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Title: American Idol ...
Post by: Darth Mandarb on Thu 26/05/2005 22:27:48
Congratulations to Carrie Underwood!!

Bet you didn't see this coming ...

Okay, confession time.  I am absolutely hooked on American Idol.

I started watching it because it was on before 24 and there was nothing else on ... the rest is history.

I love this show.  This year was the best yet.  The top 8 this season were better than the top 2 of all previous seasons (to my opinion).

I was actually really torn with who to vote for this season.  Bo was a favorite of mine from the beginning just because it was nice to see a true rocker makin' it through.  (Constantine was a favorite too, but second to Bo).

In the end my vote went to Carrie ... just because I truely don't think Bo needed Idol.  I mean, for God's sake, Clive Davis told Bo, "Win or lose this show, you and I are going to have a good time making a record!"  What more do you need?

Carrie, who is breath-takingly gorgeous, got up there every week and sang her ass off.  I think she earned it more.  Being on stage just comes naturally to Bo and, while I think he belonged in the top 2, I think Carrie deseverved it more just because of her improvement.

Hi-lights of the season:

- Bo's acoustic version of "within a dream" - blew me away
- Vonzell's smile - 1 of the best I've EVER seen
- Carrie's duet w/ the Rascall Flatts "God Blessed the Broken Road"
- Simon telling Bo that it was a pleasure having him on the show (from Simon that's huge!)
- Randy telling Carrie she was in the 'dawg' pound
- Paula's tears when Constantine was sent home

Anybody else who watched and was addicted as I was?

The reason I started this thread is because it's been my experience that a LOT of people actually really hate American Idol and I'm actually very surprised at the fact that I love this show.  I'm wondering if it's had a similar effect on others.

Sara (my girlfriend for those that don't know) hated the show before this season.  She started watching it 'cause I watched it and soon was an addict as well.
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Ghormak on Thu 26/05/2005 22:39:30
I dislike the whole concept of the show. Just listen to the name. American Idol. The contest is about becoming famous, not about finding the best American musician.

Oh well.

Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Pesty on Thu 26/05/2005 22:41:50
Okay, my secret's out. I'm a fan too. I watched last season some, but it was this season that I really enjoyed, because almost everyone in the final 12 was really talented. Last season, I kept saying "Ugh, how did they make it this far" to most of the people, but this time around, I didn't know WHO I wanted to win until close to the end. However, I could tell Carrie and Bo would make it to the final two from the moment I heard them both, because they're both very professional already.

I agree that Bo doesn't need Idol and of all of the people to ever be on American Idol, Bo is the only one I'd actually buy a record of. His version of Within a Dream cemented that fact for me. But Carrie definately deserved to win, even though if I were to vote, I'd vote for Bo. A very entertaining season, I can't wait for Bo's cd to come out.
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Pumaman on Thu 26/05/2005 22:42:52
Ever since Michelle McManus won Pop Idol, I've completely given up on these type of shows.
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Potch on Fri 27/05/2005 00:27:13
Another addict here.  Since Season 1... I even auditioned for this year.  Didn't make it... but well, that's another story.

My vote went to Bo ALL the way.  Never liked Carried.  Her stage presence left a lot to be desired.  I found her to be cold and disconnected with her songs.  While she has a fantastic voice, I just don't think she could hold her own tour.  When a person chooses a song and doesn't even know what it's about (MacArthur Park)... there's a problem.  Anywho, Bo will do fine anyway.  And besides, now he can do the kind of music he wants, instead of the crappy Idol songs that Carrie has to put out.

I personally thought Nadia and Bo would be the top two.  I thought they were the best performers.  But, I also thought Latoya would win last year, and that Clay woudl win the year before... guess I called it wrong again!  Oh well.

i too LOVED it when Simon told Bo it was a pleasure.

Thought Within a Dream was the best Idol performance to date.

HATED Constantine.  The guy creeped me out.

HATED Mikala even more.  When the put her on the red carpet, I thought I was going to puke.

Thought Scott was pretty good... good voice needs to work on stage presence.

LOVED Vonzell and Nadia.


Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Mr Jake on Fri 27/05/2005 00:29:22
And to think, I used to respect all of you  :-X
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Blackthorne on Fri 27/05/2005 01:17:00
$$$$$$ not ♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪


Makes me sad, is all.

Bt
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Kinoko on Fri 27/05/2005 01:45:42
Pff, well I LOVE it. I hate reality tv usually but these shows are great. I've only seen the recent 2 seasons of American Idol (last years winner gives me nightmares) and we're currently starting the third season of Australian Idol (seen 'em all, but getting less interested...).

Bo!!! I adore him. I've been following him the whole way and man, noone deserves to win like he does. NO-ONE! Carrie's okay, she's certainly talented, but I'd never buy her record, and I'd never care about her. Bo, I'm buying his album no matter what it is. If I were voting, I'd vote for him 10 times over. Just because he'll have a career anyway, doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to win. Don't give Carrie the sympathy vote. The winner should be the one that we all know is the best!

Incidentally, I HATED Constantine (no talent arrogant try hard) and I absolutely, with the power of darkness, hated Mikaila (or however it's spelt). She... I can't go on. So much hate. So much happiness that she went so quickly.

But Bo. Oh, Bo. He sends shivers down my spine. He validates any guilt you may have about watching the show. A true talent.

EDIT: Okay, I just read your first line, Darth. BUGGER! Oh well, as you say, Bo will have a career regardless.
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: TheDude on Fri 27/05/2005 02:17:38
I've been watching this too. I really wanted Bo Bice to win, but oh well.

I'm watching Celebrity Love Island. Isabella Hervey is toooo hot, rawr!
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Pesty on Fri 27/05/2005 02:22:18
Quote from: Kinoko on Fri 27/05/2005 01:45:42
But Bo. Oh, Bo. He sends shivers down my spine. He validates any guilt you may have about watching the show. A true talent.

Agreed. Sure, American Idol is mostly about the money, but when it helps make someone as talented as Bo famous, I'm all for it.
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Pelican on Fri 27/05/2005 02:31:19
Urgh! I hate reality t.v. shows. But I'll probably end up watching them, 'cos everybody talks about it, and I hate not knowing what they're on about! Besides, sometimes I like to watch programs just so's I can bitch about how crap they are. :P
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Darth Mandarb on Fri 27/05/2005 03:47:07
Quote from: Kinoko on Fri 27/05/2005 01:45:42Pff, well I LOVE it. I hate reality tv usually but these shows are great. I've only seen the recent 2 seasons of American Idol (last years winner gives me nightmares) and we're currently starting the third season of Australian Idol (seen 'em all, but getting less interested...).

I thought Fantasia and Diana were pretty evenly matched, vocally.

Fantasia was about as intelligent as a brick, and that pissed me off.  Couldn't stand her personality ... she seemed really ghetto trash.  The chick could sing though.

Diana didn't come off as much smarter, but her personality was must brighter (to me).  She seemed like a good person.  Which, to my way of thinking, should be a major part of an "idol".

Fantasia lost ALL my respect when she sang the words wrong to "Believe".  She sang, "Ever catched a shooting star ..."  If you're a 20+ something english speaking native and you use the word "catched" you need to go back to kindergarten ... rediculous!  Dolt.

Don't even get me started on season 2 ...

Ruben had personality but Clay Aiken straight up outsang him EVERY time ... what a waste that was.  I think it was rigged, seriously.  Look who's had a multi-platinum album, a Christmas album, was on mTV several times, talk-shows, and the new years eve parties and is still talked about regularly ... Clay.

Ruben was in Scooby Doo 2 ...
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Kinoko on Fri 27/05/2005 06:02:33
I was unhappy about season 3 all over the place. Fantasia just really got my goat. She was the dumbest b*tch I'd seen in a long time, and I thought she sung like a cat having it's head ripped off. I can't remember Diana but I never thought either of the final 2 deserved to be there. I can't exactly remember her name, but the winner without a doubt for me should have been... Latoya? I would have liked to see er (damn, can't remember names) the other older black guy. Both were brilliant singers and had a real command over the stage.

I felt sorry for my boyfriend who had to put up with my swearing and bitching everytime Fantasia was on stage. Boy, I hated her. you're exactly right about her way of speaking too... I mean, it's bad enough to speak like that in real life, but those were SONG lyrics! You only have to memorise them!

Over the whole "Idol" experience, I think Fantasia reigns supreme over my hate, followed by Mikala. Awful, awful girls, both of them.
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Haddas on Fri 27/05/2005 08:21:35
I searched around and found this.

http://www.votefortheworst.com/

I haven't watched the show personally, but this seems like a conspiracy theory to me. I wouldn't be surprised if it were true either, It's not like it'd be the first time THAT happened.

/me reads on on the scandals page
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Sylpher on Fri 27/05/2005 15:13:15
My only beef with the show, besides the obvious, is that no really good music has come out of it. All the people who go on after the show put out mediocre albums that are trying so hard to sell they crumble under there own weight. Paula Abdol [sp?] is kind of a drag too.
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Anarcho on Fri 27/05/2005 15:19:48
Damn it all, I guess I'm a fan too.  At least my girlfriend and I watched it a pretty often this season.  I think the attraction lies in how awful the songs are and how bad these peformers can be.  Sorry, but I can't stand Carrie or these songs they have them sing (that new "single" she sang?  Come on, that wouldn't have even been a hit in the 90s).

Bo does have an amazing voice, and I was a big fan of Nadia (and Scott, just because he was arrested for domestic violence, what an american idol!!!) but most of these other singers were just annoying.

Still, I did like to watch.  Simon is always good for a laugh, and I enjoyed watching Randy try soooooo hard to be a living breathing stereotype.

It's good for Bo that he got second, that means he's not legally owned by American Idol for the rest of time as per the contract, but is still famous enough to make records.
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Darth Mandarb on Fri 27/05/2005 15:59:55
Quote from: Kinoko on Fri 27/05/2005 06:02:33I was unhappy about season 3 all over the place. Fantasia just really got my goat. She was the dumbest b*tch I'd seen in a long time, and I thought she sung like a cat having it's head ripped off. I can't remember Diana but I never thought either of the final 2 deserved to be there. I can't exactly remember her name, but the winner without a doubt for me should have been... Latoya? I would have liked to see er (damn, can't remember names) the other older black guy. Both were brilliant singers and had a real command over the stage.

Latoya London and George Huff ... both were better than Fantasia.  I totally agree.  I was shocked when Latoya was cut.

Quote from: Sylpher on Fri 27/05/2005 15:13:15My only beef with the show, besides the obvious, is that no really good music has come out of it. All the people who go on after the show put out mediocre albums that are trying so hard to sell they crumble under there own weight.

Kelly Clarkson has a few songs that I really like.  I think she's finally breaking out of the American Idol image and becoming her own.  As for the rest ... bah ... I liked Clay Aiken a lot but the fact is he really only had 1 song that I really liked and that was a remake (On the Wings of Love by Jeffery Osborne).  His performance of "Bridge Over Troubled Water" was quite impressive though.

I think Bo is going to be the first Idol to have wide-spread success after the show.  Just a hunch.
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: shbaz on Fri 27/05/2005 16:25:46
Apparently the girl who won only lives 60 or so miles away from me (which is close in the plains of America) so people all over Oklahoma are ecstatic over the publicity being brought to this otherwise boring unknown state, without even needing another terrorist action!

I don't watch TV, and on the rare occasions when I break that rule I definately don't watch reality shows. I feel like they're a monumental waste of time. There's about 5 minutes of beef in any show and the rest is filled with slurry to keep you watching.

Besides, I like rock 'n roll..
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Anarcho on Fri 27/05/2005 16:31:02
What I don't get is how they're going to market Bo.  I mean, what is he going to sing, being a "rocker" and all? 

I guess what it comes down to is I don't understand how he is a "rocker", or what exactly a "rocker" is and how this has entered our collective lexicon.  Does having long hair and flared jeans make you a "rocker"? 

After singing dozens of corny Mariah Carey-esc love balads on live tv, I don't see him having enough legitimacy to be anything other than some made-for-tv corndog.  Maybe I'm not giving him enough credit, hopefully he's got enough brains to stay away from idiot producers who want to force feed him stupid pop material.
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Potch on Fri 27/05/2005 16:56:55
Anarcho, Bo actually has had his own rock band, Sugar Money,  for quite a long time.  Most likely, his album will be a rock album, with his own material.   That's who is is, and that's how they will market him.  He's a song writer and a musician.  He plays the guitar.  As for what makes him a rocker, well I don't really know, but probably because the majority of the songs he did on the show were rock songs.  The only Mariah-esque ballads that he did were at the very end... the ones he was forced to do by the show.
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Anarcho on Fri 27/05/2005 17:03:24
Well that's good then.  I'm glad that he writes songs and has his own material.  That's something you don't see very often in pop music.  I wonder if it's any good.
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Darth Mandarb on Fri 27/05/2005 17:22:40
Bo is a rocker 'cause of his style.

If he wore baggy pants and had chains and lots of piercing and tatoos he'd be a punk.

If he had pants hanging down to his knees with his ass hanging out with gold teeth and hat on sideways he'd be a rapper/hiphopper.

Rock is the last vestige of hope for the music in America.  Bo is a shining light in the dark!!!

Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Pesty on Fri 27/05/2005 19:47:43
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Fri 27/05/2005 17:22:40
Bo is a rocker 'cause of his style.

If he wore baggy pants and had chains and lots of piercing and tatoos he'd be a punk.

If he had pants hanging down to his knees with his ass hanging out with gold teeth and hat on sideways he'd be a rapper/hiphopper.

Rock is the last vestige of hope for the music in America.Ã,  Bo is a shining light in the dark!!!



I don't necessarily agree with that. Bo is a rocker because he makes rock music. Sure, his look goes along with how most rockers look, but that's not what makes him a "rocker", it's his music. Same with those other examples. Someone who raps is a rapper, someone who makes punk music is a punk. It's not the way they look, it's the music they make, or the music they enjoy.
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Darth Mandarb on Fri 27/05/2005 20:05:54
I was attempting to be funny :)

Just because most of the music that is popular (in America at least) is just cookie cutter crap.  And Rap is probably the most popular 'sound' in America and it's just worthless drivel.  I call it 'sound' because, in my opinion, it's not music.

Bo is most definitely a rocker 'cause his music is rock :)
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Potch on Fri 27/05/2005 20:21:32
I used to think the same way about way about rap, and while a good majority of it is mindless drivel... there really are some great lyrics out there.  Eminem writes some pretty amazing stuff. 
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Anarcho on Fri 27/05/2005 20:30:11
Sorta along the same vein, I was thinking the other day how much pop music sucks, like Britney Spears or whatever it is the kids listen to, but then I thought about how much that must sound like the sterotypical old person response.  You know, like how old people in the thirties were like, "Jazz isn't music, it's noise."  Or like how old people in the fifties where like, "Rock n Roll isn't music, it's noise".  Or like how old people in nineties where like, "Rap isn't music, it's noise".  Of course, a lot those sentiments seem ridiculous to us now.

The question is, is my repulsion to music on the top 40 a result of my being old (at a ripe 24 yrs of age) or is it really just crappy music.  You can try and stay true to some kind of relativism, but I'm not sure that Britney will be accepted by future generations as say a Miles Davis is...

Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Pesty on Fri 27/05/2005 22:40:25
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Fri 27/05/2005 20:05:54
I was attempting to be funny :)

Just because most of the music that is popular (in America at least) is just cookie cutter crap.Ã,  And Rap is probably the most popular 'sound' in America and it's just worthless drivel.Ã,  I call it 'sound' because, in my opinion, it's not music.

Bo is most definitely a rocker 'cause his music is rock :)

It's so hard to tell anymore if people are serious about things like that. Isn't that sad?
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Babar on Fri 27/05/2005 22:52:00
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Fri 27/05/2005 20:05:54
And Rap is probably the most popular 'sound' in America and it's just worthless drivel. I call it 'sound' because, in my opinion, it's not music.

Awwww...your saying that because too many people like it, it is not worth anything.
There are undoubtedly great rap songs. No one can dispute that. There are also undoubtedly very crappy rap songs. No one can dispute that either. But it is the same with every genre of music. Just because you probably have heard more crappy rap (heheh..that almost rhymes) than good rap is no reason to condemn the whole genre.
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Darth Mandarb on Fri 27/05/2005 23:11:02
Quote from: Babar on Fri 27/05/2005 22:52:00Awwww...your saying that because too many people like it, it is not worth anything.
There are undoubtedly great rap songs. No one can dispute that. There are also undoubtedly very crappy rap songs. No one can dispute that either. But it is the same with every genre of music. Just because you probably have heard more crappy rap (heheh..that almost rhymes) than good rap is no reason to condemn the whole genre.

I'm saying it's drivel because the rap and hiphop that is popular these days is shit.  It's just simply crap.  Now a lot disagree with me, obviously given its popularity, but that's still my opinion.  Rap started out great ... now it doesn't make mainstream unless it's gansta rap thug crap.

I just don't see anything good coming from it.

It's not me getting older and it's not a thing against black people.  It's just me against a crap form of 'sound'.
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Sylpher on Sat 28/05/2005 00:06:18
Rap has become as diverse and hard to sort through as punk and hardcore in the early 80's. There is a lot of good rap out there, but it requires quite a deal of digging to get to the gold.
Title: Re: American Idol ...
Post by: Blackthorne on Sat 28/05/2005 05:35:25
Jimi Hendrix rocked.

Robert Plant rocked.

Bo poses.

But, he poses well.



Bt