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Title: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: Secret Fawful on Mon 23/08/2004 20:36:15
I am going for the ghostly look from monkey island one but keeping the cloak from monkey island 2.
what do you think
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/lechuck-mi5-01.png)
needs critiquing 8)
is for part five of my game the treasure thieves
new version: (http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/lechuck-mi5-02.png)let me know what you think ;D
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)
Post by: Damien on Mon 23/08/2004 20:50:33
Kinda reminds me of this guy:
(http://www20.brinkster.com/murraygoodwin/images/3lechuck.gif)

There are some things that should be fixed, like the white pixels between the blue lines, and current shading makes him look like the gingerbread man. Also, the blue "ghostly" lines would look better if they were thicker on the outside part of LeChuck. And maybe if they were made out of a 2-3 color gradient...

Also, animating him is going to be a bi*ch, unless you converted him into vectors.
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)
Post by: Andail on Mon 23/08/2004 21:17:52
So "your version" is a blue outlining?
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)
Post by: Secret Fawful on Mon 23/08/2004 21:18:56
ok i have updated my first post with a new Ã, modified version ;D
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)
Post by: Secret Fawful on Mon 23/08/2004 21:23:12
Quote from: Andail on Mon 23/08/2004 21:17:52
So "your version" is a blue outlining?
do you mean did i put blue outline around the original lechuck.
no.
I drew the entire thing myself. ;D
but i did use the original lechuck as the basis for my version.
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: Andail on Mon 23/08/2004 21:28:17
Allright, but since he's more or less identical, whether you re-drew it or just copied the original picture is of academic interest
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: Secret Fawful on Mon 23/08/2004 21:50:56
yeah  ;D
and if you think he'd be hard to animate you should see my bad guy crower and my version of guybrush
i have been working on the concept of crower for five months and i am still working on him.
if it weren't for tracing paper and animation shop , i don't know what i would do. ;D
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: jrl2222 on Tue 24/08/2004 14:00:11
If your just going to trace it and make it look the same as the original then why not just do a screenshot and use the original? It still violates copyright if you trace someone elses work. Even if you didn't trace it and just drew it the same by looking at the screen and drawing it out freehand it is still the same sprite. Don't waste your time just grab some screenshots and use those.
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: Mr Jake on Tue 24/08/2004 14:06:24
I think he meant he used tracing paper for the animations
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: Secret Fawful on Tue 24/08/2004 20:16:52
hotspots right
i did not copy the original
i just used it as a basis
i use tracing paper for the animations
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: Ozwalled on Wed 25/08/2004 04:52:22
Well, assuming thatthe bluish outline is supposed to be a gostly glow, you may want to add a highlight to it, to make it more glow-ey.

Next up is his beard. Right now, I find it looks too "poofy" and not scragly enough.

Tried a really rough paintover, and this is what I came up with, to give you an idea of what I'm talking about:

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/lcpo01.png)

Not sure if having the glow come from around the outline of the gloves, top of the coat cuffs, belt and shoulder strap really looks all that good, though. I'd think they'd look better in black or darker versions of the colour (i.e., darker orange around the belt buckle, darker brown around the belt, etc.)...
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: Krazy on Wed 25/08/2004 08:05:41
The reason it looked so "poofy" was because the beard was meant to be made of fire in the Curse of Monkey Island.

[edited by eric, just so you know, there's no reason to quote the entire post and picture from the post directly above yours, also in the future edit out the pictures from quotes unless they're necessary, woop de woop]
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: Sam. on Wed 25/08/2004 10:36:54
just a quesiton, if you re-did it all yourself, why would you draw the beard with fire and then colour over it, wouldnt it have made more sense just to draw a black beard? anyways, I like ozzies. there is still soemthing missing from it, ill have a go in a minute
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: Raider on Wed 25/08/2004 10:43:51
Maybe put somthing on his shirt because that might be what is looking plain....
Good one Oz.

- Raider
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: Mats Berglinn on Wed 25/08/2004 12:35:53
I like Ozwalled's version but there's one crit for both OZ and Fawfulhasfury's versions of LeChuck. If LeChuck is a ghost he should have a nose. Ok, so LeChuck missing a nose when you see his head fly at the camera at the end you see that LeChuck does have a nose throughout the game. Also in MI4, LeChuck's ghost form does have a nose, so you better add the nose to Ghost-pirate LeChuck. Also the "flame" on the hat should be replaced with a feather.
Make the coat more of ghostlike blue instead of red. The same goes to the hat.
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: Ali on Wed 25/08/2004 13:03:36
I think fawlful really ought to be given a break, this is a very nice sprite!

I'd be surprised if there's an AGSer who hasn't tried imitating the pros in order to improve their artwork. I know I've tried to draw CMI's LeChuck before.

The only thing I'd suggest is making that teal outline darker, so it's less noticeable, or much lighter so it's clearly an ethereal glow.
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: Secret Fawful on Wed 25/08/2004 17:15:12
to Oz: nice paintover. i will try to change the sprite to those specifics
to Zootyfruit: I kept the beard looking poofy cause I am going for a ice fire look. you see, my version is supposed to be sort of an icy ghost
to Mats Berglinn: well, I know the original had a nose, but i thought seeing as how i was trying to make a completely new LeChuck the skull head would make him look scaryer
to Ali: i'll try to implement that
thanks
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: Mr Flibble on Wed 25/08/2004 20:06:03
I think this is great, despite how you may have made it. Just remember, in your game, set LeChuck's transparency to about 70 %.
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: Ozwalled on Wed 25/08/2004 20:18:17
If you're thinking of making the beard ice-looking, I'd fully suggest that it's made of shiny, dangling icicles.

EDIT: Something like this might give you an idea of what I mean (I also took away a few of the inner blue-greenish outlines):

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/z_lcpo03.png)

EDIT: Hm. I wonder if he looks too "Santa"-ish now, though.... Then again, could make for some good jokes in the game.

Also, IS it supposed to be a glow around him, or is he supposed to be, like, encased in ice or something?

EDIT: If it IS a glow, as I suspect, then a nice in-game effect might be for it to slowly "throb" a bit, both in size and brightness. And for that matter, it could get even bigger and brighter when you're doing some sort of "angry" or "aggressive" animation. Just some ideas.
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: Secret Fawful on Wed 25/08/2004 23:20:51
good ideas
i will definitely keep them in mind
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: viktor on Thu 26/08/2004 08:22:19
but if your going for an icy look, dont you think that the red coat wouldn't fit his icy personalty. I think that the coat should be a colder color.
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: Raider on Thu 26/08/2004 11:20:32
Hi
This is really coming along well keep it up!

- Raider
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: Secret Fawful on Thu 26/08/2004 15:41:21
viktor- yeah i am changing now
raider- don't worry. i don't give up easily. ;D
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: Secret Fawful on Thu 26/08/2004 16:20:33
new modified version
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/lechuck-mi5-04.png)Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  let me know what you think ;D
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: Ozwalled on Thu 26/08/2004 21:10:49
Personally, I don't much like the white coat and blue/ cyan pants... maybe a navy blue?... Or possibly just a cooler red (coat) and brown (pants), even?
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: Secret Fawful on Thu 26/08/2004 21:51:04
the white and blue is ice stuck to his coat
he is encased in ice at the beginning of part 5
but is accidentally let out
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: Raider on Sat 28/08/2004 03:40:19
Is that red on his fore head supposed to be there?
I like the original red shirted LeChuck that you did earlier.
sorry to be picky  ;)

- Raider
Title: Re: my version of lechuck( need criticism)(update with new modified version)
Post by: Secret Fawful on Sat 28/08/2004 16:00:52
no
and ok i will change it back