What do you think of this one
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q301/Rubacant/UnderKitchen1.jpg)
Here is a start
Looks great. I don't know much about background art, so I wouldn't want to give you any bad suggestions. The only thing I can really think of is that the back and right walls do not have shadows as they get closer to the floor, while the left wall does. Maybe that is intentional, but otherwise, I like the style.
The back wall is quite plain, needs some texture or atleast some details. Perspective seems to be bit off with some of the objects. Things that hang in the wall does not cast any shadows to the wall.
That blood looks bit weird in the table. It is just so... unrealistic :P
What items do you think need Perspective fix
How do i make shadows
Look at this
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q301/Rubacant/Backhall1B-2.jpg)
You should really upload the pics as PNGs, not as JPGs. (I hope you don't save them as JPGs while editing!)
The blood on the side of the table looks unrealistic because wet blood runs down straigt, not all over the place.
About perspective: with MM, it isn't necessary that the perspective is 100% correct.
As long as stuff at the left looks like /__/ and like \__\ on the right (/__\ in the center), it's fine.
thats really weird when i save them and use them in game there bmp
What do you think of the back hall now
Khris meant that you should save them as JPEG while working in your paint prog, and saving them as PNG for uploading. The format is smaller and doesn't have artifacts, so if someone decides to make a paintover, he won't run into trouble. Also, BMP is a pain to load because it's one of the biggest file formats.
The back hall's looking good, only the picture to the right looks a bit out of place. That happens when you add own stuff to an existing image. You should really overdo the whole image to make it all your style.
Also, why did you start a new thread for the same pictures?
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Khris meant that you should save them as JPEG while working in your paint prog,
I think he meant NOT to save as jpeg while working on them - if you did the artifacting would be saved into the original so uploading as png would do no good. Bmp is fine for saving on your drive, but as Ghost said is a bit too big for uploading (they won't even display on the forums because of that) - png is recommended.
The paneling on the left wall looks a bit wrong, particularly at the bottom (the boards are uneven shapes and sizes) - unless it's meant to be a bit wonky and poorly built? The right wall has a little of the same, but it's not as noticable. And I argee with Ghost that the picture looks out of place, not only does it look like a photograph, it seems to overlap the frame top and bottom. Perhaps you could simplify it to blocks of colour, to make it fit more?
Perspective - I'm not an artist so this could be totally off, but I think a certain amount of leeway can be given in scrolling rooms like this. Drawing a scene that's twice the width of the screen with a single perspective point would probably result in some extreem angles at the edges of the room. I think KhrisMUCs /__/, /__\ and \__\ system should be OK.
normally i keep all of my backgrounds as psd files and only convert to png when ready to take it into AGS. As for perspective its definately messed up when thinking about a side scrolling game since there should be a perspective shift somewhere but since its a 2d game only you cant get that. (although i have managed to fake it in my game...something ive been hiding in my game for now but you guys wil get to see it when i finish stage2 of my game)
I think the biggest problem is that some parts of the background look like you tried ... and other parts look very rushed.
I spent 10 minutes and did a very quick paint-over:
(http://www.twin-design.com/ags/help/rubacant_help01.gif)
- doesn't have the random boards pattern (I didn't have that much time)
- cleaner lines
- 1 vanishing point
- cleaner gradients
I don't know if it's better (it's different) but it just seems to me if you'd spend a little more time on the small details you'd be better off. Are you doing paint-overs of existing backgrounds?
Yes, not saving JPEG. I was wrong there. Save in any format that allows you to keep layers and everything. That's what happens when you post before having your first cup of coffee.
The paintover by Darth looks good IMO. You could, depending on the paint prog you're using, select the area of the picture and just run a mosiac or pixelate filter on it.
Quote from: Ghost on Mon 27/11/2006 19:20:41
Yes, not saving JPEG. I was wrong there. Save in any format that allows you to keep layers and everything.
The point with JPEG is that you lose a lot of quality, and if they used paint to make these backgrounds it saves in a lower quality JPEG than Photoshop by default and causes those smudges to appear. (I only ever save in JPEG if it's a snapshot of my desktop to show someone something, pretty much)
actually if saving a jpeg from photoshop with quality up to 12 you would be hard pressed to find pixelation. i know some print shots who used to require a tiff or tga for print. then this other place said screw that just bring a 12quality jpeg. the file size is so much smaller and it would be difficult to find the quality difference. from there on in i only took jpegs to printers and when they say they want a tiff or tga i remind them (out loud especially if others are in the shop) who the paying customer is and that if they cant handle a jpeg then obviously i chose the wrong place. (sorry. i can be evil sometimes hehehe)
*clap*..............*clap*.............*clap*
With photos, that's probably true, but we're talking about pixelart here, so the obvious choice is a lossless format. PNGs are also pretty small in terms of file size, plus they keep the exact colors intact and even support alpha channels.
To humour you, I took a background from MM Mania which is available in the starter pack as BMP:
Saved as JPG with PSP7, lowest compression / best quality: 19.529 bytes (http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/3943/007hs0.jpg)
Saved as PNG, standard settings: 4.499 bytes (http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6559/007mq7.png)
Saved as PNG, optimized: 2.528 bytes (http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/462/0072jr2.png)
Even the second PNG doesn't show any artifacts, contrary to the JPG.
Look at Back hall picture now. Still saveing has Jpeg
What can i do to make this back ground better
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q301/Rubacant/LiveingRoomB.jpg)
The T.V. is way to big! Look how small the paintings and cabinet look in comparison to the T.V......
Its like a 80 inch projection tv
Quote from: thewalrus on Fri 08/12/2006 02:09:45
The T.V. is way to big! Look how small the paintings and cabinet look in comparison to the T.V......
That's also the first thing I noticed. I understand if the tv is really supposed to be a big tv but the other objects are still out of proportion IMO.
Here's a quick paintover to give you some ideas:
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/8/11/163502/paintover%20copy.png)
As well as changing the size of the tv and closet I also changed a few other things:
- fixed perspective on the table/tv
- made top-left corner of carpet match corner of wall
- removed black line along right hand side of carpet
- removed white lines on the tv (I don't know what they were, but they just didn't look right IMO)
I didn't reduce the size of the tv too much after reading your last post, but I think it still looks better now (even if it might still be a little bit out of proportion).
Hopefully I've at least given you some ideas.
Cool thank you
The tv is cracked
Here it is
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q301/Rubacant/LiveingRoomB.jpg)
Dose this look good ??? I dont know i dont really like the shape What should i use
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q301/Rubacant/LiveingRoomBNew.jpg)
And a door Heres the other side of the room
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q301/Rubacant/LiveingRoomA-1.jpg)
Super stretched Couch any thing else you think i could put in this room
What about a door?
What could be better
Dose this look like crap what do you think
Not asking Ghost Dont Post Cuz i will call the Ghost BUSTERS
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q301/Rubacant/Plantroom1Amold.jpg)
Some things have black outlines and others don't have any outlines at all. Looks random, messy and out of style. And the framed photos don't help either. the side walls are a mess.
Why don't you leave MM rest in pease and make something of your own...
Do you know constructive crit People I'm sick of this
What do you call this CRAP http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/games.php?action=showpic&game=722
And just what do you think your going LOL what is this Do you know grammer?
You dont know how to constructive crit then dont post
And just what do you think your going and whats with the Pink Wall paper the shadowing looks uneven
The sprites dont look good to. You want to make a remake but you fail
Visual: 70% OK sure
Immersion: 53%
Puzzles & Pacing: 38%
Overall Enjoyment: 50%
MORE LIKE
Visual: -1%
Immersion: -1%
Puzzles & Pacing: -1%
Overall Enjoyment: If you play it you just want to die%
Have you even Played Maniac mansion Hmm What did you old one look like
http://www.transoil.de/longplays/bilder3/ma1.GIF
Why didnt you make something of your own when you made Bob Goes Home Deluxe.
And look you cant Download it any more Wonder why Cuz it Super DooM 3 Ya right more like worst then Dr Jeckly and Mr hyde
Dr Jeckly and Mr hyde is god to your game
This is what this guy should say about your game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M_4Yqk65f8
Erm.... right. I'd rather keep my mouth shut.
So how did you like that nice crit cant take it. Well you said my stuff look like crap Flat out saids its CRAP
And just what do you think your going Look at this pic of Background and Dialog
Hook on phonics worked for me http://secure.hop.com/category.cfm?UserID=3061200&ACBSessionID=A46F98DD85324E40450B&&SID=1&Category_ID=1
Quote from: Krysis on Mon 11/12/2006 22:24:02
Erm.... right. I'd rather keep my mouth shut.
Dont Cry
Please don't try to insult Krysis for his grammar, when you obviously suck at it... Personally, I'm sick of you personally attacking everyone who has anything negative or critisizing to say about your stuff.
And for "Bob goes home: Deluxe", he didn't make the whole game himself, but he worked with others as a team, and he made some awesome graphics for the game :D! What you seem to do is just to copy the MM games or something...
Then for some constructive critisism: Stop the copy/pasting of images etc there, and try to draw them on your own! That would help you keep some consistensy in the style, and it would probably overall look better!
Well Maniac mansion Mania Copy and past there stuff but thats ok
he insulted me first
and
Look at this
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://maniacmansion.microspace.ch/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmaniac%2B%2Bmansion%2B%2Bmania%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official_s%26sa%3DN
this is what maniac mansion mania backgrounds look like I think there good
The way of the christian: Do as I say, or I'll hurt you! whats this all about you think your better then other people. Your Nuts
He never insulted you! He critizised your "art", and came with a suggestion for you to let your MM mania rest so you could make some of your own art. And this aint his crit thread anyway! It's yours!
Quote from: the vict0r on Mon 11/12/2006 22:51:47
He never insulted you! He critizised your "art", and came with a suggestion for you to let your MM mania rest so you could make some of your own art. And this aint his crit thread anyway! It's yours!
Well i critizised his art and End of the World Oh No LOOk at his work Dose that really look good At lest my Backgrounds have MM style. Has He ever played Maniac Mansion
Do you know constructive crit is Do you call that constructive crit
Do you know constructive crit People I'm sick of this
and his suggestion stink I will not give up cuz of a Fart Face that cant make a good BackGrounds himself are you Blind Krysis
Coolio he is knows constructive crit He helps. He didnt say it looks like crap and you should give up.
Please... Yes, coolio did give you constructive crit, but so did most of the other people in this thread! It seems like you are waiting for someone to pat your back.
As for some more crit, just to not get overboard with off-topic chitchat. I'd say you get rid off the "crack" on the TV as it don't look like a crack, but some white lines on the telly. And as people told you before, you should make some black outlines on everything or nothing, to keep consistensy.
And Fart faces art are amongst the best in these forums IMO!
Rubacant, please, don't call me "Fart Face" again. I find it a little rude.
I really don't want to argue with you. I know that's weird, but I just don't feel like it.
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He didnt say it looks like crap and you should give up
NO ONE has said it looks like crap and you should give up. All that anyone has said (including Krysis and Ghost in another thread (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=29264.msg374684#msg374684)) is that it looks a bit sloppy and inconsistant.
You're mixing high and low detailed pixel graphics, photos and textures and it just doesn't work. It's not 'Maniac Mansion style', it's a mess.
Krysis' other advice - to develop something in your own style (again, mirroring Ghost's advice) is also good. Figure out how to make a background yourself, from scratch and work from there. You might find it easier to make MM-styled backgrounds in the future. You might find a totally different style that still 'works' when you come back to your MM game and decide to use that.
(If this sound familiar, it's because it's very similar to the advice lots of people - me included - have already given you on everything from scripting to storylines: Start small, learn the basics, and work your way up.)
EDIT:
Also, can you please shorten the link to the MM screenshot a couple of posts back? It's stretching out the page and making things hard to read.
Rubacant your jealousy amazes me, Krysis is an amazing artist. Personally i havn't been impressed by any of your backgrounds, i hate it when people rip backgrounds from games and make small degrading edits.
But that doesn't mean you can't improve. I suggest working on some of your own art, or if that's too hard try harder to replicate the MM style.
end of.
I will just make mods for other games and get out of this 8 bit junk
You do that, the source engine is highly mod'able. Try that.
How dare him or any one Juge my Background to
THIS CRAP (http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q301/Rubacant/screen2.png)
Rubacant - I admire your dedication to keeping at making BGs ... but you're stepping over the line here. Calm down and focus on your own work. If you don't agree with what Krysis says either ignore it, or reply maturely. This is the "Critics" Lounge, not the "only tell me good stuff about my work" lounge.
and I'm giving my Critics
Lets look at this great game MORE LIKE A Z-
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q301/Rubacant/screen3.png)
Frige is in the wall
Some stuff has Borders and some dont
Shadows Look like Crap and look messy and strangely lightened
Wheres a couch or any thing Where are the Lights
The rug is in a bad place and Off Perspective
Walls Look like junk
Whats with the wall color
Cabs Look like Carbord Boxs
NO texture at all
And Just what do you think your going
Kick ass bad ass game real bad
Dont crit me if your stuff looks like JUNK
PS Krysis is an amazing artist Sure Chicky
one word ShortBus
Quote from: Rubacant on Tue 12/12/2006 02:13:36
Dont crit me if your stuff looks like JUNK
Yeah... thats why your stuff is ripped and his isn't? You can't even take a little criticism WHICH HELPS YOU not hinders you but you take it as offensive material to "your" art.
Quote from: Rubacant on Mon 11/12/2006 23:21:14
I will just make mods for other games and get out of this 8 bit junk
Please go, maybe you'll cool down for a while and come back when you can take some advice and get on with your life.
You are not funny and you should be medicated for your anger issues.
I liked your backgrounds, but now you are being a major pain.
Good luck finding help now after your hissy-fit you are having.
Enough. While Krysis' post wasn't exactly constructive, yours is downright insulting, Rubacant. I will give you precisely (1) post in this thread to fix your behavior and if you do not succeed I will lock this. I hope I'm clear.
Quote from: Rubacant on Tue 12/12/2006 01:55:44
How dare him or any one Juge my BackgroundÃ, to
THIS CRAP (http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q301/Rubacant/screen2.png)
Don't be so hard on yourself. Your latest screen is a great improvement on the earlier images in the thread! I'm glad to see that you've decided to draw it from scratch instead of cutting-and-pasting from existing backgrounds. It gives the image more character and coherence.
The composition is more dynamic (slightly). However, I think the cartoony angles should be applied more consistently: currently the stairs look a bit "uptight" compared to the door etc. The zigzag shading is an interesting technique, and I think you should continue to develop it further. Maybe you could try not following the edges so much?
Overall, good job!
PS: You crack me up, little buddy.
Quote from: Snarky on Tue 12/12/2006 03:49:26
Quote from: Rubacant on Tue 12/12/2006 01:55:44
How dare him or any one Juge my Background to
THIS CRAP (http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q301/Rubacant/screen2.png)
Don't be so hard on yourself. Your latest screen is a great improvement on the earlier images in the thread! I'm glad to see that you've decided to draw it from scratch instead of cutting-and-pasting from existing backgrounds. It gives the image more character and coherence.
The composition is more dynamic (slightly). However, I think the cartoony angles should be applied more consistently: currently the stairs look a bit "uptight" compared to the door etc. The zigzag shading is an interesting technique, and I think you should continue to develop it further. Maybe you could try not following the edges so much?
Overall, good job!
PS: You crack me up, little buddy.
Ummm, thats Krysis' work
Rubicant, just grow up please. If you want c&c it's a bad idea to insult the people that are trying to help you.
Quote from: Rubacant on Mon 11/12/2006 21:36:13
Not asking GhostÃ, Ã, Dont PostÃ, Cuz i will call the Ghost BUSTERS
Sigh. Okay then, if you think going over to a new thread with the same pic just because you took offense on something I said- in a reply where I actually told that no offense is meant to be taken, so be it. You surprise me, though. People all over the place (which is where your threads are) try to help you. Now you're starting to insult them. If you think that helps, luck on you.
You know...
One does not have to be a grant artist in order to be able to critic. :)
You really need to calm down and see what you're writing. Take some advice, and keep in mind that this whole MM thing can get a bit tiring over some of us (at least for me).
Just do the damn game, with or without the critics, since you are burning to do it, and get it over with! Critic is a both way avenune. One gives critic (good or bad) and one takes. Critic does not mean correcting your images and ALL your BGs. Critic is about teaching and learning. You should know a thing or two until now with the so many BGs you have shown us, and yet you keep posting the same errors, and the same things and fail to understand what people are telling you. (or you just dissagree really strongly.). People (including me now) have wasted time in posting for you, and you are insulting them? This is, the least I can say, unrespectful!
Quote from: Krysis on Mon 11/12/2006 21:46:42
Some things have black outlines and others don't have any outlines at all. Looks random, messy and out of style. And the framed photos don't help either. the side walls are a mess.
Why don't you leave MM rest in pease and make something of your own...
I didnt insult Him i just him my crit. Thats his crit up there But thats ok
Anyway how are you side walls a mess. i used them as a temp from Maniac Mansion Delu
Why can Maniac Mansion Mania Rip all there stuff I dont get it
The point is that he never put his BG up for crit, but you did.. He gave his opinion, and you insulted him back!
Nope I didnt insulted I gave my Crit.
Quote from: Rubacant on Mon 11/12/2006 22:00:48
And just what do you think your goingÃ, LOL what is thisÃ, Do you know grammer?
Can you read? It says "And just what do you think you're
DOING?".
Quote from: Rubacant on Tue 12/12/2006 11:51:55
Nope I didnt insulted I gave my Crit.
Right...
Quote from: rubacantthis CRAP
Quote from: rubacantThe sprites dont look good to. You want to make a remake but you fail
Quote from: rubacant
Visual: Ã, 70% Ã, OK sure
Immersion: Ã, 53%
Puzzles & Pacing: Ã, 38%
Overall Enjoyment: Ã, 50%
MORE LIKE
Visual: Ã, -1% Ã,Â
Immersion: Ã, -1%
Puzzles & Pacing: Ã, -1%
Overall Enjoyment: Ã, If you play it you just want to die%
Quote from: rubacantand his suggestion stink
Quote from: rubacantYou dont know how to constructive crit
Quote from: rubacantTHIS CRAP
Quote from: rubacantbad ass game real bad
Quote from: rubacantDont crit me Ã, if your stuff looks like JUNK
Too bad serious C&C threads barely get to the 2nd page, and a thread like this keeps growing and growing.
I know one thing: By acting the way he did, Rubacant made pretty damn sure not a lot people will want to help him in the future. I know for sure I won't.
I count two, non problem solving posts.
There's my two cents.
Rubacant, don't simply ignore the posts from Ghost, Nikolas and others who tried to tell you what you did wrong outside your graphic works.
Quote from: Rubacant on Tue 12/12/2006 11:44:07Anyway how are you side walls a mess. i used them as a temp from Maniac Mansion Delu
The side walls' bricks aren't slanted...can't you see this!? They are as flat as those in the back wall.
Quote from: Rubacant on Tue 12/12/2006 11:44:07
Why can Maniac Mansion Mania Rip all there stuff I dont get it
The backgrounds from MM Mania usually don't lack one thing your backgrounds are: CONSISTENCY.
Don't paste photos in them. Don't use the airbrush or blur tools. And don't post JPGs.
The MM Mania backgrounds managed to replicate the style of MM Deluxe. You didn't. It's as simple as that.
In the immortal words of Gendo Ikari:
"I have no time to waste on a petulant child".
Who spelt grammar wrong.
Rubacant, please re-read the forum rules, in particular:
2. Post in a mature manner. Remember, the minimum age here is 16 - if you're unable to act that age, don't post.
It doesn't interest him. I know that because he attacked me too, when I warned some people about him.
But you can read this at this forum:
http://adventure-treff.de./forum/viewtopic.php0882
Don't we have an award for this?
The guy only needed help. ::)
nothing to see here, move along