Maybe you guys already saw some versions around of my main character, Roxy Fox.. she has now been taken to the final level..
check it out and c&c please..
(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/views1.gif)
(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/views2.gif)
I think I did a pretty good job
from going from a pretty bad version to a pretty good one.. what do you guys think? dont be too hard pleaseÃ, ;D
first versions of Roxy from 2004 (dont laugh please):
(http://home.unet.nl/carl/roxyfox/web/graphics/art/concept1.gif)
dont crit this one its an example
(http://home.unet.nl/carl/roxyfox/web/graphics/art/concept2.gif)
dont crit this one its an example
Now back to business.. what do you guys think from the final version..
I like the perm... ;D
One comment I would have is that there are no shadows whatsoever! I don't know if this is something you're after, but it could benefit very much from two or three different colours in the legs, arms, breast...
But I like it.
Roxy is hot!
Ahh.. Nikolas.. you want her phone number?Ã, ;D
About shadows.. I don't got the knowledge of where to put which shadow, so I just can't do it.. It will be a pain in the ass for me to make that.. and even if i could manage to do this one with the help of somebody here.. i got a 100 of other characters which are to be made including shadows, it's simply a thing i can't..
And.. are shadows really that good? cause on one background the lightsource is from an other angle then in the other background..
Anyways.. appreciated!
I think her nose should be a different colour than the other dark outlines on her face. Right now it doesn't stand out enough. Also, her stance in the front view looks really unnatural. I imagine you want her to look like she's leaning on one hip, but right now it just looks like she's been horsebackriding. I recommend finding a reference photo, even though this is a cartoony sprite. Good luck!
Try and maje her bust bigger, ;)
(I'm gonna pretend I don't despise furries for a moment...)
I may do a paint over when I get home in an hour, because I'm not sure I can adequately describe this, but I think you need to let the hair on the right side of her face come down. As it is, it looks to me as if you've drawn her face continuing up into the hair, and it looks squarish and doesn't flow nicely.
I think the tail comes out too far on her front-on view. There's no need to make things correspond exactly to other views, but it seems it would benefit from being pulled in a bit.
I think it's important to be a tad free with the side-on views. Let a bit of her right leg show, maybe at the back from the knee. It will make the whole thing look a little more relaxed and natural. The curve in her hair is ... well, huge, but I don't think you need to be so exact with that, either.
Her legs are maybe just a tad too wide apart in the front on view, but overall, it's a pretty damn sweet figure you've drawn. The hips are well proportioned and the breasts are siting nicely. Honestly, you've done a really good job with the figure :)
HUGE improvement on 2004 though, but I'm sure you knew that ^_^
for The IvyQuoteI think her nose should be a different colour than the other dark outlines on her face.Ã, Right now it doesn't stand out enough.
I will change this indeed..
QuoteI imagine you want her to look like she's leaning on one hip, but right now it just looks like she's been horsebackriding.Ã, I recommend finding a reference photo, even though this is a cartoony sprite.Ã, Good luck!
Tbh.. i dont agree.. and i did use a reference photo for the legs, i used a photo of michelle pfeiffer posing on the catwalkÃ, ;D.. so cant be too unnatural..
..
for GoldudeQuoteTry and maje her bust bigger
.. bust is breasts?Ã, ;D.. cause i dont know what bust is..
..
For KinokoQuote
I may do a paint over when I get home in an hour, because I'm not sure I can adequately describe this, but I think you need to let the hair on the right side of her face come down. As it is, it looks to me as if you've drawn her face continuing up into the hair, and it looks squarish and doesn't flow nicely.
..Would love to see that paintover..
QuoteI think the tail comes out too far on her front-on view. There's no need to make things correspond exactly to other views, but it seems it would benefit from being pulled in a bit.
I think you are right.. I will change this.
All appreciated for your responses, and keep them coming..
EDIT: Here is a new version.. tell me which tail you like better:
(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/roxyposmall.gif)
(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/roxypobig.gif)
changes:
-nose stands out more (dont know if its better tbh)
-other tails (tell me which you like most)
Quote from: DonB on Tue 24/01/2006 10:36:28
QuoteI imagine you want her to look like she's leaning on one hip, but right now it just looks like she's been horsebackriding. I recommend finding a reference photo, even though this is a cartoony sprite. Good luck!
Tbh.. i dont agree.. and i did use a reference photo for the legs, i used a photo of michelle pfeiffer posing on the catwalk ;D.. so cant be too unnatural..
Well, when people pose, they don't stand very relaxed... they pose, so they have an active stance. Just like your character doesn't seem to stand relaxed at the moment.
But she isn't supposed to stand relaxing.. the meaning is; she poses in a certain sexy but mean way.. like she wants to say; now.. what you want me to do.. I'm ready for action but theres no action coming from you..
like.. Here I am.. now what must i do..
but if you all disagree with me.. i would appreciate a small paintover of just the legs.. cause i dont see the wrong thing in the legs.. even if she was relaxing.. i tried to improve them the way you guys are telling.. but it won't work out positive..
What a lovely character!
(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5158/roxypo9lg.gif)
- changed the colours (she looked as if she were behind an orange haze) - increased the contrasts both in lightness and in hue (note that her top is outlined in purple)
- some stretching of the profile to make it match the front view
- made the nose round rather than square
- moved the mouth upward in profile
- removed the double pixels
But hey, I didn't even warm up yet! If I get some time I'll look into the following:
- her forehead seems too high/the head is a bit oddly shaped
- a more dynamic stance (not 100% front, not 100% profile)
- the arms are a bit shapeless, especially in the profile
- shading
She looks really cool and cute, excellent work!
Quotechanged the colours (she looked as if she were behind an orange haze) - increased the contrasts both in lightness and in hue (note that her top is outlined in purple)
Thanks a lot for the new colors,
It's the monitor I'm using here (way too dark) so i cant do good colors, thanks a lot.. its really helping..
Quotemade the nose round rather than square
I already tried this once if i remember right, but i dont think its better then the square one..
QuoteBut hey, I didn't even warm up yet!
Would be nice to see you warmed up then ;D
what about now?
(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/roxyimproved.gif)
(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/roxyimpr.gif)
-kept the nose like it was
-newer tail
-made the pants something lower (hip jeans)
did she blow her hands with fireworks??
I wanted to change the legs only at first, but then I ended up pushing the pixels. My face is a completely different approach, but maybe you find it useful.
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/redraw_don_fox.png)3xÃ, Ã, ed:(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/redraw_don_fox2.png)
(14 cols instead of 12, not counting the background)
EDIT: some small tweaks
The only thing which stands out to me (and this would require the shading approach taken by khrismuc) is to imply bulges where her hands (paws?) are in her pockets rather than at the moment where it looks a bit like she has no hands.
Also (my twopence worth), I think I preferred the hair colour as it was originally - a bit less bleached blonde and more natural. But that' just probably my taste :p
Be inteterested in the game she's from. I approve of videogame vixens (ho ho)!
khrismuc, what can i say, that's just sick, thanks for showing me how to use shadows effectively, i mean.. damm those boops.. the hair looks amazing as well, i will use things from this if you dont mind to further improve my character.. perhaps some shadows, altho i dont like to make shadows.. and something from the hair..
Very nice, respect!
Captainblinkey,
I am not sure about the new colors yet, i have to relook it on a better monitor then this one.. so things might change for a bit..
whats a videogame vixen?
Quote from: DonB on Tue 24/01/2006 14:06:41
whats a videogame vixen?
As in a tasty bird in a computer game :)
Or a tasty foxÃ, ;D
I tried to do new versions,
one with just some important new details like the boopjob ;)
(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/tasty3.gif)
(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/tasty4.gif)
And one with shading like krys did:
(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/tasty5.gif)
(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/tasty6.gif)
Is all this going the good way or the wrong way..
What's a boop?
This sprite needs some work. The curves are very shaky and some of the outlines (in the latest edit) are inconsistent. I almost prefer the first picture you posted over the latest (although the curve problems still exist in that one, the color ramp differences are a little less aggressive).
Quote from: big brother on Tue 24/01/2006 15:56:55
What's a boop?
This sprite needs some work. The curves are very shaky and some of the outlines (in the latest edit) are inconsistent. I almost prefer the first picture you posted over the latest (although the curve problems still exist in that one, the color ramp differences are a little less aggressive).
I disagree with Big Bro on this. The latest image looks a lot better to me. I think it suits the style that your striveing to acheive. Tonal graduation could be fixed up a little better but I like what you have. Keep up the good work :D
Here's my try at this:
(http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/7203/tastypaintover7ye.gif)
(http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/7203/tastypaintover7ye.gif)
- Softer colors (I somehow like it more this way. Those bright colors hurt my eyes)
- Smaller nose (Looks more attractive)
- Some other very small fixes here and there...
Bigbrother, I PM-ed you about this, I do not seem to understand everything what you said, with boop i ment boob i guess, I'm Dutch, not from uk, and that's why i don't understand much of what u said..
Sean, Thanks a lot, this kind of posts keep me motivating..
Pablo; Man.. you definately improved it, now she does look attractive doesnt she, those colors definately improved em once more..
Quote from: DonB on Tue 24/01/2006 12:49:32
It's the monitor I'm using here (way too dark) so i cant do good colors, thanks a lot.. its really helping..
Unfortunately I'm using an LCD, so I don't see much color either.Ã, :P
Quote
Would be nice to see you warmed up then ;D
In that case I usually paintover a picture beyond recognitionÃ, ;D
(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6928/rox3p5kw.gif)
Ok, anatomy time!
AFTER:
- watch closely the crotch joint - her legs were too apart and the height of her pelvis unnaturally small - just moved the legs and repainted the crotch joint
- made the head look reasonably high (see the hair/head joining point)
- reshaped arms - gave her some elbows, etc.
- loosened the shoulders a bit
ROTATED:
- I wanted to try a slight contraposto, I think it's generally a good idea, but I think I didn't succeed making it as nice as your direct front view
Very nice! I also reaaaaaally like the rotated version, I could use this one as the down-left angle, if you dont mind.., with her head turned to the leftdown of course..
i really like the new head, shoulders, elbows and arms, good job!
Only about the legs, because of the much lower cross now it seems likes shes wearing a hiphop pants in stead of a tight pants (is it me being so egoistic or..?), i still like my old pants better.. but i will take the lower cross point in consideration and will try to make it a bit lower..
Anyways, good job Seaduck, you keep surprising me with your fine art..
Quote from: DonB on Tue 24/01/2006 18:40:01
I could use this one as the down-left angle, if you dont mind..,
Of course I don't mind! That's what paintovers are for.Ã, ;) But I don't know if it will work, it is rotated by much less than 45 degrees..
Quote
Anyways, good job Seaduck, you keep surprising me with your fine art..
Gee, thanks! I only started drawing quite recently, there's still so much to learn...
she's still missing hands... maybe you can give her wooden hand if here real hands got blow and burned by fireworks
Edited an edit > 3rd shade and changed colors few tones...
Also, redrew tail.
(http://www.increator.pri.ee/i/critshelp/foxyroxy.gif)
2x:
(http://www.increator.pri.ee/i/critshelp/foxyroxy.gif)
Quoteshe's still missing hands... maybe you can give her wooden hand if here real hands got blow and burned by fireworks
They're called pockets, sometimes people put their hands in them!
Maybe, as Increator shows, a hint of shadow would help put her hands in her pockets
for InCreater:
Thanks a lot for already putting the shadows on this view, since i always have trouble putting up shadows, i think it looks very nice! You always seem to put up nice accents with those shadows.
And i also like the colors, I could use this colors when Roxy is outside at night for example..
for Corey:
LOL.. funny how you say it.. anyways.. doesnt old repaints like:
(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/tasty6.gif)
already have shadows to accenturate the pockets..
i did that after you made your point the first time..
MrColossal thanks for backing that up ;D
======================
Anyways, here's the newest version, with a mix of everyone here who suggested things or did a paintover:
(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/roxy1.gif)
(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/roxy2.gif)
Looks nice. Perhaps adding a second skin tone for shading would look nice. I whipped up this quick edit to give you an idea. The arms looked kinda weird too so I also edited them just a bit (similar to seaduck's edit). The facial shading on my version looks crap but it should give you an idea at least.
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/roxy-edit.gif)
As per request, here's an edit.
I may have gotten carried away and taken the sprite in a totally different style, but what the hell.
2x zoom, 11 colors
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/bbroxy1.gif)
GULP. That's gorgeous, BB!Ã, :D
Tomas
Thanks, I already thought about this, will add it indeed..
bigbro
Hehe.. besides much respect i give you, i will try to make some of this superior influence go into my old character.. i will come up with a new edit later on today..
BB's version looks really fancy and much better... especialy because it looks like she's hiding her hands behind her back not like she works in the meat factory and cut her hands off
Jeez Corey..
are you stupid?
Notice the shadows at every paint on this thread by the pockets.. including bigbro's..
this is the third and last time i explained that to you..
Finally someone has the guts to ask him ;)
Corey, keep in mind that annoying people anonymously over the internet is now a crime. I was often really tempted to flame you because of the meaningless bs you tend to post in e.g. sprite jams. Just stop it.
First time is a crit. Second time is an annoyance. Third time, and you're an idiot.
Okay, I made a new version, tell me what you think about it
..the version is based on all sugestions and paintover you guys made..
(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/roxy3.gif)
(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/roxy4.gif)
-Third shade
-Reshaped legs
-Reshaped arms and shoulders
-Reshaped hair
-Reshaped head (ears, nose, some kind of shade by the eyes which turned out to be quite foxy)
-Recolored pants
-Recolored shoes
-Reshaded Roxy
I think it's getting very close now..
I think you've really improved her now. The only thing I would change are her eyes. They could be more feminine. (Bigger pupils, eyelashes, etc.)
EDIT: The expression on her face looks a little too apathetic also, IMHO.
--Erwin
Hey that looks awesome big brother. I like how you changed the sprite's face to more a human face. It definitely makes the sprite attractive :)
Let's keep things civil here, people.
Your latest edit looks great, Don. I made an edit with a few things you could do if you wanted, though I think your sprite looks good right now.
1. I adjusted her shoulders up. Slouchy shoulders don't look very feminine, and with her hands in her pockets they don't look natural.
2. Made your shading more consistent.
3. Made her ear more fox-like. I looked at a reference image and foxes have rather large ears.
4. Altered her eyes to make them more golden like the fox reference I looked at.
5. Made her hands look like they were visibly going into the pockets by moving up the cuffs.
6. Adjusted leg pose slightly. I think the way she's standing is still a little strange but I didn't want to move away from your version.
(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/roxy3.gif)
(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/roxy3.gif)
great work.
ProgZ, that sprite looks amazing!
Thats great ProgZMax.. people already told me there was something wrong with the eyes, I tried and tried but didn't managed to pull off better eyes.. well.. you did it..
Also the shading is something I am not very good at, I just looked at the paintovers of the other people here and tried to do it like them.. i will use your shadows too.. way better.. thanks a lot.
I will come up with a new version tonight!
You have obviously improved this sprite a lot, and it looks pretty darn good by now. But now I wonder, will you be able to animate this? And create new characters and backgrounds that match the style and perfection of this particular sprite?
Maybe you shouldn't go to crazy on detail and strive for ultimate perfection in every little detail, and instead find your own style in which you can produce new art relatively fast. There's really nothing wrong with your first version. In fact, it looks better than many AGS games I've played. And it probably matches the rest of you art better.
Of course everyone wants their game to look the best, but if you aim to high it will take forever to get things done. Something for you to think about perhaps, I don't know...
And please, please modify the cleavage to the way it was in your first version (remove the two top pixels), to make things look at least a little more natural. :)
Thanks Tomas, I thought about it too, but I'm convinced that if I just do some more hours of work a sprite i will be able to pull better sprites then i used to, i learned a lot from this topic..
about the cleavage.. i looked the word cleavage up in the translater to dutch and it said "splitup" as result.. now what do you mean by that? something with the hair?
Quote from: DonB on Thu 26/01/2006 15:24:55
Thanks Tomas, I thought about it too, but I'm convinced that if I just do some more hours of work a sprite i will be able to pull better sprites then i used to, i learned a lot from this topic..
about the cleavage.. i looked the word cleavage up in the translater to dutch and it said "splitup" as result.. now what do you mean by that? something with the hair?
Even op Vandale.nl opgezocht voor je:
de·col·le·té (het ~, ~s)
1 laag uitgesneden halsopening in dameskleding => halsuitsnijding
English: Found the translation for him. :)
Thanks homes,
in that case:
.. you mean that Tomas?
I really like the top 2 pixels by the cleavage..
hello, don't fox's have white under their chin? (added skirt as well)
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/Roxy111.png)
x2
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/Roxy111.png)
EDIT: added more white hair on stomach and hands...
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/Roxy13.png)
x2
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/Roxy13.png)
Ooh, good call. I don't think the fox's paws would fit in high heels either. Time to return to the source, and boot up the old Google Image search.
Ok, after spending about half an hour perusing foxy ladies from the blaxploitation movies of the 70s, I found this!
http://pinker.wjh.harvard.edu/photos/cape_cod/images/red%20fox.jpg
Surprisingly, a real fox looks nothing like the sprite!
Intrigued, I continued my search, and made a startling discovery:
http://thecia.com.au/reviews/f/images/fox-and-the-hound-5.jpg
It would seem that real foxes are like snowflakes; no two are alike! I'm not just talking about the color, either. Look how flat they look in that last photo! It's almost as if God was experimenting with a new medium!
Now I'm not sure whether my Google Searches are just turning up fox porn, but I have yet to find any photos of a fox wearing any clothing at all! Actually, I couldn't find any standing poses. I guess the internet-surfing guy foxes have a real thing for the doggy style positions!
Looks like it's major rework time for you, DonB! (And all of us with paintovers, too. Man, we were all way off!)
Revan
Revan, very nice edit, really.. but I already experimented with the white thing on Roxy, didn't seemed to work out good, she keeps looking like a man because of the white "beard".. tho i really like your edit! Appreciated.. (altho she got the legs of tina turner over 10 yearsÃ, ;D ;D)
Bigbro
Hehe, Bigbrother I enjoyed your post.
But say it personally.. don't you like doggystyle most? .. anyways.. back to topic..
Dont think I didnt googled for foxes too at the beginning, I did.. but:
It was the whole idea to make a more human-like fox standing on her feet and wearing cloths!! But i guess you are just joking around now.. I really aint gonna make her on 4 feet and completely naked you dirrty boy!Ã, ;D
You are right, Roxy doesnt look like a real fox if you compare her.. but I'm sure you will recognise a fox in it..
and if you dont; what about tasmanian devils, you think Taz.. the famous cartoon looks any bit on a real tasmanian devil? If you are curious google for a tasmanian devil.
The bit of white Revan added to her chest actually doesn't look bad, but the face just makes her look like she's got a five o'clock shadow. I'd consider using the white on the chest, though. She's starting to remind me of one of the Master of Furry Eric Schwartz's creations:
http://www.airwalking.com/images/turnpike/schwartz.jpg
Also, some of his work might help you with ideas for your other characters:
http://www.furnation.com/eric_schwartz/gallery1.htm
Quote from: ProgZmax on Thu 26/01/2006 18:58:07
the Master of Furry
I may be alone here, but this title scares me.
Those sites creep the crap out of me.
I see no "sites" here... (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Haddas/custom%20smileys/rogershiftyeyes.gif)
I'm referring to those furry drawing sites, where some deviant people draw images of human-like furry female animals with penises having sex with other animals.
Lol..
what are you guys talking about.. the first site looks great.. that fox looks a bit like Roxy..
second site ("http://www.furnation.com/eric_schwartz/gallery1.htm"), doesn't work by me..
EDIT: works now.. looks great progz.. but why the hell did they steal my idea :(
A voluptuous fox is hardly an original idea ;)
Apparently not.. tho.. i do think my concept is original.. a sexy lady detective.. in a man-ish detective story.. and why not a fox in that case ;)