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Title: wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: undergroundling on Tue 17/06/2003 14:25:56
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/oldmanwrincebg.gif)

here's how my character looks against rincewind's style of background he's going to be doing for my game.

i dunno, to me something looks a little off about how the two images mesh, like they don't fit quite right together.

what could either of us do to make the images look more cohesive?

thanks!

- bryan
Title: Re:wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: n3tgraph on Tue 17/06/2003 14:26:49
make another background
or
make another character :P
Title: Re:wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: undergroundling on Tue 17/06/2003 14:28:16
haha...well, the problem isn't as much the visual styles clashing as it is something else.  i think his style fits mine pretty well, but theres something that just makes my character look a little out of place.

- bryan
Title: Re:wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: n3tgraph on Tue 17/06/2003 14:33:54
I think it's the use of colours and the drawing style

your styles differ a lot
Title: Re:wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: Privateer Puddin' on Tue 17/06/2003 14:36:03
on the character, try replacing the black lines with darker versions of the filling colour
Title: Re:wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: DragonRose on Tue 17/06/2003 16:38:44
Or vice versa.  I really like the black outlines better than the coloured outlines.  It's probably just the comic book junky in me, though.

Also, the colours of Mr. Wizard are much more vibrant than in the background.  So, yeah... they don't really go together.  They're both good, they just don't fit.
Title: Re:wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: Rincewind on Tue 17/06/2003 19:29:15
Hm... That hadn't really appeared to me until now... Drats.

Luckily, I haven't started drawing any real backgrounds for the game yet, so I could easily include black outlines in my bg's if that would make it looks better. (Even though I prefer the no-outline look myself... ;D )

Title: Re:wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: SLaMgRInDeR on Tue 17/06/2003 20:10:59
its that the character has such strong black outlines, and the BG has none.
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Title: Re:wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: n3tgraph on Tue 17/06/2003 21:23:41
I also prefer non black outlines
Title: Re:wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: SLaMgRInDeR on Tue 17/06/2003 21:28:51
i didnt say i prefered non black outlines, actually i prefer black outlines actually, i just said that one has them and one hasn't.
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Title: Re:wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: n3tgraph on Tue 17/06/2003 21:43:39
I didn't say you said that

I was stating rincewind with 'also'
Title: Re:wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: Rincewind on Tue 17/06/2003 22:00:03
Undergroundling sent me his character to see if i could make it fit better with the bg - I hope you like it.
I toyed around a little, and tried to remove all black outlines, but the hair and his shoes were a bit tricky...

I'm not 100% about the result - I could easily just do the backgrounds differently if you're not satisfied with the outcome. (I mean, it is your game, after all... ;D )


(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/wizard2.GIF)
Title: Re:wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: Privateer Puddin' on Tue 17/06/2003 22:04:14
think he looks great, couldnt put him on the bg could you?
Title: Re:wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: Synthetique on Tue 17/06/2003 22:04:23
i think darker outlines than that.. it is now in my eyes no outlines.. maybe i have to go see (or not) a doctor?
Title: Re:wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: Rincewind on Tue 17/06/2003 22:10:19
custard:
Thanks - And I really didn't think that far... Hehe. Will try.

Synthetique:
Better see a doctor. I'd say it's serious.
Actually, there are outlines - But not as accentuated as before... :P
Title: Re:wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: TheYak on Tue 17/06/2003 22:15:06
You could re-draw the characters to fit better.. if you did, I'd say make him a tad thinner or at least smaller.

Here's an experiment you could do..  take the pic of the wizard and put it over the background in photoshop..  mess with the brightness/contrast until it fits then use those same settings for your character pic.
Title: Re:wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: undergroundling on Tue 17/06/2003 22:24:08
I think the character actually fits a lot better like that.

I'm just gonna do some touch up work on him and I'll post it back here with the updated screenshot!

- Bryan
Title: Re:wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: DragonRose on Tue 17/06/2003 22:42:19
I did a disgustingly quick edit. I used Undergroundling's original character pic, and then I took Rincewind's background, darkened it and boosted the contrast.

(http://invis.free.anonymizer.com/http://www.geocities.com/dragonrose_1/fantasywoods.png)

I also used a filter (Bad Dragonrose!) to make a sort of outline, but that didn't work to well.  The main thing I wanted to get across was that the colours in Rincewind's background are too light for the character.
Title: Re:wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: undergroundling on Tue 17/06/2003 23:06:05
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/wizardwbackgroundupdate.gif)

I think this looks a lot better here :)

Granted, the background colors still need to be more vibrant, but this isnt a final screen for the game, just more of a test to establish an overall visual style.

I'm still gonna do a few minor touchups on the character, but I think we're a lot closer to establishing our style than we were before.

- Bryan
Title: Re:wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: Privateer Puddin' on Tue 17/06/2003 23:15:56
ooooohh that looks soo much better
Title: Re:wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: TheYak on Tue 17/06/2003 23:47:23
Dragonrose, it looks a bit like an emboss-filter.  :P

However, the character/background do mesh a bit better now.  A suggestion: try an enhance edges or unsharpen-mask filter instead.
Title: Re:wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: n3tgraph on Wed 18/06/2003 08:28:07
better underground...

btw, have you got the talking animation fixed?
Title: Re:wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: on Wed 18/06/2003 09:55:21
That looks a lot better now. However, I would recommend fixing the tree canopy - it's far too small to look credible.
Title: Re:wizard character w/rincewind's background (C+C)
Post by: undergroundling on Wed 18/06/2003 18:02:32
yeah, i really agree that this blends a lot better.  the only thing is rince needs to make the background colors a little more bold and vibrant and i think it'll be all set.

N3TGraph: i DO have the animation fixed and that thread is now updated with the new animation.

- bryan