Absolutely Nothing To Do With Barack Obama Taking Over The World

[Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens]

Well, if you want to get into detail, both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are in the CFR, whose ultimate aim is a globalized (or one-world) government, its next step on that road being the NAU and the international highway from Mexico to Canada.  If you want to read up on it, the NAU plan's been on the books since '88 and most Americans have become too apathetic and disinterested in their own government to pay attention to these things until they're blindsided with things like the declining dollar, which is how they'll justify unifying currencies and the Amero.

[Ryan Timothy B]

Alright, alright I know you've already stated 'conspiracies=bad' but I couldn't help but post.

At work a few weeks ago an employee was telling me how he "believes" (yes, believes.  this is all his outlook on things) that with the downfall of the US dollar, he feels USA will somehow convince us Canadians to merge the USA and Canadian dollar.  Then once that is done and the new unified north american dollar becomes powerful, they'll try to merge mexico.  Then later south america.  AND the REST OF THE WORLD!!! Dun Dun Da!  Eventually with plans to unify all governments.

Now I have no idea about any of this.  I do not follow politics, and I honestly have no idea how powerful a merged Canadian and USA dollar would be, or what affects it may have.

He also mentioned as for the presidential election; he thinks Bush is going to declare a state of emergency/war so he can stay in the game for as long as it takes for him to fulfill this grand conspiracy.

As I said, this is all ideas from my fellow employee.  They might sound stupid, but they did get me to think about it.

EDIT: Wow. While I was typing, ProgZ pretty much just backed up my fellow employee's conspiracy?  Perhaps my coworker read it somewhere and just told me it was his feelings on the matter.

[evenwolf]

Merging the Canadian dollar is likely a strategy indeed.  The other things mentioned are a bit shady but I'm open for conspiracies with any sort of evidence backing them.    I just thought that choosing one guy of the lot and juxtaposing him with evil (instead of say G.W. or Hillary or McCain) is just well.... wtf.

Obama has been the one guy distancing himself from special interests (excluding sorts of memberships mentioned by ProgZ, who by the way needs a few more tid bits to back up his claims as their FAQ didn't include "world domination" or the like.  http://www.cfr.org/about/faqs.html   Worst tidbit on the FAQ is that some of their meetings' minutes are withheld from the public.)

But Obama is the one guy whose hands are fairly clean as far as his campaign goes.   The whole message has been overall positive, honest, and a grass roots effort.   I've kept my eyes on it since Feb. of last year.    Not once have I seen his eyes flare with fire or lick his lips with a forked tongue.

And another thing is this.    How do you start an argument about the anti christ and ask people not to talk about religion?     "Well I happen to be an atheist and think the anti christ myth is rubbish.   But yes Obama IS that mythological figure as told in many fables."


Its downright angering.  These claims are worse than the Jeremiah Wright bullshit, and have no evidence backing them.   All fact based conspiracies are welcome in my mind.

[Ultra Magnus]

evenwolf, you seem to be really missing the point of this thread.
It was not meant to be a debate about the US candidates.

The whole Obama spiel was just an introduction to the intended topic, which is "Global government: good or bad?"
Also, you're having a go at monkey for not "getting" satire, but you're also calling him up on every word he writes despite a lot of it being obviously satirical.


Meanwhile, back on topic...
Where the idea of a global senate is concerned, the UN is already half-way there.

As far as I see it, it's only two steps away from being there.
1 - Get everybody involved to agree to go with the concensus no matter what (as it is, they can choose to ignore it).
2 - Choose the members on merit rather than based on where they're from. If this means you get 5x as many Germans, 3x as many Indians and no Brits, then so be it.
These are admittedly rather large steps, and I personally can't see them happening any time soon.

As for whether it'd be a good or bad thing, it all depends on who's involved.
The mythical "they" do say that power corrupts, but I think that if given the power to do so then the majority would probably expel the bad apples before they get a chance to ruin the bushel. If not, then we're all screwed.

[evenwolf]

I understand the title of the thread as satire and Monkey's attempt to distance himself from the nutters.    But the way this convo was introduced is giving those nutters credibility and wrongly so.   Have you ever heard someone say something like "I'm not homophobic but don't you think gay people are...?"

Yeah yeah yeah great attempt to distance yourself from those assholes.    Not much of a disclaimer really.  You said what you wanted to say and no harm done.... even though harm is done in retelling such generalizations.

Talk about globalization all you want.  I found your comments on a global senate wonderful.  I'm out.

[Becky]

Yeah, and I bet a thousand years ago they thought they were so advanced when they discovered how to vaccinate against smallpox.

That was only in 1796, only 212 years ago.

Also, this thread is hilarious, as if a unified world government would ever exist, hahaha.

[miguel]

Well, the Soviets...sorry the Russians, have already reacted to Obama's World Domination plan.
It looks like Putin has shuffled the cards and handed them back the same way.
There is a big parade on the red square today, like the ones happening back when USSR was still on.
I believe it is a clear message, the World Powers need to be clarified.
I believe the USA democracy will suffer from it, a shame IMO, because it's still pretty much a "dream that can come true" to the eyes of the world.

[SSH]

The only way to achieve world government is if we discover alien life that we can be belligerent to. Nothing unites like a common enemy. A few thousand years later we'll discover that we wiped out a planet of pacifists, but hey...

[evenwolf]

SSH, I propose making a new thread combining both Aliens and Globalization.   That would be the mack daddy of "evenwolf plays devil's advocate" thread.

[Miez]

Meanwhile, back on topic...
Where the idea of a global senate is concerned, the UN is already half-way there.

Global senate?

[monkey0506]

evenwolf, I hope that the new title pleases your senses. 8) (I hope you don't actually take more offense at the new title. If you do I apologize ahead of time, I'm not trying to infuriate you here. And again, sorry if my own stupidity has angered you.)

Star Wars is definitely a good example of the fear of a globalized government. Certainly a single unified government would not automatically imply Bush or Obama or Clinton or McCain or even Gore or Bill Gates going around zapping everyone with magic lighting out of their fingers. But the fear of placing too much power in the hands of the few is a rational one.

The problem is in fact that once the power has been assigned it could be very hard to overthrow or regain control in the event of corruption within. One example of the difficulties that instantly leaps to my mind is the issue of "gun control". I'm all for keeping firearms out of the hands of deranged maniacs (such as myself), but imagine with me if you will a world where all weaponry is removed from the hand of the citizen. The government has total control.

The fear of death is a very real and very rational fear to be sure, and in this world, the citizens would be left defenseless. What use is a man's fist against a shot fired from a thousand miles away?

I'm not trying to turn this into a discussion of the gun control issue, but it is one of the first things that comes to my mind in the hypothetical situation. Again "global government" != "eeeeeevvvvviiiiillll government" by default, but in the event of globalization of the government, it is a realistic possibility.

[Emerald]

Yeah, and I bet a thousand years ago they thought they were so advanced when they discovered how to vaccinate against smallpox.

That was only in 1796, only 212 years ago.

Also, this thread is hilarious, as if a unified world government would ever exist, hahaha.

I hyperbolise. Deal with it 


Anyway, a 'unified government' doesn't necessarily have any implications beyond the fact that a different face is on your money.

No group of people has the knowledge, resources or time to govern an entire planet. It's very simple -- the more you control, the more you have to keep track of. Either the global government would collapse under its own weight, or it would just be a meaningless umbrella which leaves all the countries pretty much to their own devices. Like the UN...

[Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens]

Well there are other implications of one select group of people telling everyone what to do, particularly with the constant lobbying in congress (it's been defeated once but will be coming back for another vote in the next year or so) for identity chips.  Once all of your information is recorded on a chip, it's not a massive leap for a government of select individuals to, in effect, shut you off if you speak out too much against them.  Of course there are a lot of reports out there that cannot be substantiated at this time, but it comes down to who you believe.  Me, I choose to believe a former CFR hopeful who became disillusioned over public records about the CFR, just as I would be more interested in hearing a former Scientologist's information than I would what they're willing to publicly release.

[evenwolf]

Monkey:   

I apologize as I was playing a bit of devil's advocate with you.    The funny thing is that I have antagonized my friend Zach before AS Bill O'Reilly and it had nothing to do with Colbert.   I had just watched too much O'Reilly and decided to "channel his spirit" for a few minutes.    My friend actually got very very upset ... visibly... to the point I thought he was going to hit me.   So I stopped and collected myself.   He got the joke afterwards but I always regretted adopting the Bill O'Reilly persona for that 5 minutes or so.


Believe it or not I've actually met Alex Jones.   I think he lived near me in Austin.  Once he and his family sat at the booth across from mine at a breakfast joint.   ( Alex Jones is one of the foremost "9/11 was an inside job" howlers. Charlie Sheen and Joe Rogan and I forget who else have since joined his cause.  )    In fact I watched his community access program quite a bit before 9/11 ever happened.    The Bohemian Grove program, his refusal to be thumb scanned,....  Ive seen quite a lot of his stuff.   He definitely believes in the NWO.

[miguel]

Following Emerald writings (I agree totally) some posts above:
     some things to take in consideration:
                                                              a) the more tight is the law, the bigger the crooks are
                                                              b) economic domination leads to huge black markets (or parallel markets)
                                                              c) humans are corrupt by nature
       a) take the drug example, countries spend billions of money fighting it but drug production and profits sustain several parts of the world;
       b) unless the internet is totally controlled, everything can be bought for the right price;
       c) at least until they taste some of the devil's candies;

[Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens]

evenwolf-

I'm not saying I buy into 'conspiracies', because even the word somehow makes what you believe in seem like a fantasy concocted by an addled/paranoid mind rather than something that could somehow be legitimate.  Also, there are a lot of things I have difficulty believing because of conflicting evidence:  for instance, I do not believe 9/11 was an inside job.  I do, however, believe (as Ron Paul has said) that the government did have knowledge that it was coming and did not take adequate measures against it and have since actively used the horrible event to fuel certain self-interests.  I've watched some of Alex Jones' stuff and it's compelling, I agree, but it also has too much of an emotion-based propaganda vibe to it to try and lull you into believing it without sufficient information.  I fully agree with him that the National ID is bullshit, though, and will continue to vote and support legislation against it as well as to refuse getting one.

[evenwolf]

I'm with you.   Guys like Alex Jones are good to have around, even if he and his followers go to the extreme EXTREME.

There are certain issues he picks up on that nobody ever would (except maybe the Guardian) because of all the corporate interests.   Thumb scanning, forewarnings of 9/11, even the Bohemian Grove "fraternity" stuff is all good information he has relayed to me.


But witnessing Bohemian Grove ceremonies, for instance, and concocting that they must be sacrificing human babies ...is well... just horse shit.   We all know there are secret societies in this world.   Skull and Bones,  Freemasons, Illuminati, Bohemian Grove.   I myself was in one called the Order of the Arrow.    We had ceremonies in the woods and secret hand shakes.    Pretty harmless Boy Scout stuff.

But yeah.  Alex Jones finds some good facts (which more people should) and then expands on them with his own desires of a history of evil in this nation.     To get too far into the Alex Jones mindset is to get depressed and to feel like cattle.    Unless you go around with a megaphone like he does.   And then you're a nutter.   Like I said I watched ALOT of Alex Jones on local television, because it was so fascinating.

[Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens]

I wasn't aware of this Bohemian Grove nonsense but will do some research.  Thanks for the heads-up!

As for secret societies, some of them (like Freemasons) sprang from a desire to avoid persecution for practicing things as 'controversial' as medical science because the Catholic Church considered it heresy.  Sometimes we attribute these larger than life (or darkly sinister, depending on which side of the fence you're on) natures to these organizations.  I mean hell, nearly all the founding fathers were Freemasons and they wrote one of the most beautiful documents in world history!

[Ultra Magnus]

I mean hell, nearly all the founding fathers were Freemasons and they wrote one of the most beautiful documents in world history!

Watership Down?