So my question's simple any metal fans here? Exclude Hardcore, Emocore, Grindcore and nu-metal from this topic please...
Metal rules! (http://themercyband.com/forum/Smileys/default/Headbanger.gif)
I don't like all metal, but metal is all I listen to. I find it very melodic and I don't just listen to it because it's heavy.
My favourite bands include:
Tourniquet www.tourniquet.net
Nightwish www.nightwish.com
Iced Earth www.icedearth.com
Desolation www.desolation-online.de
Theocracy www.theocracymusic.com
Morphia www.morphia.nl
Kamelot www.kamelot.com
Plus more that I can't remember right now
Metal? Yes, goddamn, sir.
Listing my favourite bands would be too hard, so I'll just say I like of just about everything from powermetal to trash, excluding nu-metal....
I heard. I listened. Something around a year ago. Black/Thrash/Viking Metal. Scandinavian (those all well-known Burzums, Mayhems, Gorgoroths, Enslaveds and Darkthrones) Canadian (Blasphemy, Conqueror, Revenge), Australian (e.g. Sadistik Exekution) and of course Polish shitty Black/Death/Pagan such as Graveland, Infernum, Kriegsmaschine, Anima Damnata, Throneum and so on. I still like some of them, for example I still listen to Bathory -- the best of all of this stuff.
Now I listen to everything in principle. Just turn on the radio (sometimes Polish, sometimes Swedish) and absorb every sound I heard. Nice. The last thing I looked at really close, was an American rock band called TOOL.
Yeah, yeah, sure thing. If you would have asked me two year ago, I wouldn't have hesitated to say it's my favourite genre and that everything else is shit, but I've widened my musical span since then quite a bit... Now I just listen to anything, as long as it's good. :)
I'm always fond of really slow and heavy doom metal and stoner, though, and old-school thrash/death is never wrong either.
Not too keen on power metal, with the exception of Blind Guardian, who at least on their early records were really, really good, and you got more grunting that fasletto, which is a nice change from the other bands in the genre... Hehe.
I feel a bit similar towards most Black Metal bands as well - There are some exceptions, but most bands just drown in their own "über-necro-grim-kvlt-tr00"-image instead of doing good music, which is a pity...
Still, nowadays I can go from Entombed, Bloodbath and Meshuggah to Godspeed you black Emperor!, Depeche Mode, Ultravox and Bohren & Der Club of Gore(Incredible instrumental horror/doom-jazz - A must-listen, really!) in a matter of minutes, so as I said, I listen to anything that is good... :)
And my all-time favourite band is still Black Sabbath. :)
Well. Yes
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Actually I do listen to metal. It's not my main choice of music, but I do enjoy it. I know nothing of genres, but I recognize metal.
I like metal as well.
Quote from: Rincewind on Wed 13/07/2005 22:09:56
Yeah, yeah, sure thing. If you would have asked me two year ago, I wouldn't have hesitated to say it's my favourite genre and that everything else is shit, but I've widened my musical span since then quite a bit... Now I just listen to anything, as long as it's good. :)
Heh, heh... exactly, it was funny. Hmm... speaking of metal we're speaking of subculture. So what about it? Are you still playing with this funny things?Ã, Heh, heh... Know what I mean? Sometimes I still wear my beloved leather, combat trousers and heavy boots, but it's not the same feeling as in the past. Actually I don't deplore my hairs, I'm glad I've cut them -- shaved head is not so bad.
And metal (subculture and partially music) just sucks. :)
I like metal and love the metal scene (mostly the ladies ;)). I'm not a big fan of screamo though. I like the NIN style, where it's more "calm" but you can still rock out. The best metal, IMO, are bands like SOAD and Manson. They both take metal and turn it into something people can really listen to. I can't understand what they are saying in screamo. Lyrics make the song in most metal.
I wouldn't really call SOAD as metal but they do rock. Manson's music is indeed awesome but I don't listen to it because I dislike him.
I don't like it when some bands try to be heavy only for the sake of being heavy rather than focusing on the overall quality of their sound. Not that anyone cares or anything
Amorphis
Chain Reaktion
Ensiferum
Iron Maiden
Nightwish
Valor
(Melodic) heavy metal is only one genre I happen to like, I have pretty wide taste in music. The list over there lists pretty much my favourite metal bands. I'd like to pimp Chain Reaktion ( my friend's band, http://www.chainreaktion.tk/ ) and Valor ( our own Spyros' band! http://www.valor.gr/ ). Amorphis, Ensiferum and Nightwish are all pretty famous Finnish bands and Iron Maiden, well, do I need to explain?
I don't listen to genres, so hah!
Actually, I'm too afraid to mention what I like and consider "metal", because it's probably something else, like acid rock, death jazz or something in that direction.
A lot of metal is good! A lot of metal is absolutely terrible! And I guess I'm not a metal "fan" because I don't wear black shirts with band names in illegible fonts on them.
Sure, I like metal.
Most notably:
Blind Guardian
Symphony X
Dream Theater
Apocalyptica
Ayreon (not always metal, of course)
King Crimson (usually not metal, but sometimes I almost think it is)
I don't wear "metal" clothes either and might still listen to other kinds of music though not often. I've always liked songs that have a melancholic tone and give more emphasis on the music and lyrics instead of the singing or beat. So I like metal and orchestral music but most of all I love the combination of both, like in Nightwish
I guess I should really shut up now ::)
soad, NIN, Manson aren't really metal. maybe soad. Depends on how linient you are with nu-metal.
'screamo' is not a metal, but emo/punk. Maybe you mean various extreme metal bands who utilize screetchy black metal vocals?
I don't want to sound like a OMG METAL IS METAL guy but I guess evil, you don't really know what metal is?
QuoteThey both take metal and turn it into something people can really listen to.
If I understand what you mean right here, I gotta say I really dissagree.
I live in Iowa. The radio here consists of two top20s, bad 80s/90s, oldies, country, rock, and enough am talk radio to shake a stick at. Six stations and AM radio. So anything heavy is metal around here.
I ment people as a whole. "Metalheads" can listen to that stuff with people that dislike metal. I guess people relate to them more because the aren't so- I dunno if hardcore is the word for it.
Quote from: rika on Wed 13/07/2005 21:10:39
Exclude Hardcore, Emocore, Grindcore and nu-metal from this topic please...
Come on... what's with the labeling?Ã, Sheesh.Ã, ::)
Sorry, it just bugs me the way people feel the need to pick this stuff apart and classify it, instead of just listening to the music for what it's worth.
I love metal (as if you couldn't tell by my Dimebag Darrell avatar).Ã, I like the more mainstream acts, like Pantera (my fave), and some of Pantera's offspring (Damage Plan and Down), Spineshank, Mushroomhead, Slipknot, Mudvayne, Lamb Of God.Ã, But, on the other hand, I really enjoy a lot of the more non-mainstream bands, like In Flames, Hypocrisy, Brand New Sin, Children Of Bodom, Shadows Fall, Chimara, etc.
What? Hardcore is music now?
Of course it is. "Music" is an extremely broad term.
Quote from: Xarkh on Wed 13/07/2005 22:44:35
Heh, heh... exactly, it was funny. Hmm... speaking of metal we're speaking of subculture. So what about it? Are you still playing with this funny things?Ã, Heh, heh... Know what I mean? Sometimes I still wear my beloved leather, combat trousers and heavy boots, but it's not the same feeling as in the past. Actually I don't deplore my hairs, I'm glad I've cut them -- shaved head is not so bad.
And metal (subculture and partially music) just sucks. :)
Hehe, well, I've never been one for the whole "leather-and-studs"-image-thing, since I've always found it, well, very silly, to be honest.Ã,Â
But if you refer to long hair, well, yes, since I enjoy my long hair. And that's about it. :) I listen just as much to old 60's psychedelic music for me to be called a hippie instead of a metalhead, to tell you the truth... :)
Yes!! I have just waited for this kind of thread to appear ;)
The three kinds of metal I like is Deathmetal, Thrashmetal and Blackmetal. Though the last named is by far my favourite. As I also play in a blackmetal band its hard for me to listen to anything else.
Bands I really like are:
Enslaved
Dissection
Mörk Gryning
Pagan Reign
Ulver
Skyforger
Setherial
...And many more that I dont want to bore you with.
There are alot of people saying: "They are just screaming all the time! >:( " and I just hate that. Because of this they think every Black or Death band is very bad music and hate it for that.
Sure, at first I didnt like either Deathmetal or Blackmetal but I started paying attention to the melodies and in some bands noticed very odd riffs that wouldnt be found in any other genre that I knew of. I like the singing in many Blackmetalbands to (not growl like in deathmetal though) because they are sometimes very different from band to band, or even album to album. Trying new styles, finding some style that havent been done yet.
I really like exploring, experimenting with new things when it comes to music, that may be why I like Black so much. And I really think that metal deserves more attention than it gets today.
And im sorry if im maybe offending some of you for saying this, but I really cant see anything good with the nu-metal genre.
Las: hardcore came from 'hardcore punk' whichi isn't the same as hardcore, or punk. It's silly, but people like to overclassify. Depends on who you ask on what is hardcore and what is not. I tend to call 'hardcore punk' bands hardcore, like old Husker Du, Minutemen, early DRI, UK Subs, Crumbsuckers etc because I'm too ashamed to admit that the current wave of retarded slayer-meets-madball type of bands exist, much less deserve their own genre.
My personal metal favourites include early progressive metal/involved thrash metal like Coroner, Psychotic Waltz, Mekong Delta, Deathrow, Midas Touch, Watchtower, Sieges Even, Megace to doom metal like Candlemass, Shape of Despair, Skepticism, Evoken to some extremely idiosyncratic and unclassifiable bands like Maudlin of the Well, The 3rd and the Mortal, Unholy
Oh yea, I like metal. Most of it anyway ;)
For those who are dutch, and have cable or adsl you should try this. http://www.kinkaardschok.nl/ It's an dutch metal internet radio.
Altho they dont really play the "harder" stuff like grindkorn or viking metal. (wich I dont really mind anyway)
Grindkorn!!
Helm, I think that is what you get when you put Jonathan Davies in a meatgrinder.
Either that, or people grinding with corn as a rhythm-instrument.
Come to think of it, the sound of popcorn popping could make for a great progressive drumbeat.
I wonder if the Dillinger Escape Plan and Atheist are up for the challenge?
Cannibal Korn
*ahem* Grindcore is what i meant ofcourse. :-X
I'm not into metal enough to know what the differences are between each type, and I suppose I like the more commercial stuff. I like a good bit of metal, my favourite bands being;
Sepultura (ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTS)
Machine Head, Pantera, Metallica, Megadeath, In Flames, Chaimera, Mastadon, some Rage and some Strapping Young Lad (though they're a bit extreme for me, and the music isn't particularly blinding). Ramstein can be fun in the right mood too :P
And if they also count, some Slipknot.
plus the currently unknown Equinox, Kerosine and Doom Engine!
Malevolentknot
Asphixzkit
Soadfocation
This whole thread has me feeling terribly old.
When I think metal, I think of the sort of metal I listened to when I was a young'un. Motorhead, Judas Priest, Old Metallica (anything before and including Master of Puppets), Iron Maiden, Anthrax, that sort of thing. I was also into the louder punk stuff like Husker Du and Black Flag - both of which are practically golden oldies by today's standards.
Most of the more modern metal I just can't get into. But then, it isn't really for me, is it?
I need some warm milk and a nap. I tire so easily these days.
- Ponch
Hmmmh.... so you got me into this... all is not metal, I just list what I can think of, and I naturally forget something...
Deathchain
Ensiferum
Iron Maiden
Metallica (old, Master or Puppets and the Black album mostly)
Sonata Arctica
Dream Evil
Children Of Bodom
Nightwish
Ramones
Sentenced
For My Pain
Accept
Helloween
Kiuas
Chain Reaktion
Diablo *
Dreamtale *
and others, which I can't right now remember o_O I'll be back to url them names for the ones I know the homepage of...
* EDIT: Yah, as I said, I forgot some... and more are sure to come...
Quote from: Ponch on Thu 14/07/2005 23:09:58
This whole thread has me feeling terribly old.
When I think metal, I think of the sort of metal I listened to when I was a young'un. Motorhead, Judas Priest, Old Metallica (anything before and including Master of Puppets), Iron Maiden, Anthrax, that sort of thing. I was also into the louder punk stuff like Husker Du and Black Flag - both of which are practically golden oldies by today's standards.
Most of the more modern metal I just can't get into. But then, it isn't really for me, is it?
I need some warm milk and a nap. I tire so easily these days.
I'm only twenty-one and I listened to Metallica when I was young too, and I am talking about Kill 'Em All, Ride the Lightning, and Master of Puppets. But I wouldn't consider that stuff terribly old, really. There's always Blue Öyster Cult.
heh...throughout this thread, the only names I recognised were Metallica, Slipnot, and the ones Evil mentioned.
My cousin went through a "metal phase". That is why I now have a truckload of weird leather-studded hand-me-downs. I even wear some of the stuff once in a while.
I love metal!!
Some bands on my playlist:
Rob Zombie
Battlelore
Kovenant
Ministry
Gothminister
to the guy that said he's old:
you're not acting old, but acting smart, cause the 80's were the golden age of metal
Quote from: rika on Fri 15/07/2005 17:48:31
to the guy that said he's old:
you're not acting old, but acting smart, cause the 80's were the golden age of metal
Exactly!
I am old, though.
So very, very old.
- Ponch
Maiden! Maiden! Maiden!
The first time around...
:o
Now, thats OLD. ;D
The Minibosses (http://minibosses.com), yo. Dunno if they classify as metal or not to many of you, but they still rock. I enjoy a bit of metal now and then, but I'm not a big fan of lyrical music for the most part, which seems to classify Metal for a lot of people. I mostly just listen to whatever my older brother listened to when we still lived in the same house back in the 90's - He's the family metalhead. Lots of Megadeth, Opeth and so on. Would Ozzy be metal? Also groovy. White/Rob Zombie... Saw Slipknot and Marilyn Manson in 2001 in Osaka - that was fun, though Concerts just aren't as cool in Japan. Nine Inch Nails rocks still - Saw the NIN/David Bowie tour back in the day, too.
I'm personally much more inclined to techno and jazz, but I can certainly appreciate metal for its driving energy and what-have you. Especially good to listen to for getting my head moving again when I'm up at 4 a.m. working on a bit of sprite animation.
I love metal!
Here are my fav metal bands:
AC/DC
motörhead
iron maiden
metallica (before st.anger)
sentenced
Sure, I like metal. Espically the Alkali Earth metals. Sodium, Lithium and so on. Though, of course, Francium is the most excellent one of all. I think most of the precious metals are a little too pretentious for my taste, but copper is always a good standby. I only like pure metals, though, no alloys.
Pure metals... like pure gold?
PURE GOLD, PURE GOLD!Ã, RRRRR!!!!
/me sends atomic monsters after Ghormak
Led Zeppelin is a tad on the heavy side, despite being quite soft.
But Iron Maiden is just too....ferrous.
Sacred Steel is a nice metal too, if you can get a priest, a judas one.
I'm into metal. Stuff like:
In Flames
Pantera
Strapping Young Lad
Iron Maiden
Slayer
Iced Earth
Metallica (before Black Album)
GWAR (some of it is metal)
Black Sabbath
Shadows Fall
Manowar
Children of Bodom
Cradle of Filth
and I don't know if they count, but I like Atreyu, too. I just saw them this Saturday.
I know, my metalhead status is revoked because I like them, but whatever.
Tool are Metal?
Korn?
Maybe dEUS?
Shit! I have no idea about genres. Everything just crossfades into something else...
Quote from: nikolasideris on Thu 21/07/2005 06:26:41
I have no idea about genres.
Everybody are too genre-oriented nowdays. Well, it's good if you can tell a friend "it's powermetal" if they ask what some band is like, but... jeez, still, all the sub-genres and sub-sub-genres... and if you accidentaly call some trash metal black metal someone is bound to go crazy about it... serious, what's the point?
If you call a cubist painting, a symbolist painting you seem confused and you cannot discuss with people less confused than you because you abuse the common terminology. It is the same with musical genres. As most people who aren't really interested in painting think of all modern painting is 'incomprehensible crap', people with no deep knowledge of music thing everything with loud guitars belongs to some particularily obnoxious kind of heavy metal. Genres make the life easier for people who desire to discuss the specifics of various musical movements. Make this analogy with anything you feel passionate about.
I like metal (the term Heavy Metal was used by a journalist to discribe Jimi Hendrix in the late 60:s). By that I mean all the goodies from the end of 60:s, 70:s and 80:s.
But I like some newer stuff like Dream Theater, Pagan's Mind, Freak Kitchen etc.
I think all the diffrent metal genres and sub-genres is keeping (some) bands from being original and intressting. There too busy trying to fit a category ;)
Quote from: Floskfinger on Fri 22/07/2005 00:51:38
Dream Theater
Was about time someone named them here...
Mattias Eklundh rocks man, Freak Kitchen are definetly one of my favourite bands and I'm from Australia. No one knows who he is
And yeah Dream Theater rock also, been into them since I&W since I was young tottler of 12 now I am 24
Well yea, it's ofcource good you can name one band powermetal and some other deathmetal, but if you call some meloblack band deathmetal, someone goes all sixes and sevens on you...
Well... ifyou think about it genres are there so as not to mix traditional Indian music (for example) with, I don't know what else in the stroes...
But anyway it seems to me that a lot of bands (even most of them if you want) are made from the music industry.
I cannot believe that Marilyn Manson is not fake (but he sounds hard enough to enter this thread).
On the other hand NIN sound to me a little POP ???
I really can imagine, people playing Death-Trash-Black whatever Metal and going back home to their families and kids and all (really).
you really can't or can?
And a lot of people play thrash or death metal like it's their life depends on it. Even in this post-modern world a lot of people passionately love about the music they've chosen to play.
Marylin Manson isn't metal at all.
Quote from: Helm on Fri 22/07/2005 18:25:29
Marylin Manson isn't metal at all.
I know that, but you have to admit that he has a pretty hard sound (industrial though)
The thing is that really lot of the things we see on TV or MTV or live gigs or whatever, are just marketing. And anyway for an album to come out you need a whole buch of people (engineer, technician, producer, executive producer [I hate these guys] etc.) so the whole concept of an album is rarely the idea of a band, or a single person.
I just don't like people thinking that Metalica's album cover was made from metalica, or that anybody from the band had anything to do with it.
It is the companies that deal with these things...
Of course there are examples of bands that do it all themselves but it is pretty rare...
Anyway Does anybody have a definition for a metal sound (because just a lot of overdrive and some double kicks, don't make Metal, do they?) Where is the line that seperates metal from anything else?
I don't think there's a definite line, but one thing that's sure is that loud or heavy does not necessarily equal metal. As for Marilyn Manson, I only heard his Sweet Dreams cover and it kinda sounded like metal to me
most current actual metal bands, especially extreme metal bands have nothing to do with 'executive producers' if that makes you feel any better. Seriously. Most of these bands lose or at best don't see ANY money from putting out a record, and only see some returns when they play live shows. Most of them have day jobs.
Quoteso the whole concept of an album is rarely the idea of a band, or a single person.
so quite often it is.
The definition of heavy metal is a tricky one. It's far easier to tell what isn't metal than what is. Generally it has to be defined socially, historically as well as musically ( the timbre or predominating scales used) as well of course, aesthetically.
timbre and predominating scales? I googled it but I couldn't find anything, can anyone tell me how these work?
timbre is the sound of an instrument. I am refering to the specific brand of distorted and nondistrorted guitar sound and overcompressed drum most metal bands employ as the specific timbre in this case.
And predominant scales in heavy metal include pentatonic minor and major, natural minor, harmonic minor, several modes ( with which I have no experience so I won't comment) and when going to more extreme styles of metal a lot of chromaticism and fake atonal (based on a minor scale, but with plenty use of accidentals that are in the way of the fingering) scales. Metal chords most used are powerchords, inverted powerchords, octave chords ( nevermore must have not played a regular power chord in ages) tonic-fifth, tonic-fifth-ninth etc
ooooh thank you very much, thanks for clearing that up ;D. I thought it was new scales I never heard of before
Well, actually I think that we're getting further and further away from Rika's original question. I have to be honest. I do listen to hard sounding bands (Tool, Korn, NIN), but I don't think that these bands belong to the territory of Metal. There you have it. I'm nbot really a Metal FAN, as you might have guessed.
But I'm open minded...
There's numerous metal bands whose recordings make for worthwhile experiences for people who are not interested in the 'lifestyle' aspect of it at all. Here's a few:
Maudlin of the Well
The 3rd and the Mortal
Psychotic Waltz
Pelican
I pretend to play guitar, but I only understood like half of the stuff Helm wrote about the chords and whatnot used in metal... (or my translating side of the stuff bailed out...) Guess I still have a lot to learn ¬¬