A topic so important it deserved one more post.... ATLANTIS found?

[shitar]

Click this stupidly long link

(link may not work but I found it on front of msn.com and I believe it is the true Atlantis as Plato made it)

[Privateer Puddin']

I've been reading a lot about this is the last few days, and today on television i just happened to see some images from the scanning they have been doing, and from them it certainly looks like something is down there ... excavation i say!

[Isegrim]

That's crap.
This area of ocean floor has previously been investigated and all the "walls" are nothing more than heaps of mud from so called "mud volcanoes".
Besides there's no way that this piece of ocean floor was dry during any time mankind existed (it's about 1000 meters under the sea level...)
If you understand german: http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/artikel/173/43130/ (one of the most serious german papers)

[Scummbuddy]

this article on cnn stated that many islands in that area were known to go down because of volcanic eruptions. (like monkey, dinky, and melee)
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/11/14/cyprus.atlantis.ap/index.html

[Andail]

As a matter of fact, mittens 03 was held on Atlantis.
I think it's safe to say it now, when you have all forgotten the exact location.

[Nacho]

As a matter of fact, mittens 03 was held on Atlantis.
I think it's safe to say it now, when you have all forgotten the exact location.

I remember something about... Vindön?

Seriously... Atlantis will be encountered each time something weird appears in the Mediterranean or in the Atlantic. There is only one evidence that "this" civilization existed, and it's an old book. I could enter in the discussion about if Plato was inspired in the Minoic culture, but entering in the discussion of "Indy's" Atlantis existed is, IMO, a waste of time.

[YOke]

This area of ocean floor has previously been investigated and all the "walls" are nothing more than heaps of mud from so called "mud volcanoes".
Besides there's no way that this piece of ocean floor was dry during any time mankind existed (it's about 1000 meters under the sea level...)

this article on cnn stated that many islands in that area were known to go down because of volcanic eruptions.

If Atlantis sank over 1000 meters down I doubt we would find two stones next to oneanother, let alone whole walls. I believe The story of Atlantis is a composite myth. Put together by pieces of facts to fit into the message the author wanted to deliver. Plato wanted to give a lesson in morale as well as to write the worlds first sci-fi novel. As we have learned from Star Trek, the sci-fi story is propably the best vehicle for teaching morals. Incidentally, electing insane christian f***ers president is one of the worst.
What was it DG called this? To turn one discussion into another? 

[GP]

Wooohooo Atlantis is right next to where I live!! Some other guy before said that Cyprus (the island I live on) was Atlantis itself. Just my two cents...

What was it DG called this? To turn one discussion into another?

*ahem* lemme take my shot

Most people believe Atlantis actually existed... Yet most people don't believe in the Bible stories. It makes me wonder really.... There is more proof Jesus infact existed than Platos... Yet most people doubt Jesus existed and take Platos as a real person . I think this is called "believing what you want to believe so you can suit your fancies"

[viktor]

Wooohooo Atlantis is right next to where I live!! Some other guy before said that Cyprus (the island I live on) was Atlantis itself. Just my two cents...

What was it DG called this? To turn one discussion into another?

*ahem* lemme take my shot

Most people believe Atlantis actually existed... Yet most people don't believe in the Bible stories. It makes me wonder really.... There is more proof Jesus infact existed than Platos... Yet most people doubt Jesus existed and take Platos as a real person . I think this is called "believing what you want to believe so you can suit your fancies"

that's actualy true. Proof exists that jesus was a real historical figure. Flavij and Tacij mention a strange person in theyr scripts that performed miracles. Jet they newer met him and don't know his name.  And the kumran scripts (or whatever they are caled) are prof to.

But becouse this is offtopic I'm just gona shut up..

[edmundito]

I found Atlantis already. The team was myself, Dr. Jones, and Ms. Hapgood! I travelled back in time and controlled Dr. Jone's mind and then he along with the Germans destroyed it forever.

[Chicky]

But surely you belong in a museum!

[wretch]

Wooohooo Atlantis is right next to where I live!! Some other guy before said that Cyprus (the island I live on) was Atlantis itself. Just my two cents...

What was it DG called this? To turn one discussion into another?

*ahem* lemme take my shot

Most people believe Atlantis actually existed... Yet most people don't believe in the Bible stories. It makes me wonder really.... There is more proof Jesus infact existed than Platos... Yet most people doubt Jesus existed and take Platos as a real person . I think this is called "believing what you want to believe so you can suit your fancies"

that's actualy true. Proof exists that jesus was a real historical figure. Flavij and Tacij mention a strange person in theyr scripts that performed miracles. Jet they newer met him and don't know his name.  And the kumran scripts (or whatever they are caled) are prof to.

But becouse this is offtopic I'm just gona shut up..

Any evidence that Jesus existed is nonsense. This is not a strike at any one religeon, but the bible, quran etc all come from writings by a priest called Ezra and Babylon (modern Irag), and are taken from much older texts. The compilers of the bible, in babylon, took peices from different stories the Sumareans spoke of. Jesus, Mohamed, Buda, you name it are all retales of the annunaki leader Enlils first born son.  Look up the wealth of information yourself, and you'll be surprized.

[Isegrim]

Let's put it this way: There are quite a lot of things that indicate the existence of a Jewish religious leader living and dying around 30A.D. (OK, the year is crap, English monks can't count) and maybe he was even called Jesus, because the muslims also speakl of a prophet (or saint or whatever) called Isa ben Yusuf.
Whether we believe that he was indeed the son of god, or just an ancient verison of Ron Hubbard is up to every one of us...
Nevertheless, most Bible texts are indeed retellings of old babylonian and sumerian texts which may themselves be retellings of even older stories.

Ceterum Censeo Atlantem esse delendam (or something like that... I don't believe it. Honestly)

[Nacho]

There are written evidences that the brother of that religious leader, called Santiago, complaining about a crazy man called Paul who was changing the history of his brother into something completelly different, including revivals after the third day, virginal births, direct descent with Yahve...

Most of the forensic evidences aim that Yusuf, Jeoshua, Emmanuel or whatever was called was a very ortodox and ultra nationalist jew. This evidences can be seen nowadays, if you read the speech of the mountain you'll see that he said "Skies will fall to the earth before I change a comma or an accent on the Jewish Law"... the fact that he was crossified is a clear evidence that he was commiting crimes against Rome (Paul changed all before preaching in Rome, of course...)

Anyway, there's no need to believe in a miracolous entity to take religion as a way of conduct and good behave, IMO.

[Redwall]

Back on topic, Atlantis HAS been found and you CAN see it for the SMALL price of $8,000,000!

http://www.ament.vi/atlantis/

[Snarky]

*ahem* lemme take my shot

Most people believe Atlantis actually existed...

Although most people are pretty stupid, I don't think you're right. I think most people believe Atlantis is a myth.

Yet most people don't believe in the Bible stories.

33% percent of the people of the world are Christian. A further 22% percent are Muslim, and a few million are Jewish. All of these religions believe in some or all of the "Bible stories". Together they make up about 55% percent of all people. Therefore, most people do believe in the "Bible stories".

It makes me wonder really.... There is more proof Jesus infact existed than Platos...

Where do you get that idea? Given that Plato, you know... wrote books, I don't see how there can be much doubt about his existence.

Yet most people doubt Jesus existed and take Platos as a real person .

First of all, not only Christians and Muslims, but also a large number of nonbelievers (including me) think that Jesus probably existed. That makes us comfortably the majority of people.

Secondly, there's a big difference between believing that Plato existed and believing in Atlantis, and between believing that Jesus was an historical figure and believing that he walked on water.

I think this is called "believing what you want to believe so you can suit your fancies"

Or alternatively "keeping two different things straight in your head".

[frisby@shrink]

Many cultures have dissapeared over time - the majority of them have not been recorded. It is possible that plato was talking about the destruction of an actual cultural society Ã, . . that he heard from someone else, as was platos want - historians are always doing crap like that.
If it's possible that a city can be destroyed to the point of obscurity through a natural disaster then it is entirely possible that atlantis existed.
Also - many people think that the story of noahs ark is a complete fabrication - but there is Ã, record of a great flood that was told long before the bible or it's subsiduaries were ever created. It's possible that alot of these stories are based on true events - but that have been changed and embelished over time. The ark bit is crap tho'.

[Rui 'Trovatore' Pires]

Let's put it like this - just because Thomas Moore wrote about a land called "Utopia", does that mean it exists? Same thing with Plato. The guy loved metaphors. I'm sure he didn't MEAN that we are all living in a cave, and we're all literally shadows of things outside the cave.

(Although, go too far here and since we have no further evidence of Socrates' existence, we'll also have to assume Plato made HIM up for his dialogs, I'll give you that)

[Snarky]

It's not true that we don't have any evidence of Socrates outside of Plato's dialogues. Aristophanes wrote his play 'The Clouds' as a satire of the philosopher when Socrates was in his mid-forties. Xenophon wrote about Socrates, as did Aristotle.

[Rui 'Trovatore' Pires]

Oh. Sorry about that, then. I learned there was no further evidence of his existence.