There's gotta' be a flaw here!

PsychicHeart · Wed 30/08/2006 08:31:57

So i'm considering buying some hosting, and i stumbled upon this little site.

http://www.jumba.com.au/content/personal/us-plans-pricing.php

Now, i'm considering buying the US-P2 package.
So i'm thinking, that's $30 Australian. To you Americans/Englanders that's about $23 and 12 pounds respectively.

800MB of disk space sounds sweet.
8GB of data transfer sounds sweet.
Unlimited Subdomains sounds sweet.
Free setup sounds sweet.

Now call me a Doubter, but i just know there's some sort of flaw.
Theory 1: It's a scamola.
Theory 2: There's some hidden flaw that my n00bz0rz does not see.
Anyone want to quench my fears?
Cheers,
Fluke.

Toefur · Wed 30/08/2006 10:28:39

Well, it's not a an extremely outrageously over-the-top plan, so it seems definately legit. Professional page. A Whois search doesn't reveal any details like when the domain was registered, so we can't figure out how long they have been around for.

A search for 'jumba' at webhostingtalk.com only comes up with one thread, with a post from a user from this month saying they like them as a host.

I found this thread at Whirlpool: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/490721.html and this thread: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=582113 and this one: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=579645 and quite a few other threads if you look through the hosting forum at Whirlpool.

I would say that they are a fairly newish company, but from the looks of it definately not a scam or anything like that. Their forums (http://forums.jumba.com.au) are also quite active, which suggests they have at least a sizable amount of customers.

Oh, and I think the US P2 package would be about $39 AU actually.

Alynn · Wed 30/08/2006 13:09:46

Excess Data: $5.50 per GB is charged once you go over your data limit.

If you don't think you will ever go over your 8GB limit also

3. Data transfer is counted for inbound and outbound data.

That's 8GB of total traffic, both incoming and outgoing...

I'm looking, but it seems odd that the prices are given per year, which almost makes me think that those quota's are per year as well, and I can't find anything that clearifies that that is 8GB of traffic a month, or per the entire year...

If you plan on using it for hosting your games for download 8GB can and will go quick, especially on initial release. For example, I currently don't have any games on my website, and I've used 300MB of bandwith or an average of 3.5GB a year, a single 20MB game Downloaded an average of 10 times a month is another 2.5GB (thereabouts) a year, and that's only 20MB...

so if I were you I'd figure out if that 8GB is per year or per month before I'd make a decision.

Nikolas · Wed 30/08/2006 13:26:41

Alynn is right. There is nothing to let us know if it's monthly or yearly! 8 Gb a year is too little! I, who of course use a lot of mp3s..., am having a trafic of around 2-2.5 Gb per month. Depends on what you want to do with the site really.

Alynn · Wed 30/08/2006 13:48:43

Quick note on bandwith usage in case you were unaware...

Depending on the protocols used downloading a 20MB file uses more than 20MB of bandwith... at the lowest a 20MB file download will actually download about 25MB from your webhost (about 25% overhead). More information on parity and over head check out this

Framing is better overall, but no matter how they are sent, you are using more bandwith than the origional file size would suggest...

voh · Wed 30/08/2006 13:49:06

Actually, to be precise, I find that host to be expensive.

The host I use has a tiny plan (tiny as in, compared to their other plans) which costs 9.95 USD a month. Not yearly. So it's cheaper, right? And I mentioned it's tiny?

This is what their "baby" plan has:

5Gb diskspace
75Gb bandwidth
Unlimited subdomains
Free setup

And I've been with this host for 2 years now, and I'm terribly content with them. Why do you think scam with that host at all? It really isn't cheap, not at all Ã,Â

Alynn · Wed 30/08/2006 14:00:53

23 bucks a year comes out to like $1.92 USD a month... how is that more expensive than 9 bucks a month?

Unless you are comparing what he may get with 2 bucks a month compared to what you get with 9 bucks a month.

Oh and about the subdomains, that really isn't a big deal, most plans offer that...

tom.yoururl.com
bob.yoururl.com
games.yoururl.com

For the most part, it's not used all that much, unless you prefer using bleh.something.com instead of www.something.com/bleh

voh · Wed 30/08/2006 14:31:23

Price per 100 MB of diskspace: 0.24 USD (jumba) / 0.20 USD (reference)
Price per 1 GB of bandwidth: 0.24 USD (jumba) / 0.13 USD (reference)

Diskspace calculation and bandwidth are to be seen seperate, as I don't feel like going into the math for making it relative to one another. You get more bang for your buck. Therefore it's cheaper considering what you get for it. It's a relative kind of cheaper, not absolute.

If you had the option between paying 150 USD for 1/8th of a laptop, or pay 500 for an entire laptop. Which of the two options would be financially more viable?

I was merely trying to show that there's no reason to assume that Jumba is scamilicious, since their prices are far from cutthroat piratey prices

(PS: personal note, I use, at the moment, 47 subdomains)

and because I'm terribly bored at work, here's some more random stuff

jumba prices with reference plan
based on diskspace: $12,00/m
based on bandwidth: $18,00/m

reference prices with jumba plan
based on diskspace: $1,60/m
based on bandwidth: $1,04/m

SSH · Wed 30/08/2006 14:48:33

Well, if you only have $200 to spend on a laptop, voh, then 1/8 of it is more financially viable. Remember that Blake is only a schoolkid and is unlikely to have lots of money.

voh · Wed 30/08/2006 15:04:19

Quote from: voh on Wed 30/08/2006 14:31:23
I was merely trying to show that there's no reason to assume that Jumba is scamilicious, since their prices are far from cutthroat piratey prices

That's what I meant to show fluke.

The rest was just to answer Alynn

monkey0506 · Wed 30/08/2006 16:04:37

I use 110mb.com. It's free. Gives me hosting for php and for my domain.

2000 MB diskspace (~1.95 GB)
10 GB monthly bandwith
Free PHP, ASP, CGI, Perl, and Python
Free FTP
No ads!

And more...

And it's 100% free. 100% legit. Works for me...

[EDIT:]

Currently you can only have one subdomain with 110mb, but that should be changing soon.

Toefur · Wed 30/08/2006 16:05:34

I wouldn't say this host is expensive. This is really cheap (unless quality isn't an issue). I would say the 8gig is per month. And the host is definately overselling.

PsychicHeart · Wed 30/08/2006 22:27:37

1)I was actually planning on using it for my W40K fansite, posting pics of my models, guides etc, probably in .gif form. So, even if the 8GB is yearly, i really don't think it'll be a problem.

2)Incoming and outgoing data? What's that mean? I envy your encyclopedic knowledge!

3)I'll send an email today asking about the 8GB Month/Year situation.

Ciao.
Fluke.

PsychicHeart · Wed 30/08/2006 23:23:50

Well I did some more lurking and found this
http://www.3ix.org/web_hosting_australia.php
Anything hidden there?
I can't see anything but perhaps i'm missing something.

Alynn · Thu 31/08/2006 07:57:56

All data by either upload and download, actually transfers data in both directions...

Generally speaking it works like this if comp1 is sending to comp2
comp1: here is some of the data
comp2: I got it
comp1: Ok, here is some more
comp2: I got that too
comp1: third piece
comp2: I didn't get it
comp1: oh... here is the third piece again
comp2: got it that time...

This isn't the same for pure FTP, which doesn't check if the data being sent is good, so it just sends the whole thing over.

Which also means any and all things you upload will take up your bandwith limit as well. So not only any traffic that comes and looks at your site takes up bandwith, anything you upload to your site (such as a new picture) will also take up bandwith.

And basically we are talking about networks, and computer stuff, which is what I do.. so not so much encyclopedic, more of we have entered my area of expertise.

The second website looks more like most "good" webhosting sites I've seen... it looks featurefull, and offers quite a bit of varity... I noticed that all the plans save the cheapest one have unlimited bandwith... so in case your site becomes super popular (which can happen) you don't have to worry about all those people absorbing all your bandwith.

Tons of email accounts... Plenty of mySQL databases (so you can run your own forums or wordpress, or other web programs that require a mySQL database)

And it has a guarentee...

Now with all that said, you don't want to be overhosted... and what I mean by that is have more features than you actually need... If you don't use most of the features, then why are you paying for the features? 20 mySQL databases. I have 5 mysql databases, and I purposesly put my 2 forums each on their seperate database (by properly naming your tables you can run more than 1 of the same type of forum easily in one database). One for my wordpress, and 1 for my games database. I have one free mySQL database now... which I don't know if I'll ever use...

But for what you are describing 800MB may be all you need. I have 20000MB for my site, but mine will eventually hold all my games (if I ever complete one

) and part of that 20000 is logfiles, and all my mailboxes that I have...

Just things for you to think about, there is more to having a website than just putting up some pictures and pages, especially if you decide to expand the site in any way.

voh · Thu 31/08/2006 16:49:33

If you're not hosting others, 1 MySQL database should even be enough. Most popular (and recent) PHP webapplications (as well as perl/cgi/c) support setting a database prefix, so that you can run 40 scripts on the same database without one fucking the other over.

Since I DO host other people's sites, my main account (also counting all domains/subdomains, whatever) has 67 databases, a grand total of 125 subdomains (of which about 45 are of my own making), 56 ftp accounts, 34 POP addresses and a LOT of diskspace and bandwidth used (I use about 40g of 75 every month).

Most websites I host are personal weblogs and/or resource sites. The average bandwidth for those sites used per month is 750MB. Average disk space is 15 MB. So think of that when you get a hosting package - getting lots of space might be wise, but you can always upgrade (or downgrade) when the need is there.

Don't pay for more than you need

PsychicHeart · Thu 31/08/2006 23:08:30

Well, i think i'm gonna go with the "Excite"(the cheapest) plan on the second one, mainly because of it's price and also 'cos of the stuff included.
I'm not certain if 100MB is going to be enough, but i'm pretty certain the 8GB bandwitdth is gonna be just fine, seeing as i don't expect a colossal amount of viewers.