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Title: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Monk on Sat 13/09/2008 10:08:41
hello there!  ;D

this here 2 unfinished screenshots from my work in progress game, im hoping you could suggest something to add or even criticize,

i left the room blank in purpose, so you can freely add this and thats with your suggestions...

I Thank you for your helps!

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z37/okiishirow/scrnshot1.jpg)

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z37/okiishirow/scrnshot2-1.jpg)

P.S :
terribly sorry for me broken english...!
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Spike4072 on Sat 13/09/2008 10:15:13
One thing that jumped out at me is how blurry that cloud is in the first shot. You have sharp foreground blurry middle then sharp background. That kind of messed with the depth and hurts my eyes to look at it. It all looks good just the blurryness is messing with my eyes ;)
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Monk on Sat 13/09/2008 10:18:12
Blurry cloud.. Got It!! :D thanks Spike, Alot... more to come?
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: TerranRich on Sat 13/09/2008 23:00:14
In the 2nd room, both walls seem to blend into one big wall. There's nothing dividing them. Perhaps make one wall darker than the other (depending on the light source), and use a slight gradient -- a SLIGHT gradient -- to show that those are two separate walls.

And hang some pictures or paintings up on the walls, maybe some picture frames on that shelf in the back.
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Monk on Sun 14/09/2008 06:48:55
Depth,lets see what i can do.. Be posting the new image soon! Thanks alot terran!
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Mazoliin on Sun 14/09/2008 08:34:14
It's not just the clouds that seems blurred to me, around all brown in the green room and the cracks for the bricks in the first picture also appears blurred.

If all of this "blurriness" is intentional, then I would recommend you to stop using it, because it isn't easy for the eye.

However, if it's not intentional, then all I can say is: Be warned! Keep your eyes out for blurriness! IMO, it ruin the pictures.
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Monk on Sun 14/09/2008 20:47:49
Thank you again.. The revamped version are underway.. I will keep that 'blur' thing in mind,ill try make things as sharp as possible.. Again thank you!
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Matti on Mon 15/09/2008 12:26:04
The first thing that came to my mind was that the guy has a sharp black outline and everything else doesn't.

I would either give everything that outline or make the characters outline similar to the colors of his clothes/hair/skin. I'd prefer giving everything a black outline I think..
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Babar on Mon 15/09/2008 13:53:10
I dunno....I think it's a nice style, and a pretty way of distinguishing between the main character and the surroundings.
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: TerranRich on Mon 15/09/2008 15:43:41
I like the black outline. It's a nice style, like Babar said, and I wouldn't change it.
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Ryan Timothy B on Tue 16/09/2008 00:14:41
I also prefer the black outline.
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Monk on Tue 16/09/2008 07:00:22
well thanks guys, imma keep the black outline ;D

this is a couple of updates on the WIP... ive changed the cloud blurs and adds some bits to the livingroom, please add more suggestions before i finalize it :)

Thanks Guys!

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z37/okiishirow/BG-Balconyclouded.png)

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z37/okiishirow/BG-Room1alt.png)
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: gypsysnail on Tue 16/09/2008 07:53:00
Brillant work! I would suggest the plates on the top shelf and the pot by the door have some shadows and also emit shadows from behind them.... the plates that overlap each other could have shadows between them. Otherwise, fantastic work! I will be looking forward to the game.
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Monk on Tue 16/09/2008 08:24:32
gypsysnail, thank you!

i'll give another tweak for the shadows.. again,thanks! that helps!
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: TerranRich on Tue 16/09/2008 16:01:54
Great work, except that the walls still aren't differentiated. They blend together, as they are all the same color.
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Snarky on Tue 16/09/2008 17:09:39
Personally, I'd say that's not a problem.

However, I would quite like to see a version of the character without the black outlines (or a background with them), just to see how it would compare to this style.
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: InCreator on Tue 16/09/2008 17:45:31
I like it quite much. Very functional, yet simple AND good-looking. Sounds like ultimate formula to get some games done!

What I would whine about is color: there's almost no color!

First image has 3 colors total and second one - 4 (green, blue, black, brown)... where's rest of palette?  This is enough to make cartoony, beautiful graphics, but not enough to make it look interesting aswell...

So put more palette into it, it isn't CGA era anymore!
But to not turn this into color battle, use more low-saturation tones, everything you've used (apart from upper sky) is very highly saturated. Not best idea IMO.

Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Monk on Tue 16/09/2008 18:56:02
Wow,that's make me on fire! InCreator.. Since my english are not good,need quite a time to understand wht you mean,hehe. . But i get it now, let me do some more tweaks on the room,wallshadows,more colors.. And prepare the un-outlined character..

Much Thanks!
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Uhfgood on Tue 16/09/2008 21:26:03
Monk - could you posssibly do a tutorial on how you did your backgrounds?
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Spike4072 on Tue 16/09/2008 21:42:00
Looks very nice. Some of it almost looks like 3d cell shaded. :)
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: TerranRich on Wed 17/09/2008 02:21:22
Another thing I'd like to point out is the flatness of the colors. There's no variation in coloring, and everything looks a little flat. If that's the intended style of the game, that's probably OK and it may even be interesting. Just pointing it out.
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Monk on Wed 17/09/2008 07:40:50
yes, i realize that too terran, well since this game 'greenback' will be its first debut, i just want to point out to users in the 'character's' room that he likes the color green..

i will add some odds and end for the room later, boy i hope it brighten and vary the colors a bit.. hehe,

i will keep that in mind for the next room.. thanks terran,

phew, hope can make a topic at 'game in progress' later, this one really need betatesters to try and comment it by lookin' n tryin' it from a closer look.. ;p

p.s:

as for tutorials, i barely standing on my both feet here.. hehe, i think ill learn more myself so you wont be dissapointed wit the tutoril.. hehe, just pm me for maybe i can give some useful help..
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Matti on Wed 17/09/2008 11:43:54
PLEASE change the tone of that green wallcolor, it's horrible in my opinion. And giving both walls different tones would be cool too, as mentioned before.
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Monk on Wed 17/09/2008 12:05:29
hmm.. green is that bad ya? very well i will give a couple shots with different colors for the wall before continue/releasing the game..

any color suggestions for the wall? thank you very much!
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Matti on Wed 17/09/2008 12:16:05
Well, green in general isn't too bad. The color of the chairs for example is okay. It's just the tone of that green color on the wall. It's too bright and annoying. Nevertheless I would try to give the walls a bright brown or a yellow color, just play around a bit and see what fits best.
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Monk on Wed 17/09/2008 13:07:52
okay matti... thanks alot, ill see what i can do, meanwhille this some things i've change

- the shadows
- add some colors
- still green tho.. :P

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z37/okiishirow/BG-Room1alt-1.png)

ill post the tweaked wall version soon...
much appreciate for the helps, i really need this, i want my first game to be satisfying..!

cheers
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Snarky on Wed 17/09/2008 14:44:44
I think the flatness of the original colors worked better. This one doesn't seem as stylized, and I think that makes you more critical of individual aspects when looking at it.
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Uhfgood on Wed 17/09/2008 22:45:04
I like the new shading, makes the walls look more dynamic. 

Also don't try to worry too much about having too much green.  You're making your character have more unique attributes.  Whereas in most games you might sketch out a biographical profile stating their favorite color is this, and favorite food is that, and don't really end up using it in the game, your choice of his color choices makes for a more grounded character.  The character likes green alot so he's going to be doing alot of green in the personal choices he makes.

Personally I don't find anything wrong in your backgrounds.  It's more about style and preference.  Some people may prefer the older style (with the single shade of green for the walls with no deliniation), some the new.  I personally prefer that latest version because it shows where one wall stops and another starts.  Also I like the simple uses of colors, you're not trying to do shades and shades of stuff, it works well with your art style.

As far as the tutorial goes, they say the best way to learn is by teaching.  So if you start a tutorial, you'll probably learn things along the way, and if there's anything amiss I'm sure the more experienced artists would point you in the right direction.

Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Monk on Thu 18/09/2008 07:52:14
thank you, uhfgood.. that surely calms me down a bit from worrying, hehe.. well i think im going to stick on the last version, only adding a little bit this and that..

so, at the end, i really want to thank you to all people who have help me here alot improving my drawings..

more power to you guys,

'cheers

- The Monk -
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: zabnat on Thu 18/09/2008 10:46:06
Couple of things that struck me: first, I would lower the overall saturation a bit, I will be much more calming to the eye then. Second thing is the "do not cross" tapes, from this angle it's kind of hard to make out where the tapes are attached and this makes them look a bit weird. Also somehow the black on the tapes stand out. Thirdly the sofa frame seem to be blending to other objects especially on the parts that are "in the shadow". Maybe you could add a darker outline on the shadow areas.
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Monk on Thu 18/09/2008 10:50:48
noted zabnat, thanks! i do think so too, since there are alot of green there.. and the tape, yeah,that too.. thanks!
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: gypsysnail on Thu 18/09/2008 17:04:06
The shadows on the plates look SO much better and I love the red cloth on the shelf that the clock and photoframes sit on.

I also like the green. If thats the colour you chose then that is your choice and I like it, it goes well with the other colours, the whole style really.

And as quoted by Uhfgood
Quote from: Uhfgood on Tue 16/09/2008 21:26:03
Monk - could you posssibly do a tutorial on how you did your backgrounds?
I agree, I think you should as your style is an excellent one and people would like to learn from you. We are always looking for new styles to adopt and learn from in our own style developments.
Title: Re: Suggestions & Critics for a couple WIPs
Post by: Monk on Thu 18/09/2008 20:29:51
Very well then,

actually, the artstyle of mine are nothing fancy,but if you guys could make somehing good from it i think it worth a try, (me never wrote a tutorial before)hehe.. And kinda dunno which forum part should i post my tutorial..

a pointers should be luvly,Hehe,

Ill try my best..

Thank you!