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This is for my action button Seduce,
Crit it please;
-without mentioning the bad shoes of the character..
-without mentioning the hair, it ain't right in the animation i know..
-without repainting shadows, since I ain't using shadows on my characters

Appreciated..


(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/seduce.gif)

newer version:
(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/seduce2.gif)
-faster
-blink-eye
-other face

I ain't got much animation experience.. but I just feel there's something very wrong with it..

By the way; she ain't flashing you, she flashes me, she doesn't know I putted her up hereÃ,  ;D

.

Lol.. tbh.. I already thought of an other view being much more attractive..

But please keep in mind my character is gonna "Seduce" from each view, so front, back, left side and right side, there just has to be a front side, how "unattractive" it may seem..

I also do understand that looking shy would be a seducement tactic as well. but I have chosen for this, more direct way to seduce, which is indeed easier for me to paint too..
What about this.. horny/seducing face by it:
(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/shy.gif)


Any comments on it for improvements from being a front side?

That poor girl in the picture needs someone to fix her wedgie...


On the art, the animation is too slow fo rwhat you want I think. And her facial expression dosen't fit the mood...

Squink what about this speed?
And don't you think the newer face is better towards the animation?
Maybe the face is a little.. tired.. like; ..again I'm doing this do get some info.. but maybe that's a good thing..

(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/seduce2.gif)

Atleast i tried.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v54/oversizedchicken/edit.png)

Good job Chicky, you hit the spot.. only this will be a verrrrrrrrrrrry difficult job to animate (as you already mentioned)

Tho I definetely will pick some things from this pica in my new edits..

here's a tip, skip a majority of frames in the middle, have her grab the shirt, start lifting the shirt and then skip to her with the shirt up and just ease out by 2 frames, our brains will fill in the rest.

I made two, like these?

(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/seduce3.gif)

..

(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/seduce4.gif)

Pretty much, your old animation was about 18 frames and the new [second one] is 8 and looks fine. Unless you wanted a really slow unveiling...

Actually 6, 8)Ã,  thanks for the tip Eric!!

EDIT: Hehe.. I didn't knew if I could call you like that here, saw your real name on your website.. well.. Eric it is..

Hehe you were right the first time, my name is Eric... It's ok!

Chicky,

I feel like I've just had a long talk with Eugene Levy from American Pie. You know, that scene where he gives the magazines to Jason Biggs.

Cold-shower inducing.

Quote from: DonB on Fri 13/01/2006 15:26:52
I made two, like these?

(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/seduce3.gif)

..

(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/seduce4.gif)

I just want to say that watching this post for long times is amazingly interesting. They go out of sync with each other... then in sync... then out... a mechanical, stark automation out of a 'seduction' animation. Wonderful!

Lol.. what the..

I think for a computer game character, the old sheepish reveal of the shoulder is a little more attractive. This is more the "I'm at a football game and I'm gonna show the blokes my cahoojas!" sort of thing. Yeah, I just made that word up. Cahoojas.

A turn to the side, some winking, or fast eye blinking... it would be a little more feminine, I think. Even a little lift of the leg. Stereotypical, but classic too. You could still have her do a front/left/right/back version, but have her turn slightly to the side in each of them.

This is the best I could find off the cuff: http://dev.newtontalk.net/~tokimi/avi/anime/lum.jpg

Its not exactly what I means, but it's just to show that a bit of a turn and feminine charms have that real sexy look.

Well, I don't think that original "seduce" animation is good.
It's kind of childish... or drunk-high-school-cheerleader type

I suggest this (but the anim should be slow and smooth!):

*Roxy slowly changes pose so she's supported by her left foot, revealing bottom and figure more
* Places left hand onto hip (somewhat suggestive)
* This should also extend her breasts, pulling stomach back
* does something sexy with her right hand, like correcting hair maybe
* eyes could change too, maybe halfway-closed

It's quite weird if explained like this  ::). Actually this is the oldest and most popular pose. All beauty contestants use this, if you're ever happened to see any shows (Miss whatever).

I threw together a quick sketch of final pose:

(http://www.increator.pri.ee/i/critshelp/seduce.png)

And random google came up with this:
(http://www.glorywrestling.com/gg/AllisonDanger/3.jpg)


If she's animated slowly and smoothly into this pose from original, well, quite seductive could that be :D

Thanks all for your new detailed and helpful reactions about this topic, tho.. this is a kinda old topic, like you all know the entire roxy changed.. anyways.. i will not do the same animation i have shown in this thread with the new roxy, i will do like you guys say, slowly turning aside and.. blabla.. u guys already told it.. seems like i got work to do :)

..and again, my good afternoon world of warcraft is ruined cause u guys bring me on new, better inspiration for ideas for my game.

i sense an excuse for porn.

I dont think that animation is at all appropriate for seduction, unless you plan on her being a hooker.

maybe some kind of undoing of buttons, if you dont want to switch the perspective.

I advise switching the perspective though, or some kind of close up anim, along the shoulder lines previouslky suggested.

To keep it simple while still trying to seduce, I say do one or more of the following:

- Have her turn away from the target, wiggling her butt a little
- Show some shoulder so it's not completely trashy
- Playfully unbutton a few buttons of her blouse (then button them back up quickly) - could be done easily, move her hands around on each button, having it open a bit more each time, slowing down the further down she goes, or something like that.
- Stretch back, play with her hair, stretch arms in sexy manner

There are so many possibilities to try. What you have now, Donb, is a potential "Girls Gone Wild" girl (Mardi Gras flasher). Just pulling upthe shirt to show half of her boobs isn't the best way to "seduce". "Flash", maybe, but not seduce. ;)

That having been said, I think the idea of a "Seduce" action is very unique, original, and creative. I can't wait to play your game when it's released. ;D

I've been looking that animation for two hours now, and she never shows anything, don't waste your time..
;D



(sorry for the off topic)

QuoteThat having been said, I think the idea of a "Seduce" action is very unique, original, and creative. I can't wait to play your game when it's released.Ã, 

thanks, and.. you will be amazed..

QuoteI've been looking that animation for two hours now, and she never shows anything, don't waste your time..

No.. thats right.. you have to look 3 hours to see her nipplesÃ,  ;D ;D

;) again.. appreciated for all your responds..

Quote from: InCreator on Thu 26/01/2006 10:03:59
Well, I don't think that original "seduce" animation is good.
It's kind of childish... or drunk-high-school-cheerleader type

I suggest this (but the anim should be slow and smooth!):

*Roxy slowly changes pose so she's supported by her left foot, revealing bottom and figure more
* Places left hand onto hip (somewhat suggestive)
* This should also extend her breasts, pulling stomach back
* does something sexy with her right hand, like correcting hair maybe
* eyes could change too, maybe halfway-closed

It's quite weird if explained like thisÃ,  ::). Actually this is the oldest and most popular pose. All beauty contestants use this, if you're ever happened to see any shows (Miss whatever).

I threw together a quick sketch of final pose:

(http://www.increator.pri.ee/i/critshelp/seduce.png)

And random google came up with this:
(http://www.glorywrestling.com/gg/AllisonDanger/3.jpg)


If she's animated slowly and smoothly into this pose from original, well, quite seductive could that be :D

oh no, increator likes fat chicks!  :o

LOL  ;D ;D

I knew he did.. I just knew it..

Quote from: Mordalles on Thu 26/01/2006 23:57:35
oh no, increator likes fat chicks!Ã,  :o

This is fat to you?

not a lot, just a bit overweight, atleast in our country.  ;D
dont take me so seriously.

I don't think she's fat, but she IS hideous.

Her head is long and skinny compared to her body, and the pivoting of her ass makes her one leg look meatier than the other, like Stephen Hawking if he were a woman with a long skinny head and the ability to walk...

..and now Inn is gonna say; thats my girlfriend.. then what..

now we better get back ontopic before ninjaboy closes this thread..

You people have issues. To me, she's more than i can hope to get.

I think her pose could be more dynamic and I'd correct some of the anatomy issues.

The girl in the photo is NOT fat.

The girl in the photo is a wrestler. I think that should explain enough. :p

Mordales, where do you come from?! Anorexonia?? o_O I'm shocked that you think that's fat. I won't make an issue out of it but... holy christ.

I agree, my first thought was "urg!" cause I find that neither seductive or attractive. To me, that's almost as "in your face" Mardi-gras girl as the lift of the shirt... but still, man, she's not even a little overweight. Not a tiny bit. Look at that stomach dude, I wish I had a stomach like that.

she is a tiny bit overweight. ull know what imtalking about if u spend one day on a south african university campus. girls are smaller and curvier. which means sexier.

I'll let you know if I ever spend one day at a south african university campus.

She's not overweight at all! :-\ Even though people is smaller than you doesnt mean that you are overweight!

'Sexy' is objective but I would argue that overweight is, for the most part, not. I think you'll find 99% of people would be nothing less than weirded out by you calling that girl 'overweight'.

...and like Victor said, just because there are people smaller than that, doesn't mean the bigger ones are overweight. Overweight means you have more weight than is generally thought healthy for your height, etc.

Quote from: Kinoko on Sat 28/01/2006 13:53:21
I think you'll find 99% of people would be nothing less than weirded out by you calling that girl 'overweight'.

Or even "fat" at all!

haha, I say we have the what ever is next on the list mittens at a South African university campus :D ... you know the body mass index that defines wherther you're overweight or not? I bet Mordalles doesn't :P
Ã,  Ã,  Ã, All you do is divide your weight with the square root of your height. Height in metres and weight in kilos. then if you're grown up, and it's over 25 you're a bit overweight... hmmm, something's wrong, says 49,5 on me...I'm not dying yet. Wait... yeah, ok, it's your weight in kilos divided by your height²... yes, that explains alot... mine is 21

EDIT: Vict0r, it does take into account it all, but this one I typed here is just the short way, you can count it by waistline and thighs and such, I don't know how it works, but I'm sure google knows ;)

Anyway, that girl is not fat, nor in a seductive position. Nor is the foxy lady. You'd better do as is said, google images for "lum" and you'll see what's seductive... or you can join the forums there as other freaks do ::) http://lum-chan.bbox.org/startlum.html

Yes, the BMI is one way to do it, but its very inaccurate, as it often does not take into account many factors such as height, body type, and relative amount of muscle mass. Anyhoo, that chick aint fat! Examples of overweight(warning, adult, and nasty, material):www.fatfantasy.com (http://www.fatfantasy.com)

haha, i completely disaggree with everyone.Ã,  ;D

no, i just think its a case of different lifestyles. my generation ate mostly home cooked meals and did sport after school (didnt sit infront of the pcÃ,  all day ;D), and so 90% of the girls around campus are mostly thinner than that girl. and most of my friends would aggree that that girl is a tiny bit overweight (not much). it just seems that, in general, countries like america the population seems bigger (not necessarily fatter, just bigger.) just bigger people.

they are starting to discuss these issues in my country, since its seems like the kids here are starting to do less and less physical activities, due to the ever increasing video games and kids staying indoor. so its starting to look the same here in the younger ages. were becoming more and more americanized.

but i might be completely wrong, like everyone seems to be pointing out to me.

its almost like that girl in that bigmac movie saying that it is unrealistic to be thin, when its suppose to be normal to be thin and not overweight, not the other way around. animals only eat when they need to, and so should humans.Ã,  :-\

ps, i think anorexic chicks are ugly.

attack me now.

This girl is NOT overweight! Not a tad fat! Overweight dont have anything to do with what type of people you are familiar with, but with BMI and all that previously mentioned stuff.

Quote from: Mordalles on Sat 28/01/2006 19:36:53
...its almost like that girl in that bigmac movie saying that it is unrealistic to be thin, when its suppose to be normal to be thin and not overweight...

Noone is supposed to be thin, nor overweight! We are supposed to be muscular and slightly fatty to keep warm and to hunt prey. The only reason people are thin nowadays is an issue of the ideal woman, that which have changed through the ages. In the wild west, the ideal woman was chubby and tough, and not skinny.

Why dont you post a pic of your ideal woman then Mordy?

http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/9695/050525093zj.jpg

Oh god, my eyes! I didnt know you liked fattys too Haddas! This is more like it! (http://www.morning-earth.org/Images/skeletonL.jpg)

Quote from: vict0r on Sat 28/01/2006 19:59:39
This girl is NOT overweight! Not a tad fat! Overweight dont have anything to do with what type of people you are familiar with, but with BMI and all that previously mentioned stuff.

Quote from: Mordalles on Sat 28/01/2006 19:36:53
...its almost like that girl in that bigmac movie saying that it is unrealistic to be thin, when its suppose to be normal to be thin and not overweight...

Noone is supposed to be thin, nor overweight! We are supposed to be muscular and slightly fatty to keep warm and to hunt prey. The only reason people are thin nowadays is an issue of the ideal woman, that which have changed through the ages. In the wild west, the ideal woman was chubby and tough, and not skinny.

Why dont you post a pic of your ideal woman then Mordy?

we are suppose to be slightly fatty?????? youre right, people are suppose to have some fat (a certain percentage), but not fat that makes you look fat.
i protest! that girl IS a tad overweight. BMI blah blah, if there is fat, there is fat.
thin because of the ideal woman? what about thin because their leading a normal healthy lifestyle.
and dont post pics of anorexic chics, that just means u are completely missing the point.
or u didnt know that girls can be normal thin without being fat nor anorexic.
i wont post a pic of my ideal woman, since she will be pretty mad if i posted her pic on some random internet site.

Yes, nature designed us so fat could keep us warm! Same purpose as hair. Just like animals!

And you dont have to post a pic of your anorexic girlfriend, just some girl you feel look right.

sigh  ::)

Please keep this on topic, people.  You're all old enough to know that hijacking threads is ILLEGAL!  Now don't make me slap your hands again.

Don- I think you have a few too many frames there still, it looks more like a garage door lifting than a woman baring her 'assets' to the general public.  Also,l since you've been polishing the design I'd like to see you update this thread with the newer Roxy doing the animation.

QuoteDon- I think you have a few too many frames there still, it looks more like a garage door lifting than a woman baring her 'assets' to the general public.Ã,  Also,l since you've been polishing the design I'd like to see you update this thread with the newer Roxy doing the animation.

yeh.. its not good.. i know.. will rechange it completely in a few weeks..

I PM-ed you about lockin' this thread untill then ProgZ..

Locked thread as per DonB's request.  Will unlock when he has something new to update.

Edit:  Unlocked as he has something new to add.  Let's keep the critiques on topic and relevant, please.

It's been a while, I got all you guys' critics and worked quite hard on this, how simple it may look;

(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/seduce.gif)
dont look to close.. this version got more bugs then the x2 version

x2
(http://home.unet.nl/carl/anders/seducebig.gif)

A few bugs I already noticed myself, i will improve that later:
-a few frames of the ass moving are quite lame.. as you can see when you look close
-the arms are sometimes moving, while they should be locked in their pockets

anyways.. like it??..

Heay now thats foxy ;)

The tail should move aswell, on its own not just with ass

I like it however its nice.

That's disgusting :o :o no, just kidding, though she does look like she's wabbling her bottocks with her hands that are in her back pockets. I mean, how does she do the movement, I've never seen anyone doing that. Oh, and I'd call you a perv. if that wasn't politically incorrect thing to do ;D same goes to the whole forums!

hehe, they unlocked the thread! haha. no i can go on disaggreeing with everyone again. Ã, ;D

anyway, i like the animation, donb! aggree that the tail could move as well. up and down. like a flag. did that make sense?

Wow, so much potential with this one. You could have a lot of fun with the tail movement. Also maybe she bends her knees a little and rolls her hips for the shake. Her hands should not be in the pockets for this. Have her lean forward a bit, so she looks over her shoulder at an angle.

ya, "shake your tail-feather"! should be interesting to see how this turns out. ;D

Ahh.. okay.. got some nice feedback from you guys here.. I can do some things with that!.. appreciated!

I'm reminded of Shema's dance from QFG2.  Much nicer than the Girls Gone Wild style picture. Plus, the shading looks really nice.

Shemas dance was nice until she did one part... I can't remember what it was but I remember thinking "Eww, Shema! What are you doing??"

As a bona fide furry freak, I have to say her tail is much too small.