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Title: Little Jonny Evils (plural).... UPDATE!! CARTOONY GOODNESS!!11!
Post by: KANDYMAN-IAC on Mon 05/04/2004 03:26:50
I'm not sure which style to head with... plus i would like opinions just on general style composition... if they look constipated etc...

go nuts... edit stuff. I crave input...

What style suits best... how can i compliment the first game or are you guys unhappy with this tampering with the style???

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/jonnystyle1.gif)(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/jonnystyle2-1.gif)

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/LJE2.gif)
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural)
Post by: Andail on Mon 05/04/2004 08:38:47
The second version is definitely better...although it'd be funny if he had some sort of malicious grin on his face...now he's not really evil, just angry :)

Nice to see you're back in business anyway!
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural)
Post by: Chicky on Mon 05/04/2004 09:39:42
i have to disagreee,

i prefer the style of the first one. Looks more evil and "cool".

-OSC
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural)
Post by: Privateer Puddin' on Mon 05/04/2004 09:41:36
second with the smile of the third (original?)
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural)
Post by: KANDYMAN-IAC on Mon 05/04/2004 11:16:23
The third isn't the original... and is actually a third option.... replay Little Jonny and you can see that there is a fairly sizeable redesign as compared to the third image.
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural)
Post by: Pet Terry on Mon 05/04/2004 12:07:59
I've seen the third one before, but I have to say that the second one is the best of those three. But as custard said, it would be even better with that smile from the third one.

Looks really good btw, keep it up.
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural)
Post by: Eggie on Mon 05/04/2004 18:57:23
I love the first one.
I guess I'm just a sucker for big hair.

Plus, the second one looks a little bit like a small adult than a child...
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural)
Post by: Penguinx on Mon 05/04/2004 19:00:15
Eggie, I too like the first one. The overall pose is better. His legs being together looks more natural.
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural)
Post by: MrColossal on Tue 06/04/2004 00:12:37
how old is he again?

the second one with his cheekbones and angular chin and jaw makes him look like a small man.

the first has more of a child like quality though i think it could be beefed up a little [the child like quality, not muscles]
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural)
Post by: BerserkerTails on Tue 06/04/2004 01:47:20
I looooooooooove the second one most out of all. He looks so... Ready for action. Like Rockman or something.
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural)
Post by: Phemar on Tue 06/04/2004 06:05:05

1st head. 2nd body....
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural)
Post by: on Tue 06/04/2004 06:09:21
He is approx 7 or 8 years of age.

How would you guys describe your impression of LJE...

your feel for the character...

I want to make sure i am staying true to a the style everyone loves...

(i'm sure i've got a storyline people will love)
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural)
Post by: BruisedWeasel on Tue 06/04/2004 06:13:33
I figured out what it is puts me off about jonny. His head shape. It's all angly, which I know is good for evilness, but it's bad for kids. Kids are soft round creatures, full of plump organs and baby fat. Succulent little creatures. Remember Damien from the Omen? He wasn't all angles, but cherubic. Delectible in his plumpness. One could feast on his entrails for days. Jonny's angular jaw looks like a teen's jaw, instead of a little boy. And he isn't Teeny-bopper Jonny Evil, he's Little Jonny Evil. Give that tot some fresh goatsmilk.
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural)
Post by: KANDYMAN-IAC on Tue 06/04/2004 06:35:48
No. 2 with No. 1's head.... mmmmmm interesting.

Like this???

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/jonnystyle2-2.gif)(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/jonnystyle2-3.gif)(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/jonnystyle2-4.gif)

BRUISED? I see what you mean.... i gotta lose the angles but keep the mean...

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/jonnystyle2-5.gif)(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/jonnystyle2-6.gif)

mmmm maybe its time to start sketching a fresh image.
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural)
Post by: on Tue 06/04/2004 07:05:00
Ooh, give the rounded faced redo the smirk and it'd be disturbing. Jonny's looking much eviler now.
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural)
Post by: Ben on Tue 06/04/2004 22:44:56
He definitely needs the grin.. Also, the lines look a bit thick under the chin. It makes him look like he has a goatee.. I don't know if that's what you wanted or not- just pointing it out. Overall it's really good work. I like the rounded face you have in the new ones. Makes him look much more childlike, which is a good contrast to the evilness..
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural)
Post by: KANDYMAN-IAC on Mon 12/04/2004 15:06:31
OK... here is the added grin....

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/jonnystyle2-7.gif)

plus i have a dilema... the original jonny animation moves same arm as leg...  

Exhibit A...

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/LJEwalk.gif)

should i keep this flawed trait as a character definition... or should i correct it... i never meant it to be flawed originally....????
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural).... UPDATE!! plus animation!
Post by: on Tue 13/04/2004 02:47:15
mmmmm i guess its styleised... and it makes him unique...

but if the flaw wasn't intentional, i guess its a judgement call, i haven't actually played the game what is it about???
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural).... UPDATE!! plus animation!
Post by: Kweepa on Tue 13/04/2004 08:53:56
Don't keep the flaw.
It spoils an otherwise excellent animation!
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural).... UPDATE!! plus animation!
Post by: Peter Thomas on Tue 13/04/2004 10:27:47
I love the final outcome.

Has "crazy biatch" written all over it.

And fix the walk-cycle. The people 'in the know' will figure out why it's 'wrong', but everybody else will just think you've screwed up. Which would be bad...
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural).... UPDATE!! plus animation!
Post by: on Tue 13/04/2004 14:18:03
yeah i guess i see what you mean... just played the game...
friggin awesome!!!11!!
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural).... UPDATE!! plus animation!
Post by: KANDYMAN-IAC on Tue 13/04/2004 14:20:12
3 possible design directions....

what do you think...????????
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/jonnystyle2-7.gif)
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/LJE_new_1.jpg)
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/LJE_new_2.jpg)
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural).... UPDATE!! plus animation!
Post by: Privateer Puddin' on Tue 13/04/2004 14:22:54
the last one is delicously evil :o
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural).... UPDATE!! plus animation!
Post by: YOke on Tue 13/04/2004 14:25:27
nr 3, no question! but i would like to see it with a rounder head like nr 2 has. nr 3's head is a bit to square, so johnny seems too old
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural).... UPDATE!! plus animation!
Post by: Joelman on Tue 13/04/2004 17:49:44
keep the walk anim as is, it taes a moment to realize what it is, but it's disturbing. also, I like the eyes on the first one, maybe try white instead of red, makes people look uber evil. loved LJE btw, keep up the good work
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural).... UPDATE!! plus animation!
Post by: The_Creep on Tue 13/04/2004 21:57:46
I have to say I like the second one best,  the larger eyes (porportiona to the head) make him look more child like, which is what makes the little bastard so creepy :)l
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural).... UPDATE!! plus animation!
Post by: Chicky on Tue 13/04/2004 22:16:29
yeh i like the third one best too. I have to say your an amazing cartoonist.

p.s like my new name?

-OSC
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural).... UPDATE!! plus animation!
Post by: Joelman on Tue 13/04/2004 22:20:47
wow, awesome name
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural).... UPDATE!! plus animation!
Post by: KANDYMAN-IAC on Wed 14/04/2004 01:02:59
New name???? Thanks OSC you're making me blush  :-[ ::)

I'm currently leaning towards changing the animation... i might try to also sketch out a version between 2 and 3... how about that???

also can i get as much imput on the animation from those skilled and unskilled in animation?? i want to know what i should do properly about this...
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural).... UPDATE!! plus animation!
Post by: Privateer Puddin' on Wed 14/04/2004 10:52:31
the second one looks like an alien imo.
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural).... UPDATE!! plus animation!
Post by: Peter Thomas on Wed 14/04/2004 11:42:27
Yeah..... #2 has a very unusal "eye size" : "head size" ratio. The eyes are very..... red..... and very...... big...

Number 3 kicks major buttocks, but I like the spiky hair from number one. It looks more punk/evil than the little crew cut porcupine look.

Just my opinion.....
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural).... UPDATE!! plus animation!
Post by: Pet Terry on Wed 14/04/2004 13:09:33
Third one is excellent. I agree with custard that the second one looks like an alien :P
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural).... UPDATE!! plus animation!
Post by: YOke on Wed 14/04/2004 13:22:04
not just any alien either. he looks like invader zim! (http://www.kentford22.fsnet.co.uk/zimpic1.gif) :)
Title: Re:Little Jonny Evils (plural).... UPDATE!! plus animation!
Post by: KANDYMAN-IAC on Thu 15/04/2004 01:54:00
Ok... update number 4...

I think i like this one.... but i tmight be a little too comic strippy... my gilfriend thinks he has garfields eyes.... tell me what you think... I'll colour him properly later

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/LJE_040415.jpg)
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/LJE2_040415.jpg)

Opinons????