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Title: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Ionias on Wed 16/05/2007 16:38:30
I'm about to start on Fatman's walking animations and I can't decide between these two incarnations of him.

(http://www.socko1.com/images/fatman.gif)

I like the one on the left because he's so fat, but the one on the right has that superhero quality about him. Help me decide which one to use in the game. Which Fatman do you like better and why? Oh, and if you have any C&C on either of the two it would be much appreciated.

Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Jon on Wed 16/05/2007 16:48:42
I would prefer the 'Fatman' on the left. As he adds a comical appearence, which some people can relate to :P
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Mouth for war on Wed 16/05/2007 16:52:30
Well the left one delivers what it says...FATMAN hehe...the right one doesn't look so fat :D
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Ubel on Wed 16/05/2007 16:53:39
Definitely the left one. They both look awesome though. :)
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Peder 🚀 on Wed 16/05/2007 16:54:22
Left one!!! :P

but yeah, both look awesome!
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Dave Gilbert on Wed 16/05/2007 17:01:01
Left one.  Definitely.  The one on the right is too buff.
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Nikolas on Wed 16/05/2007 17:02:43
Left one for me as well!

Just that his hands are kinda tiny, compaired to his body. Reminds me of a chicken or something. Which is funny -> Well done then! :D
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Indie Boy on Wed 16/05/2007 17:03:52
Left one defo. Can't wait so see this guy's fat jiggle ;D
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Scummbuddy on Wed 16/05/2007 17:12:18
I was about to say, what if the one on the right had more of a gut, but then I wouldn't think anyone mildly fat would go about calling himself "Fatman", so I suppose I will go with the left version as well.

Well done style!
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: He-Man on Wed 16/05/2007 17:21:33
I would also say the one to the left. His shoes are also cooler...
There's something about their lower face that I'm not digging. It's like the jaw is too big and square. I like the old Fatman face better...
Otherwise very cool sprite!
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: vertigoaddict on Wed 16/05/2007 17:28:04
Left, he imposes the right image for a comical superhero called 'Fatman'; the right one could be his side-kick! >w< (but then, I never played fatman before, so I don't know if he already has a sidekick)
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Helm on Wed 16/05/2007 17:33:56
Left one definately. The game is called Fatman, not Batman-with-beer-belly.
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Misj' on Wed 16/05/2007 18:43:27
Same as everyone here: left but...

With the arms of the one on the right (don't like the tiny arms on the left).

I did me some copy-pasting:
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/fatmanish.gif)

Just my personal preference. Otherwise great image(s).

Misj'
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: markbilly on Wed 16/05/2007 19:11:40
Quote from: Misj' on Wed 16/05/2007 18:43:27
me some copy-pasting:
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/fatmanish.gif)

I like this edit. But if it had to be out of the ones above, I'd say the left.
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: ManicMatt on Wed 16/05/2007 19:41:47
Left left left again!

Or howabout one that's inbetween? If memory serves me correct in the last game he was inbetween those two. Of course he could have just ate more donuts.  ;D
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Ionias on Wed 16/05/2007 19:52:47
Quote from: Misj' on Wed 16/05/2007 18:43:27

With the arms of the one on the right (don't like the tiny arms on the left).
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/fatmanish.gif)

Wow, thanks for the great response everyone! So everyone loves the left one then I guess eh? :) I thought the voting would be split down the middle. What does everyone think of Misj's edit with a sort of combination of images? Should I go with the chicken arms of the original or the superhero arms?
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: glaft on Wed 16/05/2007 19:57:14
superhero arms look better. i'm not extremely fond of that jawline too
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Jon on Wed 16/05/2007 19:58:18
I prefer the chicken arms, as it would make his walkcycle really comical!
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: ManicMatt on Wed 16/05/2007 20:05:51
Longer arms look better imo, and also I reckon longer arms would be easier to animate? Imagine animating him reaching for an item on a shelf with those tiny arms!
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Nikolas on Wed 16/05/2007 21:18:00
Chicken arms, mike.

Oh!

and when the game is complete, I do expect all of our names to be mentioned in the thanks section, right? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens on Thu 17/05/2007 00:02:32
I think they're both drawn very well, but what would be funny to me would be to see him trying to fit into tights far too small for him, something between the two.  This is a really quick edit to give you an idea of what I mean.  Also, didn't Fatman have a round butt chin in the original?

(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/fatman2.gif)
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: DrewCCU on Thu 17/05/2007 02:01:56
i like both of them. here is my opinon:

i wouldn't go w/ the one on the right at all becuase he's not fat enough.

So, if i had to pick then it'd be the one on the left, however, I think he may be a bit too fat.  I think it'd be better if you made a happy medium - something in between those two.
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Ionias on Thu 17/05/2007 04:17:39
Quote from: Nikolas on Wed 16/05/2007 21:18:00
and when the game is complete, I do expect all of our names to be mentioned in the thanks section, right? ;D ;D

lol, of course.
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: gASK on Thu 17/05/2007 10:26:26
I would go with the left one as well.

Now about the arms - the original "chicken" one leaves me with impression of a ridiculous fat guy who ic wearing a costume for some convention.

The edit with longer arms looks more like a superhero with some more weight on. I would go with that one if you want him to do some serious "superheroing". If you want him more (much more) on the funnier side, go with the chicken arms.
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: zabnat on Thu 17/05/2007 12:28:53
Yes, the fat one definitely. Also I prefer him with those superhero arms. Also I like the jaw on progzmax edit.
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: SpacePirateCaine on Thu 17/05/2007 14:08:05
I think, like everyone else, that if you're going to have a superhero called fatman, he should really be grotesquely obese - otherwise it's lacking in the real shock value I think it should have. Now, I would find it pretty entertaining if that yellow utility belt was holding in some of his flab at the beginning of the game, exploded and left him the enormous version of himself in the left image, assuming you're looking to use some visual/slapstick sort of comedy (I know that I, being a big dude myself, use the ol' "tighten the belt to appear slightly thinner" technique).

I do think the bum-chin looks good, or something that isn't quite as zig-zaggy on his face. However, I'd like to see some talking animation to know for sure. But that does remind me - if he's fat, shouldn't he have a double chin (at least)?
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Traveler on Thu 17/05/2007 14:20:14
Left one, long arms and ProgZMax's chin.

Looking forward to the game.
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Erwin_Br on Fri 18/05/2007 16:55:01
I'm a fan of Misja's edit as well: Long arms.

--Erwin
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: manored on Fri 18/05/2007 21:18:54
Quote from: Ionias on Thu 17/05/2007 04:17:39
Quote from: Nikolas on Wed 16/05/2007 21:18:00
and when the game is complete, I do expect all of our names to be mentioned in the thanks section, right? ;D ;D

lol, of course.
That will make the game more impressive, since people will look to the credits and think "ooh look how many people worked on this game!" :)
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Ionias on Sat 19/05/2007 00:46:26
Quote from: ProgZmax on Thu 17/05/2007 00:02:32
Also, didn't Fatman have a round butt chin in the original?
(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/fatman2.gif)

I love your butt chin ProgZmax! I'll have to add that in. :) Looks like the vote is in on the fat Fatman and the long arms. Thanks everyone for your input! :)
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: BRAINofDOOM on Sun 20/05/2007 21:24:51
Hey, Mike, and everyone else.

I'm giving Mike a hand on Fatman 2 art-wise.

So far, that in-between mix with the butt-chin is most popular.

(Kinda like an updated version of his original model)

I'm going to visit here often and post some of my work, so please, crits welcome.

;D
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Tuomas on Sun 20/05/2007 23:33:50
However, I'd put the butt-chin on the real fatso on the first page. I think that one is the best and really looks the way he sounds.
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: BRAINofDOOM on Mon 21/05/2007 00:55:28
Sorry, I forgot to add:

Suggestions.

Suggestions are obviously very welcome.

I like what I'm hearing so far...
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Ionias on Mon 21/05/2007 03:25:28
Quote from: Tuomas on Sun 20/05/2007 23:33:50
However, I'd put the butt-chin on the real fatso on the first page. I think that one is the best and really looks the way he sounds.

I agree, I think this is what we'll go with. The fat Fatman with long arms and the butt chin. :) BTW Morgan aka BrainofDOOM will be doing all the background artworks and animations.
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Snarky on Mon 21/05/2007 09:47:36
Shouldn't a Fatman sequel be called "The Lard Knight Returns"?

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Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Afflict on Mon 21/05/2007 16:29:56
Wow Like the art it's clean. Fatman on the left... and between the arms, I like the charm of the quirky stumpy arms.
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: He-Man on Tue 22/05/2007 12:17:01
Quote from: Traveler on Thu 17/05/2007 14:20:14
Left one, long arms and ProgZMax's chin.
My surgestion as well...
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: seaduck on Tue 22/05/2007 20:13:08
Hey, did you know that Fatman had a precursor, long time ago?

In a Czech comics from 1992 'Tajemstvi cerneho brouka' (Secret of the Black Beetle) there was a "superhero" called Bantam.. a fat Batman of sorts.

(http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/4548/0452bantamobr3tn4.jpg)
'I'm not a man, but a superhero. But I went bankrupt as a superhero. So now I'm working here as a janitor.'

(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8753/0451bantamobr2ru0.jpg)
'What d'you think you're doing? I'm a superhero! I can..'
'You know what you can?'
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: on Tue 29/05/2007 15:06:49
Hehehe, thats one ugly useless Bantam!!
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens on Wed 30/05/2007 00:59:43
Stay on topic, please.  This is the 'Which Fatman is better?' thread, not the Bantam thread :).
Title: Re: Which Fatman is better?
Post by: BRAINofDOOM on Thu 31/05/2007 23:36:48
Speaking of which.......

Sorry. Kinda busy with finals to post stuff JUST yet. I can try on weekends.