Another Death Penalty Case

[RickJ]

I enjoyed the last discussion about the death penalty immensly and thought I would give everyone another opportunity to opine about this new case I read about on the ABC News Website.  Click on the link to read the full story.  Here are my favorite parts:


ABUL, Afghanistan, March 22, 2006 â€" Despite the overthrow of the fundamentalist Taliban government and the presence of 22,500 U.S. troops in Afghanistan, a man who converted to Christianity is being prosecuted in Kabul, and a judge said Sunday that if convicted, he faces the death penalty.
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Relatives denounced him as a convert during a custody battle over his children, and he was arrested last month. The prosecutor says Rahman was found with a Bible.
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Presiding judge Ansarullah Mawlazezadah tells ABC News a medical team was checking the defendant, since the team suspects insanity caused Rahman to reject Islam.
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The post-Taliban constitution recognizes Islam as Afghanistan's religion, and decrees that Islam's Sharia law applies when a case is not covered by specific legislation. The prosecutor says under Sharia law, Abdul Rahman must die.
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The judge, however, holds hopes for a solution.  "We will ask him if he has changed his mind about being a Christian," Mawlazezadah says. "If he has, we will forgive him, because Islam is a religion of tolerance."
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[lo_res_man]

The judge, however, holds hopes for a solution.Ã,  "We will ask him if he has changed his mind about being a Christian," Mawlazezadah says. "If he has, we will forgive him, because Islam is a religion of tolerance."

"religion of tolerance".. eh? What kind of religion executes people for their beliefs and has the GALL to call itself TOLERANT?! ( I realise Christianity has done the same thing in the past, and  I would like to apologise for the actions of long dead members of my religion)

[Dr. Scary]

"religion of tolerance".. eh? What kind of religion executes people for their beliefs and has the GALL to call itself TOLERANT?!

I suggest you in the future replace "religion" with "people".

[RickJ]

I suggest you in the future replace "religion" with "people".

Why?  It's a direct quotation of what judge Ansarullah Mawlazezadah has said.  Are you suggesting that people ignore the man's actual comments and pretend that he has said something more to you're liking?

[Mr Jake]

I think he means in lo_res_man's comments. And I agree with him.

[Mordalles]

Presiding judge Ansarullah Mawlazezadah tells ABC News a medical team was checking the defendant, since the team suspects insanity caused Rahman to reject Islam.

haha.

this brings up a pressing question. would you die for your beliefs? i guess no one knows until they are faced with death and a choice.

[Traveler]

I think he means in lo_res_man's comments. And I agree with him.

Well, they plan to execute him in the name of the religion (and for converting to a different religion), so I don't see anything wrong with lo-res-man's comment. It's not like the religion would exist without those believing in it, so even though it's not the idealized religion that will actually execute him, but those people who describe themselves and their religion as tolerant, in this case I don't see a lot of difference.

BTW, I think it's appalling. I have no problem with the death penalty, as long as it is used to sentence real crime that cause a lot of harm and suffering (like murder, etc.) I don't see how converting from one religion to any other would harm anyone, so such a "law" is stupid and evil. To call this "tolerant" is abhorrent and outrageous.

[Kweepa]

this brings up a pressing question. would you die for your beliefs? i guess no one knows until they are faced with death and a choice.

Ummm, I can answer that one: NO.
Put in this person's position, I would simply lie.

Looks like the US has another fundamentalist government to overthrow.

[MrColossal]

Finally, I've grown totally bored of Iraq!

[HillBilly]

He should've thought twice before rejecting the religion of peace because if you do they'll fucking kill you.

But what else can you expect from a religion which main goal is taking on the world? A convertion from Islam to any religion at all would be the biggest insult of them all. After drawing their prophet, I guess.

EDIT: The excecution is off now. I kinda expected this would happen, seeing which nation is "freeing" the other.

[Nikolas]

You know once I read the article I thought to myself :'My God, I can't believe that there are people/nations that think/act this way!'. I mean I'm a westerner and so it is almost imposible for me to believe such news. Not that they're not true, but simply because I can't believe that anyone would think this way. Then I thought to myself: ' Okay, but this is the middle east and generally they do have a tendency to think different than me...' So I said, okay maybe... Still awfull but maybe.

And then I though, is ABC News, giving me the full image? Am I getting the correct story as it is? Can I trust an American (is it American) network to give me the right story about Afganistan. I know for example that CNN was full of shit when Yugoslavia was being bombed (I won't go into that now, just say that the kind of new CNN was showing, was completly different than the news Greek TV channels were showing...).

Dunno, just an extra thought.

[Radiant]

Nikolas makes a good point. The fact that this story was not mentioned in any Dutch newspaper or newssite makes me believe the American news channels are once again being used as a propaganda machine, and appear to be either wildly exaggerating, or downright lying.

For more background information on what seems to be going on, see http://americantheocracy.net.

[lo_res_man]

well if it is true, I  still think it was EXTREMELY wrong. as to people objecting to my use of the word religion, well I am sorry but religions are made up of people, interpreting there doctrine as the leaders see fit. As Traveler said, it was done in the name of the religion by  prominent members of this religious community. If  I offended anyone, sorry.
I wouldn't think for a second that all Muslims agree with to this PRVERSE action.

[SinSin]

(Opinion):  Please Note EVERYONE HAS ONE :

I also feel that the stuff going on over there is very boring and is now drying up (Desert  hahaha I crack myself up)

    Anyway

Why should anyone in this world and of this day and age feel that it is right to kill another man/woman just because he/she  does not feel the same way as his/her     family/Class or Country

Example

Imagine this everyone you know buys a an X box 360 on the day that it is released but one of your friends does not like the shape or feel of that console and decides to trade theres a nintendo Revolution on the realease day
Would you expect everyone to kill him/her !?!
       
What is being put into the water over there ?
Why are they SOOOOOOOOOO Narrow minded
And i'd make a bet with everyone here that if
AND its a Big  IF

If tommorrow A person just like Osama big shitface
Made a shock discovery that the whole muslim Faith was a lie
(just like the deVinci Code tried Christianity). and this person had obtained an encyclopedia of evidence and a large backup of rich oil seeking People to lend a hand  i bet that all the iraqi people would convert.
and that is because the people of that country are a bunch of misguided SHEEP Who definatly have a crazy guy with a mashete as a shepard

Coz that is what i believe is the way of all Faiths
Stand in line
Or be shot
Be good or go to hell

What i say to everyone with any religious matters is 

     "OY you are you happy with your religion no"

     "Well dont bother looking for another one There all the same"

Oh by the way would anyone care to join my new religion i set up its called the

I'm crazy im gonna make up a load of crazy stories make you believe me and then chop your gonads of if you disagree Motion
fuck it i reckon to end all this shit over there they should send in the nuclear sacred Cow or Bull

Sin

EF em all

[SinSin]

Nikolas makes a good point. The fact that this story was not mentioned in any Dutch newspaper or newssite makes me believe the American news channels are once again being used as a propaganda machine, and appear to be either wildly exaggerating, or downright lying.

For more background information on what seems to be going on, see http://americantheocracy.net.

i cannot remeber it being in any english one either

[lo_res_man]

well if it is not true, thank God, ( or Gods, or Bob, or whoever you deity of choice is, or lack there of.)  as well, your bad, American press.  Propaganda is an evil thing if you ask THIS monkey. People deserve to be presented with FACTS.
(bad pun of the day,Q: what is propaganda? A: A real male goose )

[Radiant]

well if it is not true, thank God, ( or Gods, or Bob, or whoever you deity of choice is,

The FSM, of course.

[lo_res_man]

well if it is not true, thank God, ( or Gods, or Bob, or whoever you deity of choice is,

The FSM, of course.

[Kweepa]

Google FSM - it should be pretty obvious.
For google images it's the first link.

[lo_res_man]

thanx All hail the great Spagetti monster! bow down or we shoot you, we are a religion of tolerance!