When i first came to AGS, Christmas 2003, I hungered to know everything about AGS, not in the technical sense but rather the historical. I missed a large amount of history, the beginning, yahtzee and the newbie waves and more recently Os, and sought to find out as much as possible. Unfortunatly alot of this info is buried in the old forums and some of it is just not there. I was wondering if some of the oldies would like to get together and write a history of AGS to cover all these bases. This would help newbies understand something of the community and not just the program.
The Chronicles of AGS, from it's humble beginnings to its widespread fame. hehe.... It could be a sort of history book when we rule the world. I'd have had much more fun reading about the Pumaman than Louis the Sun king
I actually intended to compile such a history essay once, and contacted both Helm and DG to help me out, but eventually I never got around to do it.
If some true oldies wanna contribute with articles and material, I'd love to do give it another try.
Even though I'm also sort of a newbie to many people (when I joined in June 2001 the community already had an extensive history), few people enjoy digging into projects like this like I do :)
Nevertheless, it's a good idea. Especially since I reckon we're pretty close to the fifth anniversary of CJ:s little engine.
Whoa, you only joined two months before me? I thought you'd been around a lot longer...
And I thought you both had been here a lot longer than me, but I joined in March 2001!
Holy crap, I'm an old fart!
Also, for some history stuff, I recommend Andail's dictionary (see his sig).
MOOREFIELD, JESSIE
(Evenwolf) AGS-veteran, joined the community in the first "newbie-wave" in early autumn 2001. Soon became well-known for his diplomatic personality, that helped soothing the sometimes fiery atmosphere that characterized the community at this time.
Hahaha.
My full name contains only one "i".
Wasn't there some suggestion of having a wiki for the dictionary. That would probably work well for any kind of history, too. In fact, why not have it all as one glorious whole...?
/me changes DGMacphee's entry to "Daniel sucks, LOL!!1! pwned!!!one!"
I thought there already was a history, or didnt it take off?
Here's a history for you:
Life sucked. AGS was made. Life was mediocre. Pesty joined. Life was awesome.
You don't need to know any more than that.
There was a technical history of AGS itself at one point, but I removed it because it was boring.
It'd certainly be interesting to read a history of this place ... even I've forgotten most of what happened in the pre-ezboard era.
Oh and um yes, AGS's 5th Anniversary is in a couple of weeks time on the 18th September, and I'll be inviting several celebrities along, together with local dignitaries. I'll therefore be preparing various answers for when they ask "So, where's the Queen then?" and "I thought you said this party had free food".
i too, as a relative n00b would enjoy reading about what happened before me. Also. i think a proper directory of members would be nice. like a yearbook. COmplete with goofy photos and "ill always remember"
Maybe we ought to write user biographies/autobiographies.
Quote from: Raggit on Wed 01/09/2004 23:47:43
Maybe we ought to write user biographies/autobiographies.
I like where thats headed
AGS history makes me pee.
Shawno makes me back away slowly, trying not to attract notice.
Sigh... n00bs.
Quote from: rodekill on Thu 02/09/2004 01:21:58
Sigh... n00bs.
shbazjinkens (http://p066.ezboard.com/bdosuserforums.showLocalUserPublicProfile?login=shbazjinkens): Member Since :: July 28, 2000
Mind you, I was around before then unregistered and with a different nickname. AHEM - n00b!
On a side note, I think the AGS history should include the hobbies I had when I was 16:
QuoteHobbies :: Flatulating, Beating up girls, stomping on puppies, eating carrots
Wow.
I don't think the history of the community is all that interesting if you didn't partake in it.
How interesting is this?
"At one point in 2001 Davis and Helm had a fight about Davis' site Pmind.com. Helm said it was childish and didn't appreciate the use of sex as a selling point while Davis thought Helm was being overly critical and hypocritical. The fight went on for several hours and then kinda stopped, maybe they switched to privately emailing each other or they just gave up. But yea, that happened."
or maybe people remember things that are worth writing about. Little Willy was fun but again, had to be there, especially because there is very little record of Little Willy. A history of games and when they were released could be interesting. A game time line.
shbazsjiomkom -> Touche. However, I return my touche since you still didn't get the reference. I mean, come on, things make me pee. Classic.
http://p066.ezboard.com/bdosuserforums.showLocalUserPublicProfile?login=scummbuddy
:'(
Hehe so you're officially Scummdead in Ezboard then. ;D
Scramm, AG.com, ROTN, Yahtzee, Larry Vales/Rob Blanc, Helm Vs Eric, Little willy, Ags going to Windows.
Just off the top of my head. I think the history will be as interesting as the person writing it. Perhaps a brief overview of each event in chronological order. Each section following with a couple write ups of people who were around and give their thoughts and what they remember.. type of thing.
I joined sometime in.. '99 so I would be happy to contribute whatever I can.
Quote from: rodekill on Thu 02/09/2004 03:16:37
shbazsjiomkom -> Touche. However, I return my touche since you still didn't get the reference. I mean, come on, things make me pee. Classic.
Yeah, strikes me as odd he didn't get the reference. All oldies should get the reference.
Unless...
THEY'RE VAMPIRES! OR ZOMBIES! OR VAMPIRE ZOMBIES! RUN!!!
Also, I remember the infamous Helm vs Eric fight that fool us all (especially me) for 5 days! coutn tehm!
And the exodus from Ezboard was also a point worth mentioning.
even I get the reference.
ld reallr be interested in stuff that happened before me. I mean stuff like yahtzee leaving and the whoile 2ma2 thing which i still don't really get. What was so special about him?
Quotethe whoile 2ma2 thing which i still don't really get. What was so special about him?
Hm...I dunno, he made some good games?
He's also a nice guy, plays the guitar and likes to draw, just like me.
2ma2 was one of the best artists with a completed game when I joined the forums.
And he made an infamous MAGS game that featured AGS veterans! Real good guy.
i dunno, its just tiki made a post posing as 2ma2 and then told everyone to stop wetting themselves so i thought maybe he was some kind of AGS god. whered he go?
Quote from: Zootyfruit on Thu 02/09/2004 12:15:41
so i thought maybe he was some kind of AGS god.
You're not far from the truth, but you have to have known him to understand.
I can kinda see what eric is talking about after thinking of 2ma2. The history here is something where you "had to be there". We could go about writing it all down, but it wouldn't be the same. Even words can't explain everything.
Zooty, you have to try to understand that this is a "hobby forum".
As much a person devotes his time to such a thing, there are still greater priorities in his life.Ã, 2ma2 is surely taking care of those right now, so I am not worried, dissapointed, baffled etc. that he is not currently posting.
That is not to say I would not rejoice if my "hobby forum 'friend'" were once again to return.Ã, I'll go farther and say that I liked him because he treated me very kindly as a newbie.Ã, Ã, He even included me and my old avatar in his game, flattering me tremendously.Ã,Â
Ah 2ma2. Will we ever see Artie Salamon? *sniff*
To be honest, I'm inclined to agree with others. How funny are Little Willy or Andy P3n15h going to be to people who weren't here to witness them? Probably not very. Slippery treats probably have very limited comedy value upon retelling, even if they do make you pee.
But the main point of this post was just to lament the loss of WTII?
Poobungies
I, too, would be interested in reading the history of AGS. During the two years I've been there, and the few months in 2001, I've learned quite many things about the history but I'd like to see some happenings sorted when they happened and so on. Maybe some comments from oldies would be nice, like someone mentioned.
And 2ma2! Bring us the Artie Salomon! We know you're still lurking there somewhere! (Or then again, maybe you're not...)
If I remember anything, I'll be happy to contribute. Finally something I'm good at. I mean... I'm pretty much a wreck at moderating the finished games forum.
2ma2 was so impressive because it was the very first game that had actual, well... graphics. This was a time when 80% of all games featured Roger, and half of those had him animated wrong, or not at all.
2ma2 hadn't advertised his game much, it just appeared out of nowhere, and everybody was blown away by how tremendously GOOD it looked. It had never before been seen, and for me personally - I had never even imagined that amateur adventure games could get this good. I'd pretty much settled for every game featuring Roger, ad infinitum. And I liked it that way.
And yeah, then came 2ma2's game. And things changed, forever. They made it so graphically challenged people like myself lost self-confidence and well... our Roger-featuring games got no attention at all. And we started drawing, and tried to get up to that standard... even Phil Reed tried hard to get better graphics going in Larry Vales 2, and more notably in 3 - and that is because of 2ma2's game.
I say the first game with good graphics, I mean the first finished one that got a lot of attention. There were demos and 2-room games before, but nothing finished. And mind you - this was a time in which a finished game was actually cause for celebration.
I can see how the game wouldn't be very impressive in this day and age, what with No Action Jackson and Apprentice, and so much luxury that you can't even play all the good games anymore. It was earth-shattering back then, though.
And that, children, is why the terrorist can never win!
Should we go all VH1, with "Remember the AGS history?" The only thing about getting together something with all of AGS's history, is that the oldbies cannot alienate the n00b's with jokes of yesteryear. Ergo if we no longer have that control of information, life as we know it could...possibly...be very similar, only people will know things.
Eh...if people are interested I see no harm in telling them what happened in the past. The question is, how does one go about doing that? Do we give AGS life stories on the founding members? Or talk about what happened in the forums? Or when games came out, and how they effected the community?
The only real problem I have, is I can't remember too much. I remember some of the bigger things, moreso in the past, but after a while forum life just melds into one big mush of events. But that could just be me...
In any event good luck to anyone who wishes to go forward with the idea of writing down AGS history.
-MillsJROSS
We could talk about how no one dared venture into the General Forum, for fear of attracting the intellectual likes of Las Naranjas or Helm. I could write a short story in metaphor about that, relating it to a hostage situation.
yhanks, i just thought that maybe 2ma left in a yahtzee style flurry (which i still dont know about) i really wish i had been aroiund longer but this is the first forum ive been in where n00bs like me have been welcomed and ecnouraged instead of mocked and kicked out. I was probably an a-hole when i first posted here but a year of experience has turned me into the eloquent handsome young man you see before you today.
ahem.
No, he just gradually stopped posting, which noone really noticed since he never posted much. Then he was gone, or I guess maybe the time between him posting has simply increased exponentionally. We shall never know.
Edit: Never mind that, where the hell is Scurvyeye?
Fine... You guys just had to keep on pressing for this!
Well, I can't be held responsible for the actions of The AGS Newsbot... But you just HAD to have it!
(http://sylpher.com/kafka/junk/agsnewsbot.gif)
I hope you like your... news!
Does anybody remember how we started this newsbot extravaganza anyway? I remember that mine was the third one, and it destroyed both Eric's and Andail's (a good bot it was...)
P.S. Hahaha, I'm so deep in making my game these days that I put " before the ) and deleted it only after a while.
P.S.2 Don't you think that P.S.'s that start with Hahaha are somewhat suspicious?
The proof is still intact:
http://www.agsforums.com/newsbots.htm
And that's one hell of a newsbot there, eric ... but it's not announcing any news?!?!1
He's just warming up CJ, I just took him out of the packaging
That's what the big speaker on his chest is for
(http://www.rodekill.com/junk/newstoo.gif)
Quote from: Esseb on Thu 02/09/2004 15:55:27
Edit: Never mind that, where the hell is Scurvyeye?
I second that.
I was playing the Lou Marlou demo a few days ago.
And I was thinking just that.
After reading the newbot thread: "HAHAHAHAHAHA! Cat pictures! What the hell was I thinking?!?"
I think if that thread is to be put in the AGSer hall of fame, then surely it's spinoff (or at least parts of it) should be saved too:
http://www.agsforums.com/yabb/index.php?topic=13722.0
You remember? More newsbots n all? Ya you do.
EDIT - it's funny, after posting this I went back & did a couple of random forum searches, & I found a loada brilliantly funny topics back there. I don't want to post any here, as I'm sure someone will accidently reply to them & they'll get bumped up, resulting in an army of zombie threads (I'm sure the Michael Moore one is gonna get bumped up soon, to be honest.......), but if you can vaguely remember any good threads, go look 'em up again. Chances are they'll give you a smile.
EDIT NUMBER 00000000002 - It also occured to me that I am getting all nostalgic a day before my two year anniversary at AGS (joined 4th September 2002). Huzzah.
The RISE, the GOLDEN AGE and the yet to come and inevitable FALL of AGS.
When you look at it, AGS community is like a living being, that's why we all feel like home here, and want to know more about it.
I remember coming at the end of an era, on the version 2.31 ( i think),or even before, but didn't do much.
Anyho. The truth.
(http://www.inet.hr/~slorenci/other/cj.gif)
I came 3 days before the 2003 awards. I read about all the stuff of yesteryear and I wonder to myself, is it the same? Where are the Yahtzees, the inovative games, the forum jokes? I feel I joined to late sometimes, but there is always tomorrow.
That is the truth, tho' it's harder now toÃ, put your game on the front page, because of the competition, but there is always the future we are to make by our own decisions.
Sieze the day!
Savour the moment!
:=
Regarding 2ma2, having met him twice in real life it's kinda sad to see him disappear as not only was he an awesome game maker but an awesome person too. He was part of the equation that made Mittens 2003 one of the best weeks of my life, so it's a bummer to not see his presence anymore.