who's not quite knowing how to dress in a sexy way (like first try from young girls with makeup). They often fail and it ends in looking like a whore, but that's no job.

... but the girl TheRoger came up with fits more to it - of course he was only remembering it because of this wonderful car   ;)   - so I would believe it to be a car-washing-girl
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: on Wed 27/04/2011 02:04:38
Sophia Hapgood in 1985!
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Igor Hardy on Wed 27/04/2011 02:17:12
Wow! Will this be the heroine of the next Technobabylon?
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Technocrat on Wed 27/04/2011 14:47:08
Quote from: Ascovel on Wed 27/04/2011 02:17:12
Wow! Will this be the heroine of the next Technobabylon?

That would be quite a shift in style if she were in Technobabylon 4 - Tabata will be furious, but this isn't Technobabylon I'm doing it for at the moment - I've got a secondary project in mind!

(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/Nedraed/Nancy-1.png)
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/Nedraed/Nancy-1.png)

So, having borrowed/outright stolen a few elements of style from Ben304's style, here's a revamped Nancy the Happy Whore, from a front view as well. I'm thinking of giving her the purse soon (a visible excuse for an inventory!), I guess that would go better in her right hand than her left.

Quote from: TheRoger on Tue 26/04/2011 20:10:41
GIRLS+CARS

Do I need a car-washing mini-game in this?
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: TheRoger on Wed 27/04/2011 14:50:10
damn...I duplicated... don't know how to erase.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: TheRoger on Wed 27/04/2011 14:51:56
Quote from: TheRoger on Wed 27/04/2011 14:50:10
Do I need a car-washing mini-game in this?

Well that would be BIG plus  ;D
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Calin Leafshade on Wed 27/04/2011 16:41:07
Accountant.

no wait...

Tax Accountant.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Mad on Wed 27/04/2011 16:47:52
...fiddled about with it:

(http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab12/Mad1978/SlutPO.png)


- changed her eyeshadow to slutty green. Before, it kind of look like bushy eyebrows.

- made her a little less top heavy.

- lowered the stomache. In my eyes, your version gives the impression of her constantly pushing her pelvis forward. (Maybe comes with the job description!)

- somehow liked the idea of tight jeans hot pants! ;D

- generally pushed some pixels here and there.


Overall, I really like the design, and would try to make the anatomy as realistic as possible without losing the cartoony feel.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Atelier on Wed 27/04/2011 16:50:37
Quote from: Mad on Wed 27/04/2011 16:47:52
...fiddled about with it

Whoa steady on dude!
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Mad on Wed 27/04/2011 18:56:12
Quote from: Atelier on Wed 27/04/2011 16:50:37
Quote from: Mad on Wed 27/04/2011 16:47:52
...fiddled about with it

Whoa steady on dude!

No worries, wasn't too expensive!
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Tabata on Wed 27/04/2011 19:14:15
Quote from: Technocrat on Wed 27/04/2011 14:47:08... I've got a secondary project in mind!
(http://smilies-smilies.de/smilies/angst_smilies/mausangst.gif)


Quote from: Technocrat on Wed 27/04/2011 14:47:08
...Tabata will be furious, but this isn't Technobabylon I'm doing it for at the moment ...

                          (http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Wut/smilie_wut_079.gif)
Should I send you lots of disguised messages about what your first priority is!?

    *whispering ,,trust me"*      priority: part 4, part 4, ... (http://youtu.be/s46SgIBpQ-Q)     *whispering ,,trust me"*


Quote from: Technocrat on Wed 27/04/2011 14:47:08
Do I need a car-washing mini-game in this?

                     (http://smilies-smilies.de/smilies/community/ja.gif)
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Technocrat on Thu 28/04/2011 15:13:31
Quote from: Mad on Wed 27/04/2011 16:47:52
...fiddled about with it:



Aah, slutty eyeliner. I was thinking green would probably be a good colour for it, and you've shown me that's definitely the case.

(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/Nedraed/Nancy-2.png)

Now I've done her from behind (hur hur hur), and altered a bit on the side view to accomodate Mad's suggestions on there too.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Anian on Thu 28/04/2011 15:19:01
Is that a tramp stamp above the buttocks? Nice.  ;D

Btw. I think her left (our right) breast is slightly too wide (a pixel perhaps) than the other one, in the front view.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Technocrat on Thu 28/04/2011 15:41:53
Quote from: anian on Thu 28/04/2011 15:19:01
Is that a tramp stamp above the buttocks? Nice.  ;D


I figured people have to have something to look at on the back view!
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Calin Leafshade on Thu 28/04/2011 17:27:33
... systems analyst
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: CaptainD on Sat 30/04/2011 18:22:17
Quote from: Calin Leafshade on Thu 28/04/2011 17:27:33
... systems analyst

Don't be daft, she's clearly a Complex Discharge Liaison Nurse.  (Yes, that is a real job title!)
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Armageddon on Sat 30/04/2011 21:02:36
I don't know why I noticed this but HER left boob is larger or has more coverage than her right. :-[
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: cat on Sun 01/05/2011 09:05:25
Quote from: Armageddon on Sat 30/04/2011 21:02:36
I don't know why I noticed this but HER left boob is larger or has more coverage than her right. :-[

Well, that only means that she is dextral. Many right handed woman have a slightly larger left boob.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Stupot on Mon 02/05/2011 16:50:37
Well, that's tonight sorted.  Don't even need to open up Megarotic today.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Mad on Mon 02/05/2011 17:05:52
I think the 3/4 view doesn't quite fit, so I've touched her it up a bit:

(http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab12/Mad1978/SlutPO02.png)
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Technocrat on Tue 03/05/2011 13:52:32
Quote from: Stupot on Mon 02/05/2011 16:50:37
Well, that's tonight sorted.  Don't even need to open up Megarotic today.

I do...it's for inspiration, I swear...

We've got a few days of school holiday coming up, so I should have a walkcycle or several finished by the end of the weekend. Or should I say, strut-cycle?
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Uhfgood on Tue 14/06/2011 06:28:50
Don't forget the fishnets...
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: FamousAdventurer77 on Fri 17/06/2011 07:02:28
Quote from: Calin Leafshade on Wed 27/04/2011 16:41:07
Accountant.

no wait...

Tax Accountant.

Hey! :P

Well, there's a reason my client retention rate is high ;D

I think the slutty eyeliner looks good and so's the green eyeshadow but a bit redundant since her eyes are green-- I think blue or brown eyes might work better.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Khris on Fri 17/06/2011 09:18:45
This thread was pretty much dug up.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Technocrat on Sun 19/06/2011 00:43:04
Quote from: Khris on Fri 17/06/2011 09:18:45
This thread was pretty much dug up.

Well, while we're archaeologising, here's a walkcycle for her:

(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/Nedraed/Nancy-3.gif)

I've been trying to put more...bounce...than I usually have in animations, not sure it's worked in the hair, but the other more prurient bounces seem to work. :3
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: NickyNyce on Sun 19/06/2011 03:40:36
Kind of hard to look at her hair while Im watching her chestcycle...I mean walkcycle.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: cat on Sun 19/06/2011 08:14:06
I think she looks a bit sad because her head is hanging too much in the front.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Tabata on Sun 19/06/2011 09:58:45
I like the animation very much (including the hair)!  (http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm313/DXcellence/Smilies/eusa_clap.gif)
It is suitable for a spirited girl like the one, you told about and showed us.


There is only one little point, I don't understand
or better - which doesn't really fit (in my personal opinion)
and since this is the critics-lounge, I may be allowed to tell about (http://www.adventure-treff.de/forum/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif):

Her boobs are like not belonging to the animation and seem to be “pasted” at the background.
They are not too big, so why don't they „follow“ the movements of the body?

Well, when I am moving, my do follow.  ;D
Even if they are too big to do so at the same time, but they will do
and only to make this note a bit sweeter clear ...
like here
          (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-char-004.gif)

So therefor it seems to me, there are some forgotten pixels at this part of the gif, because there is no movement.  ::)
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Anian on Sun 19/06/2011 10:12:58
Quote from: Tabata on Sun 19/06/2011 09:58:45
So therefor it seems to me, there are some forgotten pixels at this part of the gif, because there is no movement.  ::)
But they do jiggle a bit, look at it more closely...not that I am against extra jiggling.  ;D

The thing that kind of nags me, even though it's a good walk cycle, can you really walk like that in high heels? She seems to be walking on her heels instead of on her toes...I could be wrong, I never wore women' shoes with heels. But this might be corrected if it's an NPC, if she's the player chracter then it's better to stay like this so she can walk (as in move around the screen) at normal speed.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: SpacePirateCaine on Sun 19/06/2011 10:16:58
Hey Technocrat - just thought I'd offer a little input on your animation - your kinetics on her breasts are a little off. They are more liquid, and behave more like a water balloon than a balloon filled with air. At the moment the way you have her, her breasts sort of float. What you want is more of a dramatic transition as gravity continues to pull down when she begins her upstep. I've edited basically only the breasts in this, but hope that it helps (I've gotten way too much practice animating boobies while working on KI).

(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/SpacePirateCaine/Nancy-3.gif)
Hopefully this helps.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Khris on Sun 19/06/2011 10:24:54
I'd ditch the bouncing boobies entirely. She's walking, not jogging, so even with bigger breasts, there's hardly any movement at all.
The problem with the original walk-cycle was that the leftmost column of boob pixels wasn't moving at all.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Tabata on Sun 19/06/2011 10:50:26
Quote from: anian on Sun 19/06/2011 10:12:58
Quote from: Tabata on Sun 19/06/2011 09:58:45
So therefor it seems to me, there are some forgotten pixels at this part of the gif, because there is no movement.  ::)
But they do jiggle a bit, look at it more closely...not that I am against extra jiggling.  ;D

Oh,, I did! Very intensive -  to find the "strange point".  ;)
And most of the time, when switching between the images you will find the move of the body, without this part.
And while watching the animation, this gives the impression I told about (Well, I tried to do so).


Quote from: SpacE3PiratE3CainE3 on Sun 19/06/2011 10:16:58
I've gotten way too much practice animating boobies while working on KI).

(http://www.bildermonster24.de/images/793_omg2.gif), please no!
This jiggeling is animated fine, but it's much too strong for this young girl (for not to say it's not needed).


What have I done - I shouldn't have mentioned it - (http://foolstown.com/sm/pom.gif)


Edit:
I didn't want to, but I have to  ...
so here is, what I think whould be better for this lady
(who is young, has a not too big size and is wearing a bra):
(http://www.bildermonster24.de/images/692_Nancy_3_tab.gif)
No jiggeling and simply moving together with the body.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Secret Fawful on Sun 19/06/2011 12:22:17
Tabata is right. Her jiggling around looks really unnatural, like she's stuffed something in her bra, or she has a dong on her chest. Well, I apologize. That's disgusting, but still, it looks really unnatural for someone with that build to have any jiggle.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: SpacePirateCaine on Sun 19/06/2011 12:42:48
Since the art style is particularly caricaturized and Technocrat obviously wants to draw attention to his prostitute character's breasts, I think that the jiggling works. Of course it isn't realistic - neither are her proportions. Otherwise her head would crush her shoulders.

I think it really depends on what Technocrat's trying to accomplish with this character. If it's comedy, jiggle away! If it's more serious, Tabata's edit works really well.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Matti on Sun 19/06/2011 12:50:49
Jiggling or not, I think the ponytail looks a bit stiff and could move a tad smoother.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Technocrat on Sun 19/06/2011 18:05:23
Caine's quite right, the jiggle is supposed to be exaggerated rather than realistic (if I could do so without making it look outright wrong, she would frankly be better endowed). I'm going for "comic oversexualisation", so the waterballoon look is appropriate I think - many thanks for making it look a bit more effective! She's the PC, so the way her feet move is intended for making the animation work with the walking speed.

So, here's another redo, with Caine's physics additions, and making the hair a bit less stiff and rigid. Also accentuated the hips a bit.

(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/Nedraed/NancyJiggle.gif)
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Tuomas on Sun 19/06/2011 18:43:13
Still, when walking on really high heels, you don't put your feet on the ground heel first, but pretty much fllat because the high heel won't support you like in some army boots etc.. That's why they have to bring the hip a bit forward too. It kind of looks like she's marching down with a rifle on her shoulder.

check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usrs6cm2vQg
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: cat on Mon 20/06/2011 08:32:08
She's not really wearing high heels. With the heels she is wearing even I could walk easily.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Tuomas on Mon 20/06/2011 09:12:14
High enough for me :D Although they do look higher in the the posture without animation
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Technocrat on Tue 17/01/2012 23:22:32


(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/Nedraed/NeoNancy.png)
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/Nedraed/Walkleft.gif)
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/Nedraed/Walkright.gif)

Right, I've been doing a bit more work on this upstanding young lady, and realised that her walk was a bit too...functional. After all, anyone can swing their arms. So, I decided to make her look a bit more "hooker" in her walk, with her hand-on-hip strut, and a bit of a makeover that a year of extra experience can give.

While I think the hand-on-hip in the walkcycle looks alright on the right-walking cycle, it doesn't seem to look quite right on the left-walking. A bit too much movement for the hand on the hip?
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: cat on Thu 19/01/2012 10:00:51
The length of the upper arm seems to change instead of the angle between upper and lower arm. I think that's teh main issue.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Dualnames on Thu 19/01/2012 11:58:44
Looks like she's skating really. Those are heels, and she looks like she's standing on the heel part. Unless, of course I'm utterly mistaken.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Akatosh on Thu 02/02/2012 22:46:20
I was honestly expecting to see the maid catgirl again.

... why, no, I have nothing constructive to say.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Tabata on Thu 02/02/2012 23:40:27
The knees are almost not bent.
For me that looks a bit stiff and falls on particularly strong because the upper body is very mobile. (http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/12962/2cents.gif)
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens on Wed 15/02/2012 07:34:27
Apparently, properly walking with heels means putting down the heel first just like with all other shoes (except for stairs).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=-NsqfS1wU7M
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Anian on Wed 15/02/2012 08:25:22
Quote from: ProgZmax on Wed 15/02/2012 07:34:27
Apparently, properly walking with heels means putting down the heel first just like with all other shoes (except for stairs).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=-NsqfS1wU7M
Heels first and walk like you're doing a driver's intoxication test and you too can walk like a pro.  ;D
But yeah, I think this video is actually helpfull for animating.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: LetterAfterZ on Wed 15/02/2012 12:41:03
Really like the art style.

The things that look odd to me are:

- The stride is way too fast. I'd slow it down a lot.
- Her legs aren't really bending at all, so it looks like she's sprained her leg and is limping.
- I'd exaggerate the heel to toe action alot more (watch that walking in heels video for reference, I'd say)

Overall the animation rocks, just the details (as always I'm sure!)
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Technocrat on Wed 15/02/2012 21:40:47
Well, I hadn't expected to see this leap up again - I'll get a redo of her walkcycle done shortly. I've got up-down done as well, though they've got things that even I can see needs dealing with. I like that source Progz, I'll make use of it in making the movement of her feet more pronounced.

(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/Nedraed/S1BathroomDemo.png)

Anyway, here's a scene she's in, so you can see what kind of background she's getting to work with.
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Anian on Wed 15/02/2012 22:00:56
Heh, nice background, but I'd just take it easy (as in not do it) with the gradients, like the one on the green toilet wall and on the tiles and right side in the corner of the room - they kind of stand off from the character style (or rather it makes the character seem less refined).
Title: Re: Guess her job...
Post by: Ali on Thu 16/02/2012 00:32:49
I think the background looks nice and dynamic, and it has the feel of Sam and Max about it. I wouldn't mind seeing a bit of anti-aliasing though, particularly around the door and window where it looks very jagged. It certainly feels like it's missing when contrasted with soft reflections on the floor.

I think the 3/4 view of the character looks great, but I must chime in against the breast-jiggle effect. I don't think you have the physics right in the latest version. Her breasts look like they remain static on the screen, occasionally jumping up a bit, which looks odd rather than sexy.

Even if the physics was right and it did look sexy, it would put me off playing the game. Because I want to see a personality rather than an object of semi-comic lust.

Have I missed the point of the internet here...?