A while ago, I read anÃ, article (http://www.lionofzion.com/faq/78da334a040000c70094/Bob+Marley.html/)stating that Bob Marley became a Christian a few months before he died. I was curious as to whether or not this was a rumour, since the site I read it on is not a well known site. I think it would be interesting and enlightening to hear some other opinions on this, and get some good discussion going.Ã, :)
Oops! Can a moderator please delete the post below this one (the one with the same subject)? I accidentally posted twice. ::) Thanks! ;)
This seems like an extremely interesting and possibly enlightening topic.
Therefore I should probably avoid it...
Did I say that out loud?
;)
No, you replied to a message board thread on the internet, adding nothing of value besides an brief glimpse in the mind of the MAD HATTER
I don't think you can believe that in 100%. The reason is the poeple who "testified" that are priests, and it's their huge interest to say that the most popular man ever in jamaica and a lot of caribbean and african countries became christian, hoping to convert rastafaris to christianity. It's a very comfrotable scam to convert people, and you know religious leader of all religions would lie about everything to get people to convert or become religious.
However even if it is the truth, it doesn't really say anything, because most people who are about to die and know it, all of a sudden turn religious because they think "hey maybe that will save me", so it is possible a man of one religion would convert to another on his deathbed in a thought that maybe it would save him. But if he lived all his life believing in rastafari than that's what he believed in period, no matter what he thought when he was about to die.
If you knew the ratafari religion you would know it has nothing to do with christianity. The rastafara believe they are the descendats of Queen Sheba (Sheba - today's Ethiopia) who had a child with King Solomon hence they see themselves as jews descendats (although judaism recognizes jews by their mom and not their dad), the basic twist to judaism is that Ras Tafari Makonnen, crowned King Haile Selassie I, who was king of ethiopia in 1930-1974 is actually the messiah and incarnation of god in their belief and is called Jah (which is a literal reading of the name of god in the bible). It sits well with the bible because the bible says the messsiah will be the son of David, while Jesus is the son of Joseph, and Selassie is freom the lineage of the son of Solomon (son of David). Therefore the rastafara are currently not in their holy land Zion which in their belief is no longer Jerusalem and Israel but Ethiopia and the other non-rastafari countries people are Babylon. In their beliefe salvation will come when King Selasi would come back and babylon would be no more, only Zion,ratafari will be the only religion. Which is exactly the jewish faith of the end of the days, only jews believe it to be in israel and rastafari believe it to be in ethiopia. Nothing even remotely close to christianity.
So even if he did convert, which personally I won't believe cos it's too convient as stated above, to convert his beliefs so radically when about to die just shows it would have been done from being desprate also as explained above.
where's the wrongdoer thing come from?
It's true, he even re-recorded his famous song as "I'm going to be chrome like a Leopon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopon) in Rome..."
Quote from: Nostradamus on Mon 31/07/2006 08:42:04
I don't think you can believe that in 100%. The reason is the poeple who "testified" that are priests, and it's their huge interest to say that the most popular man ever in jamaica and a lot of caribbean and african countries became christian, hoping to convert rastafaris to christianity. It's a very comfrotable scam to convert people, and you know religious leader of all religions would lie about everything to get people to convert or become religious.
However even if it is the truth, it doesn't really say anything, because most people who are about to die and know it, all of a sudden turn religious because they think "hey maybe that will save me", so it is possible a man of one religion would convert to another on his deathbed in a thought that maybe it would save him. But if he lived all his life believing in rastafari than that's what he believed in period, no matter what he thought when he was about to die.
If you knew the ratafari religion you would know it has nothing to do with christianity. The rastafara believe they are the descendats of Queen Sheba (Sheba - today's Ethiopia) who had a child with King Solomon hence they see themselves as jews descendats (although judaism recognizes jews by their mom and not their dad), the basic twist to judaism is thatÃ, Ras Tafari Makonnen, crowned King Haile Selassie I, who was king of ethiopia in 1930-1974 is actually the messiah and incarnation of god in their belief and is called Jah (which is a literal reading of the name of god in the bible). It sits well with the bible because the bible says the messsiah will be the son of David, while Jesus is the son of Joseph, and Selassie is freom the lineage of the son of Solomon (son of David). Therefore the rastafara are currently not in their holy land Zion which in their belief is no longer Jerusalem and Israel but Ethiopia and the other non-rastafari countries people are Babylon. In their beliefe salvation will come when King Selasi would come back and babylon would be no more, only Zion,ratafari will be the only religion. Which is exactly the jewish faith of the end of the days, only jews believe it to be in israel and rastafari believe it to be in ethiopia. Nothing even remotely close to christianity.
So even if he did convert, which personally I won't believe cos it's too convient as stated above, to convert his beliefs so radically when about to die just shows it would have been done from being desprate also as explained above.
The people who said that aren't 'priests', per se. They are Christian reggae artists. Another interesting twist: a while ago I also wiki-ed Bob Marley and a short sentence at the end of the article. said that he WAS baptized into the Orthodox church. I find rastas ironic since haile selassie was a christian, but they're worshipping him. It just doesn't seem natural.
but jesus was a jew and all the CHRISTIANS worship him
Jesus was a Jew, but he didn't follow Judaism. If you truly knew your bible, you'd see that He totally schools ;D the Pharisees, who were the equivalent of the Judaists of today.
i read the ending... there's not going to be a sequel is there...
:'(
What are you talking about???
Return Of The Jedi.
QuoteIf you truly knew your bible, you'd see that He totally schools the Pharisees, who were the equivalent of the Judaists of today.
Quote from: Hammerite on Mon 31/07/2006 18:25:39
i read the ending... there's not going to be a sequel is there...
:'(
The Bible 2??
But,
To contribute to the conversation: I doubt he was a Christian, even on his deathbed. After all, he was someone who preached for a completely different religion. Why would he suddenly decide that everything he'd preached and told was no longer worth something, and switch to a religion he'd never believe in before.
Yeah, Hammerite's always talking gibberish.Ã, ;)
On a more serious note, I think it's possible that Marley could have become a Christian before he died. After all, Selassie told the world that Jesus was Christ and told people not to worship him (no, I don't mean God, I mean Selassie). And I'm not saying he became one right on his deathbed, from what I've heard, he converted about 7 months before his death.
Passion of The Christ 2: CRUCIFY THIS!!
That wouldve been an awesome movie, why did Peter Griffin have to bury it in the desert?
Religion is thing some people turn to, because they want to go to heaven, even if it doesn't exist. We all know there is no God, Heaven and Hell and still we want it to be real. God is like Santa for adults, only good guys get Heaven for a present. People need that kind of thing. I'm sure Bob Marley wanted to someplace nice when he dies.
first of all Jesus was a jew and didn't ,eam per say to create a new religion, but to change or modernize (for that time) judaism. It's only after he died that people created christianity.
The Pharisees are NOT today's jews wtf?, today's jews are the descendets of the jews from the bible, aka the hebrew people or the Bnei Israel.
And while several possible sources that say marley became christian before dying and their interests in it, well obviouls yif he was just anothe rjoe no one would talk about it so even if you're a christian reggae artist who stands against the rastafari beliefs its still in his best interest to say that he converted so more rastafari will.
But since most assume it's true I will also assume it's true and he has converted to christianity. Still all of you agree with me that he did out of desparation before dying trying to save himself. So if you are rastafrari who thinks of converting to christianity because marley did, that shouldn't be the reason.
Quote from: Nostradamus on Tue 01/08/2006 09:33:22
The Pharisees are NOT today's jews wtf?
Actyually, I think he may have got this right by accident:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees)
Quote from: Wikipedia
After the destruction of the Second Temple, the Pharisaic sect was re-established as Rabbinic Judaism â€" which ultimately produced normative, traditional Judaism, the basis for all contemporary forms of Judaism, with the possible exception of the Karaites.
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Quote from: Krysis on Tue 01/08/2006 07:53:37
God is like Santa for adults, only good guys get Heaven for a present.
That's not what Christians believe. Christians know they are not good enough, which is why Jesus needed to die for their sins...
Quote from: Nostradamus on Tue 01/08/2006 09:33:22
Still all of you agree with me that he did out of desparation before dying trying to save himself. So if you are rastafrari who thinks of converting to christianity because marley did, that shouldn't be the reason.
If he was desperate to save himself, surely he would then go the religion he thought most likely to be true. Thus Marley being desperate actually stengthens the cause of Christianity over Rasta. And I don't know why you think "all of you agree with me".
Nostradamus reads my mind...
SSH, ok, Santa is nicer. Seems Jesus thinks you are allways a bad boy.
And God made people, right? So what was his... erm... son(?) bitchin' about 2006 years ago? It was his daddy's fault for making us human. All the Bible crap doesn't make sence anyway...
You'd prefer it God had made people obedient robots? Like those Iraqi elections where Saddam used to get 100% of the vote, it would be worthless being good if there was no choice.
Doesn't make sense in what way?
This topic is weird. "Rastafarian Wrongdoer"? "Confessing Christian"? It sounds like the headline of some cheesy newspaper. I don't see how this could turn into a discussion. He was very prominently Rastafarian. He made songs about it. Some were great. He died. Maybe (or Maybe not) he turned Christian near the end. How does it affect anything? A person would be pretty weak in the force if he went from being a Rastafarian to being a Christian just because Bob Marley did the same.
Oh yeah, and BTW:
Saddam is Santa Claus!
The Pharisees of today are the Corporations!
Bob Marley was a Timelord!
The world is on the back of the Giant Turtle!
Nostradamus is once again posting outside the Hints 'n Tips!
Pharisees and Jews:
The Pharisees thought they had to follow eons of laws to get to heaven, some as silly as not opening your door for a beggar unless he had walked a certain amount of miles. Christ taught that you should love your neighbor and love God with all your heart, soul, strength and mind, and if you kept that, then you would be able to keep the law.
Nostradamus:
Most of us don't agree with you.
Regarding Krysis' post about religion being false:
That's just your excuse cuz your an atheist! := The Bible would make sense to you if you actually read it!
The topic:
Bob Marley wouldn't have done it out of desperation if he did it seven months before he died.
Quote from: SSH on Tue 01/08/2006 16:23:55
You'd prefer it God had made people obedient robots?
Which he really says is that God didn't made us... I agree.
QuoteNostradamus is once again posting outside the Hints 'n Tips!
yeah well I kinda stopped posting regularly after most of the people who I knew here in the forum in 2001 left\stop posting. Guys like Helm, Captain Mostly, Monkeyspank, Rodekill, Phil Reed... and threads got kinda repetitive. and then I didn't have much time to post anyway. But now I have more time again so I get involved again.
Quote from: yodaman11111 on Tue 01/08/2006 17:28:57
Nostradamus:
Most of us don't agree with you.
At the time I posted that most people who replyd agreed that it was out of desparation. At that time.
Quote from: yodaman11111 on Tue 01/08/2006 17:28:57
The topic:
Bob Marley wouldn't have done it out of desperation if he did it seven months before he died.
Bob Marley was diagnosed with cancer at July 1977 and ended up dying from it at May 1981. Which means he was suffering from cancer for almost 4 years. He knew he had it and he knew he was gonna die from it. After suffering from cancer for 3 years and 3 months praying for Jah and Selassie and it didn't help, it's prefectly reasonable that out of despration he turned christian due to the fact that he has been suffering from cancer for over 3 years and parying to Jah didn't help.
i find it just typical of humans to assume that because jesus did good that he MUST be god's son, we just cant accept that some people are nice. imo, saying jesus is god's son is just disrespectful to jesus (not that there definately isnt a god who is cool and stuff, there may be, i dont know)