Heya guys. Conscidering eveybody is using reference for the current sprite j(h)am, i thought i would give it a go too. So i needed a reference pic and i went and searched. And look what I found at the cgtalk forums ... two pics by two fellow members here, a green knight by ninjas (creator of How to be a ninja) and a black knight by mordalles (creator of Mordy 2 )!!Ã, ;D Great work guys. So i wanna make sprites of them and put them here under c&c. (HOPE you two don't mindÃ, ;D)
Mordalles's black knight: Black knight from CGtalk community (Mordalles) (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=247926)
original(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1610/greyknight7aa.gif) (http://imageshack.us)latest(http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/9868/greyknight28pd.gif) (http://imageshack.us)
Here is ninjas' green knight:Green knight from CGtalk community (ninjas) (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=264137)
original(http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2944/greenknight8ki.gif) (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=247926%3Cbr%20/%3E)latest(http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/6844/greenknight26rj.gif) (http://imageshack.us)
sir gawain: Sir Gawain painting from CGtalk community (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=261277&highlight=sir+gawain)
original(http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/7943/gawain7tw.gif) (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=261277&highlight=sir+gawain)latest(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8285/gawain4rv.gif) (http://imageshack.us)
Hey. That is awesome! I really admire your pixel art and can't wait to see what you do with the concept.
I think the black knight looks great. I think you really nailed the concept.
thanks ninjas :) i'm really looking forward to your drawing your knight, cause its so freaking professional and detailed. ;D
People, i'd really also (other than armour colouring, etc.) like to know how one can add detail such as battle scrathes & marks, i suck at armour.
The heavy armor on the knight makes him look impenetrable an interesting concept... What would a black knight look like if he was more lithe and agile like a ninja? Sounds like contest material to me.
I think he looks brilliant. One thing I would do though is shift his head one or two pixels east!
Good job.
Sickin' good, respect!
Like Eyebag said, 2 pixels to the right with the head, and it's all good!
Thanks guys. I did a paintover myself to make the lines more gradient with the colouring and made the armour shinier.
You guys are right, i'll shift him right two pixels or so.
(http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/4158/greyknight25zm.gif) (http://imageshack.us)
Here is my first attempt at ninjas' green knight.
(http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2944/greenknight8ki.gif) (http://imageshack.us)
wow, buloght, those sprites are excellent. and im really honoured that u wanna do my char as a sprite. and i dont mind at all.
i really like the newer version. the shadows are great. still missing a bit of rust and scratches, but that will be hard to do with pixel's i guess.
the sprite of ninjas' excellent painting is excellent. so much detail. im jealous of ure sprites and of ninjas painting. ;D
thanks mordalles.
I'll try and add some rust and scratches and put it back up for c&c.
Really awesome. Well done. I think I like the black night with the darker segment lines, although black may have been too dark. The shinier armor does look better!
Wow, that ninja is very good too, way too good to have me comment it in a bad way.. anywayz.. i like the new version of ur dark night (with darker underlines and all), but I still think the head ain't perfectly located on the body..
My first impression of the green knight is that he's topheavy, those lower legs are downright skinny. Even 1 pixel in the lower legs might help.
I would personally move the black knight's face (just his facial features) to the left by a pixel or two.
Otherwise, they're absolutely great!
i updated the dark knight at the top. I only shifted his head one pixel east.
I also changed the greenknight so that his chestplate looks more rounded as it is in the painting reference. Its very faint but i could maybe make it more rounded (more defined) ?
(http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/6844/greenknight26rj.gif) (http://imageshack.us)
Quote from: Hollister Man on Mon 19/12/2005 01:21:17
My first impression of the green knight is that he's topheavy, those lower legs are downright skinny. Even 1 pixel in the lower legs might help.
thanks for comment. I intentionally made his legs like that with a heavier upper body. I tried (IMO) to make a style that would suite the concept in the painting.
I love the green guy. Maybe you should add a bit more space for his eyes. And the sword's dark outlike looks a inconsictent. Other than that its one of the grrreatest sprites around.
Quote from: Krysis on Tue 20/12/2005 07:00:14
I love the green guy. Maybe you should add a bit more space for his eyes. And the sword's dark outlike looks a inconsictent. Other than that its one of the grrreatest sprites around.
thanks for comments krysis. I'll see if i can do something more with his eyes. It suppose to be teeth holes in the helmet through which he sees (like in painting). So its hard with that few pixel. I'll play around with the sword some more. Thanks, since you are one of the greatest spritests around ;)
Here is my next knight. Sir Gawain. I'll put the painting reference at the top.
(http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/7943/gawain7tw.gif) (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=261277&highlight=sir+gawain)
Hi, buloght!
I love the black and the green knight, and your Gawain is very good, too, but he seems to be a bit too bright to me.
cheers
nihilyst
Sir Gawain looks scared! ;D
I would just say that he is standing in a weird position, neither a fighting position nor a normal/relaxed pos.
He looks lika a statue...and maybe you could lower his eyebrows so he doesn't look scared?..
great job!
Nothing else. but he's tiny compared to the other knight with tha dark armour
Nice work! Must say green knight is my favorite. Solid posture and body construction.
You did a great job with the green knight, buloght. The issue I see with the other two is that (to me) they seem a bit wide. Take Sir Gawain's right pauldron (shoulder armor). It's at least the width of his head and nearly dislocated from his torso. I haven't seen the reference image so ignore me if the drawing looked like this, but I think he would look alot better if you brought that arm in more and reduced the width of the pauldron by 4-5 pixels. His head would also benefit from a 2-4 width reduction. Also, you might consider more contrast between fleshtones since right now your second shade is quite close to the brightest one. A somewhat darker tone around his jaw would define his face more and set it apart from the neck. Again, I think you did an excellent job with the green knight and you are definitely going in the right direction.
buloght, that pic of gawain is perfect!
i think the facial expression is perfect, since if you the effort to actually go look at the original painting, you'dd see why he is scared.
i also think his face and "pauldron" is exactly right. it seems to me ure not going for realism here. more a stylistic approach. and i think u did it perfectly. the wider face and shoulders give them more power. its like the warhammer people do it with the armour.
personally, i think sir gawain is the best of the 3 sprites. awesome. oh, and remember to add an ear. ;D
It's great to see some sprite versions of cg characters! Good to see AGSers showcase strong designs on other forums.
Some brief criticism of the Sir Gawain sprite: he could use some darker outlines or shades... Right now he looks a bit flat and faded throughout.
I checked the link on Gawain and it took me to a really cool judgement painting, and after searching for awhile I only found one gawain painting (and it didn't match) so I decided to do a paintover to show you what I am talking about.
I didn't spend alot of time on this since I'm not sure if you will find these adjustments useful or not.
1. I made the outlines darker to emphasize the character's form and features.
2. Adjusted shading on a few areas to give you some ideas.
3. Redrew the face with fleshtones that have greater contrast. I also moved his nose because the previous position just looked off center with his hairline to me. Also gave him an ear :).
4. Moved the pauldron inward and reduced size somewhat.
In addition, I noticed quite a few colors that were so similar that I could barely notice them.
(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/gawain7.gif)
(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/gawain7.gif)
I hope you find some of this useful.
thanks for paintover progz. Your face and hair are awesome.
thanks bb, i was working on a paintover with darker lines after i saw your post.
I updated the link, don't know how i got it wrong, but i remember looking at the judgement painting.
There is unfortunately only one sir gawain painting and i feel a little offended that you said it doesn't match.
I'll respond later with more details on the knights ... on all the replies.
I see what you mean with the darker outlines, bb. Mine looks way too faded. I'll change that.
igor: thanks, he's my favourite too :)
ikari: you're right, he does look scared, i'll change his eyebrows. The stance is supposed to be a salute o some sort :)
nihilyst: Yes, i suck at colour choosing, i wanted to make him bright though since he had a glowiness to him in painting (sort of good-vs-evil thing i guess)
progzmax: your paintover is very good, but he looks old and weak now. I intentionally made him wide : for power. And if you look where his neck is you'll see he that his shoulder doesn't look dislocated. The problem with yours is that he looks to cramped.
Your colour choice is brilliant, i'll definitely learn from that. I am very new to sprite colouring and drawing (about a month or so) so i thought the idea was the choose colours close to each other. I'll try a paintover with your colours and the darker outlines like bb said. The beard i made dark cause i didn't want it to look like a full beard. I'll make it lighter.
What I was talking about (in reference to the gawain image) was that the pose and hairstyle wasn't like the original (he doesn't have a visible face and sports a long ponytail) so I was unable to use it as a reference to judge certain aspects of your version in terms of faithfulness. His face could certainly look anyway you want since you never see it- angry, determined, tired...So as far as that goes it's up to what you prefer. I think one of the main reasons the placement of the shoulder in my version looks cramped (a good observation on your part) is due to the pose itself, which Ikari mentioned is a bit 'weird'. Not wrong exactly, but not like he's in a situation where his life is endangered. I hope that clears up any ambiguities so that you do not feel insulted, as that was the furthest thing from my mind.
i also think maybe you thought the shoulder was too wide is because it wasn't round enough. I made a paintover to fix the lines and did my own colour rebalance with your guidance. And i made the shoulders rounder so it may look less awkward. But i like the stance since a sort of salute before battle. I kept the width as it is, since i like the power generated (warcraft, warhammer)
thanks for your help prog.
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