Just your average conspiration theory thread.
Harmless Section - things found in WikipediaMagic Works (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_Magic)
You have more than two intelligence services (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nsa)
ECHELON (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON)
Think about this...* George Bush owned an oil company.
* Big companies pay both the Republicans
and the Democrats money.
* The Skipjack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skipjack_%28cipher%29#Cryptanalysis) Encryption Algorithm was designed by an American Intelligence Service.
-> They earn their money via cracking codes.
Stop using Google.* Nearly all searches today are routed over Google.
Information Control* Normally people don't bother with any results after page 2.
* The Google company decides in which order the results are displayed.
* In fact, they can even decide whether a site is skipped by the search.
This should ring a bell.
Total observation* Your search submission does not get encrypted.
* Your IP gets logged.
* Looking up the location of an IP is as easy as eating pie.
* Nearly all Intelligence Services employ Hackers.
* Why should Google bother with making a simple search server a digital fortress?
AND
* The Google bosses are humans.
* Humans like money.
* Intelligence Services have money.
Microsoft is evil - even more so than usual.* 95% of computer users use windows.
* I guess 98% have it at least installed.
* No-one ever saw Window's source code.
* Microsoft is an American company.
* New windows versions are never ever started from scratch.
And now, how easy would it have been to sneak a little backdoor in, let's say, DOS 1.0? Or even QDOS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QDOS)? They can view YOUR data, and if they didn't throw you in jail by now, then only because they weren't interested in you.
Conspiration Theoretics? LUNATICS!This is very, very, very serious. Read this carefully, one by one.
* There are extremly few BIG media corporations, and even fewer IMPORTANT ones.
* So if they don't like a certain person, what would hinder the corporation's bosses to start a campaign against that person? This actually happened. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen_Kane#The_Battle_over_Citizen_Kane)
* More than once - that was just an example.
There are actually some novels mentioning this. Even the propaganda scum, pardon, thriller "Digital Fortress" by "Dan Brown" mentions this (as a good thing, though. Propaganda trash, pardon, great thriller.)
Keep this in mind.
Quote from: Arthur Miller: Death of a SalesmanEverybody likes a fool, but no-one lends him money.
* Or: Who would believe a comedian on a serious topic?
Now combine it with the media thing. Make a fool of someone and no-one will ever believe something he says.
Have you
ever seen a single serious attempt on talking about conspiration theories?
The overkill are, anyway, these "studies" by "independent experts" that conspiration theoretics are just paranoid. You often hear said counter-arguments, but you never believe them. Why?
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This thread is neither serious nor does it have a point. -[
And your point is?
He's trying to advertise the forthcoming movie remake of 1984...
*slaps his face*
No, I'm not yet finished with writing ;D
You will see...
/EDIT:
Oh, and Wargames 2 is going to be the biggest Mindf**k of all times. Terrorists. Uh-huh.
This is not something impossible to believe.
"* The Google company decides in which order the results are displayed."
Totally true. For example, if you use a blog in BlogSpot (the blog service of the Google Company) and select the Hide option in "Add your blog to our listing", your blog is still can be seen publically on net but never shown in Google searches.
But also if you don't select "Hide" there, Google helps you to be found in all ways. Just because I use BlogSpot, my blog page was shown as the first result of some popular Turkish searches.
This had made me think whether Google is such a 'trustful' search engine.
(Now let's collect our suitcaes before they find us :P )
Yay! Someone believes me! ;D
Anyway, the Google thing is why I use Alltheweb.com and Metacrawler. Also, did you ever notice Google places cookies without even mentioning it? Oh, they act all "We are the anti-Microsoft", but they're exactly the same. They should form a Goosoft Microgle Company.
Google doesn't control a majority of the searches actually, MSN is the biggest search engine, presumably because it's the IE default page for people that don't know how to change it.
Yes, all marjor search engines log your searches along with your IP, like the AOL ones that they unfortunately released a while back. If you don't like it don't use a search engine, or browse anonymously via Tor or something similar.
What's your point about skipjack? Who uses skipjack?
Also, most internet traffic travels over a few backbones with no encryption. The security agencies can easily tap into that, doesn't matter what google stores so much, so if you're extremely paranoid then yes you should encrypt all your communications. But then, some hardcore paranoiacs would suggest that the NSA have magic mathematicians from space that have broken all the publically known algorithms. They probably shouldn't use the internet at all.
Quote from: scotch on Fri 12/01/2007 16:08:35
Google doesn't control a majority of the searches actually, MSN is the biggest search engine, presumably because it's the IE default page for people that don't know how to change it.
There are three kinds of people: The computer noobies. They use windows and search via MSN because they don't know any other search engine. The not-so-noob ones who sometimes still use MSN and sometimes Google, depenend on their skill level. And the pros who either use Google because it's better than MSN or use Google because they hate Microsoft.
Quote from: scotch on Fri 12/01/2007 16:08:35Yes, all marjor search engines log your searches along with your IP, like the AOL ones that they
unfortunately released a while back.
There was an important word. Major.
Quote from: scotch on Fri 12/01/2007 16:08:35If you don't like it don't use a search engine, or browse anonymously via Tor or something similar.
Already using JAP.
Quote from: scotch on Fri 12/01/2007 16:08:35What's your point about skipjack? Who uses skipjack?
Uh... nobody? I just felt like writing that.
Quote from: scotch on Fri 12/01/2007 16:08:35
Also, most internet traffic travels over a few backbones with no encryption. The security agencies can easily tap into that, doesn't matter what google stores so much, so if you're extremely paranoid then yes you should encrypt all your communications.
Humans = lazy. I'm not talking about 100% secure stuff. They tend to give up after a while if you do it right ;)
Quote from: scotchBut then, some hardcore paranoiacs would suggest that the NSA have magic mathematicians from space that have broken all the publically known algorithms.
You know that Microsoft Joke about god and the Internet? If you stick together enough calculation power you can even crack 128-Bit codes in a reasonable time.
Quote from: scotchThey probably shouldn't use the internet at all.
Yes. I've always wondered why they still do ::)
Geez, will I actually come through with this?
I heard that all the big antivirus companies actually WRITE viruses! If they protected you against all known and unknown viruses they'd be out of a job! The Empire Never Ended!
Oh wait, I've never heard that at all... Nevermind.
I don't understand how people can be lazy and at the same time so dedicated that they'll track every person on the internet and crack all their encryption.
I also don't think you're entirely serious.
Lets get this straight - the Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people, under the supervision of the reverse vampires, are forcing mathmagicians within the NSA to use chaos magic in a bid to decrypt google searches through a backdoor in MS-DOS to cover up 9/11 and any references to Hitler and Stalin being alive and well and owning a small restaurant somewhere near Brighton Pier (much to the dismay of Zombie Arthur Miller who isn't allowed out of the CIA's secret compound after 7pm)?!
We're through the looking glass, people.
Quote from: Akatosh on Fri 12/01/2007 16:15:44If you stick together enough calculation power you can even crack 128-Bit codes in a reasonable time.
OK. (http://www.mycrypto.net/encryption/encryption_crack.html)
Sort of O/T, anyone interested in learning a little bit about computer security and privacy might enjoy listening to this podcast (http://www.twit.tv/sn). It gets a bit technical sometimes, but it's pretty useful/interesting stuff IMO.
Quote from: Akatosh on Fri 12/01/2007 15:48:03
* Microsoft is an American company.
Of course, these guys are American, so I'm sure they work for one of our "more than two intelligence services" and can't be trusted after all. So never mind. :P
Quote from: MrColossal on Fri 12/01/2007 16:23:00
I heard that all the big antivirus companies actually WRITE viruses! If they protected you against all known and unknown viruses they'd be out of a job! The Empire Never Ended!
Oh wait, I've never heard that at all... Nevermind.
Funny, there was a Dilbert comic about that.
Pointy haired guy: We're going to release Anti-Virus software. What do you think?
Sadistic personal chief: Hm... we're going to release viruses which only our software can spot?
Pointy haired guy: Funny. Exactly what I thought.
Quote from: MrColossal on Fri 12/01/2007 16:23:00
I don't understand how people can be lazy and at the same time so dedicated that they'll track every person on the internet and crack all their encryption.
Must... track... person. Connection... jumped... three hundred times... by now. Anonymizer... 256-Bit encryption... so... tired.
Minimum effort is always fine, isn't it?
Quote from: MrColossal on Fri 12/01/2007 16:23:00I also don't think you're entirely serious.
Not entirely ;D
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@EagerMind/ @OK. - Website: Enough computers. If you just use enough, you can even crack that code using TI-84+ calculators. The internet is big. Really big. ONE intelligence service has a CPU power of x. Two have a CPU power of 2x. The USA alone has more than 2 Intelligence Services.
And with the American thing I just meant that your Intelligence Services are more present. And bigger. And have a way bigger budget.
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@Adamski: Get out of here, Mr. CIA. ;D
I just quoted Arthur Miller because every thread needs an Arthur Miller quote IMO ;D
And no, Hitler and Stalin lost the restaurant to Napoleon Bonaparte lately.
And admit it, you didn't know about chaos magic before.
If you want to be really scared, consider that if your mobile phone is turned on, then at least one large corporation, and the government know where you are, exactly. And they log the history for months, so they know where you have been for a long time...
Quote from: Akatosh on Fri 12/01/2007 15:48:03
* No-one ever saw Window's source code.
Actually, the microsoft site got h4xx0red and the source code released to the internet. Try googling it.
Could have as well been made up (both the code and the h4XxXxXor thing). And I'm certainly not going to google "Microsoft + hack + windows + source code" ;D
Come on, I'm not talked into the ground yet!
If you're looking for someone to debate you hardcore you're going to have actually be serious. Sorry!
I think it's a worthwhile point that most people are very insecure and that the mass of personal information becoming increasingly easily collected (even outside the internet) is something that should be taken seriously.
The rest.. well, I don't think you're serious about it all either ;) Conspiracy theories are fun to think about, sometimes.
For example, I wonder what people think that the security services would put into Windows... remote administration maybe? With all the hackers inspecting the code for little flaws like exploitable buffer overflows it doesn't make sense to think nobody would spot some massive security flaw like that. Compromised encryption algos? Makes more sense I suppose, but people don't encrypt their data with MS products usually, and the stuff used on the internet is the same for all systems.
I think all of us have been through all this before like 20 times, so I'll let you argue and stay out of the thread from this moment on, nothing new here.
Righto ;D
No, I don't want hardcore debate. Geez, I'm still using windows, that should show you how "serious" I'm being ::)
Quote from: Akatosh on Fri 12/01/2007 16:29:16
Funny, there was a Dilbert comic about that.
Pointy haired guy: We're going to release Anti-Virus software. What do you think?
Sadistic personal chief: Hm... we're going to release viruses which only our software can spot?
Pointy haired guy: Funny. Exactly what I thought.
Dilbert sucks.
Your main point (whatever the hell that was, I had trouble reading it through all the crazy) is based on a lot of speculation and a couple of Dan Brown novels. And they're the same old points that every conspiracy nut is talking about, how George W Hitler is trying to take over the world and how Dick Cheney personally flew both planes on 9/11 and Donald Rumsfeld wants all your base to belong to him.
But why not actually provide something with a bit of substance?
What I object to are governments reading mail. Confidential mail. Reading e-mail and opening postal mail without a warrant (just a few days after the clocks ticked over to 2007, Bush claimed new powers to open mail without a judge's warrant under a new postal reform bill). Likewise for phone calls.
Not only that, I don't like the US president willy-nilly deciding who's an enemy combatant because, under current laws, anyone can be an enemy according to him. Even if you don't violate an actual law!
I also don't like that the US government killed off habeas corpus, so you have no recourse if you're been unlawfully imprisoned by the US.
All of which are issues that have been discussed at length by professionals and industry specialists over the last year. They are things that are actually happening and are fact.
Try focusing on the awful things the government is actually doing to limit your freedom and privacy, and not the things that might/might not be happening.
Hey I made it through a whole post without swearing! Where's my parade?!
Quote from: DGMacphee on Fri 12/01/2007 17:36:40
Your main point is based on a lot of speculation and a couple of Dan Brown novels.
And a book by Michael Moore! Don't forget Micheal Moore ;D
And your parade got caught in a back-up, sorry :(
Michael Moore is an american, he MUST be evil! ;D skipjack is an american sub, the first "true" nuclear sub, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Skipjack_(SSN-585)
it was also a code, as Akatosh said. http://www.cs.technion.ac.il/~biham/Reports/SkipJack/note1.html
Google is indeed handy. Look what I found lurking in an unencrypted NSA databank.
"Re: Project Akatosh
The AGS website has gone live. Over 3000 bots have been created to ensure a ongoing facade of random user input. Subject suspects nothing."
As long as the Yahtzee and "Herculean Effort Productions" bots keep releasing games I'm happy ;D
Although, a more active Pumaman bot would have been nice...
Sorry, Bot Pumaman is currently busy creating ags 3.0, expected time, 2.6827x10^23 months
I dont know, but I really dont care if THEY are watching me, or taking notes of my travels, or if they find my wife beautiful. I use windows. I use Google. And I dont care. Im happy this way.
sorry for the unuseful post. I was only thinking about the pumaman joke.
;D
I'm a dos man meself, though I do use windows. There is somthing nice and simplistic in an ye ol' dos prompt.
Go *nix-way then. You can always kill X (graphical environment) there. Or just Ctrl-Alt-F1 from them.
This thread reminds me of Dale from King of the Hill.
The conspiracy - as you say, does not exist, because I'm at my home, there's no van filled with surveillance equipment infront of my house and no one has ever taken me to questioning.
Why should "they"? Well, If I kept diary of my web surfing, it would go something like this:
January 3rd
wikipedia search for Cyclotrimethylene Trinitramine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RDX)
wiki search for C4
wiki search for explosives
google search for explosives
google search for anarchist's cookbook
wiki search for SCUD missile
wiki search for ebola virus
google search for phreaking
howstuffworks.com for how radio works
wiki for detonators...
(I played Jagged Alliance 2 this day and started wondering how to make C4 more stable which led to full research on remote detonators, bomb belts and so on...)
...and etc, from islam to nukes to urban warfare to hitler to green card lottery to FSB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Security_Service_of_the_Russian_Federation) to cruise missiles to future warrior project to KKK to--
I guess it would look quite weird for an agent of mentioned "conspirative" agency...
But I have strong interest in modern weapons, power and history. And play (quite political) warfare games, especially modern RTS's. Sounds like perfect seed for young "danger to democractic world".
See, this is how it starts. Someone, a depressed kid gets interested in bombs and stuff. To open up in some random forum seeking for acceptance from random people. When he notices no-one really cares, he does as he has planned: He goes to a big mall with a backbag full of homemade C4, enters the most crowded area, leaves the bomb ticking and tries to run. But at that very moment something goes horribly wrong, he realises there's no point in killing people, and tries to stop it. But what happens is he breaks it, and the bomb goes off all over his face, killing hundreds of innocent bystanders... Had to say, sorry for the offtopic, but just shows they prolly should keep spying on us.
Qui custodiet ipsos custodient? There should be another way to solve that problem than fighting the symptoms of a society which depresses kids and gets them interested in bombs and stuff. And if that's making up a fake forum with 300 bots :=
/EDIT: Geez, I hate Latin :P
/EDIT: Wait, 'custodere' or whatever the infinitive of that word was is written with 'c', not 'q'
CONSPIRACY THEORYS are EVERY WHERE.
There is no cheap fuel because the oil companys assasinate anyone who opposes them. The ways of their thoughts are<<<"MAKE MONEY, DIE RICH">>>
How old are you?
Quote from: MOLEMAN on Fri 06/04/2007 14:07:56
CONSPIRACY THEORYS are EVERY WHERE.
There is no cheap fuel because the oil companys assasinate anyone who opposes them. The ways of their thoughts are<<<"MAKE MONEY, DIE RICH">>>
the reason you can't get cheap fuel is because it is all being used, so demand is high meaning that the cost must increase to be able to make some sort of profit. Although the oil companies are dodgy, I'm quite sure that they don't want to end up with less money than they began with, so therefore oil prices MUST increase.
It's shit luck, I know, but you've got to live with it.
Which is why I don't plan to own a car ;)
I didn't see any conclusion or even a theory of some sort (an important requirement for a conspiracy theory in my mind) in the original post. Unless it's basically "internet communication is not completely secure", which nobody would really disagree with. So... I guess I'm a bit curious as to the point of what you're talking about.
I already explained that... there simply is no point. That's it. But did you know Google is thinking about anonymising the data they stored about you after something like 18 to 24 months? Big whoopedy freaking doo. If I'm trying to make a point, it's highly likely to be "I don't like Google.".
I just don't think I could ever stop using Google, no matter what. It's like my best friend. It's always there when I need it. It listens to everything I tell it. It even corrects my spelling mistakes.
I... I love you Google.
Quote from: Hammerite on Fri 06/04/2007 14:15:17
the reason you can't get cheap fuel is because it is all being used, so demand is high meaning that the cost must increase to be able to make some sort of profit.
Economics is not your friend, more like a misunderstood casual acquaintance.
I HATE Goooooooooooooooooooooooooogle >:(
Use
http://www.ask.com/
use that because you hate google?
Quote from: Wtcq on Sun 08/04/2007 18:33:45
I HATE Goooooooooooooooooooooooooogle >:(
Use
http://www.ask.com/
what did google do to you?
I'll tell you what google didn't do, and that's pay Wtcq's salary : P
Apparently, the CIA controls gravity.
And, due to "Jan van Helsing" (not his real name, of course), the weather.
Microsoft is EVIL.
Oh, REALLY?
(also, first post with my new keyboard which, surprisingly, works just as fine as my old keyboard did before it broke.)
Quote from: Haddas on Wed 11/04/2007 02:34:54
Apparently, the CIA controls gravity.
What are-you talking about?
The CIA is not behind the Gravity Law. Everybody knows that. The CIA? If they controlled gravity they will be able to predict the fall of Berlin Wall. No no no.
It's the Swiss Secret service, Micheal Moore miss it all. Anyway, I'm sure he eated Swiss Cheese. At least once.
You see, I've joined the Illuminati, so don't expect to hear something true from me again. Also, why does this thread get bumped every once in a while?
Quote from: Akatosh on Tue 15/05/2007 17:23:01
Also, why does this thread get bumped every once in a while?
BECAUSE, Little One. BECAUSE.