Hello, i just got thru the test to register and i just have one simple question :) i really appreciate the content advisor and i'm probably just stupid but could someone tell me what each icon is? I know the 1st one must be language but the others?
I searched the faq and knowl. base but it doesn't say anything about it.
Thank you
natalie
(http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/images/iconlang.gif) Language
(http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/images/iconsex.gif) Sex
(http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/images/iconviol.gif) Violence
One might think that those icons aren't particularly clear, especially the violence one (which looks like two people shaking hands, in fact).
They do look like they are shaking hands!! ;D
THanks a ton for your help!
If you hold your mouse over the pictures, a little white box will pop-up with a description... 8)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a214/La_Lore/Content.gif)
I took the liberty of making an attempt...
And here is an alternative version for the "sex" icon that I like a lot...
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a214/La_Lore/Aria2.gif)
Aria.... mmmmmm... :)
Quote from: strazer on Tue 28/03/2006 22:44:32
(http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/images/iconlang.gif) Language
Oh noes, heaven forbid we'll have games containing language!
QuoteIf you hold your mouse over the pictures, a little white box will pop-up with a description..
Really? Doesn't work on my system.
Here's an image for offensive language.
(http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/374683/2/istockphoto_374683_curse_vector.jpg)
Quote from: Radiant on Wed 29/03/2006 14:24:18
Quote from: strazer on Tue 28/03/2006 22:44:32
(http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/images/iconlang.gif) Language
Oh noes, heaven forbid we'll have games containing language!
Well, there was one MAGS where it was banned... ;)
Quote from: Radiant on Wed 29/03/2006 14:24:18
QuoteIf you hold your mouse over the pictures, a little white box will pop-up with a description..
Really? Doesn't work on my system.
You probably know that, but the pics use the "alt" attribute, which is the text that is to be shown as replacement if the image can't be displayed. For mouseover descriptions, there's the separate "title" attribute.
When the mouse hovers over the image, only Internet Explorer displays the "alt" text when the "title" attribute is missing. Other browsers only try to display the "title" text and display nothing if it's missing.
So the pics on the homepage simply lack the "title" attribute to work with all browsers.
i made those little roger icons :D
(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/iconlang.gif)
(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/iconlang.gif)
(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/iconsex.gif)
(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/iconsex.gif)
(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/iconviol.gif)
(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/iconviol.gif)
Haha! More SEX plz! the other animations are great.
ProgZmax, Nice stuff, but I think we might need a content advisor for your content advisors.
Philistine.
If those icons are revisited, they should be drawn without Roger to ensure clarity.
Perhaps something more symbolic, like:
Language: Exclamation marks plus a little skull
Sex: The male and female symbol (the o's with the tails)
Violence: silhouette of a handgun
Progz, those anims are great, especially the violence one!
The Dutch TV and movie board uses these stylistic thingies, but I like Progz's beat-em-up better (and I wonder as to his initial thoughts for making a sex icon... :) )
(http://195.86.38.45/images/kijkwijzer/g.gif) (http://195.86.38.45/images/kijkwijzer/s.gif) (http://195.86.38.45/images/kijkwijzer/t.gif) (http://195.86.38.45/images/kijkwijzer/16.gif)
Quoteand I wonder as to his initial thoughts for making a sex icon... Smiley
Three words:
FULL FRONTAL NUDITY:
(only view if you are perverse like Radiant)
http://members.cox.net/progzmax/iconsex2.gif
Nice animations but ah heck why not just leave them as they are? This is the first case in their 2 years of existence that someone hasn't hovered over them to get their description.
I appreciate that the violence icon isn't particularly clear (no offence Boyd, your icons have lasted very well ;) ) but if anyone thinks they can do a better job in a 20x20 image then feel free to post it here.
Quote from: Farlander on Wed 29/03/2006 13:06:57
...And here is an alternative version for the "sex" icon that I like a lot...
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a214/La_Lore/Aria2.gif)
Hehe, It's a better fit to replace the violence icon ;D
Why? O_o
When I see Aria I think in sex... :(
[joke]Maybe you think in violence because she is lesbian? Do you want to punch her? Homophobic!!![/joke] ;D
At 20x20 I can't make out any of the current ones, violence is the hardest though, perhaps it is my high resolution...
To be visible without hovering for the alt text, I think they'd need to be very simple icons along the lines of
(http://www.caverider.com/temp/swearing.png)
(http://www.caverider.com/temp/sex.png)
(http://www.caverider.com/temp/violence.png)
Hard to give them any AGS charm though.
Why do the sex icons only represent heterosexual sex?
Aria is homo.
Anyway... because 99% of the people is hetero?
Maybe?
Quote from: Farlander on Wed 29/03/2006 19:28:55
Anyway... because 99% of the people is hetero?
Maybe 52% of thesre 99% are bi!!!! That way, you have a problem Farl!
Let's make this forums political corect!
Quote from: Nikolas on Wed 29/03/2006 19:30:38
Quote from: Farlander on Wed 29/03/2006 19:28:55
Anyway... because 99% of the people is hetero?
Maybe 52% of thesre 99% are bi!!!! That way, you have a problem Farl!
Let's make this forums political corect!
Hey! I am bi!
I don't know if I want to go with one girl... or two.
Funny thing, I recall Farlander speaking of Aria and me mentioning she was gay. Was that how you got it? Because I was watching this film just now, Howard Stern show from 2002, don't ask why, and in it Aria said she wasn't gay, in fact she was at that time going out with the Marilyn Manson guitarist. Well, at leas t you believed me. But serisouly, she never made any hard core, peopel who don't do hard core are gay, arent they?
Man... you are puting words in my mouth.
I have no idea she was going with one member of Marilyn Manson's band. I don't particularilly like porn actresses'bios, just the pics. Specially if they show such perfect breasts.
The internet rumour is that she is gay. The info reached me through internet, not through you. I am not specially aware of the things you say, actually...
She is not gay? Cool. I don't really care, I won't probably see her "life". She comes to the erotical festival in Barcelone, but... I have better things to do than driving 400 kms. for seeing two tits. Specially having twoo very similar at home.
But that claim that I "consider gay anyone who does not make hardcore" is totally silly. Man... If you want to make me unpopular, quote me correctly, there are a lot of politically uncorrect sentences I've signed. No need to invent anything...
EDIT: On the other hand, the accussation is not just unfair, but false. Aria DOES hardcore. Have you seen "Aria" by Andrew Blake? And "Blondes and brunettes"? He has that silver dildos, and she uses them (I can promise she knows how to use them!) And she definitelly makes everything women would do when making love together (Licking, fingering...)
The case is that she does not make hetero hardcore, but she does lesbian hardcore.
So... as you can see, I am not a person who automatically beliefs that "gay are repressed people with too shame over them that just can do softcore". Or "heteros are horny people who automatically go to hardcore as soon as they have the occasion".
My belief that Aria is lesbian might be uncorrect, but it's not based in the silly prejudices you adjudge to me.
Who is this Aria woman, anyway? A sidekick in Tomb Raider?
Aria Giovanni...
Google... and enjoy. 8)
QuoteI appreciate that the violence icon isn't particularly clear (no offence Boyd, your icons have lasted very well Wink ) but if anyone thinks they can do a better job in a 20x20 image then feel free to post it here.
Why 20x20? That's not even a standard icon size (16x16, 32x32) and one of the icons at least is 15x20. 32x32 would at least allow for some clear text descriptions if the image is somehow unclear.
Yay, generic icons ahoy!
(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/icon1.gif)
(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/icon2.gif)
(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/icon3.gif)
and animated versions
(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/icon1a.gif)
(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/icon2a.gif)
(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/icon3a.gif)
Quote from: Nikolas on Wed 29/03/2006 19:30:38
Let's make this forums political corect!
Let's make these forums' spelling correct? :P
Anyway; I like Progz's icons better than Scotch's. The fact that the present icons have been in use for a long time is not, in my mind, a compelling reason not to replace them, if we can find (or make) icons that are clearer and/or funnier.
Quote from: ProgZmax on Wed 29/03/2006 21:13:31
Why 20x20? That's not even a standard icon size (16x16, 32x32) and one of the icons at least is 15x20. 32x32 would at least allow for some clear text descriptions if the image is somehow unclear.
This is a webpage, not a Windows application. The reason for me saying 20x20 as the maximum size is that any bigger starts to make the webpage look a mess by having icons that are too large and look out of place. Equally, as much as I love your icons, animated gif's wouldn't really look right on the games page and would probably make it look quite silly.
Quote from: Pumaman on Wed 29/03/2006 18:58:41
I appreciate that the violence icon isn't particularly clear (no offence Boyd, your icons have lasted very well ;) ) but if anyone thinks they can do a better job in a 20x20 image then feel free to post it here.
heh, i was actually very surprised when they were used in the first place as i did think they were kinda small...
QuoteThis is a webpage, not a Windows application. The reason for me saying 20x20 as the maximum size is that any bigger starts to make the webpage look a mess by having icons that are too large and look out of place. Equally, as much as I love your icons, animated gif's wouldn't really look right on the games page and would probably make it look quite silly.
I disagree on both counts but okay. 32x32 isn't so much larger than 20x20 that a webpage would suddenly look awful, particularly since we're now in an age where the vast majority of people are operating in 800x600 or higher. Your call though, and I respect that.
Besides, I just like making blood dripping animations for some reason.
But Chris, do you like Aria Giovanni or not? ???
The sex animation is the best so far. When they are so small, animations help to understand the picture (especially if it's meant to be funny too), but if they have to be static, the male/female rings should be interlocked and colored in typically male/female colors (red/blue). The simpler (and easier to understand) they can be done, the better.
The roger violence animation still seems the best to me, scotch's static pictures are generally good, but could be further simplified by removing the blood from the sword, the XXX text etc. I am not so fond of having icons with text in them.
Less arty, more functional.
It's probably just me but I always thought the violence icon looked a lot like a sex icon, if you get my meaning. Doesn't quite look like they're shaking -hands- to me...
Anyway, the mouse over thing never worked for me either so I agree that it would be a good idea to redo them, as neat as they are, just so they're a little clearer. Progz' icons are nice :) Perhaps if we want to be PC, we could have not just a male and female symbol, but a whole bunch all connected like a bunch of keys on a key-chain, kind of throbbing together in a sultry way. Maybe even some that have both the arrow and the cross on the same ring, for any game that uses hermaphrodites!
Quote
[joke]Maybe you think in violence because she is lesbian? Do you want to punch her? Homophobic!!![/joke]
Hehe, No Farl, she looks like she could kick all of our butts! ;D
It's beginning to look like a thread in the activity forum. :=
(http://www.imag.us/x/gilbert/language.gif)
(http://www.imag.us/x/gilbert/sex.gif)
(http://www.imag.us/x/gilbert/violence.gif)
Quote from: Kinoko on Thu 30/03/2006 03:36:51
Anyway, the mouse over thing never worked for me either
As pointed out above, the mouseover only works in internet explorer (because its behavior is not HTML-compliant but relies on a discrepancy only existent in IE... ) It would be trivial (and appreciated) for the webmaster to fix that.
QuoteHehe, No Farl, she looks like she could kick all of our butts!
Well, she does look rather like Red Sonja...
QuoteIt's beginning to look like a thread in the activity forum.
We could make a contest out of it :)
Well if you use a cool browser like Opera, you can disable images with just a key press thus revealing the "alt" text though.
Quote from: Farlander on Wed 29/03/2006 19:49:54
But that claim that I "consider gay anyone who does not make hardcore" is totally silly. Man... If you want to make me unpopular, quote me correctly, there are a lot of politically uncorrect sentences I've signed. No need to invent anything...
Haha, great, had to comment. Dude, I never meant it was your opinion. It never was a quote. Just relax a bit ok ;) It was just a joke added after the post I did. Oh, and there's a fun story behind all this, but forget about it.
I was excited, no probs.
I allways turn very tempered when discussing about Aria.
:D
Anyway, I wouldn't do changing the original pictures. At least roger must be left there. That's my opinion... and what one could do is to put the word language, sex, violence, anything next to the picture to make it clearer...
If you need to put the word by the icon (or in the icon), the icon has failed. At that point, you are admitting the icon is nonsensical and you might as well omit it.
EDIT:
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/contentadv.gif)
How about this? Do you think this is clear? I used a handgun instead of a knife, because while a knife can be used for many things, handguns were designed to kill people. I used the yellow background because the icons are advisories, or warnings.
I think the circle symbols communicate the "sex" aspect, but I'm not sure about nudity. A fig leaf would look too much like "drugs"...
The symbols don't immediately convey sex(ual intercourse & nudity) to me as well as the other icons immediately convey their own meanings.
How about a zipper (a la Leisure Suit Larry)?
How about - you people are supposed to love (or at least accept) old style graphics so stop being hypocrits and leave BOYD's in there?
;)
Quote from: Redwall on Thu 30/03/2006 19:18:00
The symbols don't immediately convey sex(ual intercourse & nudity) to me as well as the other icons immediately convey their own meanings.
I mean, I would draw the silhouette of a penis or boobs, but wouldn't that defeat the purpose? Ooh, I know... I will post an update soon.
Quote from: m0ds on Thu 30/03/2006 19:51:58
How about - you people are supposed to love (or at least accept) old style graphics so stop being hypocrits and leave BOYD's in there?
;)
Because the old ones are ambiguous and confusing.
(http://koti.mbnet.fi/~fnote/labels/Love1.jpg)
... or how about a sperm entering an eggcell?
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/contentadv2.gif)
Does this make more sense?
Yes. If it's not meant to reflect sex in an intercourse way.
QuoteBecause the old ones are ambiguous and confusing.
...to one person.
I don't really care if the graphics are changed, but I think its a bit sad that everyone jumps to a conclusion that people won't understand his images, even though they have ALT tags and usually descriptive and
obvious text beside them that explain what they are. Strazer did the best job here, IMO.
I invented the content advisor & so far it's done a perfectly good job. As Tuomas says, removing Roger for some slightly more descriptive pics would be a shame. It's only the violence icon that's slightly confusing, why can't that one just be slightly modified?
The Kappa girl is an improvement, but again - what if it's all about gay sex? :P
Just because one person complained about it doesn't mean that only one person had trouble understanding them. Once again, if you NEED the ALT tags, the icons have FAILED in their purpose (pictoral communication)!
Think about this: many games have more than just an English translation available. We can't assume that everyone speaks English, or else we would of simply replaced the icons with the labels VIOLENCE, SEX/NUDITY, LANGUAGE, since that way it leaves less room for error. But we did not do that.
If we plan to have icons, we need them to be clear and easy to understand without any text around them.
As for gay sex, the point of an icon is to quickly give the viewer information, not to describe all aspects possible for the topic it describes.
BTW, the girl can be commonly seen on big rig mudflaps.
Okay, agreed.
Now what about the Roger comment? Do you not love Roger enough to re-draw him?
:P
I do quite like your latest icons big brother, they get the point across whilst still being moderately sized. It would be a shame to lose the AGS-ifiedness of Roger though ;)
What does everyone else think?
Roger will need animations to support the message. Roger himself has nothing to do with any of those. For static sprites, those work nicely.
To keep the AGSishness just use the blue cup and roger color scheme's. We could also make larger versions of the sprites and use them for inventory or other objects in the demo game?
I like the yellow and black color scheme because of the "warning" connotations, but if we want to keep the AGS look, we could always make them blue on white.
The integration idea is interesting, too. Kind of a backwards way of making them part of AGS.
I also like bigbrother's icons, but seeing as I did some (in the meantime) I'll share anyway.
(http://www.fantasynoir.com/images/lanIcon.gif)
(http://www.fantasynoir.com/images/nsxIcon.gif)
(http://www.fantasynoir.com/images/vncIcon.gif)
New smaller versions!
(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/icon1b.gif)
(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/icon2b.gif)
(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/icon3b.gif)
(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/icon1c.gif)
(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/icon2c.gif)
(http://members.cox.net/progzmax/icon3c.gif)
Quote(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/contentadv.gif)
The second one is for games discussing gender issues? :) Seriously though, the later version is nice.
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How about - you people are supposed to love (or at least accept) old style graphics so stop being hypocrits and leave BOYD's in there?
I vote that we go really oldskool and use the kind of graphics used in NetHack. Thus, we get:
Foul language - @ *@#!
Sex - @&
Violence - @)
Just to say, some of those icons (specifically ones on this page) don't view well in 256 colours. If that matters, that is. If it is to be changed, the yellow on black would be best.
whoa, who still runs 256?
I personally see absolutely no use for these icons, but if we HAVE to have them, big brother's read best and quickest of all, as is their meaning more readily apparent to one that doesn't know what he's supposed to be looking at. But they're sterile. Not a bad thing, if you consider they're content warnings, though. Not everything has to be full of ags relevant happy.