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Title: Royal Pair (Photoshop Tablet Art tutorial)
Post by: MashPotato on Mon 04/09/2006 20:06:48
Since I was asked about making a tutorial, I decided to show my latest painting as I work on it, and explain the steps as I go. 
However, this isn't really a "tutorial" in the usual sense, because I'm not so much showing the right way to do something as much as I am demonstrating the process I usually use.  In addition, unlike other tutorials, I would appreciate crit on my picture, as well as on my techniques, from others as I go (alternative ways to do things, shortcuts, general advice, etc.). 

Remember, what I say in the title is just what I mean--I am a painting noob.  Hopefully as I learn from my mistakes, and show the process of that, others will too ^_^.  I also have my fingers crossed that this painting will turn out okay (I normally don't show my WIPs :P)...

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NOTES:

1.this is done in Adobe Photoshop CS2, but since everything I use is very basic, it should be applicable to all Photoshop versions, Painter, PSP, Photopaint, etc.  Not MS Paint, though--sorry ^_^
2. I use a wacom tablet.  Unless otherwise stated, pressure sensitivity is always set to opacity
3. If you want me to add actual screenshots, or want more detail in my descriptions, please ask ^_^


1. Drawing
I like playing cards, and have wanted to draw a picture inspired by the royal cards for a while.  There's not too much I can say at this point in terms of drawing... just practice ^_^.  It might be easier to clean up the sketch a bit more than I did before you scan, but I don't mind keeping it rough since I'm going to be taking out the pencil lines later anyway.
Here is the sketch of the Queen of Hearts and the King of Spades:
(http://crabshack.bythegoddess.com/ags/RoyalPair1.jpg)


2. Colour Flatting
I then make a copy of the background layer (the sketch), and get rid of the original.  I now have a plain layer with the sketch on it.  In the layer mode, I set this layer to "Multiply".  This will make the white parts of the picture transparent, so I can keep the sketch on top while painting beneath it.

I'm not concerned with the background in this picture, so I just make the background a neutral shade (I will probably change it later).  Using the paintbrush (default setting, so max opacity and flow) I quickly block in the flat colours, each on a seperate layer.  I try to use a middle value (I should probably go dark and put in the lighting later, but I'm not accustomed to doing that yet).  It's very messy at this stage, but that's okay because I just want to get an idea of the general colour scheme.  I have eleven layers at this point.

Remember: layers are your friend.  It's annoying to keep changing layers and keep them organized, but it makes it much easier later, when you may want to adjust hues/saturation of only one part of the picture. 
Layers also make it easier to change colours: for example, if I want to change the colour of the dress, I can go to that layer and lock it... this will make it such that I can only paint in the areas I have already painted in, so I can just take a big brush with the new colours, and scribble it in, willy-nilly ^_^.

This is what it looks like so far:
(http://crabshack.bythegoddess.com/ags/RoyalPair2.jpg)

That's all for now.  All crit and suggestions are appreciated! ^_^
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: A�rendyll (formerly Yurina) on Mon 04/09/2006 20:18:33
Yay! Mash made the tutorial!  ;D
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: Mordalles on Mon 04/09/2006 20:43:47
wow, great sketch! i just love your stylized drawings. thanks for doing a tutorial, mashpotato!

what does "always set to opacity" mean? (sorry, another noob here  ;D)

*noting down everything*
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: MashPotato on Mon 04/09/2006 21:09:35
Thanks for the encouragement, I hope some will find it helpful ^_^

Quote from: Mordalles on Mon 04/09/2006 20:43:47
what does "always set to opacity" mean? (sorry, another noob here  ;D)
I don't think that's a noob question, I think that's just me being unclear ^_^.  What I meant is that the pressure on the tablet adjusts the opacity, rather than the size (or other variables).
(http://crabshack.bythegoddess.com/ags/PenSettings.jpg)
According to my pen settings, changing the pressure on the pen gives me the first stroke, rather than the second stroke.
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: buloght on Mon 04/09/2006 22:19:23
I love the way you draw women, hot yet stylish :). I will try and learn from your tutorial mash. I have no crits.
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: MashPotato on Tue 05/09/2006 03:27:58
3. Starting to shade
At this point, I use the same paintbrush and paint in some shadows.  It's still really messy, but these aren't final, they're just there to give some shape to the characters and for me to start thinking about where the light source would be (in this case, it's coming from in front of the characters, around the upper right... I'm not terribly precise about these things :-[)

This is another point at which having layers is handy.  Just lock the layer you want to shade, and slap on the darker colours... no need to worry about colouring "out of the lines" ^_^
This is what I have so far:
(http://crabshack.bythegoddess.com/ags/RoyalPair3.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: aussie on Tue 05/09/2006 10:26:04
It is beautiful.

I'd love to see the outlining technique you use for the drawings, like in some of the other threads you've posted in the past.
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: Mordalles on Tue 05/09/2006 16:10:47
lock the layer? you can do that? i always paint over the lines. that's an awesome tip! man, i'm a noob.  ;D

how do you lock the layer?
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: MashPotato on Tue 05/09/2006 16:56:49
Quote from: aussie on Tue 05/09/2006 10:26:04
I'd love to see the outlining technique you use for the drawings, like in some of the other threads you've posted in the past.
Luckily, that's what's coming up right now! ^_^

Quote from: Mordalles on Tue 05/09/2006 16:10:47
how do you lock the layer?
Sorry I didn't explain: (http://crabshack.bythegoddess.com/ags/SS1.jpg)
Note that my current selected layer is not locked

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4 & 5. Outlining & shading
I smushed these two steps together, because I tend to do them pretty much simultaneously.

At this point, I am still using the round paintbrush, but I have turned down the flow to about 65%, which makes it easier for me to do non-opaque strokes and shade slowly.  I find turning down the flow helpful, but I don't think it's really necessary... just use a setting you feel gives you a comfortable amount of control.
About different brushes: Use them if you want... I sometimes use one of the default textured brushes, but for my style the default round paintbrush is usually fine.  I used to think that I couldn't achieve good results because I didn't have the right brushes, but I was just shifting the blame... custom brushes can make things easier, but I don't think not having one can stop you.  However, I'm talking about this type of painting, which is relatively clean.  If you want to see some brush strokes, then there are certainly prettier brushes to use.  You should be able to find some floating on the internet somewhere, just search ^_^

So finally, back to the painting: as an example, look at the hair (only the hair, I haven't finished the face yet) as I go through the steps:
A)(http://crabshack.bythegoddess.com/ags/HeartFace1.jpg) B)(http://crabshack.bythegoddess.com/ags/HeartFace2.jpg)
C)(http://crabshack.bythegoddess.com/ags/HeartFace3.jpg) D)(http://crabshack.bythegoddess.com/ags/HeartFace4.jpg)

A. Keeping the pencil lines on, I use a darker shade of the hair shadow to draw the outlines.  As you can see, these don't have to be perfect--I just make the outlines where I want the shapes to be, as these will be my new pencil lines (btw, I do all the outlines and shading on the same layer as the flat hair colour)

B.  From this point on, I work with the pencil line layer invisible.  After cleaning up the lines a bit, I shade using the shadow and outline colours.  A time-saving tip: if you're using Photoshop, you can get the eyedropper tool while in paintbrush mode by pressing "Alt"... I didn't find this out for the longest time ^_^;;

C.  Added highlights

D.  I thought the hair looked a bit too green, so I changed the hue (I also changed the skin a bit).  I added a few orange and yellow tones, but I'm not sure if they are visible.  Anyway, the hair is now nearly complete; I will probably continue tweaking it a bit as I work on the other areas.

I will now apply these steps to all parts of the painting, so this is a long step.
I used to get frustrated trying to outline, because I didn't know how to do it--I would look at a tutorial, and all of a sudden *BANG* the outline was there, with no explanation of when they put it in.  So this is just the method I use... hopefully you will find it helpful, and if you have any questions feel free to ask ^_^
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: buloght on Tue 05/09/2006 17:39:10
The hair is superb :)
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: A�rendyll (formerly Yurina) on Tue 05/09/2006 17:40:59
Quote from: buloght on Tue 05/09/2006 17:39:10
The hair is superb :)

I definitely agree! ^.^
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: Nikolas on Tue 05/09/2006 17:51:56
Nya...

It's all rubbish.

It's not worth it

Mods? WIll you delete this thread please?

No reason for the poor people to waste theri time looking at a noob painting tutorial.

Or maybe Mash potato could change the title of the thread :CASUE SHE's NOT A Noob!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D

Thank you :)



PS. Most interesting thread, Marina, thank you kindly
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: Buckethead on Tue 05/09/2006 17:54:15
she's a noob calling herself noob...

this painting is great!
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: aussie on Tue 05/09/2006 20:52:54
Quote from: MashPotato on Tue 05/09/2006 16:56:49
Luckily, that's what's coming up right now! ^_^

Just wonderful. Cheers.

Stupid question ahoy: are you still using your pen tablet at this stage?
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: MashPotato on Tue 05/09/2006 21:21:08
Thanks for the kind words, everyone ^_^

Quote from: aussie on Tue 05/09/2006 20:52:54
are you still using your pen tablet at this stage?
Yup, everything I have done and will do is with my tablet (except for the original sketch).  Even outside of art, I use my tablet for everything... I can hardly use a mouse anymore (I even play AGS games in windowed mode so I can use my pen ^_^). 
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: 2ma2 on Wed 06/09/2006 16:42:54
You have a very slick and decorative way of producing your pieces which I respect very much. I am more of an expressionist when it comes to painting (digital or no digital), but there is just something very nice with rich detailed pieces. Be careful though, so the detail don't compete with the attention. You have balanced this well, making the details blend together into a whole - especially in the Warcraft piece. I guess time will tell if this is true in this piece aswell.

When it comes to characters, the core element is always the eyes. Well ok, portraits, not characters, but when you work with stylization, the facial traits are even more important. Especially the eyes, because in the eyes lies the characters life. This were you're main issue with the aformentioned Warcraft piece (even though that was a "blind" eye so you couldn't really work with the eyes there). I realise you are far from finished with the faces and eyes on your work, and I really look forward to seeing the next step.
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: MashPotato on Wed 06/09/2006 21:39:06
Thanks, 2ma2 ^_^.  I took a look at your site, and I really like the sense of spontaneity and energy your pieces have--it's something that mine usually lack.  It's for this reason I am often tempted to leave my messy pencil lines in--they just seem to make my paintings less static--but it often doesn't suit.

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More of steps 4 & 5

(http://crabshack.bythegoddess.com/ags/RoyalPair4.jpg)

Crit appreciated, questions welcome ^_^
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: Tuomas on Wed 06/09/2006 21:42:05
Looks better than I could imagine myself doing... but, what fabric is the dress of the lady. Why is it wrinkled like that? Did she not iron it after washing it?
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: MashPotato on Wed 06/09/2006 21:43:08
It's supposed to be some sort of crushed satin... actually, I was wondering if I exaggerated the wrinkles too much :-\
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: monkey0506 on Wed 06/09/2006 21:44:21
I want you to have my children.

:o

Uhh...it's a wonderful painting. I can't wait to see the finished project. Maybe after this you could create a "How to draw good for n00bs" tutorial...because that seems to be the first step here...

[EDIT:]

I don't think the wrinkles are overexaggerated. It looks beautiful. :D
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: buloght on Wed 06/09/2006 23:24:55
I cannot wait for you to finish this so I can save it and burn it to instant cd/dvd forever.
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: Xellie on Thu 07/09/2006 12:43:13
I am DEFINETELY not qualified to crit. Only want to let you know that it looks STUNNING so far, and to encourage you to keep at it...
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: zabnat on Thu 07/09/2006 13:06:52
There's one thing that bothers me. Sometimes it looks like she only has only eye. I know it's behind the hair, but the hair is somehow so critically positioned that it feels like the eye should be partly visible (even though it probably shouldn't). I don't know if anybody else noticed this, it might be just me with my wooden eye ;)
Maybe you could try lowering the hair just a tiny bit? Could be worth experimenting.

Otherwise it's looks really good. And I really like the style also.
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: A�rendyll (formerly Yurina) on Thu 07/09/2006 15:07:02
I definitely like this image!

One critic: The sleeve of the Queen looks very VERY rectangular. I think it's rather odd...

But aside from that: Great job!!

Cheers, Yurina
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: MashPotato on Thu 07/09/2006 16:35:42
Thanks Monkey and Buloght ^_^  EDIT: oops!  And Xellie too! ^_^
Quote from: monkey_05_06 on Wed 06/09/2006 21:44:21
Maybe after this you could create a "How to draw good for n00bs" tutorial...because that seems to be the first step here...
That is something I cannot do... my drawing technique, such as it is, is so helter-skelter and improper that I do not want to spread my terrible habits to anyone else =^_^=.  I never trained myself to draw properly, and it's probably why I have so much trouble drawing what I want exactly.

Zabnat and Yurina: thanks for the crit ^_^.  I hope I have fixed the problems in my latest version:
(http://crabshack.bythegoddess.com/ags/RoyalPair5.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: KristjanMan on Thu 07/09/2006 17:02:01
Some things I noticed: shouldn't the flower thingy with leaves on it be green or something and (might just be me but) the kings ear is too big. Other than that this is  :o
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: MashPotato on Thu 07/09/2006 17:36:08
Yes, his ear is a bit too big (the position may be off as well)--thanks, I will fix that ^_^  I made the leaves white because I was going by the design on my deck of cards.  I'm not sure if it's standard, but the queen's flower's stem is white in my deck.  If it looks strange I can change it slightly (it's not like I've been following the design closely anyway ^_^), but I don't want to make it very green because it would be the only green in the picture.
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: monkey0506 on Thu 07/09/2006 19:10:53
No drawing tut then? Oh well...guess I'll just have to admire your wonderful work while I sit here and think how much I'll never be able to create something like that.... ;)
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: Huw Dawson on Thu 07/09/2006 22:13:22
On a slight style point, I think the eyelashes on the queen are a tad too long. Everything else here is awsome.

On a side note Mash, whenever I hear "Mash Potato" now I think of that adorably cute bee you have at your avatar. I just keep imagining it saying "Mash Potato" in a REALLY cute voice. Damn that bee! I can't have bubble and squeak without chuckleing now!

- Huw
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: MashPotato on Fri 08/09/2006 05:18:25
*sigh* it looks like this painting/tutorial won't be finished... I could just cry: I shrank down my psd files to make the jpegs for this tutorial, and accidentally saved the psd at that size.  I only found out now when I reopened it to work on it... since the queen was pretty much done, I'll try to salvage as much as I can, and post it later.

So let this be another part of the tutorial: BE CAREFUL WHEN SAVING! :'(


Huw: I'm glad the bee brings joy ^_~
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: fovmester on Fri 08/09/2006 06:14:43
what an anti climax!!  :(
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: Gilbert on Fri 08/09/2006 06:21:54
Actually, in my opinion, you should backup the PSDs often (NOT save often, save often can destroy things!) so you may always change stuff by starting again from some in-progress step and to prevent disasters happening when working on a serious piece.
This is especially true when you're making a supposed-to-be tutorial, which in my opinion, at each in-progress step that you want to take shots and show you shall make a copy of the original file, so in case you need it (like say, you want to change some of the in-progress shots) you can always load back the backed-up versions.
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: MashPotato on Fri 08/09/2006 06:35:33
Indeed.  It would have made sense to do so in this case... I'm just not in the habit of saving multiple files, and I'm usually very careful when I resize.  It's okay, though--I still have the original file with layers, and it's at a viewable size, so I can still finish it ^_^ (just not exactly as I intended)

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EDIT:  here it is ^_^. 

6. Adjusting
I usually up the contrast and adjust levels just before I finish, since I prefer saturated colours.  In this case, I had some fun playing around with the colours and made it darker.

(http://crabshack.bythegoddess.com/ags/HeartQueen.jpg)


So... that's it!  I hope this pseudo-tutorial helped in some way.  Keep practicing ^_^
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: Vel on Fri 08/09/2006 14:33:30
What can I say, apart from a big... WOW! Really, really amazing.
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: Tuomas on Fri 08/09/2006 16:11:09
Now, make the nose stronger, or more visible and it'll be great imo.Too smaal for a desktop icon though :(
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens on Fri 08/09/2006 16:39:44
Moving this to the tutorial thread.
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: MrColossal on Fri 08/09/2006 16:39:59
A little tip for saving flattened images without flattening:

select the entire canvas, hit Control Alt C and it copies anything in the marquee regardless of layer. It's like taking a print screen of that area.

Then Control N, Control V and it opens a new window and pastes the flattened image to be saved.

I found this on accident and I use it so much it's not even funny.

Sometimes if I start getting crazy with layers I'll Control Alt Copy the entire canvas, stick all my layers into a folder, close it, turn it off and paste the flattened image and start a whole new round of layers.
Title: Re: Royal Pair (a pseudo-tutorial by a painting noob ^_^)
Post by: MashPotato on Fri 08/09/2006 16:43:42
Quote from: MrColossal on Fri 08/09/2006 16:39:59
A little tip for saving flattened images without flattening:
Very useful to know.  Thanks ^_^