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Title: Making a real hand - tune up
Post by: Sektor 13 on Sat 10/06/2006 23:11:09
Hey

I took some time from work :), and I was trying to make real kind of hand, as reference I put my own hand in front of my face.

So here is the pic:

(http://freeweb.siol.net/zagar413/KZ/handy1.png)
->zoom 2x:
(http://freeweb.siol.net/zagar413/KZ/handy1.png)

I think more shadowing is required, specially on the fingers.

What could it make it more real..?
Title: Re: Making a real hand - tune up
Post by: DanClarke on Sat 10/06/2006 23:34:15
looks great for most part, my only gripe is there isnt enough contrast of shadow on the insides of the fingers. To see what i mean hold your handunder a lamp, youll see the top tips of the fingers cast shadow onto the lower parts. The index finger also looks very slightly disjointed on the outside. But minor gripes aside it looks like it'll do a job :)
Title: Re: Making a real hand - tune up
Post by: Mordalles on Sun 11/06/2006 00:14:42
it really looks nice. the four back fingers seems a bit short.
Title: Re: Making a real hand - tune up
Post by: big brother on Sun 11/06/2006 00:35:29
The four fingers shouldn't join the palm parallel to each other. Look at your hand again, paying specific attention to the area between your fingers. You'll notice it makes a nice curve, and the area by your pinky is much lower than that of the index or middle finger. Even when you tilt your hand away from your face, it's still quite apparent.

I would suggest spending blocking in colors and shapes before you spend a lot of time with fiddly soften and brush tools.
Title: Re: Making a real hand - tune up
Post by: Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens on Sun 11/06/2006 02:23:41
I think you've done a fantastic job overall, but after looking at my own hand I decided to do an edit.

1.  Are your fingertips really that narrow?  Mine are considerably wider (and some images I've seen) so my edit reflects this.

2.  Fingers taper as they lead to the tip, while yours don't seem to do so as much as they should.

3.  The pad at the top of the palm wasn't visible and made the hand look awkward so I added one.

4.  Mirroring that hand pose I was unable to see nearly as much of my thumbnail as in yours, so I think the thumb perspective is slightly off. 

5.  The right side of the palm protrudes beyond the pinky and makes a gradual curve back to the wrist.  .

6.  Added slight shading based on an overhead lightsource (how the shadows fell on my hand).


(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/handy.gif)

this shows the changes more clearly.

(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/ex.gif)

Hopefully some of this will be useful.  Again, your hand might really look this way so some of these edits could be ignored.
Title: Re: Making a real hand - tune up
Post by: Sektor 13 on Sun 11/06/2006 08:37:37
Quote from: DanClarke on Sat 10/06/2006 23:34:15
looks great for most part, my only gripe is there isnt enough contrast of shadow on the insides of the fingers. To see what i mean hold your handunder a lamp, youll see the top tips of the fingers cast shadow onto the lower parts. The index finger also looks very slightly disjointed on the outside. But minor gripes aside it looks like it'll do a job :)
Yep, fingers will be fixed :D

Quote from: Mordalles on Sun 11/06/2006 00:14:42
it really looks nice. the four back fingers seems a bit short.
Hmm i don't know, they don't seem too short, they are bended a bit.

Quote from: big brother on Sun 11/06/2006 00:35:29
The four fingers shouldn't join the palm parallel to each other. Look at your hand again, paying specific attention to the area between your fingers. You'll notice it makes a nice curve, and the area by your pinky is much lower than that of the index or middle finger. Even when you tilt your hand away from your face, it's still quite apparent.

I would suggest spending blocking in colors and shapes before you spend a lot of time with fiddly soften and brush tools.
I don't agree with "area between the fingers", it would be more curvy if fingers were stretched, but as they are bended, but i agree that area when pinky is, should be lower, towards middle finger.
Quote from: ProgZmax on Sun 11/06/2006 02:23:41

Your edit is good, hand look much better, except for the thumbnail, as i can see it clearly in my hand even if i rotate it a bit.
I think you've done a fantastic job overall, but after looking at my own hand I decided to do an edit.

1.  Are your fingertips really that narrow?  Mine are considerably wider (and some images I've seen) so my edit reflects this.

2.  Fingers taper as they lead to the tip, while yours don't seem to do so as much as they should.

3.  The pad at the top of the palm wasn't visible and made the hand look awkward so I added one.

4.  Mirroring that hand pose I was unable to see nearly as much of my thumbnail as in yours, so I think the thumb perspective is slightly off. 

5.  The right side of the palm protrudes beyond the pinky and makes a gradual curve back to the wrist.  .

6.  Added slight shading based on an overhead lightsource (how the shadows fell on my hand).

Hopefully some of this will be useful.  Again, your hand might really look this way so some of these edits could be ignored.

Your hand looks much nicer, except for thumbnail, as i can see my even if i rotate hand a bit.