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Title: Metal Gear Solid Sprites (Need Help)
Post by: on Thu 03/06/2004 19:43:32
Hey, I've been working on Metal Gear Solid sprites lately and I did some small MGS sprites. But now, I'm working on big sprites. The colours may be to dark or too light, I did it on my laptop so I don't know if the colours are off.

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/mgsspritesbig3.png)
Solid Snake, Mei Ling and Meryl.

Any C&C is appreciated, especially paint-overs.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: Russtaccio on Thu 03/06/2004 19:59:44
Looks good but I noticed a few things...

Details are a little dark on his body, even for this type of character and the bandana floating in the air looks too thick, almost like something is sticking out of his head.Ã,  Just my opinion.

I like it, keep it up.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: Daz on Thu 03/06/2004 20:04:05
i think it looks very nice,

i agree with Russtaccio the bandana does look stiff and im not sure about the beard.

other than that looks great

-Daz
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: on Thu 03/06/2004 20:14:52
Thanks, I uploaded a lighter version. I'll check them on my PC in a sec. As for the bandana, I made it looser but it isn't in that images. Also, the beard is from the sequel game aswell, I might get rid of it.

Edit: Fixed it on the PC, the colouring was terrible. XD
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: Damien on Thu 03/06/2004 22:24:05
Great sprite!

Only thing I noticed are his feet. I don't know how to explain what's wrong with them, so here's an (really small) edit:

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/mgsbig4_C&C.gif)
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: Mr Flibble on Thu 03/06/2004 22:25:35
Something makes me think that the thighs should be longer, they look a bit misproportioned to me; but thats just my opinion.

Otherwise, great work!
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: on Thu 03/06/2004 22:47:51
Yeah, I think they are too. I'll have a go. And thanks for the edit Damien! :)

Edit: How's this? (Fixed boots thanks to Damien, baggy stealth suit and changed face)
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/solidsnake3.PNG)
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: Privateer Puddin' on Thu 03/06/2004 23:19:18
eh, that model is an awfully bad pic imo. the models face is very much wrong in the first place (the far superior model here : http://www.spawn.com/toys/product.aspx?product=2016 )

however, even better imo is the original artwork
(http://www.psx.net.pl/mgs/pos/snake.jpg)

as to your sprite, i don't see much wrong apart from his face, perhaps it's the mix of MGS and MGS2 elements. MGS he had no beard with shorter hair, MGS2 longer hair (almost a mullet) and not clean shaven
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: on Thu 03/06/2004 23:21:40
Yeah, I need help drawing the long hair right, and the beard just doesn't seem to look right. And I was aware that the face wasn't accurate, but it was a good pic of the stealth suit.

EDIT: Had a go, kept the hair simple but..
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/solidsnake4.PNG)
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: Privateer Puddin' on Thu 03/06/2004 23:28:18
Ah, fair enough then :)

look forward to your ninja..
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: on Thu 03/06/2004 23:31:19
Yeah, should be interesting. Here are my original MGS sprites (I have actually updated it with Revolver Ocelot and shorter hair for Liquid):
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/mgssprites.png)
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: Privateer Puddin' on Thu 03/06/2004 23:40:33
sorry for this edit :p (or why i don't normally try and help people in the crits lounge..)

http://www.btinternet.com/~ctswin/solidsnake4.PNG

eh, small changes to the face that probably ruin it :)
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: on Thu 03/06/2004 23:52:53
Hehe, nice. But you ran into my first problem when I changed the face, he looks too young. Although, you did make me realise that the head was a little too big but the way you did it I wasn't sure about. So I lowered the hair a little bit and it looks pretty good. I gave him proper eyebrows too.

Lesson to learn: Never try to get critz and ideas from GameFAQs, even on a MGS forum. They just ignore your topics and post in the "HOW I BEET M1 TANK?!!!" , "I AM ON  DRUGSSS LOEL" and the "PSYCHO MANTIS WHEARS A MASK!!!!" topics...

Oh well, now I need to find some people to help me with this since I am considering making a game. I am looking for:

Story Writer
Character Developer (Maybe combined with story writer as creative writer?)
Animator(s)
Music Composer

Don't want to over do it too much.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: foz on Fri 04/06/2004 00:45:15
Quote from: Ravenfusion on Thu 03/06/2004 23:52:53
I am looking for:

Story Writer
Character Developer (Maybe combined with story writer as creative writer?)
Animator(s)
Music Composer


What will you be doing????
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: on Fri 04/06/2004 00:57:33
It's a Metal Gear Solid fangame... I've posted about it before. It's set just MGS1 and will be a mix between the old MG games and the MGS games.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: Johnny Odd on Fri 04/06/2004 13:54:43
I can't remember his name.. the fat guy with the badass gun...
...vulcan raven?
Will he be in it?
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: on Fri 04/06/2004 14:07:42
If I can drawn him. But I really am just working on my sprites for now since I can't animate such a game right now. ;_;
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: Daz on Fri 04/06/2004 18:21:15
hey id thought id do a quick edit

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/solidsnake4.png)

i basically added a gun and a fanice ammo pockets on him

-daz

ps you have too look quite hard  to see anything:P
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: Mr Flibble on Fri 04/06/2004 18:32:44
I like it. Unless there are any objections, I'd say its perfect.

Oh, and an animating tip. 'Select' small sections, then move them slightly, then fill in any gaps. I did that for a roughly 40 sprite long sequence where the character falls over. It may seem like a strange method, but it really does work.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: on Fri 04/06/2004 19:40:45
Daz:
Whoa. That edit is awesome! The ammo pockets was something I wasn't sure about, with me... They would end up like overalls! The gun could use some detail, but the problem is that you can't really do much at that size. Nice edit though, if it's ok... Is it alright if I use that edit? Or do you think I should have a go at it? Oh... And I can see everything on it fine. Thanks. :D

Mr Flibble:
Not sure about it being perfect, but it is pretty good. The pose isn't very natural but just like all my sprites, it works. Thanks for the tip on animating too, it's weird though because people who redraw the body parts in large ammounts get better results and I can actually prove that. :P
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: Privateer Puddin' on Fri 04/06/2004 20:12:46
I'd be interested in helping on the project if you wish, i have quite a good knowledge of the mgs history :p

You could try the MGS boards on IGN, theres a few good people there who will give you any crit / help you need :p
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: on Fri 04/06/2004 20:20:45
Hehe. Well, I am just glad there is some interest in the project. Any help is appreciated since I can't do a project like this on my own, if I keep everything at this standard since it will take forever and even then... It wouldn't be any good and very weird.

I haven't tried the IGN boards but maybe they can help, I just hope they are better than the GameFAQs members. :/

NOTE: FREE website hosting is needed. I've been hosted at leafo.net, but it's been down for awhile and I need a host that is reliable. It would be awesome if the name was gaming related. The site is pretty small, so there shouldn't be any problems with bandwidth and webspace.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: Mr Flibble on Sat 05/06/2004 14:13:37
http://www.freewebs.com

'nough said.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: on Sat 05/06/2004 14:17:05
That's the thing, I don't like "professional" hosts since they have very un-related names, I'd prefer to be hosted by someone I know and can contact easily.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: on Sun 06/06/2004 16:07:16
Ok, I've drawn a new one. Now introducing... Meryl:
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/meryl.png)
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid Sprites (Need Help)
Post by: Chicky on Sun 06/06/2004 16:55:01
wow thats really great, i really like it. its hard to explain whats wrong with it, so ill just do an edit  ;)

ill post the edit soon
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid Sprites (Need Help)
Post by: on Sun 06/06/2004 17:03:36
YAY. XD

The Meryl sprite isn't very good because I'm not good at drawing females... But I am having another go with a sprite of Mei Ling.

Edit:
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/mgsspritesbig3.png)
I REALLY need help with Mei Ling's face.

(http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/569/images/mei_ling.jpg)
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid Sprites (Need Help)
Post by: Chicky on Sun 06/06/2004 17:49:05
ok raven so heres the edit of meryl


This is my edit trying to keep your style
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/mgsedit.gif)

And here's my version with a slightly modified style
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/mgsedit2.gif)

basicly i tried to make her look more natural and feminine(sp?)

And with modded style i just took out the black outlines... hehe i never liked black outlinesÃ,  :P

feel free to use the edits if you want

Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid Sprites (Need Help)
Post by: Darth Mandarb on Sun 06/06/2004 17:50:39
I gave it a go ...

Problem for me is the black outlines ... it's hard to use shading for detail (for me) when there's a black outline.

(http://www.twin-design.com/ags/help/raven_help02.gif)(http://www.twin-design.com/ags/help/raven_help02.gif)

I'm pleased with most results, except for the legs ... they look chunky.  And maybe the shoulders ...
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid Sprites (Need Help)
Post by: on Sun 06/06/2004 17:50:58
hah, the one thing that bothers me is that Meryl is a tom-boy. XD
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid Sprites (Need Help)
Post by: Chicky on Sun 06/06/2004 17:54:41
yeh i couldnt get the face to look right at that res...

sorryÃ,  :-\ was just trying to help

excellent edit as allways darthÃ,  :)
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid Sprites (Need Help)
Post by: on Sun 06/06/2004 18:22:42
Both awesome edits. Thanks, OSC... I know how hard it is, since you can't add much to it. That's the good thing about having good faces in such a small space. :P

Great edit Darth, alot better.. The face is better, I need to refine the Meryl head a little to be more like it. The shoulders look fine to me and it works nicely with the style I'm using.

Thanks for the help. :)
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid - Solid Snake sprite (Need Help)
Post by: LordHart on Mon 07/06/2004 04:47:31
Quote from: Ravenfusion on Fri 04/06/2004 20:20:45NOTE: FREE website hosting is needed. I've been hosted at leafo.net, but it's been down for awhile and I need a host that is reliable. It would be awesome if the name was gaming related. The site is pretty small, so there shouldn't be any problems with bandwidth and webspace.

Dude, I can host you some... though I have no idea how much space I have left and it doesn't have MySQL or ASP. :P

But wait, it does have PHP4... :o
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid Sprites (Need Help)
Post by: Daz on Mon 07/06/2004 10:40:07
i also did yet another little edit because it was too hard too explain
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/raven_help03.gif)

i think i should have rounded her ass off a bit, it probally seems a bit of a usless edit but hey.

-Daz
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid Sprites (Need Help)
Post by: on Mon 07/06/2004 16:17:24
Ultimo: Hmmm, well Leafo's host is alright... It just had a little downtime, it does from time to time. The host is alot more secure than yours, as far as bandwidth goes, I wouldn't want to steal your bandwidth. Oh well, get back on IRC soon cos' I mainly went on there in the first place to check if you went on it. ;(

Daz: Thanks, but I can't quite see much of a change? What did you change? :P

P.S This project does not match the greatness of BB1: Key Quest sadly. :(
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid Sprites (Need Help)
Post by: Daz on Mon 07/06/2004 18:23:07
if you loook really really really closley i removed a couple of pixels to round her bum a bit, pointless really :P
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid Sprites (Need Help)
Post by: LordHart on Tue 08/06/2004 02:32:50
Yeah... my server sucks when it comes to bandwidth. I think I'll buy some more pretty soon. :P

ps. Of course this doesn't match the great that is BB1! :P
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid Sprites (Need Help)
Post by: on Tue 08/06/2004 20:25:52
She has sausages for legs :/...
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid Sprites (Need Help)
Post by: on Tue 08/06/2004 21:07:35
Doesn't really matter since you will mainly only see her on codec, which means you will only see her face and a bit of her body...
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid Sprites (Need Help)
Post by: Nine Toes on Wed 09/06/2004 05:01:45
Hey, these sprites are awesome!  I like Daz's edits the most.  But you did a pretty good job on them yourself.  ;)
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid Sprites (Need Help)
Post by: on Wed 09/06/2004 16:12:11
Quote from: Mr. Hyde on Wed 09/06/2004 05:01:45
Hey, these sprites are awesome!  I like Daz's edits the most.  But you did a pretty good job on them yourself.  ;)

But I did a pretty good job on them myself? hehe, I would expect so since I drew them. Although it's cool because Daz added the ammo packets and stuff so it looks alot more complete in my opinion. It's unfair to rate an edit over the original though. ;(
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid Sprites (Need Help)
Post by: Nine Toes on Thu 10/06/2004 08:42:23
:-\... I'm sorry...  :-[

Cane me if you must.
Title: Re: Metal Gear Solid Sprites (Need Help)
Post by: on Thu 10/06/2004 15:59:18
Only if you get me a cane. :D

But I think the Solid Snake sprite is basically done. Just need to work on others.