Tell me honestly....

CaptainD · Thu 05/07/2012 14:57:46

Don't worry about the limp, I can write in a backstory to that!

FrankT · Thu 05/07/2012 22:38:28

No good - some might think I'm just using that as an excuse.

FrankT · Fri 06/07/2012 13:35:39

Although then again, it might be just the way I positioned some of the frames. Would you say this demonstration looks correct?

[imgzoom]http://www.majhost.com/gallery/EvilGuy/SfSaM/iceman.gif[/imgzoom]

Edit: Made animation zoomable - Snarky

CaptainD · Fri 06/07/2012 14:44:36

It looks pretty good to me. A little hard to tell with it being so small, but the walking motion looks reasonably natural.

Snarky · Fri 06/07/2012 15:53:39

No, it's still uneven. Try matching each frame with the same frame for the other leg (so the one with left leg in front with the one with right leg in front, etc.). To me, the one that looks off is with the right leg (closest to us) at the very back. I think he drops a pixel on that frame that he doesn't on the other leg.

FrankT · Fri 06/07/2012 16:30:58

Really? I mean it's so hard to tell...

Well anyway, I think I've eased up Richie's movement a little. Or at least lessened the limping.

[imgzoom]http://www.majhost.com/gallery/EvilGuy/SfSaM/richie_walkcycle2.gif[/imgzoom]

Tabata · Fri 06/07/2012 18:40:09

I am not the one to teach, but I like to learn from those interesting threads, too

So how about this rhythm of your nice walkcycle?

[imgzoom]http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/120706/8wexneo3.gif[/imgzoom]

Of course I'll delete this one, if you mind - just tell me.

FrankT · Fri 06/07/2012 19:13:05

Seems to run smoother. What'd you do?

Tabata · Fri 06/07/2012 19:18:05

I only deleted layer 3 and "pushed the others a bit aroundâ€ to be at the highest point,
when legs are together and at the lowest, when the legs are spread the most.

So there isn't really much changed

Snarky · Fri 06/07/2012 23:58:04

Quote from: FrankT on Fri 06/07/2012 16:30:58
Really? I mean it's so hard to tell...

Is it? Maybe I'm confusing you because you think "limp" means there's something wrong with the legs. Actually, a limp is most noticeable in the head movement.

Just ignore the rest of the body and watch the head. See that rhythm: it bobs a little, then it bobs a lot; it bobs a little, then a lot; a little, a lot; little, lot, little, lot...

It's the same in Tabatha's edit.

QuoteWell anyway, I think I've eased up Richie's movement a little. Or at least lessened the limping.

[imgzoom]http://www.majhost.com/gallery/EvilGuy/SfSaM/richie_walkcycle2.gif[/imgzoom]

OK, I've taken a closer look at it in an image editor. The animation has 8 frames, and the leg movement is pretty regular: frame 1 matches frame 5 (roughly) except with the other leg, 2 matches 6, 3-7, and 4-8. It's all good. (Actually, 4 and 8 don't match very well, which could be a bit of a problem in itself and the reason for this mistake in the first place, but let's focus on the more important part for now.) However, if you compare the head position between those "matching" frames, you see that they don't match at all: frame 1 is one pixel higher than frame 5, 2 is one higher than 6, 3 is one LOWER than 7 (so on the frame where his head goes down on the one leg, it actually goes UP on the other), and 4 is one lower than 8.

Unless one of his legs is longer than the other (i.e. he's limping), his head should be the same distance above ground when his legs are in the same position only switched. If you match the head/torso position between frames 1 and 5, 2-6, 3-7, and 4-8, the limp will disappear.

EchosofNezhyt · Sat 07/07/2012 00:06:09

Thats what it was, I couldn't quite place it.

FrankT · Sat 07/07/2012 12:58:39

Aha! Now I see where you're getting at! Finally the limp is eliminated.

[imgzoom]http://www.majhost.com/gallery/EvilGuy/SfSaM/richie_walkcycle3.gif[/imgzoom]

Now we're getting somewhere!!

EchosofNezhyt · Sat 07/07/2012 15:47:24

Looks good.

Tabata · Sat 07/07/2012 15:56:08

cool - well done changings

FrankT · Sat 07/07/2012 18:26:46

Thanks very much!

Right, moving on... I've got two new things - first, a take on the Golden Gun, which is made of silver or possibly even platinum:

[imgzoom]http://www.majhost.com/gallery/EvilGuy/SfSaM/gun.png[/imgzoom]

There's also Richie walking downwards. But I dunno... he looks like he's sort of... floating... wouldn't you say?

[imgzoom]http://www.majhost.com/gallery/EvilGuy/SfSaM/richie_walkcycle4.gif[/imgzoom]

EchosofNezhyt · Sat 07/07/2012 18:48:15

It's not bad, I have trouble with downwards walks. But riche needs to look like his arms are bending up and his feet prolly need a frame that looks like his foot is in the air so that he doesn't look like hes sliding.

I might be wrong though I've only been animating for like a month or so now.

TomatoesInTheHead · Sat 07/07/2012 20:42:40

Quote from: FrankT on Sat 07/07/2012 18:26:46
There's also Richie walking downwards. But I dunno... he looks like he's sort of... floating... wouldn't you say?

[imgzoom]http://www.majhost.com/gallery/EvilGuy/SfSaM/richie_walkcycle4.gif[/imgzoom]

Shouldn't his head bop twice during one cycle, that is, once for each leg?

FrankT · Sat 07/07/2012 21:11:32

Probably. It's quite hard to tell when the animation runs as fast as that. Don't worry, I'll have a look at it.

FrankT · Mon 09/07/2012 16:34:06

Well, it turns out the positioning is almost correct; I just had to tweak his head movement so he goes up on both legs in one cycle. And I made the back sprite. By now he can actually walk in an environment like this one....

[imgzoom]http://www.majhost.com/gallery/EvilGuy/SfSaM/001.png[/imgzoom]

Although perhaps I should've drawn him larger.... or maybe not.

FrankT · Mon 16/07/2012 12:23:45

Well, since I'm not much good with aligning scaling in multiple walkable areas, I'm going to have to overhaul the prelude house. Now this one's a rehash of a scenario from SWAT 2.

Tell me - does the lighting look right in this overhead shot?