"An unusual sex survey has found that Australians who enjoy bondage and discipline are not damaged or dangerous, and might even be happier than those who practise "normal" sex." Such is the quote from The Age, Australia. The survey was made asking 20000 couples about their life and sexlife separately, it was done by the university of NSW(North South Wales) in Australia.
Link (http://www.theage.com.au/news/relationships/happiness-is--kinky-sex/2008/08/25/1219516356413.html)
QuoteThe findings showed that it was more common among gay, lesbian and bisexual people, and that participants were more likely to have been more sexually adventurous in other ways.
"However, they were no more likely to have been coerced into sexual activity and were not significantly more likely to be unhappy or anxious," said Prof Richters, author of the book Doing It Down Under.
In fact, men who take part may be happier, with results showing they score significantly lower on a scale of psychological distress than other men.
QuoteProf Richters says the findings go against professional views of BDSM.
"People with these sexual interests have long been seen by medicine and the law as, at best, damaged and in need of therapy and, at worst, dangerous and in need of legal regulation," she said.
There was also an assumption, mostly among the general public, that people involved in BDSM were sexually deficient in some way, "and need particularly strong stimuli such as being beaten or tied up to become aroused".
She said she hoped the results would help change these stereotypes.
About time. I need to show this to my girlfriend. Even though I am pretty happy at the moment, if you know what I mean ;) But one could always use more. I like the idea int he picture there on that site.
Apparently it's worth publishing since I saw this thing on every newspaper here today! Also, now that I've been alone a bit more, I've been enjoying some spanking videos myself. You should try it too. It makes you happy, and doesn't mean you're sexually deficient! I read this little booklet they were selling at the psychology section of the book store, and it also encouraged to spank a bit, with an open hand. Some might be afraid of the sound it makes, but I like how my flatmates can hear it all. Damn, if I had the chance to be molested like a dead pig, I'd sure as hell take it. That's how happy I am with my life!
Why am I posting this? Because I'm happy, not bored, as you would assume.
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I don't know, each time, I realise that I have never experienced BDSM on myself, makes me very very happy.
There's also been a study recently showing that by taking "the pill" women are choosing different men then by natural instinct. (scent usually leads a woman to a man with an opposite immune system in order to protect potential offspring) The pill is fucking up this natural instinct, and hence "true love".
I thought that study was really really intriguing, if I can dig it up.
Everyone has their kinks. Just because someone has a kink that isn't yours, doesn't make it weird, it just means it isn't your kink, and visa the versa. Personally, I think BDSM looks absolutely ridiculous, but that's because it just isn't my kind of kink. Now futanari on the other hand. . .
Quote from: lo_res_man on Wed 27/08/2008 20:38:11
Now futanari (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite) on the other hand. . .
Thank you very much! Now I'm also very very happy each time, I realise that I have never experienced futanari.
Like I said, we all have our kinks. Mine just likely grosses out 98% of the population on this forum :P. On the other hand, I find BDSM creepy and more then a little silly, yet I am not going to get all indignent about it. Yet another case of 'each to their own'.
Yeah, I guess it's only good to hear stuff like this. It opens your mind to other views to life, and sex. Sex is after all considered a taboo with most people, and a pretty controversial subject. Most people have their images of the usual kind of sex, under the blanket, lights off, sax music, like in all the 80s Hollywood flicks. But in real life it's never the same unless you really are restricted to what you learn from others that are also living in the closet, in a sense. I think it's purifying to let it all just out there. I like Bondage, spanking, body painting a lot, cosplay, stuff like that, but I also enjoy the traditional kind. some like to watch, like Derek "Fish" Dick ;) and some are into futanari, which reminds me of that Genesis song, The Fountain of Salmacis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnbaJG_tsMY). 's all cool in my book really, even though I'm not into everything, but I'm up FOR everything if so suggested.
Well I dunno about BDSM but I always have the feeling gay people are happier then straight people. They just seem less stressed about things that don't matter. And are more layed back.
maybe it's the same with this?
Meh, if to be laid back I have to wear a latex body suit (I am allergic to latex) and spikes and a gag ball and get hit with whips, then I think I will stay my hyperactive monkey squirrel self.
Opinions may vary.
I recently read a similar article from the BBC, which was a response to the tabloids screaming damnation and fire and brimstone over some guy who'd been having weird bondage orgies with prostitutes; the tabloids claimed that these orgies were nazi-themed, which was the only thing that he denied. (Prostitution is a pretty thorny issue, but I frankly don't see a problem with having a nazi-themed orgy unless you actually are a neo-nazi.) It generalized from this story and kind of talked about the BDSM culture in Britain, which is apparently particularly pervasive but especially hidden, probably because of the social emphasis on propriety in that particular culture. This particular article had a bunch of responses after it; there were about twenty or thirty, and only two expressed a distaste for it, both based on religious objections to anything other than lights-off-missionary-position-with-the-husband/wife-once-a-week. The others all said that it was their own business, they didn't see the harm, they enjoyed it quite a bit and saw it as a healthy expression of trust, they'd prefer their kids have BDSM sex than get beaten to a pulp playing rugby, etc, etc. The best response said something along the line of, "There's nothing more British than a good spanking followed by a nice cup of tea. It's what built the Empire!"
So yeah, this doesn't surprise me at all; I'd say that it probably generalizes to people who are into costumes or pegging or role-playing or whatever other fetish you can think up. If somebody is content with lights-off-missionary-position all the time, they are either boring or very, very repressed, in my frank opinion.
Quote from: Tuomas on Wed 27/08/2008 21:32:14
Sex is after all considered a taboo with most people, and a pretty controversial subject.Most people have their images of the usual kind of sex, under the blanket, lights off, sax music, like in all the 80s Hollywood flicks. But in real life it's never the same unless you really are restricted to what you learn from others that are also living in the closet, in a sense.
Quote from: Makeout Patrol on Thu 28/08/2008 00:56:36I'd say that it probably generalizes to people who are into costumes or pegging or role-playing or whatever other fetish you can think up. If somebody is content with lights-off-missionary-position all the time, they are either boring or very, very repressed, in my frank opinion.
I think that's exactly what the issue is, personally.
People who are open about (and act on) their fetishes know what they like, and go for it in spite of the taboos.
They're generally happier because they get more of a... release than those who are too repressed to try something different.
Also, what Buckethead said, that's kinda the same theory.
Homosexuality is still a pretty big taboo in society (that's why it's sometimes really tough for gay people to come out), but once you've overcome a taboo that big, the little stuff that most people stress over must seem somewhat less significant.
Quote from: Makeout Patrol on Thu 28/08/2008 00:56:36
It generalized from this story and kind of talked about the BDSM culture in Britain, which is apparently particularly pervasive but especially hidden, probably because of the social emphasis on propriety in that particular culture.
It's more because BDSM is illegal in the UK, even though it may be completely consensual.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation Spanner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation%20Spanner), for example.
The interesting end game from that train of thought however, is that if BDSM becomes accepted by society,then they will become just like those whose kinks aren't what is now considered kinky. If it is no longer a taboo, will it hold the same interest?
It's all fairly unsurprising and makes perfect sense, when you think about it.
There are no absolutes here, but it does make sense that it would often seem that gay people tend to be happier and less stressed than straight people in the same way that people who enjoy BDSM or people who have very healthy, open sexual relationships seem happier overall.
Because people like this are on the whole a lot more honest and comfortable with sex, and themselves, and of course this leads to having less stress and just being generally happier in life than people who are leading lives where perhaps they aren't satisfied sexually or aren't comfortable with sex, or aren't comfortable with themselves and their desires.
I mean, there are many ways to look at it and these are generalisations. I'm not saying you have to be gay or into BDSM to be happy! I'm not saying people who aren't into things like that aren't happy. But speaking generally, it just makes sense. And this doesn't just apply to sex, of course, but also just attitudes that have to do with relationships and love and whatnot. Generally, people will tend to be happier the more they learn to accept about life and the way people are, and of course, this applies to themselves and their partners too.
When I HAVE a sex life, it's a pretty gosh darn good one! And I'm a pretty laid back person in part because of that. Many years ago, I would get hung up on the way other people were far more, as if their existance somehow offended my own. When you learn over time to let go of that and learn about people more and become both more aware and accepting of things in general, it's a wonderfully freeing feeling.
^ This. Except maybe the last paragraph.
That's basically what I was trying to say, but a lot more eloquent.
Quote from: lo_res_man on Thu 28/08/2008 03:50:29
The interesting end game from that train of thought however, is that if BDSM becomes accepted by society,then they will become just like those whose kinks aren't what is now considered kinky. If it is no longer a taboo, will it hold the same interest?
I don't think too many people are into BDSM
because it's taboo.
People just like what they like because they like it.
And for those that are, there will always be something that polite society frowns upon.
Quote from: lo_res_man on Thu 28/08/2008 03:50:29
The interesting end game from that train of thought however, is that if BDSM becomes accepted by society,then they will become just like those whose kinks aren't what is now considered kinky. If it is no longer a taboo, will it hold the same interest?
Speaking as a dude who doesn't mind some rope coming out in the bedroom, I feel that I can safely say that yes, it will hold the same interest; I guess the thrill of doing something taboo is part of it, but it's not a very big part of it.
Quote from: Ultra Magnus on Thu 28/08/2008 03:33:03
It's more because BDSM is illegal in the UK, even though it may be completely consensual.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation Spanner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation%20Spanner), for example.
...wow. I don't even know what to say to that.
I'm extremely open-minded when it comes to these issues. As long as sex is consensual and doesn't involve minors or animals, then hey, whatever floats your boat.
I can easily understand that the missionary is too repetative and unimaginative for many people. And besides, if you have a sexual desire to be tied up and whipped, it's not your fault, we can't exactly decide what we get turned on by.
Then again, having a constant wish to be dominated seems to me, even when I try to be liberated, as a complex psychological issue involving shame, guilt or bad self esteem. Maybe just prejudice...
Yeah, it's really not that self-explanatory. I can't imagine all the time wanting an extreme treatment to be aroused. I would imagine someonedoing this twice a day kind of a numb person, perhaps not a very stable person too. Yet I see(know) how liberating it can be. Imagine you'd wrap yourself up in plastic once a day... can't avoid sounding a bit like an addiction, right? And as far as I know, addictions, be it sex, BDSM or cigarettes can't really be good, can it.
I don't know about bad self esteem. It could also be a personality that's very extrovert, social and perhaps even dominating, like, say, a general manager of an organisation. A person who has and can dominate people all day long. I'd imagine laying back and letting theother half take control over you, being submissive, I'd imagine it's a pretty good way in getting out of most of the pressure and the daily routines. After all, it's not the thing that you do on a daily basis, that get you aroused and turned on. Except for your gf... Though I'd imagine spending 90% of your time in the nude would make it less interesting.
Quote from: Andail on Thu 28/08/2008 08:39:53
Then again, having a constant wish to be dominated seems to me, even when I try to be liberated, as a complex psychological issue involving shame, guilt or bad self esteem. Maybe just prejudice...
That's probably true, to some extent, but I think there are certainly worse ways of dealing with/letting out said issues.
Also, I've heard/read from a couple of people at least that the appeal to them is that they're such control freaks in their day-to-day life that they relish the experience of having control completely taken away from them. Read into that what you will.
Dammit. Tuomas just made the exact same point while I was writing this. ::)
Also also, there was a guy on Radio 4 a while back who made an interesting point.
The reason why people like spicy foods, he said, is that they actually kill tastebuds, which triggers a release of endorphins. BDSM is just an extreme version of the same thing, like skydiving is to rollercoasters.
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The reason why people like spicy foods, he said, is that they actually kill tastebuds, which triggers a release of endorphins. BDSM is just an extreme version of the same thing, like skydiving is to rollercoasters.
I like spicy food, but I'm still very very very happy that I have never experienced BDSM. So, an exception just comfirms the rule, I guess.
It seems kinda boring, when all people just agree with each other in a thread. Why nobody argues? There's gotta be some conservative too-old-schooled argument maker.
Quote from: Lionmonkey on Thu 28/08/2008 10:30:11
I like spicy food, but I'm still very very very happy that I have never experienced BDSM. So, an exception just comfirms the rule, I guess.
So you're saying you're happy you haven't tried it, or you're happy even though you've not tried it? That you're happy for not "trying to be happy" or that you're generally happy without doing it? I'm just trying to make it clear to myself. Basically being happy because fo something is different than being happy for something.
I love spicy food as well. BDSM however doesn't appear like it would appeal. One could use the argument "you don't know till you try it". However, trying a new food is one thing, it is quite another to get all tied up and gimped, to find out then I don't like it. Rather too much of an investment of time and effort and I wouldn't want to hurt the other persons feelings by quitting while they are enjoying themselves. As I hope I have made clear however, if it is your thing, it is your thing. I just, at present, do not believe if it my thing. I don't think it would fair for me to say that anyone twho doesn't share my interest in futanari is repressed. I only ask that others give me the same respect considering BDSM.
Quote from: Tuomas on Thu 28/08/2008 10:46:27
So you're saying you're happy you haven't tried it, or you're happy even though you've not tried it?
I'm very very happy because I haven't tried it.
^^And why does it make you happy?
Because you think it is sick and a sin? :P
Or because you're happy that you have a fulfilled sex life without being tied up? ;)
Quote from: Lionmonkey on Thu 28/08/2008 12:01:12
Quote from: Tuomas on Thu 28/08/2008 10:46:27
So you're saying you're happy you haven't tried it, or you're happy even though you've not tried it?
I'm very very happy because I haven't tried it.
How do you know that's why you're happy? Maybe you're happy for another reason?
I could say I'm happy because I haven't tried LSD. But that's not really a reason to be happy. I'm happy i'm not addicted to LSD, that realyl is a reason to be happy... afaik.
Lo_res_man, you're right. As long as it makes them happy... or horny, everyone should do what they want. The point is not to close in into a husk and claim you're happy. Of course, not knowing better makes you satisfied with what you've got. I guess...
Quote from: Andail on Thu 28/08/2008 08:39:53
I'm extremely open-minded when it comes to these issues. As long as sex is consensual and doesn't involve minors or animals, then hey, whatever floats your boat.
I can easily understand that the missionary is too repetative and unimaginative for many people. And besides, if you have a sexual desire to be tied up and whipped, it's not your fault, we can't exactly decide what we get turned on by.
Then again, having a constant wish to be dominated seems to me, even when I try to be liberated, as a complex psychological issue involving shame, guilt or bad self esteem. Maybe just prejudice...
I guess that it doesn't really hit you at first, but a really big part of it is trust; there needs to be a lot of trust between the partners, and they can both have a lot of fun based on it.
I'd also point out that the phrase "BDSM" encompasses a number of different fetishes, and very few people are really into all of them.
Quote from: Lionmonkey on Thu 28/08/2008 12:01:12
I'm very very happy because I haven't tried it.
So it's not for you, and that's fine, but wouldn't you agree that it makes sense that people who aren't afraid to indulge in their fetishes and more unusual and taboo desires are likelier to be happy?
Quote from: Tuomas on Thu 28/08/2008 17:07:43
I could say I'm happy because I haven't tried LSD. But that's not really a reason to be happy. I'm happy i'm not addicted to LSD, that realyl is a reason to be happy... afaik.
This is off topic, but just FYI, acid isn't physically addictive.
Quote from: TheMagician on Thu 28/08/2008 15:41:59
^^And why does it make you happy?
I honestly don't know, I just feel a striking sensation of happiness each time, I remember a thing called BDSM and realise I haven't experienced it. But that's me. I've been biting and eating 10x10x3 mm pieces of flesh off my arm just because I was bored and had nothing to do. Everyone should just do whatever he/she/it finds most enjoyable.
Quote from: lo_res_man on Thu 28/08/2008 11:34:17
One could use the argument "you don't know till you try it". However, trying a new food is one thing, it is quite another to get all tied up and gimped, to find out then I don't like it.
But you wouldn't, would you?
That's like seeing if you like curry by trying a phall.
You'd start with a korma or something and work your way up, stopping when you get to you own preference's limit.
As Makeout said, there are a lot of different colours in the SM rainbow.
And there are plenty of different shades of each of those colours, too.
You don't have to dive head first into a gimp mask to experiment a bit.
All this is mildly irrelivent at the moment, as Lo_res_man still hasn't even had a chance to go at the old fashioned missionary position. That is correct, Lo_res_man, is a virgin.
Meh, you're not missing much.
Sex is vastly overrated.
I beg to differ. With the right partner, sex can be better than Ben Jordan.
Sex isn't overrated, but losing your virginity surely is.
Quote from: Tuomas on Fri 29/08/2008 08:31:35
I beg to differ. With the right partner, sex can be better than Ben Jordan.
*Sigh* Well until I do, it is just me and my hands. I wish I was a contortionist, contortionists have all the fun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autofellatio). ;)
Yeah, I tried that once years ago. It was quite an experience, but if not someone else, I still prefer my hands. Some recent studies actually show, that sex with oneself has increased a lot. Apparently men in relationships masturbate 20% more than 8 years ago. Some might blame internet too, I guess.
I read once that people (men, women, other) are around twice as likely to orgasm (proper orgasm, not just come) on their own than with a partner.
I reckon it's because on your own you instinctively know when to go up, down, left, rotate 62 degrees, at exactly the right time, speed, what have you.
A partner, no matter how skilled or "in sync" with you they may be, can never know how stuff feels as much as you do yourself.
As I said, overrated.
But hey, if you enjoy it, more power to you.
It's just not for me, is all.
Quote from: Tuomas on Fri 29/08/2008 08:31:35
With the right partner, sex can be better than Ben Jordan.
I personally think Ben Jordan's overrated, too.
Maybe I'm just weird.
Quote from: Ultra Magnus on Fri 29/08/2008 09:40:25
I read once that people (men, women, other) are around twice as likely to orgasm (proper orgasm, not just come) on their own than with a partner.
I reckon it's because on your own you instinctively know when to go up, down, left, rotate 62 degrees, at exactly the right time, speed, what have you.
A partner, no matter how skilled or "in sync" with you they may be, can never know how stuff feels as much as you do yourself.
As I said, overrated.
Yeah, well, I suppose if you see sex that way. Only a third of women get an orgams on a regular basis. Also, 40% of men say they can't have or have problems with having an orgasm during sex. That's a bigger number than the 5 minutes and opps! jokes everyone makes all the time. The thing is though, most people don't have sex because they want an orgasm. An orgasm is a lot easier, and perhaps better done alone when you can savour the moment as long as you want and do it like you want. Sex is more about being together with someone else, or some more. And sharing it. Having sex only to come is... well, harder of course because your hand is a lot more limber than the person you're tossing around like a bag.
Quote from: Tuomas on Fri 29/08/2008 10:06:37
Sex is more about being together with someone else, or some more. And sharing it.
Meh, you can keep it. 8)
That sort of thing just ain't my bag.
Quote from: lo_res_man on Fri 29/08/2008 08:41:10
*Sigh* Well until I do, it is just me and my hands. I wish I was a contortionist, contortionists have all the fun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autofellatio). ;)
Surely you mean CARTOONIST. And you're right; we have all the fun. We don't even need internet porn. A pencil's enough.
Quote from: Ghost on Fri 29/08/2008 13:18:25
We don't even need internet porn. A pencil's enough.
Because you can draw your own entertainment, or are you just sexually aroused by pencils?
err... bo... both? ::)
No, seriously, let me add one thing to this thread that has relevance. It has been said before, but saying it again will make it a little more true. Everyone to their own taste,
as long as it doesn't hurt anyone who does not want to be hurt, and until everyone involved is of age. I am often puzzled when people start to heat up over that stuff. Aren't we supposed to live in a time when everything is all without taboo?
To think that only 9 years ago, people in music videos looked *NOT* as if they wanted to have sex with you, desperately, right here! We actually had to listen to the lyrics!
You know, it says a lot about the AGS community that this didn't turn out to be a totale flamefest.
And yeah, whatever floats your boat is fine as long as it's consensual, all participants can legally agree, and everybody involved enjoys it. Well... except if we're talking about this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_fetishism). I'm not sure what that does to the consensuality thing.
Quote from: Akatosh on Sun 31/08/2008 13:11:42
And yeah, whatever floats your boat is fine as long as it's consensual, all participants can legally agree, and everybody involved enjoys it. Well... except if we're talking about this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_fetishism). I'm not sure what that does to the consensuality thing.
Nothing at all, for many decades to come? Or am I missing something?
However, there is already educational films to scare the pa-doodles out of you if you even consider that. Observe (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7714940296885574087)
Quote from: lo_res_man on Wed 27/08/2008 20:38:11
... Now futanari on the other hand. . .
One quick Google search later.... AH! MY EYES!
Actually, I've seen this before. I just didn't know that it went by that name. From what little Japanese is still rattling around in my head from years back, I was expecting something else. Like centaurs or something, I guess.
Frankly, I'm utterly baffled by it, but hey, you know, whatever turns your crank, you know?
I have a friend who has a bunch of manga with this stuff in it. I'm sure Freud would have a field day with her. She's big into the "yaoi" manga too. The latter I "get," even if it's not my thing. If you don't mind, lo_res_man, what is the appeal of the futanari stuff? I'm not criticizing you. I'm not grossed out by it either (saw too many German and Japanese video nasties while I was in the service to ever by grossed out by anything again, I suspect). I just don't "get" it. Google returned a hell of a lot of stuff, so there must be a market for it. What's the appeal, dude?
And on the BDSM topic, it seems to me that the shock value of S/M was played out a long time ago. Once super models starting strutting the catwalks in fetish gear, any "underground" cred it still had evaporated overnight. Hell, even Brittney Spears laughably tried out the look.
Now that S/M is becoming mainstream, what's the next taboo?
Futanari, I suppose? Maybe lo_res_man is on the cutting edge of the next big thing? ;)
- Ponch
Quote from: Ponch on Tue 02/09/2008 07:03:10
Now that S/M is becoming mainstream, what's the next taboo?
Robert A. Heinlein answers this in a short story, the name of which has slipped my mind. In that story a guy time-travels into a future where all sexual perversions are so normal that, desperate for a freak minority, people
who quitely sit in restaurants to have dinner are hunted down with torches and pitchforks by angry mobs.
If it were Starbuck's clienteel, I'd totally understand that.
Quote from: Ghost on Tue 02/09/2008 07:32:56
people who quitely sit in restaurants to have dinner are hunted down with torches and pitchforks by angry mobs.
Well, that's what the deserve, isn't it? Flaunting their quiet, middle class lifestyle for all to see. Lording their satisfying, vanilla sex lives over everyone. The nerve of some people!
I've read a lot of Heinlein over the years. Must have missed that one. I'll have to look it up as it sounds quite interesting.
- Ponch
Futanari, as in girls with penises (though this is actually a generalization, as true Futanari means having both a penis and a vagina) is just another fetish, one of the more harmless ones, imo.
As for it's appeal to both heterosexual men and women, some explanations lean towards the fact that, in the case of a male futanari fetishist, the penis is familiar as a sexual organ, and therefore less threatening than the vagina. For them, Futa girls simply combine the fantasy of masturbation and a female partner who you know how to bring to orgasm; involving nothing more or less what you're already engaged in. For the female futanarist(?), it combines the ability to have actual penetrative sex with another girl, thus bypassing all the emotional baggage involed with male/female sexual politics, along with a sexual partner with a similar (ie. female) emotional psyche. Hooray!
Support your local library, friends.
What I find personally about futanari is that it eliminates the middleman as it were. It's like watching a fantasized strap on pornography. When your watching straight guy-on-girl pornography, it's all fun, but there is this guy there, and he isn't exactly adding to the enjoyment, unless you are into guys as well. With futanari, the guy is replaced by a woman just as a beautiful as the one on the other side of the bed. And what makes it even better, is that unlike a strap on, the closest real world equivalent, is that there can be a male orgasm. How does this differ from shemales? Quite simply, unless you are a very lucky 'woman' your not going to be as hot as a genuine girl female. There is also the appeal of drawn porn, in that things can be as ludicrous as you like. Dicks can be 20 inches long, and breasts could put prize winning pumpkins to shame. It is just as much a fantasy as the idea of "Why yes, doctor, I will strip for the examination, and then I will sleep with you, because I am a nymphomaniac", and "Why doctor, we only were at it for 10 seconds, yet I have already achieved orgasm 3 times."
If you squirt you are "lucky woman"? I don' t get it... ???
Quote from: Nacho on Tue 02/09/2008 21:36:31
If you squirt you are "lucky woman"? I don' t get it... ???
What I mean is, most biological men who get sexual reassignement surgery, still wouldn't and don't look very attractive.
Ah! Thanks! Missunderstood.
Yeah, I can see side of it too. Since the shot of the male participant in a porno ejaculating is usually considered the visual signal, subconscious or otherwise, for the viewer to also, er, finish up, that signal is missing from, as lo_res_man has pointed out, a coupling of two females (strap-on optional). Yet Futa gives the viewer both.
Learning is fun! :D
Quote from: LimpingFish on Tue 02/09/2008 21:59:41
Learning is fun! :D
"And knowing is half the battle!" :D
Quote from: lo_res_man on Tue 02/09/2008 22:38:59
"And knowing is half the battle!" :D
"G I Joe!"
Thanks for the explanations on the futanari thing. I think I understand what you and limping fish are getting at. I guess I just prefer my ladies with the factory standard parts. Call me old fashioned.
Thanks also for that link to the Futurama clip. I had forgotten how funny that show was. Also, very true I suspect. I know if I were to ever get my hands on a Bettie Page Bot or a Pam Grier Bot I would never make it to work again. If I managed to get my hands on
both of those robots, I suspect they would find me dead of starvation*, tangled up in a pile with my robots.
- Ponch
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* Or extreme dehydration ;)
Quote from: Ghost on Tue 02/09/2008 07:32:56
Quote from: Ponch on Tue 02/09/2008 07:03:10
Now that S/M is becoming mainstream, what's the next taboo?
Robert A. Heinlein answers this in a short story, the name of which has slipped my mind. In that story a guy time-travels into a future where all sexual perversions are so normal that, desperate for a freak minority, people who quitely sit in restaurants to have dinner are hunted down with torches and pitchforks by angry mobs.
If it were Starbuck's clienteel, I'd totally understand that.
Ahahahahahhaha
Reading Heinlein is a really bizarre experience for me, because I really enjoy his books, but I don't think I've ever agreed with anything of his that I've read.
Well, this thread has certainly been... enlightening.
I personally can't see any of the big stuff, like paedophilia or bestiality, ever being socially acceptable.
But then again, they probably said that about interracial sex a hundred years ago, and now an asian fetish* is possibly the most common thing in the world, next to foot fetishes.
The robo-fetish stuff does bring up certain questions, though.
One could argue that, until robots reach a certain level of intelligence, they are merely objects, like sex toys.
Therefore consent is not an issue, and will not become an issue until AI tech has advanced to a point where they can consider all the moral and social implications of their actions to a degree large enough that they can be held responsible for their own decisions.
But then, is that not the point behind paedophilia and bestiality being illegal, that the subject is not morally or emotionally developed enough to give informed consent?
* I don't like using that term. How come, if you like black girls or white girls or indian girls or whatever, it's just a preference, but if you like asian girls, it's a fetish? Nevertheless, I'm not sure how else to describe it within contexts such as these.
Quote from: Ultra Magnus on Wed 03/09/2008 09:36:22
Well, this thread has certainly been... enlightening.
I personally can't see any of the big stuff, like paedophilia or bestiality, ever being socially acceptable.
But then again, they probably said that about interracial sex a hundred years ago, and now an asian fetish* is possibly the most common thing in the world, next to foot fetishes.
The robo-fetish stuff does bring up certain questions, though.
One could argue that, until robots reach a certain level of intelligence, they are merely objects, like sex toys.
Therefore consent is not an issue, and will not become an issue until AI tech has advanced to a point where they can consider all the moral and social implications of their actions to a degree large enough that they can be held responsible for their own decisions.
But then, is that not the point behind paedophilia and bestiality being illegal, that the subject is not morally or emotionally developed enough to give informed consent?
* I don't like using that term. How come, if you like black girls or white girls or indian girls or whatever, it's just a preference, but if you like asian girls, it's a fetish? Nevertheless, I'm not sure how else to describe it within contexts such as these.
Pedophilia in the form of pederasty was actually socially acceptable and normal in ancient Greece, so it hasn't always been taboo, but I highly doubt that it will ever be acceptable in our society ever again, because we now have the capacity to recognize that it causes lasting psychological harm in addition to the consent issue.
As for "asian fetishes," here in Vancouver, where asians make up at least 40 or 50% of the population, I've never heard that term used; it's just a preference, just the same as any other race. If you're making fun of someone, you might say that they have "The Feve," because it doesn't sound as racist as "Yellow Fever."
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It's nice to discuss open-minded. On deviantart, we had this thing going around for a while ;)
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(I hasten to add that this is not my artwork!)
I like that a lot. :)
Jolly Jack! Yay! (http://www.collectedcurios.com/) :D
Quote from: Makeout Patrol on Wed 03/09/2008 17:07:32
Pedophilia in the form of pederasty was actually socially acceptable and normal in ancient Greece, so it hasn't always been taboo, but I highly doubt that it will ever be acceptable in our society ever again, because we now have the capacity to recognize that it causes lasting psychological harm in addition to the consent issue.
Well, I'm pretty sure that BDSM can also cause a psychological trauma.
A bit off-topic, but how do you call it when a child rapes an adult? Anti-pedophilia?
I think it is like the military, the higher ranking member (in this case age), is assumed to be the instigator. There is actually a difference between pedophilia for younger then puberty pedophilia, and oder then puberty pediophilia, as in jailbait. Personally, I think the laws should be slightly different in the latter case.
Quote from: Lionmonkey on Thu 04/09/2008 21:55:57
Quote from: Makeout Patrol on Wed 03/09/2008 17:07:32
Pedophilia in the form of pederasty was actually socially acceptable and normal in ancient Greece, so it hasn't always been taboo, but I highly doubt that it will ever be acceptable in our society ever again, because we now have the capacity to recognize that it causes lasting psychological harm in addition to the consent issue.
Well, I'm pretty sure that BDSM can also cause a psychological trauma.
A bit off-topic, but how do you call it when a child rapes an adult? Anti-pedophilia?
If it's causing psychological trauma, it's not consentual, which makes it just "rape," so you could pretty much say the same thing for lights-off-missionary-position-saturday-nights-only.
I'd call it "rape," but the situation would have to be well and truly fucked for that to even possibly happen.
Quote from: lionmonkeyA bit off-topic, but how do you call it when a child rapes an adult? Anti-pedophilia?
Ooh, hang on, I now this one... it's 'really badly written erotic fiction', is it not?
Apparently the obscure teleiophilia could apply, as they seem to be termed by age brackets and 'teleiophilia' is a preference for adult partners - a phrase that actually doesn't serve much purpose in any other use. But... a quick perusal suggests that there doesn't really seem to be a word invented for that yet. Surprising, huh?