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Title: king of rock 2- 3rd background
Post by: viktor on Wed 09/06/2004 17:17:33
This is the newest background. It's a park. But something isn't right and I can't figure it aout. Can you help me please.

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/park4.PNG)
Title: Re: new background. Please help...
Post by: Sam. on Wed 09/06/2004 17:23:10
i edited the window for you. hope you like it.
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/room4rock.gif)
Title: Re: new background. Please help...
Post by: Czar on Wed 09/06/2004 17:28:20
i think it's a bit better but now it looks like its just been framed and glassed...
Title: Re: new background. Please help...
Post by: viktor on Wed 09/06/2004 18:13:53
i think so to but It definetly looks beter. But it still looks flat.  :-[
Title: Re: new background. Please help...
Post by: TheDude on Wed 09/06/2004 20:34:25
Here's some edits, you just needed to add the inside "faces" to the frame.

(http://www.otaku-universe.com/~narutoz/1kitchen1.png)

(http://www.otaku-universe.com/~narutoz/1kitchen2.png)
Title: Re: new background. Please help...
Post by: Ashen on Wed 09/06/2004 20:43:08
TheDude has a point, but I think you need to add even more depth - as is is the wall of that apartment is paper thin. Make the 'inside faces' thicker, or maybe add a wall outside.

Also, the perspective of the window seems off - the top frame should be higher on the right than on the left. This isn't such a big thing, as the whole BG has a warped perspective, it's just that, to me, the window looks tiny, which might be adding to the 'looks more like a picture' thing.
Title: Re: new background. Please help...
Post by: viktor on Wed 09/06/2004 21:00:44
Cool it worked. Thanx. How does it look now in your opinion?

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/kitchen2.PNG)
Title: Re: new background. Please help...
Post by: Damien on Wed 09/06/2004 21:04:58
Better, I suggest moving the frame to the center of the wall and adding the window-sill, maybe curtains, etc.
Title: Re: new background. Please help...
Post by: Daz on Wed 09/06/2004 21:18:38
i tried an edit

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/room4rock.pngedithelp.png)

i changed the colour of the walls and floor, added more shadows and fixed some perspective probs, i think

hope it helped

-Daz
Title: Re: new background. Please help...
Post by: Andail on Wed 09/06/2004 21:26:26
I think it looks cool, the amount of details shows you've put a lot of work on it, and the cartoony style is sort of cheerful. I'm sure it will work well in a game.

Daz' update works well too; it's slightly cleaner and the shadows- albeit not very consequental - helps liven up the scene
Title: Re: new background. Please help...
Post by: Dan2552 on Wed 09/06/2004 22:31:32
I prefer Daz's color.  :o so much easier for the eyes
and i like viktor's window frame
and Zootyfruit's window ::)
Title: Re: new background. Please help...
Post by: Ashen on Wed 09/06/2004 23:47:40
My version, using Daz's colours, and Zootyfruit's window, kind of...

http://www.geocities.com/whoismonkey/window.htm

Daz's colours are easier on the eyes, as Dan2552 said, but it depends on the mood you want. Your colours would probably be better for a slightly seedy, cheap, bachelor-pad kind of place, in which case you might want to trash the place a little (doors hanging off cupboards, peeling paper, etc).
Title: Re: new background. Please help...
Post by: Cerulean on Thu 10/06/2004 00:17:06
Your window has a common problem: the world outside doesn't follow the perspective of your house. We should see a horizon cutting somwehere through the middle there, with ground under it.
Title: Re: new background. Please help...
Post by: Phemar on Thu 10/06/2004 05:58:56

That window is still waaaay out of perspective, but it's improving. But I like the BG. I love the BG, yup.
Title: Re: new background. Please help...
Post by: viktor on Thu 10/06/2004 16:31:48
here is the latest edit. I changed the color as it was sugested and I modified the window a bit again.  I left everithing unchanged. The table is so big for a reason. It actualy fils up the room so...  :P
But seriously I think that this background turned out great. Thanx!

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/kitchen3.PNG)
Title: Re: new background. Please help...
Post by: Darth Mandarb on Thu 10/06/2004 16:41:14
Cityscapes were never my strong point ...

(http://www.twin-design.com/ags/help/viktor_help01.gif)

I like the background ... the only thing that was buggin' me was the outside of the window.
Title: Re: new background. Please help...
Post by: YOke on Thu 10/06/2004 18:17:49
I'm no expert at this, but I don't think you would be able to see the horizon through the window...
I always put the vanishing point(s) on the horizon because it looks right to me. The vanishing point in the picture is somewhere in the middle of the back wall (somewhere around the first knob on the left on the cupboard over the sink), going OVER the window. When the horizon is placed lower it looks (to me) like the room is at an angle.  ???
Title: Re: new background. Please help...
Post by: Eigen on Thu 10/06/2004 18:35:46
Maybe the window should be more like this:

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/kitchen_window.PNG)


-Eigen
Title: Re: new background. Please help...
Post by: viktor on Thu 10/06/2004 18:50:40
Quote from: YOke on Thu 10/06/2004 18:17:49
I'm no expert at this, but I don't think you would be able to see the horizon through the window...
I always put the vanishing point(s) on the horizon because it looks right to me. The vanishing point in the picture is somewhere in the middle of the back wall (somewhere around the first knob on the left on the cupboard over the sink), going OVER the window. When the horizon is placed lower it looks (to me) like the room is at an angle.  ???

Nah...
that isn't absolutley necesery. It depends on what (or should I put it HOW) you actualy draw the picture. I realy like Darth Mandarbs edit. It kinda lookls A LOT better than my buildings. But the only problem here is that this is an apartment in the middle of the city. The picture looks like the apartment is far away from the city.
Title: Re: new background. Please help...
Post by: He-Man on Thu 10/06/2004 21:34:13
Yo yo!

Really nice background. The cartoonish style rocks!
Though the background was good in the first place I added a few things:

(http://5feetunder.com/game/kitchen3.png)

1. Changed wall colours slightly om the celling and back wall.
2. Added a few shaddows.
3. Changed the window and the door so they fit their walls, respectivly. They do not fit into the overall perspective of room to keep the cartoonish style intact.
4. Stole the idea to the things outside the window from Darth Mandarb...

I hope you can use some of my changes.

- your pal Niels
Title: Re: new background. Please help...
Post by: viktor on Fri 11/06/2004 14:00:22
these are realy cool backgrounds. Hope nobody minds if I borow one of them.  ;)
Title: Re: king of rock- 2nd background
Post by: viktor on Sun 13/06/2004 11:34:09
update!!
I added a new background for your critics.
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 2nd background
Post by: Johnny Odd on Sun 13/06/2004 12:43:06
The new b/g rocks.
I would say you should make the wheels bigger oin that van and move them closer towards the front and back of the vehical... Then you would be able to see the other front wheel on the far side - because now you can't and it kinda looks like it's floating.

I like it all though. Shading is cool. Angles look O.K.
Cool.
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 2nd background
Post by: Daz on Sun 13/06/2004 12:54:28
that is one loooooong building maybe break it up abit and a few perspective problems which can easily be changed. And im just wondering if someone has puked on the wall next to the scull and cross bones?

looks nice

-Daz
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 2nd background
Post by: viktor on Sun 13/06/2004 13:04:57
Yes that is PUKE. Im fact that is brians puke. It's a gag in the game that I'm not telling before the game is released. Hope you can wait 10 years  ;D

I'm fixing the background at this wery moment.

You'll have to be more specific on the perspectives problem. So I'll know what to fix. ???
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 2nd background
Post by: pixelcat on Sun 13/06/2004 13:38:05
Looks cool... only major problem I can see is the graffiti looks like it's floating.
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 2nd background
Post by: viktor on Sun 13/06/2004 18:58:33
here is a little fix. I fixed the skull and the wheels. Then I added a bit more detail to the porch, and added a poster on to the wall.

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/front2.PNG)
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 2nd background
Post by: pixelcat on Sun 13/06/2004 20:06:17
Looks good, though the outline around the skull takes focus away from its surroundings, even the van which looks like it would be the main focus. It needs to blend in with the wall somehow, same with the poster.
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 2nd background
Post by: viktor on Sun 13/06/2004 20:32:26
how bout now. I just used the main color of the skull and poster and darkend them. The I used THAT color for the outlines.

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/front3.PNG)
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 2nd background
Post by: Daz on Sun 13/06/2004 20:42:57
sorry to tell you this after all these edits but the drain looks as if the right side has lifted up with no hole underneath, change that a your probally there

hope you understand what im trying to say, hehe

-Daz
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 2nd background
Post by: pixelcat on Sun 13/06/2004 21:13:26
Much better, nice work.
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 2nd background
Post by: viktor on Mon 14/06/2004 05:05:57
Quote from: Daz on Sun 13/06/2004 20:42:57
sorry to tell you this after all these edits but the drain looks as if the right side has lifted up with no hole underneath, change that a your probally there

hope you understand what I'm trying to say, hehe

-Daz

no problem. That's why I posted the picture before I used it in a game. For you to tell me what's wrong.
The edits I'm going to make when I have the time:
- Split up the bouilding
- fix the drain
- Make more detail to the sidewalk (cracks in the round and a nother sewer drain)
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 2nd background
Post by: viktor on Mon 14/06/2004 13:53:24
Ok here are the fixes I promised. But I think that  the boulding looked better whet it wasn't split up...

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/front4.PNG)
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 2nd background
Post by: Darth Mandarb on Mon 14/06/2004 17:56:30
I do think it looks better split up, but the perspective on the 'inner' wall of the new building is off.Ã,  It should follow the lines of the sidewalk!

Here's a quick paint-over:
(http://www.twin-design.com/ags/help/viktor_help02.gif)
- added perspective fix to building side
- added some details to blue building (brick lines)
- added some shadows (window/door)
- changed the street grate thingee into a rounded type thing (not sure of the terminology here)

I ran out of time and have to go back to the dentist ... hope this helps in some way!
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 2nd background
Post by: viktor on Mon 14/06/2004 18:40:52
DARTH! YOU ARE THE BOMB: Thanks a milion. No! Make that a bilion. I'm definetly going to us ethis background. But I am probably not going to use the bricks that you made in to the wall. Becouse I didn't actualy want the bricks to be seen.

But thenks anyway.
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 2nd background
Post by: viktor on Mon 14/06/2004 19:04:46
I just finished a new background (ok ok it was actualy finished before the street baackground). I can't put my finger on it but something's wrong here. Could you please help me. Is it the angels. The grass? The sky? I just on't get it. I tryed almoast ewerithing.

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/park_2.PNG)
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 3rd background
Post by: Moox on Mon 14/06/2004 20:57:01
where the cement meets the grass is kinda sharp, the fountain also kinda looks weird because the top is offcenter
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 3rd background
Post by: Daz on Mon 14/06/2004 21:05:44
that statue of brian may rocks
make the grass a little lighter and thats all i notice atm

great work

-Daz

Title: Re: king of rock 2- 3rd background
Post by: Sam. on Tue 15/06/2004 16:34:25
My main problem is that piece of fence. It sticks out from nowhere. (is it a bin? if so make it rounder) but other tan tha, great bg
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 3rd background
Post by: Tiki on Tue 15/06/2004 18:19:55
There aren't any shadows on the pavement around the fountain.   The fountain, among nearly everything else, has shading, but the ground doesn't, making all that plain grey stand out.  Maybe you should give the fountain and statue a shadow on that pavement.  Other 'n that, great job! 
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 3rd background
Post by: viktor on Tue 15/06/2004 19:16:41
DÖH! How could I forget the shading.
Here is the update.
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/park3.PNG)
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 3rd background
Post by: strazer on Tue 15/06/2004 19:28:11
Wow, it's excellent.
But to me the whole scene looks kind of skewed, like something is pulling it to the bottom left:
(http://www.strazer.net/ags/edit_park_2.png)

Know what I mean?
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 3rd background
Post by: viktor on Tue 15/06/2004 19:51:25
hm..
I see what you mean. The only problem might be the pawement. If I straighten it out it might look better. But I don't se how the bush, the fountain and brian may are bothering you.
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 3rd background
Post by: viktor on Tue 15/06/2004 20:06:31
is this better?
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/park4.PNG)
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 3rd background
Post by: strazer on Tue 15/06/2004 20:22:41
Quick & dirty:

(http://www.strazer.net/ags/edit_park4.png)
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 3rd background
Post by: viktor on Tue 15/06/2004 20:24:18
ok i'll fix the bush. But i don't get why you changed the fountain. What god did that do?
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 3rd background
Post by: strazer on Tue 15/06/2004 20:31:04
It looked to me like its left side was pointing to the bottom left.
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 3rd background
Post by: Kitarist on Fri 13/08/2004 17:07:45
wow nice backgrounds victor. ( i like the battle of band backrounds the most (cause of the brian may statue)  in what program do you draw these things and how much time do you put in this work.
Title: Re: king of rock 2- 3rd background
Post by: viktor on Fri 13/08/2004 17:48:19
I draw them in MS paint. This one took me an hour or two becouse I traced ower a drawing I drew. But I'm sorry to inform you that you won't see any more backgrounds for this game for a while. I'm puting the prodiction of for some time becouse I hawe so many better ideas in my head that I just had to try them out. But don't worry. I'll get back to it some day...