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I need a little help from anybody in school. And not from Ireland.

I need you to look in your history textbooks and post exactly what it says about Michael Collins in this thread. You should find his name in the index. If not, your curriculum sucks! But seriously, everything it says on him. Or if it's REALLY long and you hate typing, maybe just the juicy bits.

I'd especially like if anybody with an English History Textbook could do this.

And I'd be your best friend. We'd be friends like, say, Dev and Michael Collins. No, wait, better yet. Like Dev and his right hand. And all that friendship at so little cost!

Thanks :) By way of contribution to my own thread, I'll start:

Oh wait, I'm in fourth year. I have no history books. Whoops! Okay, let's look through... hmm... aha!


MICHAEL COLLINS 1980 - 1922
"Michael Collins was born in Clonakilty in 1890 and led the IRB until his death in 1922. He was 31 years of age."

Ah, now, see? Except multiply that information by about 50xINTERESTING and you kind of get what I mean!

PS: Must be a school textbook!!!

here you go :)

CLICK ME (http://michaelcollins.warnerbros.com/cmp/biography.html)

any information should be in there

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No, wait, better yet. Like Dev and his right hand. And all that friendship at so little cost!

is that a codename for sex? - you being the right hand ;)

Quote from: Yufster the Psychadet on Tue 18/11/2003 17:32:10

MICHAEL COLLINS 1980 - 1922
"Michael Collins was born in Clonakilty in 1980 and led the IRB until his death in 1922. He was 31 years of age."

Are you sure that wasn't eric time-travelling? If not, he did rather well to be born after his death!  :P

'English history?!' There are about 1000 textbooks written on every period of history. You'd be hard pressed to find one that had Michael Collins in unless you were specifically studying the period of history he pertains to.

at GCSE i didn't do much english history, and certainly not in my German history at college. :)

CJ, you edited that to make me look dumb. That was mean.

Also, I have read a bunch of books on Collins, and indeed that very website link I was given. I want something on Collins from a school textbook. If anybody has a section/chapter on the War of Independence in Ireland, then you should have something on Collins.

Quote'English history?!' There are about 1000 textbooks written on every period of history. You'd be hard pressed to find one that had Michael Collins in unless you were specifically studying the period of history he pertains to.

It has to be from a school textbook. Most school textbooks will quickly cover modern history from most countries. There should definitely be something on the Irish War of Independence in English and American textbooks at least.

I asked Michael Collins (from here) if he knew he had the same name as Michael Collins. He said yes.

we never had that kinda school textbook..

You can't seriously be telling me that you people from the other parts of the world don't have history books.

That's just insane.

Okay well all those without textbooks... those who know who Michael Collins is (Cork born Collins)... could you, without actually reading anything about him first, post your opinion/knowledge of him, right here.

Don't do any research for this, just post whatever you know about the Michael Collins of the Irish War of Independence.

only had specific ones, last year was Medicine through time and the great american west..

Nothing about him in my school textbooks. I haven't checked it because I'm quite sure there's no mention of that person there...

It was not part of our program when I went to school, but it's changed. I have no information on new contents, though.

I'd be a fool not to know who Michael Collins is, but we don't get super mega history of everything textbooks.

It has nothing to do with the Arab Israeli conflict 1948-1996, so none of those textbooks mention the man.
It has nothing to do with the Weimar Republic or the Third Reich, so it's not in those.
The Easter Uprising provided a footnote in a textbook on world war one.

But I've never heard of a school who would have a course that required a textbook called "The twentieth century and EVERYTHING that happened since every school has this".

and I've returned all my books anyway, high school is like soooo 2 months ago.

Bastards. Our History Textbooks cover every vaguely important historical event since in Ireland since 1200, and every vaguely important historical world event since 1800.

Screw you lot anyway.

Okay, well what do you know about Michael Collins, from anything you've ever seen heard or watched about him?

like Liam Neason?  :P

I have a book entitled the Course of Irish History... there are only 4 pages which include mention of Mr. Collins.

I personally never learned anything about Irish history in school.

I am part Cherokee and part Irish. Those are two races that the American system doesn't really like. The idea of being taught anything about them in a general American school curiculum is just...well, it doesn't happen.

Everything I know of Irish history is self taught. So in short...I don't think anyone is going to be able to help you.

This is the American way though. I have enough Cherokee blood in me to be legally a Native American. However, my birth certificate says that I am white. Which, I am NOT. I cannot legally change this because the american system relies on "rolls" (basically a census of American Indians) from the turn of the century. Well, American soldiers rode into my great-great grandparents village, murdered them, and took my great grandfather and raised him white...or tried to. So, of course his birth certificate says that he is white too. Even though my mother as a child recalls my great grandfather not being allowed to enter a restraunt because they didn't serve "redskins".

I LOVE THIS COUNTRY!!!!

sorry...got a bit off topic there...then again perhaps that is the example you are looking for?? Mr. Collins may not exist in many of the ways that my Indian blood "doesn't exist". Some countries like to forget their history.

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...and Michael Collins from the IRB as the ruthlessly efficient organiser of the military resistance which opposed British attempts to smash Sinn Fein.

...It offered what Michael Collins called the 'freedom to achieve freedom'...

......In the course of the civil war, Michael Collins was killed in an ambush (22 August 1922).

later,
-junc

And funnily enough we get textbooks full of Australian history. Strange that. And in the scheme of things, American, Indian, Indonesian, Algerian etc. independence struggles sorta push Ireland into the shadows.

Well apart from general knowledge which comes mainly from the commie irish gene in the family, and the film which those genes bought....

Are you looking for international perspectives? Then I think you've already found apathy is the overwhelming one.

is he related to Tom Collins?

or how about:

(http://www.parliament.ge/~diana/collins.JPG)

Yeah, vaguely important and so vaguely covered that they do not give enough information to know about specific people that had an important role in many of those events. As juncmodule said most of this knowledge is self taught.

Hmmm, so not much then.

What about the war of independence? Is much known about that?

EDIT: THE IRISH war of independence, obviously

Uprising whilst the colonial power is at war, then guerillia warfare when they come back, like the Indochinese. Unless you want us to dealve into the homerule bills of the 1890's or the civil war, or the drear politics of partition.

So all in all you don't find it terribly exciting, no?

In comparison to most people here I'm evidently finding it thrilling. I know about it, and I know what I know because it's part of my heritage.

And it certainly has more thrills and spills than the history of Federation which we are compelled to learn here.

I was merely showboating to garner a reaction.

Did you know that the third astronaut (command module pilot) of Apollo 11 (besides Armstrong and Aldrin) was also called Michael Collins? Man, it must have sucked to fly all the way up to the moon and then circle around it while your pals get to walk around on the moon's surface!

why? He already liberated Ireland... let someone else have the spotlight

Especially when you've been dead for 50 years.

I thought Irish History was boring until I actually bothered to learn about it. It's actually full of really amazing people, and the thing was there was a lot of teamwork and friendship and sticking together, because that was the only way for a country with no army or fixed arms supply, or even a government, could win a war.

Michael Collins was the swashbuckling hero of the story of the Irish War of Independence. He was less of a romantic than the likes of Dev and Cathal and Boland, and way more pragmatic. And yet, in the end, his story turned out to be the most romantic of all. Shakespeare could not have outdone the story of Michael Collins. Even down to the love triangle between Harry and Michael (best friends) and Kitty, the eventual death of Harry and many other close friends of Michael, before his last letter to Kitty and his own violent death. Even his own words and those of other peoples foreshadowed the events to come, IE, Winston Churchill, "Michael Collins looked like a man that was signing his own death certificate". "The poor man is in a hurry to meet his death". Of course, then they went and screwed up the entire story with a hollywood movie, but I'm talking about the actual story as recorded in various newspapers, books, diaries, etc..

The story of Michael Collins is  one of friendship, trust, betrayal, love, hate, war and tragedy. It's a true story, and all the characters have their faults because they are real. It's well worth the research.

Even if it's just to uncover gems like this:





On Lloyd George asking why Michael Collins assassinated the 14 RIC men, sparking off Bloody Sunday, Michael replied,
“Well, I heard those fellows had a nasty shock in store for us, so I gave them a nasty shock first.”


On asking Winston Churchill why the huge bounty on his head, Winston replied:
“It was a good price, £5,000. Look at me, £25 dead or alive [by your troops]. How would you like that?”


I remember echoing Bills words, and then there was silence. Outside, I could hear the rattle of wheels on the cobbles, and I somehow couldn’t believe that such peace would bring such terror in such a short time. I looked up and whispered, “Are you telling the truth, Michael?”
Like a bolt, Mick stood upright and grinned. “No!” He said merrily. “But didn’t I tell you not to leave the bloody thing in the hallway?”




Anyway, what I really wanted to know was if anybody knew anything about him or the war of independence and the general idea I'm getting is... no. Not much. So anyhoo, thanks. Ciao.

So how much do you know about Louis Riel?

He was a canadian revolutionary some time in the 1800's, who executed a guy named... Thomas Ashe? Thomas Scott? And he was executed for treason for setting up an uprising... much like Collins... and then a rebellion. He fought for peoples rights but he also was violent in his methods or something like that... again, much like Collins.

I love revolutionary leaders.

All I wanted to know was the extent to which people knew about the Irish War of Independence and its heroes, for a school project. You think I randomly ask questions like.... uh oh, I think my socks are burning. Hang on.

I never even heard of michael collins

whoever he may be  ::)

then again, I'm not irish

How much do you fellahs know about Peter Lalor?


(Hey, he was an Irish lad as well, like Ned Kelly)

I've heard of Michael Collins. I never really had much of an interest in modern history. I did ancient history at school. You are better off going to a public library and finding a book on the subject. School Textbooks tend to leave out some details...

I know some irish,

the corrs :P