Discuss about drugs

[lo_res_man]

If you mean the last remark, by me, "What's that got to do with the price of tea in china?" is a phrase that basically asks, what does that have to with what we are discussing? Its figure of speech, and I was rather wrong to use it. I was wondering what discussing  semi-important issues with total strangers all across the world has to do with my complaint against drug use.

[EldKatt]

I was merely remarking on the meaninglessness of "stop whining about pointless things"-type arguments in internet discussions. If we cared about that, we wouldn't be here. Directed at radiowaves, not lo_res_man.

But never mind. Carry on.

[SSH]

As a pragmatist on this issue, banning drugs (or weapons, immigration, alchohol, prostitution or any thing that people REALLY want) just makes criminals rich, since they become the only people who can supply them.

[voh]

But what I don't like about the harder drugs, (aka most drugs illeagal in everywhere but where the dutch come from)

I'm sorry, but what exactly are you implying with this? It sounds like you're saying "hard drugs, which are illegal everywhere but in the Netherlands". If that was what you're saying, then you need to realize that only marijuana and shrooms (for now) are legal here. The rest is just as illegal as they are everywhere else in the western world.

[radiowaves]

This thread was about mushrooms. Now, do you have any real examples supporting your idea of banning hallucigenic mushrooms?

But never mind, you all win, I hope the world is a better place now

[lo_res_man]

As a pragmatist on this issue, banning drugs (or weapons, immigration, alchohol, prostitution or any thing that people REALLY want) just makes criminals rich, since they become the only people who can supply them.

But should the govermint get rich on other peoples addictions. I also don't like govermant run casino's.

'm sorry, but what exactly are you implying with this? It sounds like you're saying "hard drugs, which are illegal everywhere but in the Netherlands". If that was what you're saying, then you need to realize that only marijuana and shrooms (for now) are legal here. The rest is just as illegal as they are everywhere else in the western world.

sorry, didn't know, my mistake. will edit post to comply with new info

[EldKatt]

Well, someone is going to get rich on them. Government or criminals. Or nice people. The possibilities are endless!

[lo_res_man]

i agree, its better. I still don't like it. I think a better argument can be made for legalised prostitution if we take out the pimp factor. These woman (and men) need to be able to report the abuses inflicted on the by sick clients, as well as seek medical treatment without fear of censure. They also should be able to seek out police protection, just like any other citizen.

[SSH]

But should the govermint get rich on other peoples addictions. I also don't like govermant run casino's.

Hmmm, so should addicts contribute to public spending or to criminals... hard choice.

[lo_res_man]

But at least we can try to do something about the criminals. To BAse public works on blood money feels unethical to me. And casinos ARE blood money. Much of the money from gambling comes from problem gamblers, people willing to sacrifice jobs families and lives for their addiction. And these people have a more then twice the normal rate of suicide. To me, that is blood money, and we stain our hands for using it.

[SSH]

Well, it can be used only for the War in Iraq, then, so that blood money is used for blood...

[mchammer]

And casinos ARE blood money. Much of the money from gambling comes from problem gamblers, people willing to sacrifice jobs families and lives for their addiction.

I dont see it like that. Almost every entertaiment has it's problem users: Casinos, junk food (fuck mcdonalds), drugs,alcohol,cigarettes,computers, tv...
We can't ban all this just because there is and will always be people who just cant control themselves and dont understand that one key to good life is moderation.

[lo_res_man]

True enough, but I don't like how certain things like drugs and casinos , the money mostly comes from addicts. Theoretically one can be addicted to anything. I don't say we should ban them, its just that more money should be spent to help those who DO have problems. Who do you know was put off from drinking too much, by the tiny little, "drink responsibly" blurb at the bottom of the screen? or the "Gamble responsibly" blurb on a lotto tickets? Are there councillors in casinos, roving the floor ,trying to help  addicts? Of course not, that would take away from revenue. That's what I hate about drugs, and casinos. Maybe you don't see it like that, and I can accept that, please accept my feelings as well. my father was a porn addict, and he would use it against my mother in exchange for intercourse. Its one of the reasons she left him. Addictions are terrible things, and for a democracy to exploit the weaknesses of its citizens for taxes, is wrong to me. Of course private business is private business, and in the end it amounts to the same thing. But this is more direct.