What's your deepest philosophical (I have no idea how it's spelled) though?
I mean, do you sometimes start thinking about something and then realize it might not BE so?
One of my biggest thoughts (up to now), is:
I once read that the universe will never end. Since all the suns will die and turn into black holes that suck everything into themselves, they will suck black holes into black holes. Soon everything is just one big pile of mass in a looong time. Then it will explode into a thing we call big bang (, at least that's what they said in the magazine).
Now I wonder... If that is true and will happen, Then HOW many times has it allready happened? What if creatures looking like humans existed 74 000 000 000 big bangs ago? How many big bangs have gone by? I'm frustrated to not have an answer!
IF this is true.
Give me some points of view on the subject
Tell me your thoughts, and don't tell me you haven't thought about anything...
Read Stephen Hawking, man. Either it will lead you to a new way of thinking about the way the universe, time etc, work, or it will give you a huge headache.
Interesting choice of a topic.... I guess my "deepest" philosophical idea is of the balance of all things, how everything complements everything else in such a complex way, creating all we see around us. It's like we are completely insignificant in the ultimate working of the universe. Gazillions of years after the end of the human race, the universe would still be continuing without the slightest hitch.
I had a philosophical type question too. What is the name of theory that disproves that all we see is an illusion (as in Haddas is an illusion, this pc I am typing on is an illusion, what I am seeing is an illusion, and all that exists is me, who is getting a constant input of information). I read somewhere that it was one of the possibilities of existence, until someone disproved it in a perverse twist of logic
Ok, I'll get back to my pot now..... ;D
Since a big bang requires the entire universe to be a singularity, and since singularities are not subject to normal laws, nothing that happened before one can have any effect at all, in anyway that would make the fact that there was something before it evident to those who are able to observe after it. Since time is what we call that which seperates cause and effect, and since the earliest cause we can measure because of the above problem is the big bang itself, as far as anything is concerned, time began with the big bang.
Moreover, that means that if the universe contracts into a big crunch singularity[and thus another big bang, and this isn't the most popular theory] all possible trace of the existence of this universe will be lost, and time will begin again.
And as far as anything in the universe is concerned, it will never have existed.
Hawking is fun to read isn't he.
oh, and Babloyi, Solipsism holds that since the self is the only thing that can be verified as exisiting, many use the term to describe a situation where, since it is the only thing that can be verified, it is the only thing, hence all else is illusion.
And to quote Dr Johnson....
"I refute it thus!"
/me stubs toes on rock
and all philosophy is sophistry :p
Is stephen hawking that guy in a wheelchair?
Of course existed a previous Universe... It had some strange things that looks weird to us now. For example, the soud was transmited in the empty space, explosions and lasers could be heard. It was possible to stay in the middle of an opened to the space ship without dangerous, and the Force controlled all the living things in the gallaxy.
It was a long time ago, in a galaxy far away...
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You're RIGHT! How could we have so blind?!? lol ;D
I think it's sad that one of the greatest minds of our time is famous for 'being in a wheelchair'...
...I'm not famous for being in a wheelchair...
But you're not one of the greates minds either! ;D ;D
... I am! Check my personal signature!
i have the greatest theory ever, but the thing is its way to long to write down. And the only person ive ever explained it to was my best mate.
sorry guys , you'll never know .... until it happens
until then
bye
-nath
That theory about big bang and big crunch doesn't mean there was necessarily anything before the big bang of our universe and there will not be necessarily anything after its big crunch. But it's possible that it would've been happening once and again and again for God knows how "long". It's also possible that all things are happening at the same time. That is, all possible universes exist, the one where you are the ruler of the world and the one where the purple tentacle enslaves humans, too. But the life you are living is somehow one of the infinite possible paths that can be gone through in this universe. Why don't we choose to be in the universe where we are rulers of the world? Well... I can't tell that, but maybe it's because we don't want to...
Now this I'm going to tell you is a theory I came up with some years ago that I hope is not true. Maybe I have already told it here, but it's not probable as it's something I don't generally tell people, but well... here we go. It's related to the fact we feel time passing really quickly when we are having fun and we feel it very sloooow when we are in pain, I guess you've noticed it. Well, some medical theories say it's because of the concentration of adrenaline or I-don't-know what substance in our blood that causes that sensation, I don't know much about this maybe you do. On the other hand, I think the pain and pleasure feelings must be an essential part of any life form as they're the primary way of telling "warning, don't go this way" or "yeah, that's working fine". We know that it doesn't always work because some types of pleasure lead to death and some types of pain lead to healing, but our human lives are enormously more complex than, for example, cells, and it's quite logical that they have more complex pain/pleasure systems.
Ok, back to what I was saying... If pain and pleasure is one of the main characteristics of life, and if the speed we feel the time passes is directly proportional to the amount of pleasure and inversely proportional to the amount of pain, then dying (which should be the most "painful" situation, as it's what the pain tries to make us avoid) must be the situation in which we feel the time pass more slowly. That is, in the moments previous to death, you should feel the time passing extremely slow... and then... what the hell happens to your consciousness? Well, extrapolating this result, when pain tends to infinite, the time speed should tend to 0, that is, when you die your consciousness gets stuck in a moment (yeah, like U2 :P), a moment of eternal pain.
Yes, it's an awful theory, so please someone refute it quickly before I start feeling depressed about it...
Y' know, the fact that he's in a wheelchair has probably played a part in his being such a brilliant thinker, I mean, there's not a whole lot other things he can do besides think.
Hmm, maybe that sounds a bit too cynical. Anyways, to answer your first question Haddas, the universe will probably end, because of entropy - everything goes into disorder. That's not to say that the universe might go into another Big Bang, it might expand too much and then collapse unto itself, that's another theory that's kinda popular.
I have several wacky thoughts (I'm a philosophy minor, so you could say I'm supposed to have 'em :P), but right now I'm kinda bored, so I'll share later. :P
(Edit)
I just saw your post Kairus, and thought I'd answer, and perhaps save you from depression :P. Death doesn't have to be the ultimate form of pain, maybe it is a release, maybe a transitional phase to a completely different state of being than the one we're currently experiencing. And this kind of reminds me of Jacob's Ladder and the quote they used in the end, I think it was from Voltaire. That in the moment of your death, if you don't accept your fate, you are plagued by demons (figuratively speaking. Probably) and are in lot of pain, not unlike what you said. But if you do accept your fate, then the demons turn into angels and release you from your burden. So it's just about not fearing death.
Is this making any sense? No? Thought as much. :P
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One of my deepest thoughts is:
What is 'real'? How do you define 'real'?
If real is what you can feel, what you can smell, what you can taste and see, then real is simply, electrical signals interpreted by our brain.
Have you ever had a dream, Haddas, that you were so sure was real?
What if you were unable to wake from that dream?
How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?
I know why you're here, Haddas. I know what you've been doing... why you hardly sleep, why you live alone, and why night after night, you sit by your computer. You're looking for him. I know because I was once looking for the same thing. And when he found me, he told me I wasn't really looking for him. I was looking for an answer. It's the question that drives us. It's the question that brought you here. You know the question, just as I did.
After all these things said, you know what I realize?
Ignorance is bliss... (And I should stop watching The Matrix) 8)
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lol
Kairus:
I just started thinking(wow), that IF the mind would stop when we die, will we see the last thought for all eternity? I'm gonna think about boobs... another thing about when time slows down is that it would explain why people have time to see thier life flashing before their eyes before they die.
If your conscienceness was suspended in nothingness, how confused would your sense of time become with nothing to judge elapsed time on?
EDIT: Haddas, I'd think about love and happiness.
QuoteI'd think about love and happiness.
That sounds like valium to me...
42
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Look, if I hadn't done it, someone else would have.
Well, you were right about that, I was just about to... :P
Anyway, http://www.cco.net/~jpete/deepthou.htm... some great Deep Thoughts ;D
Lazy Z: I'm not a deppressive maniac, what I stated is in direct opposition to mi beliefs, but it's a biological/metaphysical argument I haven't found a way to refute yet, and that's not good. The only arguments that contradict this theory are the ones about people who returned from quasi-death, and I don't know if they don't have some other kind of explanation...
What is 42?
Quote from: Kairus on Sat 21/02/2004 22:22:46What is 42?
To understand that, you have to actually know what the question is... :-\
What's the question?
If we knew that we'd understand the answer.
This is such a mystery...
WAHT IS TEH QUESTION!?!1++?
But thats why we are here, to learn the question, which we do, we just dont realise that we know the question because nobody has ever put the question and answer together, and when they do, the whole equation makes sence in a second form, which outshines the first form, thus, nobody ever looks at the first form to realise the importance.
Think about it
huh?
What is seven times eight?
Oh, damn, there must have been an error....
(did I dream this question or was that actually a joke in the book or TV series? I seem to remember them trying to find the question & they got this one, which is obviously wrong.)
I figured out the meaning of life once, then the next day when I was sober I'd forgotten. Which in turn makes me believe you should combine all sorts of drugs in your system, and it makes the answer really clear. The only way to remember it is to keep yourself topped up to that level.
Which in turn makes me believe that we were never meant to know the answer because we were never designed to take that many drugs continually.
But all I can remember is that it got to the point where all the light went into a tiny spot all condensed like when you switch off a CRT TV. Which is quite similar to the theory of the expanding & collapsing of the universe.
my universe was collapsing until I realised (or completely not) what was going on.
but the light could have also been something to do with the camp fire, but strangely enough the battle between coke & pepsi was evident, if it weren't for them I'd be insane, but if they never existed it would have proven the theory that each time the universe expands again, it comes back slightly different. De ja vu is not as stupid as it seems. most cases of it are not in the real sense but if the theory is right, I've probably posted this message before (give or take a few words [if words were called words then])
and BTW, 42 is not even close (that theory is so flawed, I won't even begin to give the question, as it's not the right one)
But in all seriousness, I guess we will never really know, as theories are just estimated guesses, but I've thought of this type of shit pleanty of times, and although the answer lies within me, it is trapped until I escape.
We are all pretty much like germs or viruses in the whole scheme of things, not too important but exist all the same (at least in our own minds [but more likely just in my mind as this is all a figment of my imagination])
When it comes down to it, it doesn't matter at all, and to think about it is just wating time and brain cells that could be used for more productive and important things like killing brain cells with substance abuse, study (not of philisophical bullshit)
But in all seriousness, I guess we will never really know, as theories are just estimated guesses, but I've thought of this type of shit pleanty of times, and although the answer lies within me, it is trapped until I escape.
hang on, did I write that twice, how did that happen????
purple monkey grapefruit *2
I have another teory, which I've noticed my friends also have. Well say that this text is black (which it is), but your black might not be the same as my black. We have all been taught the names of colors as kids, But what if the color I see as yellow actually looks like this in your eyes? I'm sure the eyes have different variations of bending the rays that come from the sky...
Buut... This is probably just some crap I've thought of while high on Diablo II
Yeah, I think everyone has thought of that color perception thing at least once. The answer is: why on earth should you care about whether you and me see or not the same color if it would make exactly the same perception? That is, if I see as green what you see as red, then you and me would differentiate exactly the same colors in the same way. On the other hand, if I see as green what you see as white, then either you or me are having a problem, because green is one of the colors used to make white, so some of us will not properly differentiate some colors. That's called daltonism...
That answer to the color theory is similar to the answer to this one:
Is there a fate you can't escape? Is the universe just designed by an equation where absolutely nothing can escape and there is no place for purely random facts? Or is there some actual random running in some place that makes things evolve in a way that's not possible to predict?
Then the answer is: What difference could it make? If everything was decided from the beginning, you are not able to know it anyway, so your actions will go as if nothing was decided. And if it weren't planned, then you could live your life as if you were creating it. Thus, discussing about whether fate exists or not is useless.
Did that make any sense?
Yeah, I've thought that about colours before, and I guess it's true to some extent, cause some people are colour blind, the most common one being red/green colour blind, where it is hard to distinguish between the two colours, they may look the same.
Colour blindness is an hereditary thing that is more common in males, it's quite rare for a female to have it.
I've also thought about the colours that we see as being the rejected colour.
EG. you see leaves as being green (well most of them), but what is really happening is the other colours are actually being absorbed or used by the plant for a reason and the green part of the spectrum is being reflected so that's why we see green.
so it's a twist in thinking, that the colours that we see are the ones that are not needed, or rejected by the particular object.
That's why people have so many different taste!
I've been thinking a lot about how society is breaking down, and how this country is being slowly over-run with anarchy. It's been a long thought.
QuoteTo understand that, you have to actually know what the question is...
QuoteThis is such a mystery...
WAHT IS TEH QUESTION!?!1++?
It's the question that drives us. It's the question that brought you here. You know the question, just as I did...
What is... the Matrix?(sorry, couldn't help myself)
The first question was What is the Meaning of Life, The Universe and Everything... but that was not the actual question.
The actual question was "What do you get if you multiply Six by Nine..."
Ahem...
6 times seven equals forty-two.
6x7=42.
6
6
6
6
6
6
+6
42
Understand?
No, the question was "What do you get if you multiply 6 by 9..." and the answer WAS 42...
Either you are an American and dont understand humour, or you've never seen Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, which if you haven't, I pity you. :-\
I've read some of the books, I'm in the middle of the third. I must've gotten confused. In the first one, when the mice are bickering over what questions sound best, one says "6 times 7?" and the other says "No, too literal." But I've read them. But in order to see The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, It'd have to be 2005. don't believe me? Go to TV tome, imdb, upcomingmovies.com, and search for Martin Freeman in the search category. Sure enough, his filmography has it. They've already assigned most of the character's parts to actors! Oh, and I'm American. >:(
I've known about the movie for ages, seeing as I frequently go to Dark Horizons and a few others. I'm talking about the original mini-series.
And very appropriately named this thread is, as it was Deep Thought who answered the question to Life, The Universe and Everything...
Anyway, they sadly hired Warwick Davis to play Marvin, so instead of a sadonic hulking robot, they have a fucking midget with dreadlocks who specialises in playing furry little teddy bears who fights the empire. :P
Where have all my socks gone?
Quote from: Os Último Quão Queijo ^_^ on Mon 23/02/2004 01:01:00
And very appropriately named this thread is, as it was Deep Thought who answered the question to Life, The Universe and Everything...
Which is why I brought it up in the fist place, you silly person.
I thought you brought it up because people were talking about the meaning of life and philosophical shit... ::)
Some recent theories have said that after a while black holes, very slowly mind you, get smaller and smaller until they are no longer a black hole. I can't quite remember the science behind it, though. However, as I'll be dead a long time before the termed "End of the Universe" I'm not too concerned with it.
Deep thoughts? I'm very open to saying I can never prove to myself I know anything. But what I think, or think I think, or think that I am thinking I think...You get the point...is that if there is a god that the universe was created as a mirror, so god could see itself. Try to picture nothing in existence...just a big black void (I'd say don't imagine any of the dimensions of lenght, but I don't think anyone can truly process that image, as it doesn't really exist). Now let's assume that you're the only person in this void. You have no body, nothing. You can't hear anything, you can't see anything, you can't touch anything. How do you prove to yourself you exist? You make yourself a body, with all these nice fancy doo-dads like legs and such (mind you this is you I'm talking about not god). You're still in this black void, and you can see (now), that you do indeed exist. Your arm moves and everything. But yet, if you have nothing to interact with, you are still can't be too sure that you exist. So you make the ground to walk on, the air to breath, vibrations to listen with and see with. What I'm getting at here, is that if there is indeed a entity, I like to believe that existence is just a mirror image of him. Anything/person "evil" is part of the god. At some point this being thought ideas of right and wrong. The god tries to suppress this. It's like when you look in a mirror and see a zit and have the need to rid yourself of it. So god thinks is good, but it's like any of us, we have emotions that if said allowed or acted on, would be considered bad by society. We try to rid ourselves of these thoughts (most of us).
In the end, though, this is all just me having some free time on my hands and thinking of stuff. I'm agnostic, and I just think to myself, this may or may not be true. I can't prove it.
-MillsJROSS
Quote from: Os Último Quão Queijo ^_^ on Mon 23/02/2004 03:28:42
I thought you brought it up because people were talking about the meaning of life and philosophical shit... ::)
That may well have been my
justification for bringing it up, but it was the thread title that made me think of it, thus becoming my actual
reason for bringing it up.
And don't roll your eyes at me, you cheeky bugger.
Sadly, I have no eyes... ::)
If God would like me, he would've given me the ability to shoot laser beams... no better yet: LENSFLEAR!1! out of my eyes.
Ah, finally the return of the philosophical thread. I remember when it appeared three times during one summer (2001 or something), and eventually drove all people mad.
Here's a summary of what happened:
1. Approximately three people, one of which was MonkeySpank, claimed to be solipsists.
2. Helm yelled at them.
3. Somebody quoted Dylan.
4. Altogether, the debates comprised 12982 jokes that referred to the Hitch-hiker's guide to the galaxy.
5. Bspeers made his bi-annual guest appearence.
6. It was concluded that the biggest philosophical question of all had to do with whether Davy Jones was alive or not.
7. Some people from i-mockery came over and mocked us.
That's pretty much it.
Wooooo! I can see into the past! I had no idea of a previous Philosophical thread (or who Davy Jones is, although I know about his locker), but I sensed a looming question about.....solipsism!. And I did not even know about the word before this thread! I had to look it up on the net, bacuase my philosophy professor is mad at me since I dropped his subject :(. Also, there should be a ton more of jokes referring to The Hitch-hikers Guide to the galaxy. That book is the cradle of Philosophical thought! Sorry for the inconvinience! oohhhh.. Oh yeah. I hearby declare myself a solipsist. None of you exist. I don't even know why I am telling you this, as you don't exist. Oh well....I guess it appeases my sense of emotion
A theory about the purpose of life....
As far as we know, this is the only planet around with life on it. And one day, when the sun blows up, it will be cooked, and everything will die. Because life is confined to this planet, there is no way out.
Untill now. What with our science and technology and rockets and genetic-fuckery, we can take life and spread it to other planets, other solar systems.
Mankinds purpose is to inpregnate other worlds. The earth has hit puberty, and we are it's jizum.
We are nothing less than the holy spunk of Gaia herself, friends, and have no-one tell you otherwise.
Davy
But was it Earth we started on, or did we terraform earth, or was it just right for us when we arrived. We lost our history from our previous location, and infected Earth with disease, and increased erosion, fucked it up & moved onto ....
Have we already infected Mars with some form of bacteria? we have at least dumped some alien rubish there, there's also pleanty of alien dust on earth from many meteorites & Asteroids, and water from comets, maybe also some bacteria that survived.
the theory of relativity comes in right here, but the end cause is the final answer, but then what lies beond that? I guess the time gets sucked into the black hole too causing time to start again, but there is also some fragments that weren't sucked into the black hole and time has escaped them, therefore leaving two seperate times existing within the same time, that eventually blend in with each other to create another phenomena that we canot yet comprehend, and the consequence of that is not able to be judged, but the answer will be more simple than we think.
But within that lies the true answer, but to get that answer we need to reach that point in time, so in the mean time it's irrelevant what actually happens, and the true center of the universe is you, and seeing as that is Babloyi, why the hell did you come up with this rubbish without even knowing it.
Hang on while I just refresh my deep understanding of philosophy that I obtained entirely by reading Sophie's World...
Deep things:
One can never know if you are in reality or in a simulation of reality (Matrix, Existenz, 13th floor) or in someone's imagination (Sophie's World) unless the controllers of that reality LET you know. But then, are they really real?
My Sims don't believe I exist so I flooded the whole place and just let one guy live (and all the animals, of course). Didn't help. Then I took direct control of one sim and did all kinds of miracles that could only mean I was controlling a simulation, but they still didn't believe. Cheeky little AIs!
If either time or space is infinite, then all possibilities of our imaginations will exist somewhere in time-space, including the planet where all the lost pens go...
Time-travel will never be realised becuase otherwise there would already be time-travellers all over the place. You can argue that they are just subtle, but since when has an invention once invented been controllable: guns, nuclear weapons, etc. all end up in the "wrong hands" eventually. Ooops, I forgot Eric... need to modify theory
Science dismisses the meta-physical as nonsense, but it is kind of by definition "un-scienceable". So we can't prove or disprove that there is a God (or which one he/she is...)
Faith can achieve both great and terrible things
Other people's point of view will always be at least slightly different from yours. If everybody respected that, the world would be a lot more peaceful. It's hard to do, and the best of us get it wrong sometimes (and I'm far from the best at this).
No-one is perfect.