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Christopher Reeve has died age 52.
And speaking of actors who died this week...
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Janet Leigh died recently too.
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Eeeer... Eric, why have you moved this from CL???
J/K, sorry for posting it a not appropiate place, the problems of having 5 windows opened, hehehe....
but ... but... who will fight crime? well, all the other super heroes but superman! D:
Quote from: Privateer Puddin' on Mon 11/10/2004 12:27:46
but ... but... who will fight crime? well, all the other super heroes but superman! D:
Michael Keaton is still in good shape!
Man, too many celebrity deaths lately. More so than usual. R.I.P., both Rodney and Christopher.
There is a quote in Hollywood... "When one of us die, many others follow soon".
It appears to be correct again.Ã, :P
Well... many other people dies... but... but... they were not Superman...Ã, :'(
What about George Reeves?
And what about Dean Cain?
Okay, Dean Cain isn't dead yet. But his career is!
huh.
... and he was just mentioned in Friday's USA Presidential Debate on the whole stem cell research issue.
It was the Bloody Kryponite that got 'im wasn't it?!
'tis a pity.
Man. That guy was awesome.
This one hurts.
On the top of my 'Things I REALLY REALLY want to see' list, was Chris Reeves walking again.
If anybody could have done it, it would have been Superman.
So long Mr. Reeves ...
Also, so long Mr. Dangerfield, may you find the respect in heaven you just couldn't get here on earth.
A fond farewell to Miss Janet Leigh, I knew her not well.
Ah, shite - Reeves is dead?
That feels really wierd for me, in a way -Ã, Not because I was a huge fan or anything like that, but just because for me, he represented that glimpse of hope that showed that you can do anything if you really want it. It always felt like he would never, ever give up. I agree with Darth - I would have loved to see him up and walking again. Too bad fate wanted otherwise.
Rest in peace - All of you.
Quote from: Privateer Puddin' on Mon 11/10/2004 12:27:46
but ... but... who will fight crime? well, all the other super heroes but superman! D:
i guess batman no, ... all the batmans are going to fight to know how is the "real" batman .... robin ?, no he is gay (everyone says that), hulk ? ... i don`t think so, ... so who '?? .... arthur yahtzee and rob blank !!
Anyway, a real reply rather than the one from earlier.
I was greatly shocked, and rather upset when i read the news this morning. I too had really hoped he got his wish of one day walking again. I wonder just how close he was.
I know you guys think im full of crap, but my friend is Chris reeve's cousin. I sent him this thread. He isnt related by blood, only his aunt's marriage. His name is Mcnally Lee. I dont no, but maybe you could link that name to chris reeves. I dunno.
wow. i love you for your oh-so-cool-friends.
anyways. it's a pity reeve failed that. i really looked forward to seeing him standing again. what a tough guy.
looks like a name makes the man..
The news of his passing came to me as shocking as well.Ã, I always thought that someday he'd be up and walking again and doing movies.Ã, I really had faith in him, and it is so unfortunate to hear such rotten news.
In my mind he will always be Superman, and even after his accident, still proved to me that Superman did exist.
I'll miss him very much.Ã, :'(
Shawn
Quote from: poop743 on Mon 11/10/2004 22:59:15
I know you guys think I'm full of crap
LMAO!
Never was into superman but Its depressing to hear about it.
http://www.maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=creeve
Maddox doesn't seem very depressed.
I was wondering when someone would bring that up. I thought about it, but just decided it would be best not to.
His death is indeed a sorry thing, but I, for one, mostly agree with Maddox, at least on the essentials. I mean, many MANY more people die of this disease, maybe every day, and Christopher Reeve gets especially picked out because of the irony of his most famous character. I mean, even some well known actors and artists die in obscurity. I only found out one week later that Elia Kazaa (sp?) had died!
Which isn't to say it isn't a shame that his hope didn't get rewarded in the end. It is, and I wish everyone can have that hope and that strength. Let's just not forget he's not the only person in that condition, and only became their "spokesman" for an accident. And it's a spokesman most of them don't really care for. Here's a quote:
"If I could walk for 5 minutes, I'd waste 4 and half of them kicking Christopher Reeve's ass." -Jeremy Plante, wheelchair stricken due to neuromuscular disorder
Yes... When the case of a famous person who has gained some admiration became popular by some reason, there's allways a moron saying that that's not so admirable, because many people suffers in such way.
But what this people do not realise is that when we choose Reeve, Armstrong, J. Fox and such people as an example whay we're doing is just taking them as items against the disease, and what we're doing is taking conscience of the disease of ALL the ill people in such a situation. Feeling sad for famous people in problems is natural, and for the public realising how this diseases affect people is good.
This Maddox is a moron. His main stalement is that this famous people just care of diseases after suffering them. I will preffer a milion times a famous guy who takes conscience of the disease after suffering it than an idiot with a rotten attitude who just keeps a shitty webpage making fun about them.
EDIT: Missunderstood alarm! This is not aimed to RedruM, I think that his post shows that he's sensitive enough for feeling sorrow for ALL the ill people, not just the famous one, while Maddox, the morow who wrote the article Shbaz pointed, appears to be the moron who just doesn't care for anyone, not even the famous. RedruM and maddox tell things that are completely different.
Attacking Maddox's credibility doesn't disprove his comments on Christopher Reeve, though.
Keep in mind I'm not defending everything Maddox says. His ramblings are very extreme and I wouldn't agree to the extent of his comments a lot of the time (for example, he calls Reeve selfish, where as I wouldn't call him selfish. Selfish would be for Reeve to say "I want research into my injury and my inury alone. Screw all the other quads!"). However, I do understand the point he's trying to make. While there are people like Reeve who support research into the paralysis that they have, which is a noble cause, there are many other celebrities that are involved in causes without self-serving interests, which seems more noble.
For example, I admire Paul Newman for his charitiy work. His Newman's Own range of pasta sauces and salad dressings has generated donations of $150 million to charities since 1982 (http://www.newmansown.com/125million.htm). All the after-tax profits are donated so there's nothing self-serving involved as Newman doesn't (as the website claims) keep any of the money. I haven't heard of any info that proves contrary, but if anyone does have proof that Newman's charity work is self-serving, I'm open to it.
Now, I'll make it clear, this example of Newman doesn't prove Reeve is an arsehole (It's not my intention to prove Reeve is an arsehole, because I didn't think he was). And Newman is only a small example -- I'm sure there are plenty others of charitible celebs without self-serving interests people could name. However, it does substantiate Maddox's point that some celebrity charities are self-serving. For example, Maddox says:
"The fact that he's helping thousands of people as he helps himself is a side effect of his cure; not necessarily his intention. I have little doubt that Mr. Reeve would work as hard to find a cure for paralysis if he was one of only a hand full of victims, so I don't think he deserves praise for this "good deed," because if it was intentional on his part to help these people, he probably would have had a paralysis foundation before the accident occurred."
Now if I was Reeve or had the resoures that Reeve had, I'd probably do the same things he did, such as donating to paralysis charities. In fact, I think most people would. I wouldn't call it selfish, but it was a self-serving interest (one with some concern for others in a similar condition). Meanwhile, my example of Newman acts in juxatposition to Reeve. Newman is someone donating to charity without self-serving interest. And that's the main difference between people like Reeve and people like Newman -- Reeve's interest is self-serving. And that's basically what I think of Maddox's claim (although Maddox does present it in his usual over-the-top, insensitive, and generalistic manner; keep in mind though he is a satirical commentator and nothing he says should be read with a great deal of seriousness. I take the view that the man makes a good point from time to time and writes in a funny manner).
That's why I see some elements of truth to what Maddox is saying. I don't think calling him a moron or saying he has a rotten attitude or shitty web design actually disproves his point of view. He may be insensitive, but his points of view still have some truth in them (in my opinion).
Regardless of Maddox's comments, Reeve's passing is still sad, just like the many celebs that have died in the last few weeks.
EDIT: And the many non-celebs that have died too.
Sad news indeed. I have fond memories of Superman from my childhood. Ironic how he started to look more and more like Lex Luthor tho...
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Yoke, that's probably the best thing I've heard anyone say about Reeve's death.
I agree 99% with you. There is extremelly pure people who donates money or start cruzades for charity without having suffered a shock like Reeve, Armstrong or J. Fox (for giving some examples) did.
I admire them a lot, more than any other kind of people, because, while I donate little amounts of money to LAF (Lance Armstrong Foundation, http://www.laf.org) I am not really involved in charity. In adittion, I wouldn't be involved, not even this little I am now, without Lance's inspirational fight and for having some relatives with Cancer... So... To resume...I would have been like Mr. Reeve before his accident... A person who doesn't care.
But thanks to this people we finally care. And making webpages which in essence say "all people suffer, not just this famous" doesn't help a lot, specially if it's made with such a tasteless lenguaje and with an undeniable objective to hurt people who thanks to them cares.
I repeat... I agree with Redrum and DG, and with the "spirit" of Maddox article, but not with the forms he introduces it. Many people doesn't care, maybe 90% of us, but when someone is finally forced to fight against something we do, and it's difficult. And making articles of opinion saying this all people such makes me put him in the category of moron, with a rotten attitude with a shitty webpage. Ã, :)
On the other hand... even thinking that we should have done the same, being in the same situation and having the same resources... we can't really know, because we haven't been in such situations! Ã, ??? So... I must leave a percentage of "?", when facing to this people, and before assuming I would do the same. I probably would, but... who knows.
Edit: Shit... My English is going worse... :P